RHOM-Runway Rivalries & Rented Realities

Wendy (00:01.057)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever. I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:03.595)
I'm Kelly.

Wendy (00:05.401)
So we just finished the Cully Strong Walk, the 5K today, the fifth annual Cully Strong Walk. And we're going to put a link to that in our podcast. So they do work for mental health awareness and suicide prevention. And it's a great cause. And yeah, it's the fifth one we went to.

Kelli (00:09.72)
Fifth Annual.

Kelli (00:29.708)
Yep. And we love doing it.

Wendy (00:31.393)
We do. And we are going to talk today about the Real Housewives of Miami, season seven, episode number two, Miami Takes Milan. We start out with Gertie, Lisa, and Adriana. They meet up and they're talking about how Lisa's walking in the Milan Fashion Week. And also, Larsa's going to be there.

Kelli (00:40.834)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (00:54.158)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (00:57.193)
Lisa talks about that her father just had a heart attack and that she's worried about leaving him, but I thought last week didn't she say He had a stroke

Kelli (01:06.53)
Yes, you did. I'm glad you brought that up because I thought I was going crazy. But he could have had a stroke, been hospitalized, and then had a heart attack after that. Like, it could have been the sequence of events.

Wendy (01:08.545)
Okay. Yeah. I mean, I didn't even bother.

Wendy (01:17.655)
Okay, yeah, all right.

Okay. Yeah, I'm glad that we cleared that up, because I was just like, wait, I thought, okay. So that would explain that. And she's worried about him, which I don't understand. I mean, I do completely understand, because she just got back together with him. They had been estranged for quite some time. And Larsa was asked to walk in the fashion show, because she's very good friends with the designer. But you don't think she's friends with him?

Kelli (01:26.946)
Yes. Yeah.

Kelli (01:43.982)
which is complete bullshit.

I think she's friends with him, I don't think he asked her to walk in it. I think he asked her son to walk in it. Why would she say no to walking in a fashion show?

Wendy (01:56.109)
because she wanted her son to walk in it. And why would he ask Lisa?

Kelli (01:58.574)
in

I'm calling bullshit on Larsa's claim that she was asked to do something and she turned it down.

Wendy (02:04.236)
Okay.

Wendy (02:08.821)
Well, she's supporting her son. She suggested that Preston do it. He's 22. And this is the first thing he's ever done. Like he's never done runway modeling before. So then we find out that Lisa has been modeling since she was younger. And that's actually how she was able to get her A1 visa to come to the United States, because she's from Canada. And this is the second time we've heard of this A1 visa, because we had talked about that's how PK wound up.

Kelli (02:10.946)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (02:31.832)
Yeah.

Wendy (02:38.051)
coming over here. Right? And we'd never... It is an entertainer slash celebrity. Remember we were saying? Right. So I thought that that was very interesting. I was like, wait a second. We heard of this before when PK, we found out that's how PK got his.

Kelli (02:38.776)
that's right. So it's like a work related one.

Kelli (02:48.923)
that's right. Yes.

Kelli (02:54.766)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (02:59.48)
That's right. Can you believe the difference in how Larsa looks now than the first season she was on?

Wendy (03:05.621)
I mean, that's what plastic surgery does.

Kelli (03:07.296)
She really jacked up her face.

Wendy (03:10.827)
Not just her face, her whole body.

Kelli (03:12.876)
Well yeah, but I'm just saying her, mean, to me it wasn't for the better and I'm no beauty queen, but I don't like her. So I feel confident saying that. Thank you. Thank you. Same.

Wendy (03:21.505)
I think you are a beauty queen, so there. Julia and Alexa are working out together, Alexia. They're talking about the party with Lisa and Larsa and the way that they spoke to each other. And Alexia asks Julia how she is with Gertie. And Julia says, she's not good with her, but she doesn't really care.

which I thought that was interesting. know, she said there was.

Kelli (03:53.14)
Yeah. You know, I think probably because her claims are nonsense of why she's beefing with her. I don't really care. It's kind of like, well, then you don't want to talk about it because you know your claims are nonsense.

Wendy (03:57.561)
Yeah.

Wendy (04:06.967)
Yeah, so the claims we now find out about is that she said that a few months prior she was going on this cruise and Martina was supposed to be going with her and Martina had to had an health care issue the morning of the cruise and that she offered to take her spot to take Martina's place. So she's like, you know, Gertie did come with me and then when she got there, she made it all about herself and publicity and her PR.

and she was accusing me of not looking after her properly. I don't know about this whole thing. Like it doesn't make sense to me. I want to hear.

Kelli (04:44.84)
No, we need more clarification on that. It's definitely all about the PR and the publicity, but the the story that Martina couldn't go the day of, I mean, she was being treated for breast cancer. So that's very that's believable. But Gertie saying the day of a mother of two, a wife with a career also being treated for breast cancer, she just on the drop of a dime is like, I'll go with you. I think Gertie was already also supposed to be there.

Wendy (05:15.789)
Listen, I think that that was, it didn't make sense, right? I want to hear Gertie's side of this. Like I feel like we need to hear the other side of this because what she is saying makes no sense at all. Right? So then Julie asked Alexia how she's feeling and she said, cause Julie said she saw that the judge ordered Todd to move the divorce proceedings forward or, you know, he's 30 days to do it or he's going to dismiss it. And...

Kelli (05:18.282)
It doesn't make sense. Yes.

Kelli (05:26.561)
Not at

Wendy (05:45.074)
She says to to Alexia, like, what do you want? And she's like, well, I don't want him to go forward with it. And I was just like, my god, Alexia.

Kelli (05:53.486)
I I know. He's got some hold on her. It's very Louis-esque. It's very Louis-like. It's very interesting how similar Teresa and Alexia's situations are. Not that anybody filed for divorce, which I'm just saying. Doesn't it? It's very similar.

Wendy (05:55.181)
This I f-

Wendy (06:14.997)
It's just, it just, yeah. She's, and then she starts crying and she's like, you know, she feels like the ball's in his court and like she doesn't really have a say in that this is going to show his true colors. And we'll get back to that later because it, yeah. So then they get to Milan, Italy and I thought this was hysterical. So Jodie and Lisa landed. Of course they were on the same flight. mean, Larsa said,

Kelli (06:29.078)
Yeah, I heard dinner, yeah.

Wendy (06:42.531)
there's only one flight out of Miami and she was rushing Preston. So of course they're gonna be on the same flight. There's only one flight out of Miami. So they didn't say hi to each other on the flight and then the car that meets them is picking them both up. Of course they're both going to the same show. They're going to the same hotel. They're gonna send two separate cars.

Kelli (06:48.321)
Of course.

Kelli (07:01.906)
No, and I'm sure nobody's calling that designer and being like, listen, Lisa and Larsa aren't getting along. Can you send two cars? The designer would be like, fuck you, I'm putting on a fashion show. I got other more important things to do. So yeah, you're in the same car. They probably should have expected that.

Wendy (07:16.599)
Right, and so as soon as Preston sees what's going on, he jumps into the front seat and Laura's like, you're leaving me? I was like, good for you, Preston.

Kelli (07:25.464)
Good for him because he was probably like, know exactly what's about to happen and I want no part of it.

Wendy (07:29.461)
Yes. Yes. I mean, he's the only mature one in this bunch, to be quite honest with you.

Kelli (07:34.144)
I did like how Larsa described him. She's like, my other two are like sports fiends and he's like my artsy kid and my music kid and my, I did like that, how she described him, his personality and everything.

Wendy (07:45.241)
Yeah!

Wendy (07:49.003)
Yeah. So they're sitting there facing each other. So not only are they sharing the same vehicle, but Lisa is sitting across from Larsa.

Kelli (08:01.282)
thought it was interesting how they got all of their bags in the back of that vehicle because they all had a shit ton of bags. I'm thinking that's like playing Tetris. Tetra? Tetris? Whatever. Tetris, yeah.

Wendy (08:08.023)
They did.

Yes, they did have a lot of bags. No, I think Tetris, you're right. They did have a lot of bags and I, listen, I thought it was interesting that Larsa has this whole like bench seat to herself and Lisa's sitting there and Larsa says to Lisa, oh, Jodie's going to sit next to you. I'm like, well, where else is he going to sit? You want him to just like, right?

Kelli (08:28.822)
She's like, unless you want to sit next to him. Versus like, I'm all set. It's almost like they don't know how to fight with each other because they've been best friends for so long. It is. It is.

Wendy (08:36.889)
you

Wendy (08:42.657)
It's like so stupid, right? Like this is the stupidest thing I've ever seen. mean, Lisa even said like, this is awkward. Like, yeah, it is.

Kelli (08:53.922)
Yeah, yeah.

Wendy (08:57.369)
So, Larsa says, like, this is Preston's thing and I'm not going to mess it up for him. And then Lisa's like, well, this is kind of mature of us. And Jodie says, yeah, for like 10 minutes we're being mature, right?

Kelli (09:09.004)
Right, because it didn't take long and Larsa brought the party up.

Wendy (09:12.043)
Right, exactly. then...

This is, so then Preston, so Lisa asked Preston if he's ever walked before. And he's like, no. And she's like, okay, well, have you been practicing your walk? And like, Larissa jumps in. He says yes. And Larissa jumps in and like, I haven't seen you practice. mean, right. So then Lisa tells Larissa that she's like being a showbiz mom, which she did not like that. She's like, well, I've birthed a...

Kelli (09:32.831)
Shut up, Laura, so just stay out of it.

Kelli (09:42.124)
No, she didn't.

Wendy (09:44.717)
birth super, I've birthed four superstar children. Okay. And she said to Lisa, you know what you said to me the other day was hurtful. Lisa said, you know what was hurtful is that you came to my boyfriend's party and you said that Jodi's cheap. And no, it wasn't nice. She's like, okay, well.

Kelli (09:50.702)
All right. That's you, but okay.

Kelli (10:06.958)
Yeah.

Wendy (10:12.001)
You can be friends with Marcus then. You choose him, you'll be friends with Marcus. And Larissa says to Jodie, I can't be around someone who's publicly bashing my friends. I get her point on that, but it wasn't Lisa that was around Marcus. It wasn't Lisa that was around Marcus.

Kelli (10:28.365)
Right.

Kelli (10:32.268)
Right, you know, Larsa's like, he's using you to get to me, he's not your friend, which the not your friend part could very well be true, but why would he use Jodie to get to Larsa? Like, unless he was like, unless he was trying to film with Lisa and Jodie, but they had that birthday party for Jodie and he wasn't invited, he wasn't there. So to me, like that showed that Lisa was a good friend.

Wendy (10:36.545)
Right. Right. Right.

Wendy (10:50.787)
I don't think so.

Wendy (10:58.743)
Right. And from when I was gathering from Jodi, it was that it wasn't just Marcus there, was Jodi's friends that were hanging out with Marcus. So what?

Kelli (11:09.139)
I understood it as Lisa and Jodi were going out to dinner and ran into a group of Jodi's friends of which included Marcus.

Wendy (11:16.959)
Yes, that's how I understood it as well. And like you said, Larsa is saying that he's just using you, which again, that's not true. Right, it's not nice. And then Lisa turns around and is like, sorry to Preston. She's like, sorry, you're having to listen to this. And then in her...

Kelli (11:29.889)
No, and it's not nice.

Kelli (11:37.74)
And she kept saying like, shh, like, you know, don't do this in front of your kid.

Wendy (11:40.823)
Right, he's here. Right. Which I agree. I mean, yes, he's an adult, he's 22, but still.

Kelli (11:45.23)
Totally.

But he was probably nervous about the fashion show and in his own head about what he had to do when now he's got, you know, his quack mother in the back, know, starting shit with a camera in his face.

Wendy (11:56.375)
Yep. Yep.

Right. So then Lisa brings up about, you know, she's been dealing with her dad for the last three weeks. He's in ICU and she's like, I don't know if he's dying, if he's not dying. I don't know. And Lars is like, well, then you shouldn't have been here then. Like you should be there. And that was not her place to say. I mean, she's already saying like, you know, and Lisa's like, that's rude.

Kelli (12:17.41)
wasn't her place.

Kelli (12:25.772)
And it is rude because this is one a great opportunity for Lisa. She's been through so much with that scumbag Lenny. Like this is nice for her to have. She just reconciled with her father. Nobody saw, I'm sure if her father had a stroke and a heart attack within the past two weeks, I'm sure this fashion show was booked way before that. She was asked to do this way before that. So, you know, this is a once in a lifetime, not maybe not a once in a lifetime opportunity for her, but something that could open up doors for her where she could become independently.

Wendy (12:32.365)
Yes!

Wendy (12:44.163)
Totally? Right.

Kelli (12:55.436)
financially set up. So yeah, no, she should do it.

Wendy (12:56.735)
Right. Exactly. Right. Right. So I totally agree with Lisa on that. Like that was rude of Laura so she should never said that.

Then we see Gertie's at the doctor's office. I'm kind of glad she kind of explained this a little bit. So she just, she recently had like breast reconstruction surgery to remove the scar tissue. So she was a double D and now she's a big B. And they, yes. I know, right? I mean, you would love to have that done. I know.

Kelli (13:29.26)
That's lovely, by the way. That sounds absolutely lovely.

Kelli (13:36.226)
I would love to be a big B.

Wendy (13:40.309)
She said that they did some fat grafting, I guess, from other parts of her body to kind of like make it right. And again, this is because she has breast cancer. So they were trying to make her whole again. Right. Right. They were trying to make her whole again. And so the doctor comes in and is examining her. she's like, one of her nipples is going in a different direction. And that would bother me. I'm sorry. That would totally bother me. I completely understand.

Kelli (13:50.87)
Yeah. This wasn't elective. Right. This wasn't elective.

Kelli (14:09.218)
Yeah, like I understand her husband's issue. You know, he's not happy about another surgery, Russell, but she does have to feel good about herself. She's been through a lot. So whatever she has to do to feel good about herself. And, and he said to the doctor, like, what are we just going to keep doing this over and over and over again? The doctor was like, that's certainly not the goal, but you know, typically it takes this many surgeries and we're at this many. So.

Wendy (14:29.291)
Right.

Wendy (14:34.529)
Right. Yeah, I mean, I'm glad that he was there. listen, his concern is just for her. He doesn't want, you know, he thinks she's beautiful the way she is. And he is concerned for, you know, every time you go under anesthesia, there's a risk. every time you have surgery, there's a risk. Like there's a lot of risks and he's just concerned. But he will support her in whatever she decides. Right? Yes.

Kelli (14:42.645)
Of course.

Kelli (14:56.877)
Night.

Yeah, that's very clear.

Wendy (15:04.598)
do hope that this is it. I hope for her sake that, you know, that's what she's hoping. Like maybe with this one more and this will get me to where I need to be. But if not, well then I guess we're going to have to go and do the other one.

Kelli (15:16.91)
I mean, maybe you take a break in between and just, cause I'm sure that, you know, I don't know, but I'm sure that it takes your body a certain amount of time to adjust and fall into place basically. So, you know, maybe taking a year off, I don't know how, I don't know how long she went between surgeries, but maybe taking a year off and just seeing how things look after a year and then going back and make sure the cancer is all gone. Like, you know, just give your body some time to heal. And maybe that's where Russell's coming from. Like, why don't we just.

Wendy (15:19.201)
Yeah.

Wendy (15:28.555)
Right. Right.

Wendy (15:40.547)
Right.

Kelli (15:46.69)
you know, take a beat.

Wendy (15:48.353)
Yeah, I definitely think that's probably where he's coming from. Then we see Marisol is talking about getting married. She's with Steve, right? That's her husband. Yeah, so they were married in 2021, but it wasn't a legal marriage. So they never did the formal paperwork. So now they're gonna do it at the courthouse to make it legal. And listen, I think that good for them, you know, like...

Kelli (15:58.37)
Yes, they're having sushi and sake.

Wendy (16:16.289)
If you don't want it to be legal, that's fine. at a certain age and a certain point in your life, there's really a lot of benefits to make it legal.

Kelli (16:23.596)
Yeah. She probably got left a shit ton of money from when her mom passed away though. She might want to be, I mean, this guy seems very nice, but, You know how I feel about that. These poor housewives, I'd be, my guard would be up.

Wendy (16:34.035)
Yeah.

Wendy (16:39.735)
Yeah, my guard would be up too. And she's talking about Alexia with Todd and that she feels like that when Alexia is with Todd that she's a different person. That she's like more stressed off, stressed out. She's a better version of Alexia when Todd is not in the picture. Like she feels like, you know, they're very close. They've been very close for many, many years prior to the show, right? So she knows who Alexia is.

Kelli (17:03.148)
way before the show. Yes.

Wendy (17:09.707)
and I think her points are very valid.

Kelli (17:11.938)
When she was talking about her, she says she's defensive. Todd brings out the worst in her. She's been stressed. She's been difficult. All I kept thinking about was Teresa with Louie, honestly. And you know me, I like to rewatch my New Jersey Housewives. And I watched a couple of episodes from season 10, which is the last season before Louie entered. And she was getting along just fine with Joe and Melissa. I'm not gonna make it about Jersey.

Wendy (17:24.729)
Mm-hmm.

Yes, you do.

Kelli (17:39.16)
But everything Marisol was saying about Alexia, was like, God, the similarities are, and it's just so funny that they're good friends, Alexia and Teresa. But whatever. But I think Marisol's just trying to be a good friend. I mean, even when they were on Watch What Happens Live, she doubled down on all of that Marisol, and Alexia was sitting right next to her saying she still wants to be with him. How funny was John Mayer on?

Wendy (17:46.591)
Yes, yes.

Wendy (18:01.624)
Yeah.

my God, he was so funny. We'll get there, because I have a lot of notes about that one too. So, Larsa says to her son, she, they're like in their hotel room at this point, right? And she's like trying to get her son to see her point of view of what happened in, you know, between her and Lisa. And he's like, listen, that's her business. Like you shouldn't have even gotten involved.

Kelli (18:25.846)
And he's telling her, don't become confrontational.

Wendy (18:28.459)
Yeah, I was like, I really like her son. I really like her son.

Kelli (18:31.49)
Yeah, he's great. More of him on the show.

Wendy (18:35.991)
So the designer's name is Philip Pline. He arrives at Preston's fitting, he's watching him walk. he's giving a little bit of direction. And Loris is talking about how she would do anything for her children. OK, that's every mom in America. That's every mom in the world. We all do anything for our children. I thought it was funny when Preston's getting dressed.

Kelli (18:57.698)
Exactly.

Wendy (19:03.673)
And Philip's like yelling at him, like, don't wear t-shirts under your button down shirt. That's American. I was like, oh my God. I know, this is Milan. And he doesn't like how his shoes are laced up. I was like, oh, that's probably American too.

Kelli (19:10.072)
So American, both Eric and Joe do that.

Kelli (19:20.684)
yeah, yeah yeah yeah. Yes.

How about that little guy Jack, the global ambassador? I don't know if it's a slur. I don't want to say it, but I'm not going to say it.

Wendy (19:29.322)
Yeah, what is that? I mean...

Wendy (19:34.411)
I think he's her little la- like he, first of all, he works for Philip, right? I think he's like, Larsa's connection to Philip, to be quite honest with you, because it seemed like they were pretty close.

Kelli (19:45.25)
Yes, so here's what probably happened. Philip Lyme probably asked Lisa to be in the show. This little Jack reached out to Larsa and Larsa was probably like, get my son in. That's probably exactly what happened.

Wendy (19:58.371)
Mm-hmm.

But do you think that that's how Lisa got in the show? Through Larsa? You think he...

Kelli (20:06.048)
No, think they've got, no, I think Phillip Lyne probably chose Lisa first. And when Larsa got wind of it from little Jack, they didn't want Larsa, but he got her son in.

Wendy (20:19.361)
Okay, that could be. That could be. So Philip says to Lisa, know, where's Blondie? And she's like, you mean Lisa? we're not friends anymore. He said, right, exactly. He said, well, should we throw her out of the show? And Laura's just like, maybe. I was like, what?

Kelli (20:37.326)
Like who says that?

Kelli (20:46.184)
And she said, can I push her down the stairs? Larsa said, can I push her down the stairs about Lisa?

Wendy (20:48.999)
I didn't, I didn't read that.

that's not good. That's not good. Yeah.

Kelli (20:54.146)
That's kind of fucked up.

Wendy (20:59.019)
Okay, so then the next thing we see, we leave Milan, we go back to Miami, and it's Alexia, Julia Marisol, and Kiki are all going out to dinner with Gianni, and Gianni is Alexia's friend from Madrid, and they all know him because he's been around, he, yeah, like he moved to Madrid.

Kelli (21:14.242)
He's been on the show a lot. got her in touch with her second husband, Herman, who had passed away, his supposed lover. Yeah, he's been on the show.

Wendy (21:25.783)
Yes, yes.

And we find out that when the news came out about Todd, he contacted Alexia and flew her over to Madrid so that she could just get out of Miami and, know, which I thought was very nice. Like that he's a good friend. He's a good friend. So then Marisol says to her, like, where is she, where is she with Todd now? And she said, well, the judge is saying he needs to move forward with this or, you know, we're going to have to dismiss it. And the ball's in his court. And everyone at the table is like,

Kelli (21:40.844)
Very nice.

Wendy (21:59.009)
What do mean the ball is in here? Like you need to decide, like what do you want?

Like, this is what blows my mind about her because they are all saying what a strong woman she is and how independent she is and like, what is it that, and I agree with them, like these are all qualities that she has. What is it about him that she just is leaving it up to him? It is so desperate and it is not her, it is not in her character. It really isn't.

Kelli (22:17.815)
Yeah.

Kelli (22:23.713)
I don't know.

Kelli (22:32.568)
I know, I don't know what he has on her, not has on her, but what kind of hold he has over her.

Wendy (22:36.789)
Right, told. Yeah. Yeah, she's saying that, you know, but then she goes on to say that now she thinks that he's playing her. The story was that he liked the show in the beginning, but then he didn't like the way he was seen. Like he didn't see him, like he didn't like the way he saw himself or that the way the public was seeing him. Right. That was like part of the story.

Kelli (23:01.09)
He wants to control his narrative on the show. You're never in control on these shows. The producers are in control. And once they see one thing, they're gonna narrow in on it. And that video he did, it's again, like that video with Louis, like they, you know, made it a big deal. That video with Todd apologizing to Anthony.

Wendy (23:12.985)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (23:29.74)
That's now that's who you are on this show. You're that guy.

Wendy (23:32.491)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So then she says, you know, when they got back together and after therapy, she said to him, I will step down from the show. You are my family. You are more important to me. And Todd's response to that was, well, it's too late already.

Kelli (23:44.332)
I can't believe that.

Kelli (23:52.866)
Yeah, what does that mean? It's too late. It means that he's already painted in this light and it would have been worse for him if she quit the show because it would have made him look even worse. It would have made it look like he forced her to leave the show. He's not gonna like this episode after everything she was saying at the table.

Wendy (23:55.767)
What does that mean?

Wendy (24:09.698)
Yep.

No, no. So Alexia said that I'm realizing it's that he doesn't like the show. It's that he doesn't like the power that it gives me and he doesn't like my friend group. He doesn't like that he does not have control. And I think that's what it comes down to. He doesn't have control. He has control over her, but that's all he has control over. And he is that kind of person.

Who needs control over everything?

Kelli (24:43.158)
It seems it. I mean, her first husband went to jail for being involved with the cartel. Your second husband, very wealthy, you find out he had a lover you never knew about. Your son suffered a traumatic injury and now has special needs as a result. Like you've been through it, Alexia. You can get through this. You've been through it. You're a very, very strong woman. I mean,

Wendy (24:48.941)
Right.

Wendy (25:02.933)
Mm-hmm. Yes. Yeah, you are strong. Absolutely. Absolutely.

Kelli (25:10.838)
And you've done all of this, well, not the first husband, but it came out on the show, what he was involved in and why he went to jail. You've done all of this in the public eye and you're still a fan fave. People still love you. So you don't have to hold on to him. And I'm sure this is what all of her friends are telling.

Wendy (25:30.519)
Yeah, I'm sure that they are. And like you said, you know, we are not big fans of Alexia, but I will not take any of what you just said about her away from her because it's absolutely true. And she is a fan, like a lot of people really like her. So like, you don't need this. You just don't. And then.

Kelli (25:41.878)
Absolutely.

Kelli (25:45.665)
Yeah.

Kelli (25:49.47)
No, don't be a long line of guys waiting to date you, although be careful because they're all probably opportunists. A lot of

Wendy (25:54.805)
Yes. Yeah. And she even said, like, she's like, it's not like I'm, I'm not bashing him. What I'm saying to you is the truth. I'm just telling you the truth. he doesn't give me the security that I need. Like, this is all temporary. And then when she went on to say, I live in your fake rented apartment, I drive your fake rented car, nothing is yours. Nothing is mine. I was like, whoa.

Kelli (26:21.742)
You see.

Wendy (26:23.481)
Did you see the look on their faces? Like Marisol's face and Julia's face? They're just like...

Kelli (26:29.656)
So here's the thing, he obviously doesn't have the money that he claims to. Maybe she doesn't have all that much left either. And maybe that's what the hold is. Maybe she went through the money Herman left her. I mean, we don't know what happened to the magazine. Herman probably had children from a prior marriage. Maybe they're running the magazine. Maybe they gave her a lump sum. And it was like, okay, nice knowing you. He's gone. So now we're good. And maybe she went through it. Maybe it is all financial.

Wendy (26:43.385)
and

Wendy (26:54.328)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (26:59.874)
You'll never know with these housewives, because they always pretend to have more than what they have, most of them.

Wendy (27:05.101)
Well, I did say last week that I really feel like it's all smoke and mirrors. And she just confirmed it. It was all smoke and mirrors, right? And Alexia said, know, this is like why I'm so mad at myself. Like I'm mad at myself that I am weak when it comes to this. Like this isn't who she is.

Kelli (27:08.898)
Yeah.

Kelli (27:13.58)
Right. Yeah.

Kelli (27:27.094)
And maybe it was like a John Jansen, Shannon thing where she paid for everything in the beginning and he did blow through her money and he don't have it now.

Wendy (27:37.337)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (27:39.21)
I hope not. I hope that that's not what happened, but it would make sense. mean, at least that would be a puzzle piece that would kind of put everything together.

Wendy (27:46.251)
It would make sense. then Marisol calls him a NARC, which stands for Narcissist. I never heard that word before.

Kelli (27:52.31)
Me neither, I always thought of anarchism being something else, but...

Wendy (27:55.017)
Yes, me too. Especially in the Miami world, right? But then she goes on to say, you know, Julia was married to a narc and this one was, like, she's telling everyone, you know, all these other people that have been, right, everyone's had a narc. And Alexia has now come to the conclusion that he wants me to file for divorce so that I look like the bad guy. He's been playing me the whole time and...

Kelli (27:59.892)
Exactly. Exactly.

Kelli (28:08.886)
Everybody's had a narc.

Wendy (28:25.505)
If he wants a divorce, let him file. And then they're all like, yeah, yeah. And I'm like, wait, no, no. Like, why did you all jump? no. Just.

Kelli (28:35.19)
Yeah, I know.

Kelli (28:40.372)
So he, so did he file? he didn't, so he filed, but he's, they are divorced. She did say that.

Wendy (28:41.753)
They are divorced. They are divorced. Yes. Yeah, they are divorced. Yeah. So Julia says to Alexi that after what you've told us, like when he left you and how he left Frankie, like every time I see him or I see him out, like that's all I can think about. you know, like.

Kelli (28:59.758)
Absolutely. How could you not? That pork head sitting on the couch.

Wendy (29:03.385)
And then everyone's like, that's right, Frankie, like that's right. And she's like, fuck him, fuck him. Like as soon as Frankie came up, I was like, all right, yeah, now she's got it. But she still didn't have it. It was so quick. was like a second. I was like, oh. So then we go back to Milan. We're back at Fashion Week. It's the day of the show. Lisa is feeling amazing. She looks amazing.

Kelli (29:11.626)
Yeah, yeah. She loses it right away. She loses it within seconds, exactly.

Wendy (29:31.617)
I thought it was sweet that she went over to Preston to kind of see how he was doing, make sure he ate. you know, I think she's, I think she is very sweet. I really do.

Kelli (29:35.692)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (29:42.654)
I do too. So, Larsa should be giving her some grace after what this poor woman just went through with her ex or soon to be ex. And she's still looking after your kid. Like, come on.

Wendy (29:44.194)
I really do.

Wendy (29:54.369)
Right, right. So they, he did amazing. By the way, he was number two.

Kelli (29:59.54)
Larsa's did great on the runway.

Kelli (30:06.732)
Yeah, so he opened the show and Larsa shades Lisa for being number 50.

Wendy (30:10.841)
50, right. And when, yeah.

Kelli (30:14.062)
She's in it, Laura, so you're not. And I don't buy it for a second that she said no.

Wendy (30:18.529)
And as soon as Larsa sees Lisa coming out, she picks up her phone and starts doing selfies. I'm like, come on. Yeah. That's so rude. Yes. He did. Yep.

Kelli (30:26.104)
with that big light with Jack and Jack went right along with it. So F Jack.

Wendy (30:36.547)
So then they go to this after show party. That party looked amazing. you know, we've seen, I'll be honest, we've seen many fashion weeks, like in New York City. Like we've seen New York fashion weeks. We've seen housewives go to these fashion weeks. We've seen them do the runways. I've never seen an after party of a fashion show. Have you?

Kelli (30:42.136)
For sure.

Kelli (30:51.203)
Yeah.

Kelli (30:56.19)
No, but I'll say I have heard that Milan is like, that's like the biggest fashion week.

Wendy (31:02.933)
Okay. All right. I listen that

Kelli (31:06.646)
Like everybody's there. Everybody goes to that one. So I would imagine that the parties have to be pretty top tier.

Wendy (31:09.035)
Okay.

All right, that's.

Wendy (31:15.757)
That's now on my bucket list. I would like to go to Milan for Fashion Week. That's, yeah.

Kelli (31:17.608)
Sure. Yeah. And, and sneak into one of the after parties. I'll work it. I'll, I'll work the catering for you.

Wendy (31:24.107)
Yes, one of those parties, yeah.

there you go. There you go.

Kelli (31:30.702)
Get me in there.

Wendy (31:35.875)
So they're in the after party together. They're trying to like kind of be cordial. And then this guy, I never heard of Fabulous. Do you know who Fabulous is? Okay, okay. So he comes over and he's like trying to squash the beef between the two of them.

Kelli (31:45.378)
He's a rapper. Yeah, yeah. Not that I could name one song, but yes, I've heard of him.

Kelli (31:54.904)
Well, the funny thing is that they're like, let's not talk about it now. Let's just have fun. then Flabulous, a rapper, and they're like, what do you think of this? Well, he actually asked what's going on in the Housewives world. He did ask.

Wendy (31:58.613)
Right, right, right.

Right.

Wendy (32:06.455)
He did, he actually did. He's one that he did. So he's listening to the story and Fabi's like, wait, didn't hang out with your ex. You can't have a beef with her about that. It was her boyfriend.

Kelli (32:23.724)
He totally sided with Lisa.

Wendy (32:26.64)
100%, 100%. And Lisa's like, yeah, yeah, he totally, like, he was on my side. And then you see Larsa in the confessional, oh no, he was totally on my side. I'm like, no, Larsa, no, no, he was not Larsa.

Kelli (32:35.474)
We heard him!

Wendy (32:41.347)
was definitely not on your side. Then we see across the screen it says, the camera shut down for the night, but the tension between Lisa, Larsa, and Jodie didn't.

Kelli (32:53.09)
Well, because before that happens, we do see that Jodie texts Lisa that he was alone and felt left out.

Wendy (33:00.191)
Okay, that is true.

Kelli (33:00.98)
Sorry, pal, you're filming Housewives. Your girlfriend is a housewife. She just walked in a fashion show and she's at an after party. She's working. You're on your own. You're on your own.

Wendy (33:10.263)
Right. And she's working. Right. Right. Yeah.

Kelli (33:17.74)
and then it says the camera's shut down.

Wendy (33:19.789)
Then the camera shut down. And then we see one week later. And this is what we're going to see. was just like a quick snippet of we're gonna see Larsa sitting down with the ladies. I wrote to, I don't know everyone, I wrote to Marisol, Gertie, Alexia. And they're asking like, you know, how was Milan? And she says, well, Jodie started getting crazy and was yelling and.

He doesn't want us talking and I don't know exactly what happens.

Kelli (33:52.984)
So she shows a picture and they're all like, now the picture, the supposed picture that she's speaking about is online now because I think Lisa is trying to do damage control. It's just a picture of him, maybe he has like a surprise. I mean, they're trying, I don't know if she's trying to say that he was like angry or look at his eyes. Honestly, after all of this now, I'm thinking maybe Larsa put the AC thing out.

Wendy (34:05.132)
Okay.

Kelli (34:20.312)
trying to make it like he has a cocaine problem. And now she's showing this picture because her boyfriend actually did get caught doing cocaine on camera. So maybe Lars is the one behind all of this. doesn't seem like there's any validity to it, just like the AC thing, there was no validity to that.

Wendy (34:39.683)
very interesting. So we're going to have to wait and see a little bit, you know, what happens next week.

Kelli (34:44.576)
Yeah, it's just a picture of his face. Like you we know when we do this and we make clips on that for this podcast

The camera catches us, our faces at some crazy times, right? Like we, sometimes we have to change the way the picture will just show up because our faces are all jacked up. It could have just been something like that. Somebody could have just been taken pictures of this guy and found the craziest one they could and sent it to Larsa and been like, here, run with this. And she's like, that could look like he's on cocaine. Let's go with that this season.

Wendy (34:59.832)
Yes.

Wendy (35:04.523)
Yeah. Right. Right.

Wendy (35:17.934)
Yeah.

Wendy (35:21.271)
That's very, possible. Yeah, that's very possible. That's horrible. It's just horrible.

Kelli (35:26.188)
Yeah. It's just a huge accusation when drugs or substance abuse, the same thing with the Valley. Like these are huge accusations you're saying about someone who is a professional. I don't know what Jody does, but I'm sure he has a good career. He's a professional. It's not okay to do that to somebody. If you're concerned about someone's wellbeing because you think that they're abusing a substance, you go to them and talk to them and handle it that way.

Wendy (35:42.072)
Yeah.

Kelli (35:55.532)
You don't publicly put something out that is potentially not true and could really damage them.

Wendy (36:01.239)
Yeah. And there's so much of that going on.

Kelli (36:05.27)
And I don't put that past Larsa at all. She seems like she's a very spiteful person.

Wendy (36:08.073)
No, I don't either. I don't either.

Wendy (36:14.969)
So then on Watch What Happens Live, we have Alexia Marisol and John Mayer is the bartender.

So, John Mayer doesn't watch the show, I guess. Right? He doesn't watch the show. He was a very entertaining bartender.

Kelli (36:28.071)
thank you.

He's I don't think he does.

Kelli (36:36.012)
He's very funny. Every time he's on that, he's very funny because he and Andy are such good friends. Like they play off of each other very well. And he rolls with it, John Mayer. Like he rolls with it as if he does watch the show.

Wendy (36:38.443)
Yes. Right. They really do. They really do.

Wendy (36:48.281)
Right, right. So they started doing some poll questions and the first one was, should Alexia divorce Todd? Yes or no? 99 % said yes. Whose side are you on, Larsa or Lisa? 85 % of the audience was on Lisa's side.

Kelli (37:06.456)
The other 15 % was Loris's family.

Wendy (37:08.555)
Yep. Should Jodi stop being friends with Marcus out of love for Larsa? 54 % said yes. I mean, it wasn't a landslide, but whatever.

Kelli (37:19.992)
mean, they're grown men. I don't think they're, you know, going golfing together. I think if they're in a group of friends, they hang out. like, maybe Lisa should just unfollow him. If it's gonna fix the friendship, just unfollow him. What does Lisa care? But don't expect Jodie to. I don't think Jodie has to.

Wendy (37:25.165)
No.

Right.

Wendy (37:38.009)
Right. Right.

The next one was Larsa ignoring Lisa's runway walk. Was it petty perfect? Was it petty, perfect, or a bit of both? 91 % said that it was petty. It was very petty.

Kelli (37:56.846)
So petty. It was Danielle Staub when Ashley Holmes was walking on the run.

Wendy (38:00.12)
Yeah.

Yes. Who's sorry to you on Gertie or Julia's? 84 % were on Gertie's side.

Yes, these are. Then Alexia said currently her and Todd are not together because Andy asked that question. And then a little bit later on he said, well, when was the last time you were intimate with Todd? And Alexia's like, well, that's an intimate question. And Andy's like, well, like a few months ago? She's like, no, a few days. He goes, well, you just said.

Kelli (38:12.226)
Because these are normal people voting.

Kelli (38:40.908)
You weren't together.

Wendy (38:41.281)
You're not together. And she's like, well, yeah, it's Wednesday today. And Marisol's face, you see Marisol's face? She was just like, ugh.

So Marisol also jumps in. She's like, yeah, I know it changes every day. Like, I don't know unless I ask her. every day it changes whether or not they're together. And then Andy says, like, what are your thoughts seeing your bestie Marisol say everything she had, you her thoughts on Todd? And she said that she appreciated that, which I was glad she said that. She's like, because a bestie should do that.

Kelli (39:17.731)
Yeah, and I honestly believe, unlike other duos on these Housewives shows, I think that Marisol, like we said earlier, and Alexia really are friends, they were friends before the show, and I think that Marisol is the type of friend that's, anything she's saying behind your back, she's saying right to your face. So I believe all of those things she has said to Alexia, her bro.

Wendy (39:35.033)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (39:41.229)
I do too. I do too. And I'll be honest with you, way I'm seeing Marisol, and it's only the second episode this season, I'm actually liking Marisol more than I ever have before.

Kelli (39:51.682)
Me too. I surprised myself often with these shows, but I totally agree with you because I have it. You know what I didn't like though? I didn't like how she treated Dr. Nicole. So now Nicole's off the show. I didn't like the way she treated Dr. Nicole because I was a huge fan of hers. So I agree with you. I like this Marisol.

Wendy (39:53.197)
because

Wendy (39:56.694)
I know because, yeah.

Wendy (40:10.413)
Yeah.

Yes. What else? Then Andy asked her, what about your sons? You know, what do your sons think of Todd? And Alexia said, well, know, Frankie loves everyone. So Frankie loves him. I don't believe what she said about Peter. She said, Peter, you know, you know, they don't butt into my business. You know, I call bullshit on that. Peter has opinions about Todd and they are not positive opinions.

Kelli (40:29.602)
I don't either.

Kelli (40:36.046)
Totally.

Kelli (40:40.802)
And I think if you gave Peter the platform, he'd tell you exactly what he thinks about Todd. Yeah.

Wendy (40:44.629)
I do too. And I do believe that Frankie does love Todd because I believe Frankie does love everyone. And that's why we all love Frankie because Frankie's awesome. Andy asked her if she regretted offering to quit the show for Todd. And the interesting thing was she didn't say, yes, I regret it. mean, ultimately that's what she wound up saying. Like she wouldn't do it again, but she didn't say she regretted it.

Kelli (40:50.658)
I think you're right.

Kelli (41:05.857)
Yeah.

Right, right.

Wendy (41:13.699)
She said she would never do that. She would never do that now.

Kelli (41:18.222)
Thank God, I mean, what are you doing?

Wendy (41:18.275)
He art-

Yeah, exactly. What are you doing? I think he asked her, I didn't write this down though, and I don't know why. I thought he asked her if you regretted, you know, saying all those things about everything being fake. And didn't she say, well, that was the truth. What I said was the truth, right? And again, it's so weird to me that she's like standing by that truth, but yet she's still

Kelli (41:37.218)
Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yes.

Wendy (41:51.255)
going back with him over and over and over again. Why? Right, like you're standing by the truth of that he's not a good guy. He was not, you know, he was playing you. Everything you have is fake, but yet you're still going back to him.

Kelli (41:52.79)
Right, right, so what does he have?

Kelli (42:11.49)
And again, like, I'm sorry people that are probably like, my God, stop. Like, I'm sorry to compare it to Teresa, but Teresa is the type of person, kind of like Luan, how she still married Tom, even though he was a cheater. she, like, Teresa's gonna stay with Louis just out of spite because of her brother, because of this one, because of that one. Alexia doesn't even have that going on in her life. I mean, yeah, Marisol's saying she doesn't like him, she doesn't want you to be with him, but it's not like it's situation like what Teresa has. Like, I just...

Wendy (42:17.163)
you

Kelli (42:40.751)
I don't know what she's doing. I mean, when you're in it, you don't see it as clearly, but you have to watch this back and see it clearly.

Wendy (42:43.959)
I don't know either.

Wendy (42:51.927)
Yeah, and I was thinking, you know, when Andy asked her if you are together now, and she said no, I'm thinking because he saw this episode. Because she got the episode before she left, and this was Wednesday, right? So this was Wednesday, it aired on Wednesday. He probably saw the episode and is like, you know.

Kelli (43:09.964)
Yeah, it aired on Wednesday.

Kelli (43:17.23)
Yeah, now everybody knows I'm broke. Now everybody knows I'm not who I was saying I was.

Wendy (43:20.696)
Right.

Wendy (43:25.003)
I don't know. So now we know we're gonna see all season, this is gonna go on. Because as of Watch What Happens Live, they were on again, off again. Right, even though they are officially divorced. I hope, this is my hope for this whole situation, that him seeing what she said on this episode is enough for it really to be over. So that by the time we get to the reunion,

Kelli (43:35.97)
Yeah, it's still up in the air.

Kelli (43:49.902)
Mm.

Reunion, yeah.

Wendy (43:54.261)
It's gotta really be over. That's what I could see would be the best case scenario for this whole thing to play out. And it's the only way it will play out that way because it's gotta be him that ends it because of what he saw that she said. Because she won't, it's obvious that she won't. Based on everything that she said, she will not do it. She can't do it. It is crazy.

Kelli (44:10.051)
Right.

Kelli (44:15.086)
Right.

Kelli (44:20.94)
Right. It's crazy.

Wendy (44:25.037)
I don't know. So that's how I think this one, gonna have to wait for the damn reunion and we're gonna have to put up with this Todd and Alexia all season and it's gonna annoy the crap out of me. It's only episode two and I'm aggravated. But I'm hoping the new girl comes in maybe next episode. I wanna know, I wanna meet the new girl.

Kelli (44:29.73)
Yeah.

Kelli (44:33.134)
Yeah, because this is what, episode two? my God, I'm very angry at it over this.

Kelli (44:44.29)
Well, I do too, and it seems like she kind of goes after Alexia. I saw a clip where she's like, Alexia, and they're sitting across from each other. She's like kind of making fun of her. Like,

Wendy (44:48.38)
really?

Wendy (44:57.41)
Okay.

Kelli (44:58.316)
Yeah, it's a situation. And this is Dr. Nicole's fiance's ex who's coming on the show.

Wendy (45:06.305)
Yes. All right. Now I'm looking forward to that.

Kelli (45:10.562)
Have you seen her kids, Dr. Nicole?

Wendy (45:13.209)
They're so cute.

Kelli (45:14.718)
my God, they're beautiful. I mean, those two should just keep having babies because they're beautiful.

Wendy (45:17.049)
By the way, do you...

Wendy (45:22.573)
They are beautiful. bet you don't know this, but Dr. Nicole and Dr. Tiffany have a podcast together. Did you start following? just started. There's only a couple episodes. I haven't listened to any of them yet, but I...

Kelli (45:28.737)
I do know.

Kelli (45:33.612)
I haven't either, but I follow them on Instagram. I see the clips.

Wendy (45:37.515)
Yes, me too. Do we? Yes, do we? I hope we will. I will never follow them. If not, we're going to make sure we do. I'm here for this. I love those words, two of my favorites. I love I'm so and the fact that they're actual doctors and we're getting actual like life advice and medical. I saw like their topics. I'm like, gosh, this is going to be good.

Kelli (45:39.276)
That is a duo we needed.

Kelli (45:45.421)
We will.

Kelli (45:49.577)
Absolutely.

Kelli (46:04.45)
Yep, and Dr. Tiffany was from Dallas, right? She was on the last season of Dallas. They gotta bring that back.

Wendy (46:07.779)
Dallas, yes. Yes. I loved Dr. Tiffany, I really did. I loved Dallas, to be honest with you. I loved Dallas.

Kelli (46:14.57)
I did too. I did too. I don't know what happened. I didn't like Harry Doober, but she left, didn't she? Yeah, yeah, I could do without her. But all the other ones I liked, I did not like when Stephanie and Brandi weren't getting along. I did not like that at all.

Wendy (46:22.753)
She had already left. She had already left. mean, and you know.

Wendy (46:33.739)
No, I like them together. I like them as friends. I like Deandra. I like Deandra's mom. I could do without Leanne. I don't need Leanne.

Kelli (46:35.467)
Me too, me too.

Kelli (46:45.122)
She's so kooky.

Wendy (46:48.569)
All right, guess that's it for now. So please subscribe, follow us on YouTube, subscribe on YouTube, give us five star reviews. Until next time, bye.

Kelli (46:53.251)
Yeah.

Kelli (47:01.998)
Bye.