RHOM--Lisa vs. Larsa: The Breakdown & the Breakthrough

Wendy (00:00.994)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever. I'm Wendy. We are talking about Real Housewives of Miami, Season 7, Episode Number 6, Major Red Flags.

Kelli (00:03.935)
I'm Kelly.

Wendy (00:14.87)
we start out, is that right? With the ladies arriving at the Villa Toscana. Yes, the party, the goddess party. And they are walking around and they're saying, they're saying on the mirrors about like what a narcissist is, right? Which is so weird.

Kelli (00:22.966)
Yeah. Yes. Yes.

Kelli (00:37.944)
It's so fucking weird.

Wendy (00:39.502)
It's so weird. really is weird. I mean, and they did bring up the whole, do you remember the season that Nicole started? Someone said, they had the, I think it was Marisol, had the mirror out and said like, who do you trust the least? And it was Dr. Nicole.

Kelli (00:54.541)
Yes.

Yes. The mirror thing was when Dr. Nicole sent Larsa the mirror and it said mirror, mirror on the wall. Who's the something of them all. I forget what she said, but it wasn't nice, but it was true.

Wendy (01:15.95)
that's right. That's right. No. Right. Right. So this, yeah. So.

Kelli (01:24.12)
Yeah, but Marisol did do that. She's at that dinner. I think they were on a trip. And she said, who do you trust the least? And they said, Dr. No.

Wendy (01:32.588)
Yeah, so.

Wendy (01:36.216)
So it seems like, we've been listening to Dr. Nicole's podcast, Scrubs and Stilettos with Dr. Tiffany, and she mentioned that the reason she didn't come back to Miami was because a, she didn't name her, but a part-time housewife hired a PI to follow her and Anthony and.

Kelli (01:45.56)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (02:00.888)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (02:01.634)
to get dirt on them. And she just didn't want any part of that. And I don't blame her one bit. I don't blame her one bit.

Kelli (02:08.542)
me neither. She does not need the money. She doesn't need the fame. She doesn't need any of it. So if you're doing that, then you're, putting her family in danger. You know, anytime you have somebody followed, it's, it becomes an unsafe environment. So why would she do that?

Wendy (02:14.667)
No.

Wendy (02:20.364)
Right, right.

Wendy (02:28.086)
Yeah, it's crazy. Crazy.

Kelli (02:29.676)
Super crazy.

Wendy (02:32.181)
So Alexia thinks it's funny that all the ladies think that this whole narcissist party is about Todd when she really thinks it's for them because she believes that they're all narcissists. did think it was... Yeah, she does. Yes. Right. Right. Because they're narcissists.

Kelli (02:42.166)
Yeah. And she tells them, she drops the bomb on them, that the party's really about them and not Todd. They don't believe her. Exactly. They don't believe her until they have to start playing the game where they have to call each other out for bad behavior. What?

Wendy (02:58.28)
my God, this stupid game. But before the, yeah, before the game happens, I thought it was so funny that Lisa is like doing a full blown photo shoot. Like, and Marisol is taking the pictures of her and that flowers. Listen, that was a great place to be taking pictures. I don't know why nobody else was taking pictures there.

Kelli (03:15.192)
If you don't want someone taking pictures of themselves, don't put a very nicely decorated swing in the middle of the venue. People are gonna wanna take pictures on the swing. Yes.

Wendy (03:21.656)
Flowered swing! Exactly!

I think so, right?

They're like, she doesn't even understand she's supposed to be reading the mirrors. Listen, I don't know whether she understands or she doesn't, but who the heck wants to read the stupid mirrors? That was so dumb.

Kelli (03:46.922)
Yes, yes. So, listened to, I'm in the middle of it. It's a new podcast about Bravo shows and it's two husbands. Have you seen this one? Yes.

Wendy (03:57.432)
Two husbands? No! wait, maybe I have. Okay.

Kelli (04:01.664)
Husbands watching housewives. They are so funny. I I recommend people I recommend and the one husband was like, well, don't you get it? It's like you're looking in the mirror So it's like self-reflection and you're reading these and I was like, I didn't get it either So I'm glad he pointed that out Yeah, that was cute but did you see when they flashed back to the reunion where Andy was like, can we all here? Just admit that we're all narcissists

Wendy (04:22.392)
you

Wendy (04:30.284)
Yes. Yes.

Kelli (04:32.305)
He has said that on numerous reunions to numerous franchises. He includes himself always, Yeah. I have a theory. So Lisa and Stephanie basically hug it out, right? Stephanie apologizes. So, you know, we know that Lisa went on her social media and said she had told the producers that she was gonna be late.

Wendy (04:34.766)
And he includes himself. He includes himself. Yes. Yes, he does.

What's the theory?

Wendy (04:50.006)
Right, Stephanie apologizes, yeah.

Kelli (05:00.396)
They told her, she said, I will get my own transportation and they told her, no, no, no, just go. I have a feeling that they didn't show it, but I have a feeling that Lisa told Stephanie, like, listen, just so you know, production was well aware I was gonna be late. They told me not to worry about it. And I think that that's why they made up so quickly. I mean, I don't think it was that serious anyway. And Lisa clearly didn't give a shit that Stephanie was calling her out, but I think that's what happened.

Wendy (05:18.466)
That could very well be.

Right.

Wendy (05:25.326)
Right.

Wendy (05:29.182)
No, I think that you're probably right. I think that that's probably a good call. So Kiki asks Larsa where she is with Lisa and she said that they, you know, they really need to talk and have a conversation. And then Julia said that Gertie and her spoke and that they had their conversation, but Gertie doesn't seem to be on the same page with that. Did you notice that?

Kelli (05:52.374)
I did notice that Gertie was not really letting Julia talk.

Wendy (05:57.428)
No, no. And as much as I like Gertie, she is a little aggressive. I shouldn't say aggressive. I shouldn't say aggressive.

Kelli (06:03.372)
Yes. It's not aggressive. It's not aggressive. Yes, she's the type of person that thinks if she talks louder, she gets the floor. Like she's gonna talk over you. She's gonna talk over you so you don't get your point out and she gets her point out.

Wendy (06:13.966)
Compassionate? I don't know what the word is.

Wendy (06:26.38)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (06:31.2)
Yeah. I mean, it's not a good look for her.

Kelli (06:35.626)
It's not a good look. This was not a good scene for Gertie.

Wendy (06:38.644)
No, and she doesn't need to be that way either. Like, she doesn't, but whatever.

Kelli (06:43.584)
And I think it is part of her big personality. You she talks very fast, she talks a lot, she talks very loud, she's animated, it's just who she is. But you have to give other people opportunities to speak.

Wendy (06:46.808)
Yeah.

She's animated. Yeah, she's

Wendy (06:59.158)
No, I agree. I totally agree. So then Daniel says that they're to play a game and they each get a red flag and he's going to read a statement and then they're going to go put the red flag in the container of the person that they believe the statement applies to the most. If this is not the dumbest game ever, I don't know what is. So the first question is talking about who's talking about themselves the most.

Kelli (07:15.061)
Not gonna go well.

Wendy (07:27.938)
Lisa gets the most red flags.

Kelli (07:30.142)
know, Gertie put in for herself, and I think Alexia put in for herself.

Wendy (07:36.299)
Okay.

Kelli (07:37.546)
Yeah, two people put in for themselves and I think it was Gertie and Alexia, which I thought was pretty interesting, know, pretty nice.

Wendy (07:42.954)
Yeah. No, yeah, I like that. Then Daniel asked Lisa how she feels about this. Well, how the hell you think she's going to feel about it, Daniel? Seriously. Like, right, right.

Kelli (07:53.174)
Yeah, she feels like it's a witch hunt because it is.

Wendy (07:59.022)
The next.

Kelli (07:59.362)
You know, I'm listening to this guy, Daniel talk, and I'm like, why does he sound so familiar? And then I realized he's from Australia, right? So he sounds just like Jason Stevenson, whose meditation videos I listened to to go to sleep.

Wendy (08:03.01)
I don't like them.

Wendy (08:08.003)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (08:16.002)
my God, that's so funny because he's got the same accent.

Kelli (08:17.688)
I'm like, why am I getting so tired?

It was like hypnosis.

Wendy (08:25.07)
So then the next question was, who is the quickest to take a fence? Lisa gets the most with three flags.

Kelli (08:36.492)
mean, only got three, but quite honestly, think Larsa should have taken that one. Larsa gets so defensive, Larsa will never admit she's wrong. Ever.

Wendy (08:47.274)
Yep. Next was... Listen, none of them do.

Kelli (08:49.504)
I don't think Alexia does either.

Kelli (08:54.248)
None of them do. I just don't think that Lisa should have gotten that one.

Wendy (08:59.618)
The next one was lack of accountability. Lisa gets the most.

Then Julia asks Daniel, how do you move forward with someone who's really hurt you? Daniel said, well, did they apologize? And she said, well, partially. Then Daniel asked, well, who are you referring to? And her response, of course, is Gertie. She said, she hurt me very, very much. She called me horrible names. I want to move past it. He said, well, one of them is time and willingness to rekindle.

Do you want to rekindle the friendship? And then Gertie said, well, this is after I've been physically assaulted and there's too much context to discuss here, which I agree. I I don't know why Julia would have brought this up here, of all places. Like, what was she doing? I seriously.

Kelli (09:53.792)
Right. No, I totally agree. I don't understand why here you literally just broke the pact that you made.

Wendy (10:00.2)
Like this is the, right, right, that you were gonna squash it and we're gonna be done with it. And now, right.

Kelli (10:08.054)
and not discuss it with anybody. Like they said, if anybody asks us, we're just gonna say it's between us. Well, now you're saying it in front of everybody.

Wendy (10:14.058)
Right. Right.

And then the next one is playing the victim. Of course, Larissa gets up and puts her flag in Lisa's.

Kelli (10:28.812)
This is what I don't like though, because everybody else picked Lisa too.

Wendy (10:28.994)
just

Wendy (10:33.378)
Right.

Kelli (10:35.308)
Just like we said last week, does everybody forget that Gertie's going through breast cancer treatment? Does everybody forget that Lisa just lost her father? Like maybe this isn't the time to be choosing Lisa for exhibiting bad behavior all the time.

Wendy (10:45.997)
Right.

Wendy (10:50.242)
Yeah. I mean, I agree. And in the midst of all this, like Lisa and Larsa are still like arguing back and forth. And the women are getting up and putting their flags in Lisa's thing, like while they're arguing. I'm like, are you kidding me?

Kelli (11:06.306)
Yeah, and I don't understand. then they start screaming at each other, right, Lisa and Larsa?

Wendy (11:11.104)
Yeah, mean, yes, they're literally screaming at each other. And Lexi says that she can relate to Lisa also going through a difficult time in her life, but she chooses not to play victim. Lexi, all you do is play victim. She does play victim.

Kelli (11:22.722)
But here's the thing, Alexia, all you do is play victim. And all we've heard about from you this season is about Todd. Lisa has not talked about Lenny one time this season. I mean, she talked about the house, like what he has to, you know, he has to build her the house. So she's talking about her divorce agreement. She's not specifically talking about him. She's not talking about the other woman. She's not, that's all Alexia is doing is talking about Todd.

Wendy (11:34.478)
Right. And that's what she says.

Wendy (11:45.848)
Right.

Wendy (11:49.582)
Right, and Lisa says that, like, listen, I haven't talked about Lenny since Kiki said Lenny, Lenny, Lenny. And she's right, she hadn't talked about it. And then Adriana gets up and says, listen, you guys are having a narcissistic moment right now. Like, no one's taking into consideration that this woman just lost her father. And that, I was so glad that she did that. She was the only one that stood up for her.

Kelli (11:54.582)
Right. Now.

Kelli (12:09.195)
Absolutely.

Yeah, like she said, where's the empathy? And she's right.

Wendy (12:15.062)
Right, she's 100 % right. She really was. So Lisa gets up and she goes to the ladies room and she's crying. course Adriana goes and she follows her and Marisol's like, well everyone was kind of ganging up on her. Well you were too Marisol, like you were right there.

Kelli (12:32.374)
Yeah, and Julia says when we tell her the truth and how we really feel we get punished for it. How is that fair? What?

Wendy (12:40.92)
Yeah.

Kelli (12:42.114)
You're getting punished? How is she punishing you? Julia's a weirdo.

Wendy (12:47.032)
She really is weird because even, and then even Larsa said, well, maybe if you guys were saying all this stuff about me, maybe then I would go home and reflect on it and maybe, you know, figure out that I'm the problem and that I would come back a different person. What? No, Larsa, that would never happen. It would never happen. No, no. And then they cut to all the scenes and they show you every scene that Larsa was slandering all the ladies. And there was, I mean, at least five or six of them.

Kelli (13:02.964)
not with Larsa. That would never ever, ever happen with Larsa.

Kelli (13:12.748)
Yes. Rumors. Yeah, yeah. To Julia, I heard somebody saw you kissing a man the other night. Yeah.

Wendy (13:15.83)
Yes, I was like, yeah, come on, Larsa, really?

Wendy (13:22.594)
Yep, Dr. Nicole, you slept with everyone in the hospital. All the slanderous things she said, and all of them were not true. All of them were not true.

Kelli (13:30.294)
Now none of them are true. Right.

Wendy (13:34.242)
So then, Gertie decides that she's gonna be like the peacemaker. She goes over to Larsa and tells her to sit down with Lisa and ask, now meanwhile, Adriana's sitting there with Lisa, but she makes Adriana get up and tells Larsa to sit down and she wants them to go work this out right now and she's gonna stay there and moderate it. What?

Kelli (13:56.694)
Yeah, she took that very seriously.

Wendy (13:59.574)
I mean, she seriously did, neither one of them wanted her there moderating it.

Kelli (14:04.2)
No, they did not. No, they definitely did not.

Wendy (14:08.206)
They agree that they need to have a conversation is basically how it ends, but this is not the place to do it, right? And I guess then they get on the bus and leave at this point.

Kelli (14:16.065)
Yeah, good call.

Kelli (14:20.524)
Yeah, but first, Gertie goes to mediate, Larsa gets annoyed, and then Alexia is like, okay, well, I guess we'll just leave the girls. Let's go. Like, what? We don't even know where you are right now. You're in like some remote location. Don't just leave them. Let them get on the bus with you.

Wendy (14:28.032)
Right. Exactly.

But.

Exactly.

Wendy (14:45.23)
Yes. Yeah, you're right. She did say that. So they do get on the bus. I guess they all leave. Then we see, okay, Adriana is talking to her dog. I don't know. Kiki's dancing with her daughter, Summer. It was cute. Lisa's doing some sort of machine that's equivalent of doing 20,000 squats.

Kelli (14:59.832)
That was cute.

Kelli (15:08.152)
Tell me where to go. Show me the way. Where is this place in Ocean, Monmouth County area?

Wendy (15:09.806)
I mean, and honestly...

That machine, I mean, her ass looked amazing without those 20,000 squats. What the hell else was gonna do? What else was gonna happen to that ass? Seriously? And can it, does it work on my boobs? Can I put that machine on my boobs?

Kelli (15:22.1)
I don't know.

Well, this is what I'm what or or stomach my stomach.

Wendy (15:29.102)
Yeah, like 20,000 crunches. What machine does 20,000 crunches?

Kelli (15:33.248)
Yes, I think they have those actually. But my thing is, is this just to maintain what Lisa has already accomplished or will this get you to Lisa's ass? Like, you know what I mean?

Wendy (15:45.208)
There's no way that's gonna, it's gotta be a maintenance thing, but I thought she works out all the time.

Kelli (15:51.096)
Well, that's what Jodie said on the two ads. But she does show up late and leaves early at the classes. So for an hour class, she might only be there for 20 minutes.

Wendy (15:53.654)
Right, she works out all the time.

Yes, that's what he said. Yes.

Wendy (16:02.414)
20 minutes is still 20 minutes. She's a tiny girl. How much working out could she have to do? Right? I don't know. Then we see Julie's at home with her dogs and then all of a sudden the social worker shows up because we find out that they're not yet the official parents of Jackson and Luca, that they have to go through the process and they have to have the social worker come and make sure the home environment is good and follow all the steps in the process, right?

Kelli (16:06.56)
Not much. Not much.

Kelli (16:32.172)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (16:34.722)
The social worker asks Julia like what was the hardest moment for her and she said that she really forgot about the diapers. How can you forget about the diapers like seriously?

Kelli (16:41.612)
Hehehehe

Kelli (16:45.516)
wakeups in the middle of the night.

Wendy (16:47.22)
Yep, and her and Martina are splitting it and she's really surprised at how much Martina is spoiling the boys.

Kelli (16:56.588)
I thought it was interesting when the caseworker asked her where the role model was, where the male role model was, right?

Wendy (17:01.102)
I did too. I thought that was very interesting too. And she said, well, her younger brother, but I guess at this point, she really, the younger brother had only met them through FaceTime because she wasn't having anyone over the house because she said, I guess she had seen some sort of trauma response from the kids when she had kind of, I don't know if she, yeah, so.

Kelli (17:28.204)
Like friends over. She says she had friends over and the boy seemed scared.

Wendy (17:31.574)
Right, right. So she, you know, is gonna now slowly start to integrate that. Then we see Stephanie and her mom and dad and husband are out to dinner. Okay, what? This was something.

Kelli (17:48.984)
This was interesting.

Wendy (17:50.574)
This was very interesting. So her parents don't speak English. She said that on Watch What Happens Live, I think it was. I didn't realize. They do not speak English. No. Stephanie is turning 40 this year. Her husband is 65 and her father is 67. And when her father first met him, of course he's going to give him a little bit of a side eye.

Kelli (18:01.452)
They were speaking English. They weren't?

Wendy (18:20.898)
but now her father loves him because he's a very good provider and I believe he's taking care of them too, right?

Kelli (18:31.628)
sure.

Wendy (18:32.395)
Right. So when she was talking about, I don't know where I heard this was, is it on the podcast? She was talking about when she flew to take the dogs to her mother, to pick up the dogs from her mother's house, she's like, well, it's just like if you had children, you would drop your children off at their grandparents' house. Well, I do the same thing with my dogs. And she does it all the time. She does it all the time because it's only 30 minutes. It's only a 30 minute flight. And if I was to drive that,

Kelli (18:54.168)
but on a private jet.

Wendy (19:02.57)
it would be whatever it would be, four hours or whatever the timeframe is. So it's just, you know.

Kelli (19:10.358)
Again, not very environmentally conscious.

Wendy (19:13.518)
Right.

Kelli (19:16.812)
Her parents are gonna be married 50 years though, God bless them.

Wendy (19:19.758)
50 years, yep, good for them. Yeah, I thought that was odd.

Kelli (19:22.533)
How about her saying she has cameras in their house and they don't know?

That's like an invasion of privacy.

Wendy (19:31.928)
Didn't she say it might even be illegal? Didn't she say that? Well, mean, yeah.

Kelli (19:35.672)
Yes, I think it is. I mean, people have nanny cams, but I think you're supposed to tell the people, aren't you? You know, I have a friend who used to babysit and the parents put a nanny cam in like a stuffed animal and didn't tell her and then brought something up to her.

Wendy (19:48.13)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (19:57.098)
And she was like, I'm all set. Thanks, but no thanks. You can find a new babysitter.

Wendy (20:03.403)
Yeah.

Kelli (20:05.6)
And she didn't do anything wrong. It's not like they were bringing it up for that reason. They just made a comment about it, but they had never told her it was in there. And she was like, yeah. So they had been watching it without her knowing. And again, she didn't do anything wrong, but she was like.

Wendy (20:07.916)
Right.

Wendy (20:19.81)
Well, she was just, was she just a babysitter or was she family? She was just a babysitter. I mean, that's what they're for, right? So to make sure, no, no, I would never tell. If I put a camera in, I would never tell the babysitter. No, because then they're gonna act differently. absolutely not. That's the whole point of it.

Kelli (20:25.793)
No, she was a babysitter.

Kelli (20:30.28)
Yeah, but I think you're supposed to tell people, like just so you know.

Kelli (20:40.13)
Really?

I know, but I think isn't it illegal if you don't tell them?

Wendy (20:44.756)
No, absolutely not. It's your house. It's your child. Absolutely not. No, that's not illegal. No, definitely not illegal. Definitely not. I would not tell. I absolutely would not tell. Because then they're going to act differently or they're going to not do it in the room where the camera is. That's the whole point. want to make sure it's your child. It's your child that they're watching. Yeah, no, you don't. Definitely not. No, I definitely would not tell.

Kelli (20:49.825)
I thought it was illegal to do that.

Kelli (21:07.35)
but listen, I get it.

Wendy (21:13.164)
But you know, I have cameras all over my house, but everyone knows I have cameras all over my house. Everyone knows I have cameras all over my house. No, no, I put them right out in the open. So yeah, I did think that that was interesting. mean, they're gonna know now, even if they don't, I mean, there's gonna, well, they'll probably get closed captioning in their language. They'll read the episode.

Kelli (21:15.371)
I know.

Kelli (21:18.892)
Yes, they do. It's not like you're hiding them in a stuffed animal.

Kelli (21:31.51)
Yeah, well not really they don't speak English

Kelli (21:37.046)
Yeah. But it was interesting to find out that they're not on good terms with the sisters either. So I wonder what that's all about. Maybe the sisters are pissed that maybe they kind of took whatever happened, they took Stephanie's side because she's bankrolling them. And the sisters are like, you know, WTF.

Wendy (21:51.256)
They took her side.

Wendy (21:58.988)
Well, I do think it was interesting though. She said that the falling out happened after they came to work for her or the company. And she had bought one sister a Mini Cooper and the other sister a Land Rover. Why does one get a Mini Cooper? I'd be pissed if I got the Mini Cooper.

Kelli (22:16.6)
Isn't that a BMW?

Wendy (22:18.26)
No, I mean, I shouldn't say no. I do think that BMW did buy out Mini Cooper, but it's not a BMW. It's a Mini Cooper.

Kelli (22:27.178)
My sister-in-law have one. mean, those things are nice.

Kelli (22:32.662)
I thought it was a B, I mean.

Wendy (22:34.648)
They didn't used to be. do believe that they did buy them out.

Just like Jaguar bought out Land Rover or Land Rover bought out Jaguar. I'm not sure which was which.

Kelli (22:40.394)
Yeah.

Kelli (22:46.764)
I mean, it's not, it's no schlep, it's just, you know, it's a nice car.

Wendy (22:55.136)
I don't know. I just don't see many Cooper.

Kelli (22:56.472)
Oh, 2025 hardtop two door, 27,000. Yeah, so I guess the Land Rover's more.

Wendy (23:00.17)
Yeah, don't look at Mini Cooper and say luxury car. I'm just saying. I look at Land Rover. Again, I'm not saying it's not nice. I just don't look at it and say luxury car. Like I look at Land Rover and I say luxury car, right?

Kelli (23:05.494)
Yeah. My sister-in-law had one, it was nice.

Yeah.

Kelli (23:15.544)
Yeah, I mean, it's kind of like a utility vehicle, though. It's not like an Escalade. I mean, they're nice, so it can be wrong, but...

Wendy (23:21.454)
no, some of them are, no, some of the Land Rovers are like an escalade.

Kelli (23:29.004)
That's a Range Rover though, no?

Wendy (23:31.81)
So it's under the same umbrella. There's all different Land Rovers. There's Discovery. There are all different models.

Kelli (23:42.272)
Yeah. Well, either way your sister gets you a car, you just be thankful.

Wendy (23:48.236)
Yeah, something must have happened though. Something must have happened. Yeah. But the intention is for them to fix it, that they will all be a complete family. Her husband seems, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I mean, they were in tears. They were in tears over it. I mean, we know, can you imagine? You have three daughters and two of them are not speaking. And you're not speaking to two, and they're twins?

Kelli (23:50.186)
Something definitely happened.

Kelli (24:00.066)
Her dad basically asked her to fix it. Did you catch that?

Kelli (24:06.871)
Yeah.

No.

Kelli (24:13.208)
No, knock on wood.

Bye.

Wendy (24:17.632)
And you know, so she's...

Kelli (24:19.372)
I'm happy that I listened to Teddy, you know, recap this and she felt the same way I did. She was like, I just assumed she was a triplet. I'm like, so did I. When she kept saying she had twin sisters, I said to Gina last week, I'm like, so I guess she's a triplet. And Gina's like, why do you say that? I'm like, she said she has twin sisters. And Gina was like, well, they could be younger or older. And I was like,

Wendy (24:32.706)
Really?

Kelli (24:48.113)
yeah. And Tamara said the same thing. I mean, Teddy said the same thing. I'm like, okay, good, it's not just me.

Wendy (24:49.23)
If she was it.

Wendy (24:56.782)
But Teddy does have a brain tumor. I'm just kidding.

Kelli (24:59.392)
Yes, that is true. That is true.

Mmm.

Wendy (25:05.966)
That's so funny. listen, I did learn a little bit more about her though. She talks about, she met Dr. Nicole after the season was over. Stephanie, she dated Anthony like 20 years ago, a long time ago. There was no.

Kelli (25:22.114)
Stephanie. Okay.

Kelli (25:28.236)
Yeah. Well, I figured out to be because she's been married for so long.

Wendy (25:32.458)
Yeah, so there was no animosity. That was not the reason that Dr. Nicole didn't come back. That just happened to be, it happened to be. And she said when she met Dr. Nicole, she can see, like Anthony has a type, like they're both very similar and they are very similar. They're both tiny, they're both strong personalities, but they're different, like in different ways, right? Also, Stephanie just recently had a boob job after the season.

because she was, you know, kind of, she said to the doctor that she wanted couture boobs and Larson said, don't say that because you won't get, you won't get big enough boobs. And she's like, well, I, so then she called back to the doctor and said, no, I don't want, I want to be able to wear couture clothing, but I, I don't want couture boobs. So I don't know. I don't know what the new boobs look like. She was on watch what happens live, but I heard her say that on a podcast. I have to go back and look and see if we could see them.

Because she dresses very conservatively. She dresses very conservatively. right. I think honestly, I think that one of the things she said was like after, you know, this season with these ladies, like their boobs are everywhere with the exception of Marisol. Marisol is also very conservative in her dress, but all the other ladies, their boobs are in your face all the time. Right. And I could see where if this is what you're surrounded by and you, you know,

Kelli (26:34.402)
She does dress conservative, so it's not like she's not gonna be like pouring out of anything.

Kelli (26:50.134)
Yes she is.

Kelli (26:53.826)
For sure. Yes.

Wendy (27:00.386)
you're kind of self-conscious about smaller ones that maybe you would want to enhance them, right? Next we see Gertie and Russell, they go to the therapist. This is their first time going to couples therapy. I thought that was so brave to do that on camera, to be honest with you. I really did.

Kelli (27:05.495)
Yeah.

Kelli (27:18.36)
Yeah, I mean my god, he looked like he was gonna cry, Russell. You could tell he was about to cry. I can't believe they met in high school. I knew they were together a long time, but I didn't realize they were high school sweethearts.

Wendy (27:22.519)
I love Russell.

Wendy (27:31.214)
They are such a sweet couple. I know, I do too. I do too. And, you know.

Kelli (27:33.772)
I love them.

Wendy (27:44.545)
She keeps saying to him that like, I've traumatized you. And he's like, no, like, don't say that. Like, I just look at you. I'm so proud of you. And you can see that. Like, you can see he just wants, he just wants her to be happy. And he, he's in awe of everything that she's done. And she's amazing. Like, she's amazing. He is the, he's so supportive. I love Russell. I really do. I love them as a couple. I...

Kelli (27:55.608)
So sweet.

Kelli (28:02.252)
Yeah. Yeah.

Me too. He's the number one guy in the group.

Wendy (28:11.638)
I give him so much credit for doing this on camera, especially the first time. Like how many men do you know that are gonna go to couples therapy on this show? Seriously, there's not another, I mean, certainly not in Miami.

Kelli (28:15.735)
Yeah.

Kelli (28:22.712)
Right.

Right.

Kelli (28:29.546)
No. And you know, she said she came to Miami when she was nine with her dad and he only brought her and her brother, her other five siblings stayed home. Did you catch where she said she was from?

Wendy (28:44.494)
She did say she was traumatized. So... You've been... Okay.

dealt with a lot of trauma that she's never dealt with, age nine, she's one of seven, stay in France. They got to stay in France. Yeah, France.

Kelli (29:00.92)
France okay, so then her parents bring I guess she and her brother to a cousin's house and They say they're gonna go go get the siblings and they don't come back for three months At nine you're gonna remember that that's not like four where you're not gonna remember And that for you might still remember something but not like nine

Wendy (29:13.154)
Yep. Absolutely. Absolutely.

Wendy (29:23.928)
But it actually explains, because that's why Gertie, she's like, that's why I get triggered when she feels excluded. That whole thing with the dinner that she was excluded from, if she's not included, she feels like she's, I mean, these are major traumas that have never been dealt with. She definitely needs her own therapist. She needs to be working through these things. And Russell is there to,

Kelli (29:42.22)
Yes. Right.

Kelli (29:49.558)
Yes, for sure.

Wendy (29:54.146)
to root her on and to be her, he's always been there for her. And he knows the trauma she's been through. Like he's always been there. So listen, like I said, I give him a lot of credit for doing this on camera. Because I know he's not getting paid to do it. And although, you know what, maybe he is. Who was it that said?

Kelli (29:57.846)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Kelli (30:08.813)
Yeah.

No. No.

Wendy (30:18.164)
One of the husbands came in and got the men money.

Kelli (30:23.928)
in Miami or in the Housewives?

Wendy (30:26.894)
I think it was, was it Miami?

Wendy (30:33.43)
I don't remember now.

Kelli (30:34.904)
whose husbands are on.

Wendy (30:37.322)
One of the housewives said, this husband came in. I cannot remember. All right, I'll have to give us some thought. One of the housewives' husbands came in and got the men money and they continued to get money because of this husband. And I cannot remember which one. So it's gotta be one that we're watching now.

Not OC.

This gotta be Miami.

It's not Todd. No. No, it definitely wasn't Todd. It definitely was not Todd.

Kelli (31:17.432)
I was thinking maybe it was time.

Kelli (31:22.552)
Was it Anthony? I mean, he's a lawyer. He could have came in and been like, listen.

Wendy (31:33.202)
No, I don't think it was Anthony. All right, I'm gonna have to give this some thought. The problem is I listen to too many housewives things and they won't get jumbled in my brain.

Kelli (31:42.808)
I totally agree. And then if you watch the show, watch what happens live and the after show, you're like, I don't remember where I heard this.

Wendy (31:49.812)
Right. Exactly. So then we see Larsa and Lisa meet up.

Lisa sits down and she admits that she actually wasn't looking forward to this and Larsa seems surprised. They said they've been having crazy issues since the summer. Larsa said she's never been thrown out of someone's house in her life. And Lisa said, well, I've never been cursed at in my own house before. So Larsa says to Lisa, Marcus said, you're the reason why the paparazzi took the photo of me in the south of France. that,

So this is what the fight was about in Milan, because Jody said that. And I did not know that. We didn't know that that's what the fight was about in Milan, right? We did not know that.

Kelli (32:33.516)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (32:40.354)
Mm-mm. No, no, definitely not.

Wendy (32:44.564)
So I was like, are, okay. So she's like, what am I, the CIA? Like she didn't know where Marcus was. How could she be the reason that that popper, like she had nothing to do with that. I mean, that I will give her. That makes no sense. It makes no sense.

Kelli (32:57.112)
Yeah, it's... No way.

Wendy (33:03.256)
Then Larsa said, Lisa said, well, the paparazzi guy told us that. What paparazzi guy? What, the picture's taken, it gets, and then what? The paparazzi guy calls you and says, come on, Lisa, seriously?

Kelli (33:16.918)
Right. Yeah, that was a bunch of BS.

Wendy (33:21.102)
Lisa said, well,

I'm trying to deescalate this. And she said, well, I'm just trying to be a better friend.

Larissa says, well, I'm not the only one who saw all these red flags. Like it wasn't just me. And Lisa says, well, that was a complete dog pile. And it was, I agree. Larissa said, well, this is the truth. Why do you have trouble dealing with the truth? Lisa's like, this is insane. And she gets up and she says she's gonna use the bathroom.

Kelli (33:49.058)
That's because Lars has said nobody likes you in this group.

Wendy (33:52.374)
Right, she said, nobody likes you in this group. And Lisa, it really is. Like you're not invited to my birthday party and nobody likes you. Right, so Lisa gets up to go to the bathroom and she's calling Alexia and Alexia is like, that's not true. know, Lars is sitting at the table and she's like saying that, you know, nobody, everybody in the group, and Alexia is like, no, that's not true. Did you pick this up?

Kelli (33:54.978)
That's like such a middle school thing to say, by the way.

Kelli (34:03.101)
and you can sit with us.

Kelli (34:19.948)
Isn't it interesting that she called Alexia though when I was watching that I was like maybe she is the head bitch in charge.

Wendy (34:25.738)
Yeah, I did think it was interesting, but I also thought it was interesting that they show Larsa sitting back at the table watching a video where Trump is saying an African American or Hispanic that votes for Kamala, you have to have your head examined. Can you believe that they posted that they put that in the episode? I was like, you have got to be kidding me. Seriously?

Kelli (34:42.444)
I can't believe that they showed that.

Kelli (34:47.2)
And she did not look offended at all, by the way.

Wendy (34:52.397)
No, she did not. No, she did not.

And then the whole time, that was crazy, the whole time Lisa's talking to Alexia in the bathroom, they keep showing the stall in the bathroom with someone in it while she's on the phone crying. Did you see that?

Kelli (34:57.624)
That was crazy.

Kelli (35:08.362)
I didn't notice somebody was in the stall.

Wendy (35:10.082)
They keep showing you the stall and they just show you like that there's legs like in the stall. And then they kept showing it to you. was like, why are they? Somebody was in there. This whole time she's on the phone crying to Alexia and the camera people are in there.

Kelli (35:18.2)
So somebody was in there.

Kelli (35:26.868)
my god.

Wendy (35:28.482)
Somebody's in there.

Kelli (35:30.249)
Ugh.

Wendy (35:32.886)
And then she's still talking to Alexia. And then they show another clip with Laura says she's watching another video about style trends. They had to throw that one in because they put the other one in and they couldn't just put one, right? So they had to put another one in. I was like, come on. So then Lisa's sitting down and she's done in the bathroom. She's sitting down in the restaurant, still on speakerphone. And some guy, the guy is like, you you're being a little loud.

Kelli (35:46.914)
Yes. Yes.

Kelli (35:59.032)
She tells her to go outside.

Wendy (36:00.074)
Go outside.

is going on?

Kelli (36:05.016)
She's like, I'm so sorry. she walks, like, instead of being like, all right, you know what, Alexi, I gotta go, I gotta go back out there. She's like, I'm so sorry. And proceeds outside and still yells the night away.

Wendy (36:15.466)
Right.

Wendy (36:20.142)
All right, then Alexia's like, listen, this is just between you two, like just go, go talk it out. So Larissa sits down and says, listen, I don't know what to say, I'm really hurt, Lisa sits down, I don't know what to say, I'm really hurt, and I think that's what you want it. And she's like, no, I'm just telling you that you need to be a better friend. And I do think at this point, like Larissa's watched all the videos and she's like, can we just put a pin in this? Like, I just wanna move forward with you. Like we used to have fun, I'm just telling you you need to be a better friend. I love you.

You could see that Lars is trying to wrap it up, right? At least that's what I thought. She's like, I'm sorry I came to Jodi's party and I called you a bitch. And she's like, you I'm sorry that like, you don't feel like I was there for you when you lost your dad.

Kelli (36:53.687)
Bye. Bye.

Wendy (37:09.09)
She said, like, can you take some responsibility to Lisa? And Lisa's like, well, yeah. In hindsight, I'm sorry that I didn't know. I wish I could, you know, I didn't know what your feelings were. I wish I could have known. Like, she's not really taking responsibility. Lisa's not. She's saying, I'm sorry I didn't know what you were feeling. What?

Kelli (37:29.784)
Probably she meant that she didn't know that Larsa was mad about the paparazzi thing, right? Cause she did seem like a little like, well, that's what, I mean, she said that's what the paparazzi told us, which you're right, makes no sense. But I thought that's what she meant. Like I didn't know that you were so pissed about that.

Wendy (37:42.522)
Right. Right, it makes no sense.

Wendy (37:50.328)
So then she's like, listen, I think we both just need to do a better job of communicating. And Loris is like, yeah, you should be able to sit down and call your friends and they should have your back. And Lisa says, listen, I don't want to be fighting with you. I want to go back. Can we be best friends again? Lisa's like, well, I think maybe we need couples therapy, which I think that they do actually. Yeah. No.

Kelli (38:11.628)
Yeah, I don't think best friends is, you're not jumping right back into best friends.

Wendy (38:15.572)
So then they hug each other and they both agree like they don't want to fight anymore with each other. But Larsa was on two tees today and Teddy was kind of grilling Larsa because you know, Tamar's friends with Larsa. So Tamar kind of protects her. But I will say this, Larsa contradicted a lot of things that Lisa said. And

Kelli (38:32.361)
Right, so she's not gonna grill her.

Wendy (38:43.206)
I'm actually now starting to believe Larsa. you have to listen to it. Again, I'm not a Larsa fan. I'm really not. I'm not. But Lisa is moving in a weird way. I think that there's some validity to what Larsa is saying. I do. So I think you listen to it and let me know what you think. Like I said, Teddy didn't let her get off easy. She, you know, she...

Kelli (38:47.082)
Really?

Kelli (38:59.992)
Okay, I'll have to listen to it.

Wendy (39:10.626)
was really grilling her. can't remember specifically what she said.

Wendy (39:19.118)
I can't remember. And I just listened to it today. It's just my brain.

Kelli (39:23.04)
It's again, because we listen to so much and we watch so much. It's really, it's hard to keep track.

Wendy (39:25.814)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (39:31.822)
It is hard to keep track. it gives me another perspective though, because you see one thing with your own two eyes, what they show us, what the producers show us, and then you hear them talk about it in a different way with different people, even like the whole Stephanie thing, like the fact that she met with Dr. Nicole and Andy even said, would you be on the show with her? She's like, yeah, they wanna bring her back?

Kelli (39:40.64)
Right.

Kelli (39:56.726)
Yeah. And I don't think Nicole would have a problem with it, right?

Wendy (39:59.79)
No, I wouldn't imagine she would. don't think Dr. Nicole would go on because of Marisol. Because I'm sure Marisol is the one who hired the private investigator. I mean, it couldn't be anybody else.

Kelli (40:09.208)
Absolutely, it had to be Marisol. Kiki's not gonna do it. What does Kiki care? And who's the other friend Adriana? She's not gonna do that.

Wendy (40:16.756)
No, no, they're not going to do that. I do think I don't. I think it was definitely Marisol. I do think that Alexia is the HBIC. I do. I do. And Marisol's her little minion.

Kelli (40:21.022)
Adriana might. I still think it was Marisol.

Kelli (40:32.78)
Yes, that is true.

Wendy (40:35.022)
I don't know. I think that, I don't know, we'll have to wait and see. Supposedly, it gets really dicey based on what Stephanie said on Watch What Happens Live. Right now, she's okay with all the women, but I think that her and Alexia have like a big blowout.

Kelli (40:55.992)
They show a scene of her going at Alexia. How about what Martina said on social media about surrogacy? Did we talk about this?

Wendy (40:58.466)
Yeah.

Wendy (41:05.75)
Yeah, we kind of mentioned it. they asked Larsa about that. Teddy and Tamara asked Larsa about that. And Larsa's like, well, I don't, like, I didn't really see that. And like, what was it in reference to? Like, was she maybe talking about like when women in their twenties do it so that their bodies are? And Teddy's like, it doesn't matter what, like, there's no context that that is okay to say. And she really, listen,

Kelli (41:27.745)
Right, it doesn't matter.

Wendy (41:34.094)
I give her credit. She really didn't throw her under the bus because again, she doesn't, it's not her place to do that. It's really not. mean, Martina did it herself by putting that out there. And Tamara's like, well, when was it? And Ted is like, it was a couple of days ago. And she's like, like Ted, Ted, Tamara didn't know about it. Ted is the one who brought it up. So I'm glad that they did ask her about it. And it's going to come up. It's definitely going to come up with the reunion. It's definitely going come up with the reunion.

Kelli (41:40.694)
No, right.

Kelli (41:45.111)
short.

Kelli (41:58.348)
Absolutely.

Wendy (42:02.444)
And I'd love to hear what Martina has to say about it. Like what, who does she think she is? Yeah. Right. Yeah, I do too. I do too.

Kelli (42:06.028)
Yeah, I wanna see him ask Martina. I don't wanna see him ask Julia. I wanna see him ask Martina. Because she likes being on the show. We've talked about this, so. Here's the negative sides of being on the show. You say something stupid on social media, now you got an answer for it.

Wendy (42:15.657)
Mm-hmm. Yes,

Yeah.

Yes, you do. You do. yeah, I'm excited to see what's happened. I like the fact that we have a new housewife in the mix.

Kelli (42:35.896)
She bothered me a lot less this episode, probably because she wasn't talking about money. Although she did say when they were sitting there playing the game, she's like, all I was doing was sitting there thinking, how can I make money right now? How could I make money? So you know what? That's annoying. I take it back. She did annoy me.

Wendy (42:50.274)
So Teddy did say that she didn't like that that's all that Stephanie had to talk about was her possessions and money and Birkins and Beggs. She's like, I had a Birkin. I don't even have any. I don't ever want to talk about Birkins again, Teddy said. And Lars is like, well, all the other women, they talk about their families and their kids. Working is really important to her. OK, so then you talk about, right, right, she doesn't. She's got her dogs. She doesn't have children.

Kelli (43:13.056)
Yeah, she doesn't have children, so that makes sense.

Yeah, that makes sense.

Wendy (43:20.118)
I mean, I don't know that that's an excuse to talk about material things, but I don't know. Maybe, I don't know. We'll have to wait and see. But Larsa said that she, you know, she again maintained, this is what Teddy said to her. She said, you know, there's been things said about Stephanie that she was the assistant. That's how she met. And I don't want that, you know, if that's, if that's,

Kelli (43:27.35)
Yeah.

Wendy (43:48.982)
If that's the truth, I want to know that. Like that's not what was said on the show. And Lars was like, well, I met her through Carolyn Stansberry about a year and a half prior to us filming. And she's just a really great girl and I have really good time with her. And I know she works very hard. She didn't say, she wouldn't confirm or deny whether or not she was the assistant.

Kelli (44:10.968)
she probably doesn't know if it's true or not. You know what I mean? Like, do you think they sat down and she was like, so by the way, I met my husband because I was his wife's assistant. You know what I mean? It probably didn't come up in conversation, so Lorsa probably doesn't even know.

Wendy (44:13.698)
She probably doesn't. She probably doesn't.

Wendy (44:21.238)
Right. Right.

Wendy (44:27.65)
Right, did like that Teddy did ask the question though. I did.

Kelli (44:30.488)
I'm happy to hear that. I'll definitely listen to that. Because I hate when I listen to them and they don't ask what you want to know.

Wendy (44:40.172)
Yeah, so I want them to have Stephanie on and have her ask Stephanie the question.

Kelli (44:45.292)
Yes. Yes. Andy didn't ask her on Watch What Happens Live. He's the worst.

Wendy (44:48.152)
Maybe it was, No.

No, but I don't know if it had come out yet at that point. Because I, you know, I think it was like, wasn't it after her first?

Kelli (44:58.808)
Yeah.

Kelli (45:03.522)
When was she on? Was she on this week or last week?

Wendy (45:06.422)
She was on last week.

Kelli (45:07.936)
Yeah, so it hadn't come out yet. I don't think it had come out yet because it was her. That was her first. Yeah.

Wendy (45:11.086)
Her first week, yeah, I don't think it had come out. I don't think it had come out yet. So, you know, there wasn't a place for him to ask it.

Kelli (45:16.3)
Night.

Kelli (45:19.596)
But I mean, we heard like his ex-wife and children don't even speak to him.

Wendy (45:23.956)
Yeah, we did hear that. That's the podcast she was on. You know the virtual reality with those two guys, the page six? That's the podcast she was on. You'll have to listen to that. I may have to re-listen to it so I can remember what the heck happened.

Kelli (45:30.996)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Okay. Yeah.

Wendy (45:45.166)
Alright, so that's it for Miami. We'll have to wait and see what happens next week. Thank you for watching and listening. Please subscribe and give us five star reviews. Bye!

Kelli (45:49.794)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (45:55.138)
Bye.