RHOM-Julia vs. Adriana: A Friendship on the Brink

Wendy (00:01.954)
Welcome to We Wine Whenever, I'm Wendy. We are talking about Real Housewives of Miami, season seven, episode number 16, The Art of Arguing. Yeah, I think that sums it up.

Kelli (00:04.429)
I'm Kelly.

Kelli (00:16.098)
Yeah, and so next week is the season finale. I think we heard though that there are three parts to the reunion.

Wendy (00:19.211)
Yes.

Wendy (00:23.52)
I didn't know that, but it doesn't surprise me. That seems to be their formula lately.

Kelli (00:28.506)
I know, I don't feel like we normally get that many with Miami, whatever, we'll see. We'll see, yeah.

Wendy (00:33.678)
Yeah, we'll have to wait and see. So we start out and it's Larsa's moving day. And Adriana is talking about Art Basel. It is the biggest international contemporary art fair in the world. Okay, I believe you. Right? 90,000 people come in for one week, like to Miami.

Kelli (00:54.518)
Mm-hmm. She would know. She would know.

Kelli (01:02.884)
To Miami. Right.

Wendy (01:04.056)
for this art Basel. Adriana has been working in the art world for 20 years. She even worked with, I forgot this, with Martina and gave her a solo show. So now she's working with this new emerging artist. He's from Britain, his name is Chris Rivers. So she's bringing him to Miami to show his art at this exhibit.

Kelli (01:07.098)
I have to ask my niece if she knows anything about it.

Kelli (01:17.849)
Yeah.

Wendy (01:32.182)
I didn't realize like that whole, end of this show is her whole, she's planned this whole thing. Like it was her money that went into this that planned that exhibit. Like that was a big deal. Like she's no joke. Adriana's no joke.

Kelli (01:48.126)
No, she's definitely no joke. mean, it's just amazing how she behaved at this event after putting all her money into it. But we'll get there. We'll get there.

Wendy (01:55.872)
Yeah, yep, Kiki's getting her hair and makeup done for a photo shoot and her dad is there. Kiki says she wants his face to be like, wow. I think his face is like, wow. And honestly, I'm sick of this.

Kelli (02:11.278)
I think he's a very stoic man, but you can see that he's very proud of her.

Wendy (02:16.418)
Yes, yes, but every episode do we have to see him being proud of her? Like this.

Kelli (02:20.824)
Yeah, like this is what she's got. This is what she's running with.

Wendy (02:23.854)
I'm sick of it. I'm just sick of it. I really am.

Kelli (02:25.708)
I know. And I think he's proud of her. So I think if that's really what she's looking for and it's not just a storyline, you got it, Kiki, you got it. He's proud of you. We can see it.

Wendy (02:37.196)
Right, right. No, I get that. But again, do we have to see him almost every episode, like watching her do her thing and like being proud of her? Like it is, I'm glad that he's proud of her. I'm glad that she's able to, you know, do this with him and he's, you know, but all right, I've got that message.

Kelli (02:58.468)
Well, I also want to know, is modeling equivalent to prostitution in Haiti? Can somebody please answer this for us? Cause that sounds pretty wild.

Wendy (03:04.155)
I think.

I think, I don't think it actually is. I just think their perception, because she did make the other comment, which she's always made, is that people in Haiti think that if you're a model, you're walking around naked. So I think it has to do more with the nudity. And they're not walking around naked. That's not what modeling is. I just think it's, yeah.

Kelli (03:20.477)
like religion or.

Okay.

Kelli (03:30.458)
especially now, I think that there are more...

rules and regulations that are followed as opposed to like the 70s and probably the 80s and prior to that.

Wendy (03:37.803)
Yes.

Yeah. I mean, it was a great photo shoot. We got to see the private plane. She was in the hangar. She looked gorgeous as she always did. He was there. Okay. But we've already seen this like four or five times.

Kelli (03:48.867)
Yeah.

Kelli (03:53.036)
I do like seeing her photo shoots though. I do like seeing that. But you're right, like we can't, you know, we get it and your father is proud of you. I think he's made that clear.

Wendy (03:57.526)
Yeah, yeah, I, yeah, right. Right. So then we go back to Larsa's new home and this guy named Wisby was there. He's a conceptual artist and he dropped off this giant green, which I thought looked like a gummy bear. And then I read the sign it was holding. It was a holding a sign that said Department of Corrections, New York, New York.

with the date June 7, 07, and then bear, gummy, like the location. I don't know what this is. I mean, it is a giant green gummy bear holding a sign. Okay. It's art. All right. The only thing that's done in her new house though is her kitchen. The living room is under construction. The bedrooms under, the backyards, everything's under construction.

Kelli (04:44.44)
It's art. It's art.

Wendy (04:57.96)
but she's going to spend her first night there and

Kelli (05:00.566)
and she invites Stephanie and Alexia over, like it was like a pajama thing, but they weren't sleeping over, right?

Wendy (05:06.382)
I would hope not. mean, how could they? Like the bedroom wasn't done. Like were they sleeping in the kitchen? The only done room? I would think not. I don't know. I don't know. And there's no furniture. There's no furniture. And the house, we find out the house cost 5.7 million. I mean, I'm sure it's gonna be gorgeous when it's done, but it's still not done. Cause she was on Watch What Happens Live and it's still not done. Yeah, she...

Kelli (05:08.218)
Right.

Bye.

Kelli (05:14.554)
Maybe.

Kelli (05:27.578)
God bless, for sure.

Kelli (05:32.803)
really?

I didn't get a chance to watch that.

Wendy (05:35.946)
She, yeah, her plan was, well, she thought that like if, I mean, Andy asked her this, like, did you think like if you moved in that would like motivate the builder to like move it, you know, move it along quicker? And she's like, well, yeah, but it's still not done. I'm like, well, that didn't work. It did not work.

Kelli (05:50.267)
I wonder how she got like a CEO to stay there. I guess. Yeah, probably. Right, right.

Wendy (05:55.668)
She probably didn't. You can't get a CO. You cannot get a CO. You can't. You can't. And she's like, I'm just miserable there. Like, it's just craziness. Not that she was miserable. She's like, I'm like living in craziness. I'm like, well, you did it to yourself. But Lars is talking about her kids, you know, with Alexia and Stephanie that, you know, her kids are mostly in LA. So this is really her house. I mean, they may come visit, but, you know, they're not going to be staying. Like, this isn't going to be their home.

Kelli (06:07.33)
Right. Yeah, yeah.

Kelli (06:18.425)
Yeah.

Wendy (06:25.347)
Kelli (06:25.466)
like how they show the pictures of her daughter. Her daughter really is beautiful. And you know what I was thinking? Her kids do seem solid. You never hear about them in the media. They seem focused. I think she said two of her boys are gonna try to get into the, or one of her boys already in the NBA, and the other one's gonna try to get in. What does she have, four kids? The other one's modeling. Where is he one of, yeah, and then her daughter, her daughter's beautiful.

Wendy (06:43.144)
One's in. Yes. Yes.

Wendy (06:50.552)
Yep.

Kelli (06:54.392)
You know, listen, I give credit where credit's due. She's a good mom, Scottie's a good dad, they raise good kids. So, God bless.

Wendy (07:01.26)
Yeah, I agree, They, Larsis says to Alexia, you know, like what's going on with, you know, you and Todd. And she's like, well, you know, they're still dating, they're having fun. And Larsis said, well, he's gonna bamboozle you. And like, she said, yep, that's what she said. And she's, I think it passed at this point, right?

Kelli (07:20.634)
because that deadline date's coming up.

Kelli (07:26.678)
Not when they were filming this, she gave a date, it was approaching. Because I think it's like Christmas time and then I think the date she gave was like January something.

Wendy (07:29.707)
Right. Right.

Wendy (07:36.182)
Yeah, she, Alexia admits that she has given him a lot of power. Like she's left, you know, she loves him. She's made it very clear.

Kelli (07:44.984)
She's leading with her heart and not her head, which typically women do.

Wendy (07:48.48)
Right. It's... Well, I don't think I... I mean, I some women do.

Kelli (07:56.376)
when he's like, not me.

Wendy (07:57.578)
Not me. Then again, I was a man in another life, so there's that.

Kelli (08:00.558)
That's right, you are.

cousin Gina texted me. She said, have to call me about the third eye. Must be a family thing.

Wendy (08:08.84)
okay. I guess so. Then we see Julie's at her house with the boys and they're packing up gifts to send to the girls, her daughters Victoria and Emma, because they're not gonna be there for Christmas. But we find out that during Thanksgiving, she had a very long conversation with Emma and that sort of changed things for her. So hopefully they will both come in January for Russian Christmas.

Kelli (08:37.668)
Did you catch the comment that she made that they finally realized there's enough for everyone? Did you catch that?

Wendy (08:47.148)
I didn't catch that. I did not catch that. what I did think was odd was when she was explaining this to Martina, she said, you know, like the girls now, like they get it, but they wish that we would have adopted when they were still around so they could have been a part of this family. And Martina's like, you know, they would have found another reason to complain. Like it's just because they're not getting their way.

Kelli (09:14.894)
Yes, she doesn't think that that's true, but I think that that's a reasonable thing to feel.

Wendy (09:22.39)
I do too. I do too. But I don't

Kelli (09:25.078)
I thought Martina's reaction to that was odd.

Wendy (09:28.266)
Yeah, she thinks that the girls are trying to control the situation. And I don't know if that's because I don't think Martina has any biological children of her own or has any children of her own, right? So I don't know that she has that nurturing motherly nature to kind of understand it. Do you know what I'm saying?

Kelli (09:31.63)
Right.

Kelli (09:39.726)
I don't think she does either.

Kelli (09:50.011)
I mean, she lived with them and she helped raise them. I'm sure, I don't know exactly how old they were, but they've been together a long time, Martina and Julia. her girls must've been young, but you know, they flash back to that scene where her daughter's like, you don't even know what school I go to. I mean, it does seem like her daughter spent a lot of time in Europe.

Wendy (10:06.69)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (10:15.616)
in boarding schools, I think, right?

Kelli (10:17.086)
Yeah, so yeah, it's a tricky situation, but I thought that that was a reasonable explanation for them feeling the way they feel, not cutting your mother off, because I feel like that's a little drastic. But making the statement, we wish you would have adopted them when we lived there, because obviously that's how you're going to bond with them by being there. It's reasonable.

Wendy (10:31.586)
Right.

Wendy (10:42.358)
Right. I don't even think, and, and, and cause Martina said, well, you know, we didn't, we didn't really even share with them what the process was. And I think that that's also part of the problem. Like you didn't share anything with them until they were there.

Kelli (10:54.626)
She made it seem like, you know, they didn't do that because of how they felt initially, I guess, to them announcing that they were doing this. But you know, whatever. Whatever. But I caught that. Julia said something like, listen, if a listener out there can back me up on this, because again, it was so late when I watched these shows, I wasn't rewinding. But I thought I heard Julia say they finally realized there's enough for everyone.

Wendy (11:04.299)
Yeah, I don't.

Kelli (11:24.024)
And I thought, is it like an inheritance thing?

Wendy (11:28.152)
Well, honestly, I didn't catch that, but that would make sense. I don't, when you say that to me, I don't know if she means enough money or love, right?

Kelli (11:38.23)
Exactly. don't so if a listener out there caught that please let me know because maybe I made it up

Wendy (11:43.662)
Because it could be love, could be like if there's enough love to go around, you know?

Kelli (11:47.78)
Yeah, yeah.

Wendy (11:49.918)
So anyway, think every, honestly, I think every scene with Martina, that's another one. I don't need to see Martina every other episode. I don't need to see her, whether it be on FaceTime or in person. I really don't need to see her. I'm sorry, but I don't think she ever comes off as good though. don't ever think, you know, she leaves the screen. I'm like, God, thank God she was there to contribute. I'm always like, I think she made it more awkward and weird.

Kelli (12:02.616)
Yeah, Martina's enjoying this little housewife stint.

Kelli (12:16.634)
She does make it awkward. Yes. Very awkward. Especially that scene where Stephanie and Massoud, where she's like, I wanna go, can I go? I wanna go on the plane. Like Martina. Chill.

Wendy (12:18.848)
Right? Like every scene she's in is awkward.

Producers, please.

Wendy (12:29.888)
Yeah.

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. The next thing we see is Jodie surprised Lisa with a romantic dinner. They go outside to eat and the kids are inside eating, which I thought that was good. Like, you know, doing it at the house. Lisa says when she's outside, she feels like something special is gonna happen. And Jodie said, are you hinting about the engagement again? And she's like, well, she just doesn't like the word girlfriend.

Kelli (12:35.962)
Take it down a notch.

Kelli (12:48.782)
Yeah.

Wendy (13:02.274)
She feels like she's too old to be a girlfriend. Okay. I will say.

Kelli (13:07.108)
Well, you're going to push them away, so you better stop it.

Wendy (13:10.247)
I actually love the way Jodi handled this whole situation.

Kelli (13:12.952)
Me too, how honest is he?

Wendy (13:15.382)
Yeah. And Jodie said, listen, do you think somebody else would have spent the last two and a half years dealing with what I just did? Like, he just wants to feel comfortable that, like, there's not going to be all this chaos moving forward. And then he went on to tell her what it is she needs to do to get the ring, because that's what she wants. And that's what Lisa needs. Lisa needs someone to tell her what she needs to do to get what it is she wants, because she cannot read clues.

Kelli (13:40.762)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (13:44.556)
So he said, what you need to do for me is you need to do something on your own to make yourself better so that you are not who you are right now. So you can go back to the Lisa that I met, right? That wasn't so angry. Go to therapy, read a book, make, do this about, make you a better you and do it on your own.

Kelli (14:05.528)
Yeah, because basically he said if something happened with Lenny or Larsa, she would take it out on him. I mean, we're all guilty of that, but this guy, mean, you know, he's a real partner. He's involved in your kids' lives. He's obviously contributing financially. Like, he's a true partner.

Wendy (14:11.19)
Right. Right.

Wendy (14:25.484)
He really is, he really is. exactly, I think now that she knows what she has to do, I think she's gonna do it. I mean, even so much as the ladies like pointing out to her and like that she's late all the time. I told you she hired a coach like to help her. Like if you tell Lisa what she needs to do, I feel like Lisa wants to do the right thing. Lisa wants to be a good friend. Lisa wants to be a good partner.

Kelli (14:28.342)
So do what you gotta do.

Kelli (14:44.792)
Yeah, yeah, it's great.

Kelli (14:51.546)
Right.

Wendy (14:55.17)
But sometimes she just gets lost, and she can't get out of her own way. So if she has someone like Jodi that's gonna direct her to what she needs to do, I think she'll be able to do it.

So then we see it's day one of Art Basel and Adriana's walking through the gallery. We find out that they have 2,500 RSVPs for this one event, which is huge. I mean, she looked gorgeous. She looked gorgeous.

Kelli (15:17.997)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (15:22.18)
Let me tell you, and I'm sure she did it on purpose and God bless her for it, but she looked very youthful and she pulled it off.

Wendy (15:28.28)
Mm-hmm.

She didn't look even like she was trying.

Kelli (15:33.312)
Exactly! She pulled it off.

Wendy (15:35.47)
Yeah, mean, Lars has said to her she looks like she's 30 years old. And I have to agree, that dress was stunning. Her hair and makeup, she's gorgeous.

Kelli (15:39.46)
She does. Yes.

And Larsa pulls off a cat suit so well. Like she should just always wear a cat suit.

Wendy (15:52.94)
Okay. I know.

Kelli (15:54.363)
She really does. And I'm not a big Larissa fan. feel like I've been giving her a lot of, I feel like I've been gassing her up a lot this episode, saying she's a great mom and now the cat suit. But honestly, she really does look great in a cat suit.

Wendy (16:01.443)
Yeah.

Wendy (16:08.246)
And then Stephanie shows up and she looks great. Then we see Alexia and Marisol are driving to the event together and Alexia is telling Marisol, because Marisol asked her what she did for Thanksgiving. And she said, well, she didn't spend it with Todd, but she did spend the night before and she spent the day after with Todd. And Marisol says, well, like, don't, you know, I don't know what's going on with you. Like if you don't mention him, I think that things are bad. So I don't want to bring it up. And Alexia is like, well, you're just being negative. Like that's just negative. No.

That's just because you're a psycho? That's just because you're a psycho.

Kelli (16:41.366)
Is everyone else bored of hearing Marisol and Alexia talk about Todd?

Wendy (16:46.284)
Really? I think so.

Kelli (16:48.386)
I'm very bored of it.

Wendy (16:50.242)
Yeah, I agree. Larsa asks nautical Stephanie, and I like that she even called her that, about Adriana's birthday cake. Like she's really questioning like whose intention was this? Who put this mathematical equation on the cake? Like, do you know who put it there? Yep, so Stephanie didn't know. Trying to figure it out.

Kelli (16:58.234)
you

Kelli (17:07.866)
Yeah, they broke down the suspect.

Wendy (17:16.058)
Lex, then Alexia shows up and she's telling the ladies how she went over to Lisa's apartment after Thanksgiving, because she ran into her at Thanksgiving. And there were two Christmas trees there. And Jodie said, yeah, Lisa hired someone to do this and it cost me $1,000. And Julia's like, I got mine for $79.99 at Home Depot and I did it myself. Well, okay. So you did it yourself.

Kelli (17:36.334)
I don't know why they're making a big deal about this. I know people who pay people to put their Christmas trees up. We know people who do it for a living who put other people's Christmas trees up. This is a very common thing.

Wendy (17:40.781)
Yes!

Wendy (17:44.224)
Yes, like what is the big deal? Like why is this something that you're sticking your nose in, Alexia? Seriously, like what does it matter to you?

Kelli (17:50.549)
Right. mean, listen, I obviously don't pay somebody. We put our own tree up and we decorate it together as a family every year. I would think with her kids being the ages they are, she would do that with them, but maybe that's why she has two trees. Maybe she has one professionally decorated and then one she does with her kids.

Wendy (18:14.838)
Either way, it's something that's right. Like I feel like why is Alexia shaming her for that? Like seriously, it's so petty. It's just so petty, right?

Kelli (18:15.714)
It doesn't matter.

Kelli (18:21.42)
Right. That's jealousy and insecurity. Yes. Yes.

Wendy (18:29.646)
Then Stephanie goes over to Alexia to try to find out if she knows who did the birthday cake thing because she's on the case now that Larsa made her aware of it. And then Marisol walks over and Marisol says, already know who did it. And Alexia, she knows too. And they're standing there, but they don't tell us just yet. And then we cut to Kiki and Gertie are riding together on the way there. And you know, Kiki says, have you heard from any of ladies since the cruise? And Gertie said, well, she had a text from Adriana.

Kelli (18:46.778)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (18:57.71)
She wanted to know who put those numbers on the cake. And Gertie's like, I don't know. And he's like, well, I did it. And Gertie's like, ooh. Yeah.

Kelli (19:04.44)
very matter factly. Zero F's to give.

Wendy (19:08.768)
Right. then Kiki explains her logic, which I'm sorry. God bless you. She explains her logic and her logic is what happened was when they were on the boat, you know, they were talking and they asked her like what age she would like to go back to. And she said, I thought she said 32, but they cut to it and she actually said 45. So, then they show Kiki in front of Marisol and Alexia explaining to her them what she's going to do with the cake.

Kelli (19:12.122)
Excuse me. Thank you.

Wendy (19:38.604)
and it's gonna be more like a math thing and Marisol and Alexia could have shut it down right then and there, but they're like, okay, it's your idea, you're have to explain it, we're just gonna be drinking in the corner. Okay, you guys know that this was going to set Adriana off. Let's just say Kiki didn't quite get it, because I really don't think, I really don't think Kiki meant to set her off, I really don't. I don't. I don't.

Kelli (19:43.79)
Yes, they could have.

Kelli (20:03.476)
I mean, after that dinner and Alexia was, I think Kiki should have known better than to reference any numbers at Adriana's birthday.

Wendy (20:08.064)
I don't.

Wendy (20:17.358)
Okay, I don't think she meant to set her off. I really don't. But I know damn well that Alexia and Marisol knew that it would set her off. And they could have shut it down.

Kelli (20:27.071)
Yeah. Yeah. They should have shut it down.

Wendy (20:32.13)
but they chose not to. So then we get back to the event and Adriana is introducing some of the ladies to Chris Rivers and showing some of his work. And she thanks him for making it here from England. It's his first solo show in the US. And then I thought it was funny when she brings Lisa over to show her his art and Chris and Lisa goes to touch it. And Adriana was like, you can't touch the art.

Lisa goes, all right, I'll take it. She loves art. $18,000. And I'll buy it. And she did. I'm sure she did buy it.

Kelli (21:05.7)
Yeah, she's like, I'll buy it. I'll buy it. I hope we find out that she really did buy it.

Wendy (21:12.236)
I'm sure she did because I do recall she had a lot of art. Like she had a lot of art in her plays with Lenny. And she took it with her. Like I believe that she really does appreciate art. So good for her for giving it to this new artist, right? Then Marisol asked Stephanie like what she did for Thanksgiving and because she hasn't had Instagram, she lost her phone. thought that was very strange.

Kelli (21:17.656)
Yeah, well they flashed to it in this episode, you Yeah.

Kelli (21:28.942)
Yeah, for sure.

Wendy (21:41.644)
Okay, so you couldn't, yeah, but wait, what? I mean, you can't just ask her what she did for Thanksgiving. You have to say it's because I couldn't follow you on Instagram. I mean, come on. I mean, even if I, like, even I have my phone and I have Instagram, if I'm talking to you, I'm gonna ask you what you did. I'm not gonna look you up on Instagram.

Kelli (21:41.912)
I think that's a lie.

Kelli (21:49.636)
She didn't see any pictures of it. Exactly.

Kelli (21:58.107)
It probably means that she did see what she did on Thanksgiving on Instagram and didn't like it or comment. So this is her covering her ass. I lost my phone. I don't have access to Instagram. Because it's kind of a random thing to say.

Wendy (22:14.134)
It was very random. Stephanie's like, I was in Canada. How about you? And she's like, well, I went to the yacht club with Steven and Hunter, but it's not the same now that my family, I'm used to spending it with my family. And Stephanie's like, yeah, I totally understand. I don't talk to my sisters either. So I wanted to actually have a talk with you about you and I. When I joined this friend group, I thought that

you know, we could be friends, but then we've been fighting. I, you know, Marissa was like, wait, wait, wait, I thought we solved that on the cruise when we sat down, you know, before the eighties workout thing. And she's like, well, that was before I talked to Alexia in the mud room. And she said that you were upset because I went to lunch with Adriana.

I mean, what do you think about that? Like, what are your thoughts?

Kelli (23:04.388)
I think that, you know, she says Alexia told her that Marisol was upset that Adriana went on the plane first and that Stephanie went to lunch with Adriana. I feel like Alexia and Marisol are blaming each other. Like they're throwing each other under the bus, right?

Wendy (23:21.568)
Right, right. Yeah, that's what's happening. That's what's happening.

Kelli (23:25.038)
Yeah, you know, one saying the other one's more upset than them.

Wendy (23:30.401)
Right.

Yeah, then Marisol's like, well, you don't like that you talk about money so much. Like, and you had to talk about how much the plane cost. And then they flashed you. It was Larsa that said how much the plane cost.

Kelli (23:44.748)
It was, but I mean, listen, we said it in the beginning of the season. Like she was flexing a lot, Stephanie. She was. Numbers, numbers. She didn't, she didn't.

Wendy (23:50.658)
She, but she never mentioned money. She never, she never matched prices of anything. She did name drop a lot of items, but she never mentioned money, right? So Marisol says, you know, talking about money is distasteful and it's classless. I'm going to say it. It's, it's tacky and I don't want to be around tacky. Stephanie said, well, Alexia is making it seem like you were the one that has the problem and that she's the mouth, which is what Alexia said.

Kelli (23:59.098)
Right.

Kelli (24:20.538)
100%. Yes.

Wendy (24:21.815)
That's what she said.

Wendy (24:25.672)
In Marisol's confessional, she's like, the problem that Stephanie has with Alexia is because she had to run her mouth about Todd. And that's where her problem ran into. And she's not going to drag me into this. That is the problem that she has with Alexia. But she got past that. Now the problem she's having is that you two keep pointing at each other as to who's mad at Stephanie. Like you are involved in it. Even if you don't want to be involved in it, you actually are.

Kelli (24:38.894)
Right. For sure.

Kelli (24:52.962)
Right, well, neither one of them went on the plane. They both made the decision. know, Alexia's twisting it and saying that she woke up that morning like, okay, let's go on the plane. And Marisol was like, you can't go on the plane. You know, but neither one of them went on the plane.

Wendy (24:58.027)
Right.

Wendy (25:05.165)
Right.

Right, exactly. And then Stephanie says, listen, I was like, I was hurt. was deep down hurt when you didn't go on the pan, on the plane and Marisol, listen, I'm sorry. I actually knew that you were going to be hurt. And like, that's not what I want. Like, can we just move on? She gets up, they hug and they're like, okay. Stephanie's like, just going forward, just be more straightforward to me, Marisol. Like if you have a problem, like just tell me, you know.

Kelli (25:31.906)
Right, just be more honest.

Wendy (25:35.618)
Don't go through Alexia, just say it straight to me.

Kelli (25:38.638)
Yeah, and Marisol says like Stephanie's the type of person to say something, get it off her chest and move on. And she does seem like she's that kind of person.

Wendy (25:45.718)
Yeah, and I hope that that's the case. I do.

Kelli (25:48.162)
I hope so too. I hope so too.

Wendy (25:50.962)
Then we meet Carol, who is Adriana's best friend, and she's also a stylist or her stylist, and she's known her for many, many years. And we just meet her for a brief moment. We don't know why we're going to meet her until a little later on when we get back to her. And then we see Alexia invites the ladies over to the beauty bar for a happy hour this week because she said it was Frankie's idea.

Kelli (26:06.81)
Sure do.

Wendy (26:16.64)
And Marisol said, are you only inviting your best customers? And Kiki keeps saying, is it free? Is it for free? Like, what was that about?

Kelli (26:26.17)
What's that about?

Wendy (26:27.936)
I don't know. really don't know. And like we never got an answer. We didn't get an answer. I just thought that was very strange.

Kelli (26:32.386)
No, we didn't get an answer.

Maybe she's making a point, like, you know.

Wendy (26:40.012)
Are you inviting us to your place to spend money? listen, it is a valid point, but really, do you need to put it out there like that?

Kelli (26:42.21)
Exactly.

Kelli (26:46.662)
Not over and over again. Like just like text her later. Hey, by the way, just so I know what I'm getting myself into.

Wendy (26:48.522)
Right. Yeah. Yeah. Right. So then we see Larsa and Lisa are hugging each other and getting along and Julia goes over and yeah, she was, she was. Julia goes over and says she's so happy to see that those two are getting along and it like makes her miss her and Adriana because they used to be really close like that. And

Kelli (27:02.756)
Larsa was pretty lit. Yeah.

Wendy (27:18.188)
Then we see Lisa, Larsa, Julie and Adriana all sitting down on the couch and Lisa's explaining to Adriana what Julie had said that she really misses being close with her.

Wendy (27:33.08)
Then the math question comes out again. Larsa says, well, who put the math equation on the cake? I just need to know that. And then we find out that Lisa knows and she tells Larsa and Larsa announces that it was Kiki.

Kelli (27:36.346)
Mmm.

Wendy (27:53.216)
Adriana's pissed, she's like, that was shady, that was shady. But then Julia jumps in and is like, well, I don't think Kiki did it in a mean way. And Larsa and Lisa are both telling Julia to stop talking, like just stop talking. And she's not, right.

Kelli (27:54.777)
oof

Kelli (28:04.878)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because there's no, mean, she's not a mean person, Kiki, no, but she had to know that this was gonna bother Adriana and she did it anyway, so.

Wendy (28:13.376)
Right.

Wendy (28:17.512)
Right, right. But even if, like let's just say, even if you really believe, because I said that to you, I don't think that, I don't really think she knew how it was going to affect her, but I'm not supposed to be best friends with Adriana, who's obviously upset about it. So even if you really do feel this way, Julia, just keep your mouth shut. Like Lisa and Larsa are saying, stop talking. Stop talking.

Kelli (28:37.08)
Right, stop, stop.

Wendy (28:46.934)
And she can't because then she keeps on going. She's like, well, do you remember when you were tipsy and you were talking about Marisol's knees? And she's like, no, it's different. I'm older than Marisol. We go way back. It's different. again, why are you still talking about it? Why are you still? And that's when Adriana's like, this is what.

Kelli (29:02.456)
Right. Right.

And, and not only that, I don't agree with what Adriana was saying to Marisol, because it was low. She did apologize though. She did apologize.

Wendy (29:13.71)
haha

Wendy (29:18.136)
She did apologize. And Adriana was like, well, this is why I don't trust you. Like, this is why I don't trust you anymore, because you're always defending. Like, now you're defending Marisol. You're defending Kiki. Julia says, well, you're so difficult to be around anymore. You're no fun. You're so negative.

Kelli (29:34.234)
The conversation took a hard left,

Wendy (29:36.138)
It really did. And over on the side, Alexia and Gertie are talking to Kiki and telling her that she needs to explain to Adriana why she did what she did with the cake and what her intentions were. But before she has a chance to do that, Adriana goes up to her friend Carol and asks her if she's a racist. Carol says, no, you're not a racist.

Kelli (29:39.16)
Well, now it gets real bad.

Kelli (29:59.717)
So weird.

Wendy (30:03.006)
Adriana says, well, they said I'm a racist because I use the word wretched. Carol said, well, that's a word for every race. Like that's not a racist word. But no one, I have not once heard anyone call Adriana a racist because of that. I mean, I don't know because it doesn't make any sense that this came out like this. Like we never heard her say that. Nobody said that.

Kelli (30:15.481)
No.

No, I mean did this happen off camera and we just didn't see it?

Kelli (30:25.849)
Right.

Kelli (30:29.262)
And why is Adriana doing this at an art exhibit that she set up?

Wendy (30:34.272)
I don't know. I don't know. And then Adriana turns around and Kiki's standing there and she said, so Kiki, you're calling me a racist because I use the word wretched. So Carol has some words for you. And Kiki's like, who said? I never called you a racist. I never called you a racist. And then Kiki turns around and she walks out. And she like walks over to the other side of this truck and she's like, you gotta get me out of here.

Kelli (30:59.672)
An Amazon truck, she asked an Amazon truck driver to take her home.

Wendy (31:03.318)
I wasn't sure, this is what I was thinking, like, cause it was like an Amazon truck, but I was like, there's gotta be a producer on the other side of that truck that she's talking to. But I was like, this is so weird. Like, this so weird.

Kelli (31:09.122)
Of course, of course. Yeah, it does look like she asks an Amazon driver to drive her home though.

Wendy (31:17.408)
Right. And then Kiki's like, I never called her a racist. don't think anyone in the group, I don't think anyone in this group is a racist. I don't think anyone ever said those words. But meanwhile, Adriana's like, I don't want to get canceled. And listen, I understand that that could happen if someone called you a racist in the culture that we live in today.

Kelli (31:32.366)
Yeah, but Adriana, you're a friend of Unreal Housewives of Miami. You're not even big enough to get canceled. Relax.

Wendy (31:35.892)
Right. Right. But now she's like, I don't even care about the cake. But now she's saying, I don't care about the cake.

Kelli (31:43.374)
Yeah, because now she's making this up that Kiki called her a racist. I mean, I can't see Kiki doing that. But you know what? I couldn't see Kiki doing the cake either.

Wendy (31:52.832)
Right. And nobody did see Kiki doing the cake because when they were trying to figure it out, they're like, Kiki wouldn't do that. Right.

Kelli (31:54.903)
No.

Kelli (31:58.499)
Right. So I wonder if something happened off camera that we're going to find out about at the reunion, which listen, Alexia and Marisol keep saying over and over again, there's a big bombshell at the reunion. They drop a bomb at the reunion.

Wendy (32:14.478)
Yeah. Yeah. So maybe, yeah, I don't know. I don't know. So,

Kelli (32:19.468)
Maybe something happened off camera. But next week doesn't look very good for Adriana either.

Wendy (32:24.948)
Yeah. So then we like Julia goes out to try and find Kiki. She can't find her. She comes back and announces that, you know, that she's gone. And Adrian is like, well, why are you going after her? You're supposed to be my best friend.

Kelli (32:39.544)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (32:40.544)
and she still, she still doesn't get it.

Kelli (32:44.355)
No, she doesn't.

Wendy (32:47.63)
Listen, this is what I want to know. What do you think? I think Adriana has a right to feel the way she does about Julia, that Julia doesn't have her back. I think that's valid, but I don't know about this other thing, but like you said, maybe it's something that happened off camera.

Kelli (32:59.418)
Sure.

Kelli (33:10.958)
Yeah, that's the only thing I could think of because I felt like that came out of left field. I'm like, what does she even talk? Did she just say Keke called her a racist? Like it doesn't make sense unless it makes sense next week or at the reunion.

Wendy (33:24.108)
Right, which the way this has been going lately, that's probably what's going to happen. They're going to show us something that we didn't see.

Kelli (33:29.72)
Right, right, which like you have said, it's not right. It's not right.

Wendy (33:34.89)
No, it's not. It's not chronological. I want my show in chronological order, please. Right, when it happens. Not after we have a blow up that we don't understand.

Kelli (33:39.33)
Right, if something happens, show it.

Kelli (33:46.402)
Right, because you're just, you know, but of course that's what they do now because of podcasts and bloggers and social media and it's just to get everybody hyped up.

Wendy (33:49.582)
You're just producing, right?

Wendy (33:58.08)
Okay, so this is the question this week. Whose side are you on, Adriana's or Julia's? That's it. Whose side are you on, either Adriana's or Julia's? Let us know in the comments. Like, do you think is right in this situation? And then next week is the season finale, and we know it's gonna be Stephanie's Christmas party, and we know we are gonna see Alexia's beauty bar. So I'm sure that's gonna be the whole... Yeah, yes, and I hope Anastasia is there too.

Kelli (33:58.797)
And it works.

Kelli (34:08.068)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Kelli (34:22.296)
Yeah, I'm definitely looking.

Wendy (34:28.63)
at the Christmas party but if she's not at least all of her products will be there.

Kelli (34:28.634)
Yeah.

Wendy (34:34.806)
So on Watch What Happens Live was Larsa and Gretchen. Listen, I don't like to talk about the way people look. And I'm not talking about anyone's physical appearance, but I will just say this. On Watch What Happens Live, Gretchen's dress, gloves, and hair screams 1985. That's all I'm going to say.

Kelli (34:56.994)
Okay, I'm gonna look it up, because I totally believe you, because at the Virtual Reality Awards, I thought her dress looked like a figure skater's. Right? I don't know who her stylist is, but she needs a new one.

Wendy (35:07.426)
Yeah, I just...

Yes, she definitely needs a new stylist. I just...

Kelli (35:16.344)
Yeah, like that was like a figure skater outfit.

Wendy (35:19.372)
Yeah, this this Watch It Happens Live was horrible. It was horrible the outfit.

Kelli (35:22.957)
No bueno.

Wendy (35:25.838)
and the rest of Watch What Happens Live was really nothing. It was nothing to talk about. mean, Andy asked Larsa, you know, does she agree that, you know, does she think that Stephanie talks about money too much? And Larsa's like, no, I don't, I don't think she talks about money too much. And I don't, I really don't think she does. I don't.

Kelli (35:41.861)
think she came into this season, you know, listen, I think she was finding her way. It was annoying in the beginning. I'll be the first to admit it, but she's not doing it anymore. She acknowledged it on Heather McDonald. I think once she comes back next season, we'll probably see a different Stephanie. And I'm here for it, because I like her, I like her.

Wendy (35:58.861)
Yeah.

I think so too. I do too. I'm okay with Stephanie coming back. I would like to see another season of Stephanie. In the beginning of her Christmas party, she announces that last year for Christmas, she asked for friends. And then we see she's got friends now, which is nice. It's nice, right? So we'll have to wait and see what happens. But I'm glad that we're coming to the end of Miami. It's funny, because I was waiting. I couldn't wait for it to come on. And now I feel like...

Kelli (36:09.838)
Yeah.

Kelli (36:17.645)
Yeah.

Wendy (36:30.796)
I feel like we've been watching it forever.

Kelli (36:33.218)
This does feel like a long season, quite honestly.

Wendy (36:36.246)
I mean, it's 16 episodes. It's episode number 16.

Kelli (36:39.642)
It feels like a long season, but I'm curious to see this now with these accusations by Adriana if there's any merit to it. I mean, I would imagine there'd have to be if she's putting it out there on TV, but you know, Adriana's a little cuckoo sometimes, so we'll see.

Wendy (36:41.549)
Yeah.

Wendy (36:56.598)
Yeah, and looks did come out this week for the reunion.

Kelli (37:00.746)
Yeah, who did I heard? well, I think Alexia Marisol said it at the awards that it was like neon under the sea themed.

Wendy (37:13.836)
Yeah.

Kelli (37:14.574)
which honestly, think I looked, liked Lisa's dress and Kiki. Lisa and Kiki, in my opinion, look the best.

Wendy (37:23.522)
thought Marisol's dress was the best actually. I like Marisol's. It was blue. I tend to, I don't remember what Stephanie had on, but I'm gonna have to look at, we'll talk about that next week. We'll talk about there, it wasn't good. and I, yeah. I'll bring those up next week behind me and we'll discuss those next week. right, until next time, thank you for watching and listening. Please leave us five star reviews and subscribe.

Kelli (37:35.327)
Stephanie's was not Stephanie's was not that Stephanie's was like dancing with the stars.

Kelli (37:46.682)
Okay, sounds good.

Wendy (37:53.389)
Bye!

Kelli (37:53.723)
Bye.