RHOM-Bossy or Bold?

Wendy (00:01.307)
Welcome to We Wine Whenever, I'm Wendy. We are talking about Real Housewives of Miami, Season 7, Episode Number 14, Navigating Friendships. Not a bad title.

Kelli (00:03.886)
I'm Kelly.

Kelli (00:15.81)
No, just apropos.

Wendy (00:17.933)
Yep, we are back in Miami and we see Gertie talking to Stephanie to see where she's at with the girls. Alexi is at her beauty bar and Frankie's there too and she's talking to Larsa about the cruise. It's funny because we haven't seen that beauty bar in a while, right? I was surprised to see it. Yeah, I was surprised to see it.

Kelli (00:35.202)
I know, I'm thinking the same thing.

Yeah. I like that Frankie goes with her and hangs out there.

Wendy (00:43.085)
I do too. I do too. I like Frankie. I really do. Marisol meets up with Julia and they FaceTime with Martina and the boys. So I don't know if you're noticing this, but Martina's doing a lot of FaceTiming with the boys. Like, what's that all about? I think she's been on every episode. If she wasn't there in person, I think we've had a FaceTime with Martina.

Kelli (01:03.126)
Martina. Yeah.

Kelli (01:09.598)
I totally agree with you. I think Martina really likes this.

Wendy (01:11.333)
Right?

Wendy (01:14.767)
I think she wants to be a housewife.

Kelli (01:16.608)
Or are we referring to her as Marty now?

Wendy (01:20.034)
boy, did someone call her Marty?

Kelli (01:20.91)
That's what, Julia was referring to Marty. I'm like, who the hell is she talking about? And then they FaceTimed Martina. I'm assuming that's she was talking about.

Wendy (01:25.577)
I missed that.

Interesting, I missed that. Yeah, I mean, it must have been, I missed her saying that. Julia tells Marisol that her daughter on the phone the other day when she went to hang up said, love you. And so she's hopeful, that's her older daughter, that maybe her younger daughter will come around. I actually was under the impression that her daughters weren't even speaking to her. So, right? Isn't that what she led us to believe? That they were not speaking to her.

Kelli (01:33.312)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (01:42.669)
Yeah.

Kelli (01:52.758)
Me too. Mm-hmm. Yes, yes, absolutely.

Wendy (01:58.339)
Okay. So it wasn't just me that thought that. Okay. All right. Well, listen, I'm glad that she is speaking to her daughter and I'm glad that, you know, she's making headway.

Kelli (02:02.086)
Nope, nope, we're totally on the same page there. Me too.

Wendy (02:14.475)
Let's see, so then they're talking about Stephanie, how she's very bossy and makes people feel uncomfortable. I don't know.

Kelli (02:22.626)
I mean Marisol saying all this stuff and Julia's just sitting there cosigning it all.

Wendy (02:28.317)
Yeah, because Julie is not going to have an opinion, right? She's not.

Kelli (02:30.59)
No, she's not gonna have an opinion. She's just gonna nod and smile so she could stay in with the cool girls.

Wendy (02:35.833)
Yep. Then we see Kiki is out with her dad and she's explaining to him that she ordered raw salmon for him and he doesn't want to try it. And I thought that was interesting. It was cute. She thanks her father for helping her out with the family issues, you know, back in Haiti. And he says that that's his job. And

Kelli (02:50.658)
It was so cute.

Wendy (03:03.003)
I didn't realize he actually had to go back to Haiti to get that resolved. Like he couldn't, that wasn't just a phone call. He had to go back there.

Kelli (03:09.932)
I remember when she was telling the girl she said my dad had to take care of it for me. Well, I guess that's what she meant.

Wendy (03:15.043)
Yes. Yes. Then he goes on to say, you were my first born and I would never treat you bad. And I actually, and he said it wasn't my fault. And then Kiki said, well, in that moment, I didn't know that she didn't want me there. And you told her that she could kick me out. Like you rubber stamped it.

Kelli (03:43.65)
Yeah.

Wendy (03:44.301)
She called you on the phone and you said, okay, kick her out. So I like that she's standing up to him. do. I like that she's standing in her truth, even if it's uncomfortable. And it was interesting is when he said to her, you know, but look at, look at how many cameras are on you today. I initially thought he was saying that because like, I can't believe you're saying this in front of the cameras. But what he was saying is look at how successful you are because of what I did to you. And I was like,

Kelli (03:47.566)
Check her out.

Kelli (03:52.268)
Me too.

Kelli (04:13.004)
Exactly.

Wendy (04:13.911)
I was like, well, that's an interesting turn,

Kelli (04:17.194)
I thought the same thing. I thought he was saying he was uncomfortable with all of the cameras and same thing. Like how could you feel free enough to say all of this to me in front of these cameras? But you're right. What he was really saying was, look at where you are now. And he's right, but she still clearly is entitled to feel the way she feels about it because no 15 year old should be kicked out of their parents' home. So.

Wendy (04:21.988)
Yes.

Wendy (04:32.505)
Right.

Wendy (04:44.78)
No, no.

Kelli (04:47.266)
but he did at one point say it wasn't my fault.

Wendy (04:50.447)
He did, actually he said it more than once. I think he said it twice. He said it wasn't my fault. And in her confessional she said, listen, in the Haitian culture, you're not allowed to call out your parents. But guess what? And she's right. She spent more time in America than she did in Haiti. So she's allowed to do what she needs to do, right?

Kelli (04:53.782)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (05:06.104)
Yeah.

Yes, she certainly is. And she did it, and that's really great.

Wendy (05:13.317)
She said, I'm glad I grow balls big enough to tell him how I feel. I love that she said that. I was like, I love that Kiki.

Kelli (05:16.718)
That was really good. That was really good.

Wendy (05:27.715)
And he says, what happened in the past, we can't change. Kiki said, I know we can't go back, but still I have to find closure. So she's still saying, which is good. He does try the salmon tartar and turns out he likes it. Yeah. So yeah, there you go. Lisa's getting ready for the next trip while she's talking to Jodi. my God, this was so cringy.

Kelli (05:41.058)
He likes it, see? Open up your horizons, sir.

Kelli (05:55.061)
Is Jodie just, listen, people are just saying terrible things about him online. I don't, you know, he's weird, he's this, I don't have any of those feelings. I do feel like he's very uncomfortable on the camera.

Wendy (06:09.283)
I agree with that. I agree with that. I mean, I think it's also very uncomfortable with the things that she says because she says, it feels weird that I'm not a Mrs. Anymore. You've only been divorced for a week, for one week.

Kelli (06:18.242)
Yeah. Right, my ring finger feels empty and bare. Jodi got very awkward during that conversation.

Wendy (06:22.925)
Empty. Right. One week!

I mean, that would be an awkward conversation if there wasn't a camera in your face.

Kelli (06:33.268)
Exactly. Yeah, he seemed very uncomfortable. And what he's going through with Larsa, like, she's like a predator. She's preying on him, Larsa. Like, she must know he's uncomfortable, and she's just trying to make him more uncomfortable.

Wendy (06:39.395)
And then we see him.

Wendy (06:53.069)
Yeah, just don't honestly, and I like Lisa, I think she doesn't really think before she speaks. I think that when she watches his back and realizes the position that she put him in when she was saying that.

Kelli (06:59.52)
No, I think that's very clear, yeah.

Kelli (07:10.006)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (07:15.169)
Jody is sitting in a confessional with Lisa and he said, being in a relationship is tough enough, but being in a relationship is really tough when you're going through a divorce and you've got all these lawsuits coming at you. And then when I have Larsa targeting me, like we just got through one hurdle and now we have another one.

Kelli (07:33.965)
Right. And he kind of basically says that he kind of brings up therapy, right? That they should go talk to somebody and she like does this with her arms and she's like, shuts it down. But listen, I don't think therapy's a bad idea for anybody, even if you're happily married for 50 years, there's always room for improvement.

Wendy (07:57.453)
Right. Right.

Kelli (07:59.255)
then that's what therapy is there for. And I always feel like any one person or couple or family or whatever could benefit from it. But you kind of shut it down, but it's like, that's real. If he really feels this way, that's real and that's part of your relationship. So don't shut it down, like foster that.

Wendy (08:18.863)
Right. Yeah. Then we see Stephanie is talking to her assistant and they're saying about how they have to wrap up all these gifts.

Kelli (08:29.818)
this, was so excited about this.

Wendy (08:32.913)
Anastasia.

Kelli (08:34.38)
Yes, I love, I have a million lip glosses. I love her mascara. She has such a beautiful makeup line. Her lip glosses, just the colors. mean, the texture, all that stuff is great. But the colors, I love all the colors. I was so excited that that's who it was. When she said Anastasia, I'm like, no way. Because I never saw who she was. Like, I didn't know what she looked like.

Wendy (08:57.615)
Yeah.

Kelli (09:02.444)
And then they had all those samples there, all those products.

Wendy (09:05.303)
I know, yes, I know. And she said they were sold out online. She had to get them directly from Anastasia. So it's funny, because when I, I know, when I saw that name, I was like, my God, because Anastasia Beverly Hills is a big sponsor of RuPaul's Drag Race. yeah, like, yeah, big. And so I pulled Matt over to look at it he's like,

Kelli (09:13.806)
These bitches are so lucky.

Kelli (09:22.549)
I didn't know that.

Wendy (09:31.781)
There's her daughter is the one that's always on RuPaul's Drag Race. I can't remember. I don't want to screw up my phone, but Anastasia's daughter is the one who's always on. was like, Anastasia's daughter. And you show me a picture. Yeah, guess how old that woman is? I almost fell over when I looked it up.

Kelli (09:42.807)
I didn't know that.

Kelli (09:50.188)
I would imagine like mid-60s, but not because she looks it.

Wendy (09:54.203)
Right, she does not, she's 67 years old. She does not look, I would have, I mean.

Kelli (09:57.359)
but doesn't, and I only say that because she's been around for so long.

Wendy (10:03.469)
Yes, she has been, I mean, and if she, I mean, if she's had work done, she has had the best work done I've ever seen. She looks amazing. She looks amazing. I mean, I, you know, it's a billion dollar business. It's a billion dollar business.

Kelli (10:09.336)
Yes.

Yes.

Kelli (10:17.688)
Yeah, I love her products. I wanna say she started out doing eyebrows. I wanna say like eyebrows were her thing. And then she just parlayed it into this whole big line.

Wendy (10:23.643)
Could be.

Wendy (10:32.121)
Yeah, no, I was excited to see her too. And we find out how they became friends. They were at a party together in LA and Anastasia went up to Stephanie and said, I really like the way you run your Instagram. really like your aesthetic. And they just kind of clicked. Now who would have thought, right? Like just something like that. I was like, wow, that's crazy. So she's doing a Shoma fundraising event.

Kelli (10:35.133)
I was so happy.

Kelli (10:49.805)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Wendy (11:00.703)
And she's partnering, well, she's doing it with Kiki, because they're going to donate the proceeds to a Haitian Health Foundation that Kiki chose. And there's going to be a signature drink there called the Kiki Carrage. And all the proceeds from that drink are going to go to this Haitian Health Foundation, which I thought was very nice. So I guess, I'm trying to figure out like timeline on this show. guess, is it like,

November, like, or is it December? Like, is it this close to Christmas? Like, I was trying to figure this out.

Kelli (11:35.446)
I know, it's so hard to tell because they're in Miami, right?

Wendy (11:38.107)
Yeah, and are we gonna get to see it? Like, I hope we get to see it.

Kelli (11:41.186)
I hope so. hope they're, know, lining it up so that we get to see this event.

Wendy (11:47.575)
I do too because it's episode 14 and I'm just a little worried that we're not gonna get to see it.

Kelli (11:51.727)
Yeah, you're right, you're right. Yeah, I don't know where we're at, but it seems like we're gonna see it. it has to be, I mean, they haven't talked about Halloween or anything like that.

Wendy (12:02.051)
Yeah, yeah, I just, wish I knew. Like this is one of those franchises where I really never know what season or what, right, yeah, I'm like, you know, what season are we in? Like what's going on on the calendar? I hope we do too. I thought the conversation that she had with her was very interesting about, you know, how she's such a strong woman in business and that when,

Kelli (12:09.184)
I know because they're in Miami it always looks like summer to us.

Kelli (12:17.12)
I know. I hope we get to see it. I just assumed.

Wendy (12:30.171)
Anastasia got the call from her, she was in a meeting, but she immediately thought Stephanie was calling her to tell her that she was pregnant. And I thought, well, that's odd, because Stephanie has made it very clear to us as the audience that she does not want children, that she is too focused on her career, right?

Kelli (12:46.22)
Yeah, so I have the same thing written down, but in this conversation, doesn't it seem like she's a little interested?

Wendy (12:54.359)
A little bit. I got that. Yeah.

Kelli (12:57.39)
But that's totally not how she makes it to the other ladies and it's totally not how she presented it on her Heather MacDonald interview.

Wendy (13:06.221)
Right. No, I agree. I agree. Unless she just,

unless she just was going for the, you know, she has her friend on and her friend has this, she didn't wanna have that conversation, which I can totally understand if that's the case, but.

Kelli (13:17.87)
Right.

Kelli (13:21.92)
Sure, sure. I wonder if she has a relationship with, what's Masood, is that his name? Masood, his children. I mean, technically his children could be her age, so that could be.

Wendy (13:29.369)
Yeah, I'ma suit her husband.

Wendy (13:36.775)
Yeah, don't think that she has, I mean, she doesn't appear to be very maternal and I can't, like you said, they're probably the same age and she's never met his ex. I seriously doubt there's any relationship there, I doubt it. But I do think it would be good to see a softer side of her, like, and certainly children could do that.

Kelli (13:48.152)
She's never met the ex.

Yeah, you're probably right, yeah.

Kelli (13:58.521)
for sure.

Yes. Well.

Wendy (14:01.987)
So we'll have to wait and see. We'll have to stay tuned and see if we get to see the party and we get to see a softer side of Stephanie, right?

Kelli (14:08.492)
Yeah, I thought the next thing was very interesting that they're going on a Virgin Cruise ship. Did you not think that they were going on this guy's private yacht?

Wendy (14:15.267)
Which was that?

Wendy (14:20.387)
Yes.

Wendy (14:24.431)
Well, you know what? I actually kind of did think it was a Virgin Cruise ship because my brother just went on a Virgin Cruise ship. And it's a big thing out of Miami. And they kept saying cruise. They kept saying cruise. They weren't saying.

Kelli (14:35.163)
he did?

Kelli (14:42.528)
I know, I just really thought that they were going on this guy's big giant yacht.

Wendy (14:46.787)
And I thought when I, I thought it was interesting because I'm like, how are they going to pull this off? Because there's going to be all these other passengers on this boat. Like, how are you going to pull this off with all these other passengers? I mean, they, first of all, she's got that sweet. So, but they, they seem to. Yes. Yes. I mean, I never heard of, it's called the resilient lady. That's the name of the cruise ship.

Kelli (14:53.432)
Right.

Kelli (15:02.318)
That suite was beautiful.

Kelli (15:09.826)
Yeah.

Wendy (15:12.377)
That suite is the Rockstar suite. had a hot tub in it. It had that huge balcony in it. I mean, that suite, that was very nice. That was very nice.

Kelli (15:18.638)
That was nice.

Kelli (15:25.902)
What do you think that's like 10,000 a night?

Wendy (15:30.331)
I, I would say, well, it's not, it's not a night. would be a cruise and it be per person. So if it's a five day cruise, it's you pay for everything's considered for double occupancy. So I would probably say at least 10, 10 to 15 grand per person. So that'd be 30 grand for the cruise. Right? I don't know. That's just my guess, but it's definitely expensive.

Kelli (15:30.414)
a suite like that.

Kelli (15:55.724)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (16:00.347)
The cruise that we went on in July, they had it like an, they called it the yacht club member, which was a different tier, different level. And we couldn't even get to it. Like you can't even get to that part of the boat. You can't even get to that part of the boat without, yeah. You can't get to that part of the boat. And actually Darren's cousin, the travel agent, her son, and probably her too, they were on that part of the boat, of course, because.

Kelli (16:09.656)
Yeah.

Kelli (16:14.209)
really?

Kelli (16:18.199)
Wow.

Wendy (16:29.243)
You know, they travel a lot and they're, you know, they're at that level, but yeah, that's the level I would. Yes. Yeah. I would like to be at that level. Let's just say, right. So Stephanie decides on this crew, she's going to be a nautical Stephanie, like calm and cool. She's not going to be bossy.

Kelli (16:29.858)
Well, yeah, right.

Right. Plus if they're travel agents then they get the perks anyway just to be able to push it. Yeah.

Yeah, I'd like to be at that level at one point too.

Wendy (16:53.915)
Well, first of all, you can't be bossy because you're on a cruise ship and you're going wherever the cruise ships tells you you're going. You are not making up any agenda. So this is a good time to come up with this nautical Stephanie, just to say, right? So Marisol decides that she's going to split up the group. And at first I thought, oh my God, this is the dumbest. That was my initial reaction. But then when she did split up the group, did kind of like that they were, first of all, I liked that they were kind of.

Kelli (16:59.054)
That's right. That's right. Exactly. Yes.

Wendy (17:20.089)
like trying to talk to each person about it in a calm way, right? And I think that that was a good way to approach it, in my opinion.

Kelli (17:23.202)
Yes. Right. Right.

Kelli (17:29.676)
Yes, I agree. I had the same initial thoughts as you, but it was a smart idea.

Wendy (17:33.531)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah. So, and I also didn't realize that they were going to be going like to two different restaurants, like two completely different places, which again was also very smart because we've seen how explosive these women can be. Yeah. Yeah. So the first, the first person to arrive is Lisa in her group. Now I don't think this has ever happened before, ever.

Kelli (17:46.198)
Yes. The past two, yeah, the past two dinners, right?

Kelli (18:00.183)
I just think it's funny when, so when the, guess Marisol and Alexia got there, she's like, you guys are late. Like.

Wendy (18:05.211)
I know that was so funny. And Alexia like, of course she got offended. I mean, she was totally joking. She was totally joking. It was so funny though. So actually Adriana got there a bit late and she said that she fell asleep because she wasn't feeling well. And I'll be honest with you.

Kelli (18:13.976)
She's like, you've on time one time.

Kelli (18:21.74)
Hmm... Hmm...

Kelli (18:32.344)
think Gerty and Adriana were both a little seasick. Because even Gerty, when she showed up at their table, she was like...

Wendy (18:35.834)
You think

Wendy (18:39.322)
Oh, oh, you think that's what I always I never that never even occurred to me that they were C6.

Kelli (18:43.95)
I figured they were seasick. Yeah.

Wendy (18:46.241)
Okay, that could be, that could be. Yeah, but I did think that they both didn't look good. I thought she was like legitimately sick, but okay, that would make sense though, right? So Kiki's trying to see what Larsa wants from Lisa so that they're not fighting. She's asking her and Larsa said, well, she's hurt by Lisa about the paparazzi comment. I'm like, my God, we're still talking about this?

Kelli (18:56.588)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (19:15.426)
And by the way, first of all, nobody really believe, does anybody really believe that Larsa called the paparazzi on Marcus? I mean, honestly, I feel like these women get jacked up about things that nobody even believes. I never even thought twice about that comment. It's stupid. Of course she didn't know where he was gonna be. And she's gonna send the paparazzi to the south of France? I mean, I don't think she cares that much.

Wendy (19:23.703)
No, no.

Wendy (19:30.521)
I agree with you.

Wendy (19:39.738)
Right.

I don't either. I don't either.

Kelli (19:43.554)
The paparazzi just happened to be in the south of France and your boyfriend was shoving the white shit up his nose. Ex. Your ex-boyfriend.

Wendy (19:47.647)
X, X, X, X. And they were X's at the time as well. Not like they were together, so, right.

Kelli (19:52.471)
Right. So it is, mean, everybody's entitled to their feelings, but it's like, nobody even believed that. So don't get so jacked up about it.

Wendy (20:02.619)
Like, why are you holding onto this? Like, this is the hill that you're gonna die on? Like, really? So Kiki said if she apologizes, can we then move forward? And I don't think she agrees to it.

Kelli (20:04.877)
Right.

Right.

Kelli (20:18.68)
Well, she said, my apology's here. Her apology has to be up here. It was a very Kelly Benson-mohan moment.

Wendy (20:23.707)
that's right. Right. Right. Yes, it was. That's right. That's right. Yeah, because I was like...

Kelli (20:31.596)
I don't even know what that means. Like, does she have to grovel? Does she have to beg for your forgiveness? And you can just give her a flippin' I'm sorry? Like, what does it mean?

Wendy (20:43.385)
Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I do like that Kiki was trying to find out what exactly it is, right? So then over on the other side, Alexia is telling Lisa that when Jodie texted Larsa that she did something wrong. Well, first of all, you don't know that whole relationship, Alexia. Marisol asks her what she needs to do to move forward, which is the question that we need, right? That's the question we need to answer. And Lisa wants Jodie to be left out of it, which I agree, right? Because...

Kelli (21:10.722)
Right. I totally agree.

Wendy (21:12.867)
I mean, it's actually Jodie is the one who said that Larsa called the paparazzi. It wasn't Lisa. It was actually Jodie that said it. According to Larsa.

Kelli (21:22.37)
Maybe somebody did tell him that. Maybe somebody did tell him that. Shouldn't have repeated it though.

Wendy (21:24.813)
Right, but, right, but, right. But like Lisa said, wants Jodie left out of it. She wants whatever happens between them to be between them. And I agree with that.

Kelli (21:37.152)
I do too, Alexia was very adamant though that Jodie needs to stay out of it on his own. But honestly at this point I think Jodie wants to stay out of it on, like he's like I'm all set, you crazy asses.

Wendy (21:47.843)
Yeah, I totally agree. Stephanie is saying that she's trying to be chill. I don't know who it was. Somebody said she's trying to be demure and mindful. that, Gertie said that? Yeah, Gertie. Alexia is saying that Stephanie has bad delivery and someone needs to stop her. I'm like, well, that's a little harsh.

Kelli (21:59.919)
I already said it. Yeah.

Kelli (22:13.56)
So Stephanie said that her sisters think she has bad delivery and now her friends do. So it seems like Stephanie is like reflecting a little bit. Alexia is not reflecting on anything.

Wendy (22:20.303)
Right.

Wendy (22:24.379)
100 % I agree. I agree. No, no, no, she's not.

Kelli (22:31.072)
Alexia is taking no accountability. She's not acknowledging that she has any issue at all. This is clearly all Stephanie's fault.

Wendy (22:39.204)
That not

Yep, and somebody needs to stop her.

Kelli (22:44.672)
Right, someone needs to stop her.

Wendy (22:46.669)
which I'm assuming is Alexia because who else is gonna stop her? Right? So two hours and five tequila shots later, Larsa.

Kelli (22:50.274)
Right, she seems to be the Queen Bee.

Kelli (23:00.462)
You don't realize how those tequila shots sneak up on you.

Wendy (23:05.943)
Larsa is calling Alexia and Julia and Marisol and telling them that she's taking pictures for OnlyFans so that she can pay her bills.

Kelli (23:16.024)
How about when Lisa said, Lars is on OnlyFans, probably talking to other people's husbands?

Wendy (23:22.199)
I missed that. well, listen, I mean, she probably is, but that's not her fault. I mean, she's on all. I mean, if they're paying, I pay her bills. Yeah, that's not her fault. That's not her fault. But before she hangs up with them, she does flash her boob at them.

Kelli (23:23.47)
Oh yeah. I was like, oof!

Kelli (23:29.76)
Listen, she said she's gotta pay her bills. Exactly, she has to pay her bills, yep. Nope, go ahead, go ahead, yep.

Kelli (23:44.792)
Julia looked very happy when she did that. Julia's like, I'm so happy I'm in the cool girls group now.

Wendy (23:45.146)
which.

Yes. Yep. Yes, she did.

Wendy (23:56.164)
Yeah

The next morning we see Stephanie shows up at Marisol's suite and I had no idea why she was dressed like that until I found out. Yes, I was like, like they didn't give us any context and all of sudden she's knocking on the door and I'm like, what is going on? She absolutely looked great. I know. So they're doing an 80s workout. Marisol's not participating. Shocker.

Kelli (24:06.094)
Like aerobic Barbie. I'm like what's going on?

Kelli (24:15.49)
I know, she looked great, but I was like, she looks like aerobics Barbie.

Wendy (24:28.623)
and they were talking about those two are talking about fixing things, you know, between the ladies and Stephanie is telling her that, she was hurt by, Marisol because she thought that, you know, everything was good between her and Marisol. And then when Marisol and Alexia didn't come on the plane, you know, she was getting two different like stories, right? Like Alexia was saying one reason we weren't going and Marisol was saying another reason.

You know, Marisol's like, well, you know, you say that maybe they wouldn't, you know, we wouldn't take them back if they misbehave. And Stephanie's like, well, I just thought like I was in a safe place, like with you guys. And Marisol's like, there's no safe places. was just like, Marisol's giving good advice. There's no safe places.

Kelli (25:20.632)
So I felt like Marisol was very honest. And she said, there's no safe places. She said, I'm not mad at you and I really like you. And then Stephanie like apologizes, like I don't want it to seem like I'm dangling things in front of me. I thought it was a very honest conversation and I didn't think that Marisol was denying anything. And then eight hours later, Alexia is telling Stephanie how

Wendy (25:23.972)
No, I did too.

Wendy (25:42.82)
Right.

Kelli (25:48.447)
angry Marisol was like, I feel like they were trying to edit it and I don't ever believe editing for anything, but I feel like they were trying to edit it to make it seem that Marisol wasn't being honest in that conversation and whatever Alexia was now telling Stephanie was like very hurtful because she's like, but I just had this great conversation with Marisol. Did you get that impression?

Wendy (26:08.987)
I absolutely did. And I completely agree with you. Like I thought her and Marisol had a very good, honest conversation. Marisol was very, I felt gentle, but firm with Stephanie. And Stephanie, felt received it, apologized, and they were moving forward. And then like you said, we cut to Alexia saying something totally different than what Marisol had just said to her. And I'm just like,

Kelli (26:16.343)
Yeah.

Wendy (26:36.987)
I don't know, I just, I don't like when they do this. yes, and we don't know, like the next day Stephanie's talking to Adriana and she says she feels like Marisol is a jealous demon disguised as a loyal friend. So.

Kelli (26:41.528)
I know it was really odd.

Kelli (26:55.83)
Right, so whatever Alexia said to her, wasn't good.

Wendy (26:59.907)
Right, right, right. And I feel like this is where there's problems. And we kind of see it with Alexia and Marisol in the after show when they're talking about the show.

Kelli (27:13.794)
I didn't watch it because I had just watched this before we came on.

Wendy (27:17.339)
No, I'm not even referring to any specific after show. I'm just talking about in the after shows in general, because they're kind of like, Alexia got mad at Marisol when she saw that, you know, the girl said, you're a different person when I'm not around and she didn't feel like Marisol had her back enough. Alexia got mad at Marisol when she felt like Marisol was talking too much and Alexia couldn't give, like Alexia was on Marisol. And I think that-

Kelli (27:43.113)
You know what I want to say, but I don't want to say it because I get accused of talking about it so much, but she's just so much like Teresa. And I really think that Marisol, I really think that Marisol will not fuck with Alexia because she thinks she won't have a place on the show. Because she technically is just a friend of, even though she's always there, she has a confessional, she's on the after show, she's just as much of a housewife and as well as Kiki, as the other girl, and Adriana.

but they're considered friends of and I really think that she relies on her alliance with Alexia to stay on the show. So she's gonna back down to Alexia.

Wendy (28:22.597)
I don't know about that because I did see Marisol or heard Marisol on a podcast. I'm trying to think of whose it was. she, her and Alexia really are friends. They really do talk every day. They really are friends when the show was filming, when the show was not filming. had the, many years break? They were still friends. As a matter of fact, if I'm not mistaken,

Kelli (28:36.556)
Yeah. I believe it.

Wendy (28:50.907)
I think it was Alexia when they first started filming. If Marisol wasn't filming, Alexia wasn't gonna be able to film. Like that was with Herman when Alexia was with Herman. Yeah, I mean, they are that close. I don't think that, and also I really thought that Marisol wanted the full-time position, but she made it very clear on that podcast. And I 100 % agree with her.

She gets confessionals, they film in her house, she runs events. She does everything a full-time housewife does. It doesn't matter to her. It doesn't matter to her.

Kelli (29:25.198)
She's getting paid. She's definitely getting paid.

Kelli (29:32.268)
Right. I feel like on Miami, there's not much of a difference between a housewife and a friend of. We see just as much of Kiki and Adriana and Marisol as we do the rest of them.

Wendy (29:39.129)
Well,

Wendy (29:44.399)
The only thing I will say is Adriana and Kiki, haven't seen their home life, right? And we haven't seen either one of them throw events.

Kelli (29:49.752)
now.

Kelli (29:53.967)
But we have seen Kiki's kids, Kiki with her kids. And Adriana's son's probably away at school and he's probably somewhere fabulous for school, you know? Or just married and living his life.

Wendy (29:57.293)
Yes, we have seen Kiki with her kids. Well, yes, yes. Right.

Wendy (30:08.995)
Right. I don't know. I thought that Marisol really wanted that full-time mojito, but I don't think she cares. I really don't think she cares.

Kelli (30:21.07)
I mean, I don't think she needs the money, right? Like I think she was very well off and then, you know, poor mama Elsa passed and she and her brother got all, I don't know. I mean, I just, always looked at Marisol. I always thought she was one of the wealthiest of the Miami housewives. Like she had like generational money.

Wendy (30:26.083)
I don't, yeah, I don't.

Wendy (30:40.163)
I did too. Yeah, I did too. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know, we're gonna have to wait and see what happens. But Stephanie does say to Adriana, the message is if you're gonna come for me, you better hit a bullseye because when it's my turn, I don't miss. I was like, boy. That wasn't chill nautical, Stephanie. No. That was not. No.

Kelli (30:58.712)
That was savage. That was pretty savage.

Kelli (31:05.112)
That was not an article, Stephanie.

They're still on the boat, but that was not nautical Stephanie. Yeah. We will see what happens. I'm curious to see what next week brings with that conversation with Alexia and Stephanie, because that was a total 180, which she said about Marisol from the night before.

Wendy (31:17.019)
We're gonna have to wait and see what happens.

Wendy (31:28.409)
Yeah, it really was.

Kelli (31:30.57)
I do think that Marisol and Alexia are a little envious of Stephanie personally. This is what I wanted to ask. Do you have any idea, is Anna the one who has the podcast, the one who said all the stuff about Stephanie and all the things that the house is gonna crumble and all this stuff? Do you know if she is close with Marisol and Alexia, Anna? Like did they leave on good terms? I know she didn't get along with somebody, but I don't remember who.

Wendy (31:57.275)
Oh no, think it was Alexia.

Kelli (32:00.107)
Okay, because I thought if she's friends with Alexia Marisol, she's probably delivering this message, you know.

Wendy (32:04.781)
Who showed up, wasn't it Anna? Wait, wait. Who showed up at the Mother's Day that Dr. Nicole was throwing and Alexia Marisol lost it?

Kelli (32:14.8)
maybe it was Anna.

Wendy (32:16.387)
Wasn't it Anna?

Kelli (32:18.752)
I think so because she's a lawyer and know, Anthony Nicole's, Dr. Nicole's partner is a lawyer. I think there was some kind of connection there.

Wendy (32:23.509)
I think, yeah, Alexia, yeah, I think, yeah, I do not think.

Kelli (32:29.866)
Yeah, I think you're right. that's not it. Then she's not she's not doing their dirty work.

Wendy (32:32.984)
Yeah.

No, no. I was just thinking that I have to listen to her too, because I just, yeah, I haven't listened to her in a while. I got to see what she's talking about. Because I believe what she says.

Kelli (32:37.622)
I gotta start listening to her more.

Kelli (32:46.604)
I'm in the middle of, yeah, I'm in the middle of listening to Tamara and Eddie on Jeff Lewis.

Wendy (32:55.835)
no, when did that drop? didn't even see it in my thing.

Kelli (32:56.152)
Did you hear it yet?

Kelli (33:00.75)
It could possibly have just been today. I'm in the middle of it. So we'll talk about that when we talk about Osei Eddie's on it, too. Yeah Yeah, and he said something about Katie I was like Settled he said well look how hard Katie came for Heather last year with that whole paparazzi story She didn't come hard for Heather. She said at one time Stop it Eddie

Wendy (33:03.471)
Okay.

Eddie actually Tamra's husband. Interesting.

Wendy (33:27.691)
No, Tamra and Gina are the one who perpetuated that.

Kelli (33:31.999)
Absolutely. Before we hang up, let's talk about our fave, Danielle Cabral at the VMAs last night going live and not saying a lot, but saying a lot about upcoming Jersey. So we know they're test filming and we're gonna see Halloween, Thanksgiving, Christmas. We've been saying it since we've been doing the podcast. We love that. We love the holidays in Jersey.

Wendy (33:39.3)
Yes.

Kelli (34:00.921)
So I'm so happy we're gonna see that. she said, so they were like, where do you think end of this year, beginning of next year? And she said, you're gonna see it sooner than you think. I feel like she's coming back and I hope she is. She said the fans are gonna be really happy. I hope Rachel's coming back. I have noticed that Rachel and Danielle haven't been with.

Wendy (34:12.069)
That's what she said.

Kelli (34:27.148)
the other wives really. Like I feel like Margaret and Melissa have still spent time together. Dolores and Margaret and Melissa, you we know we're not seeing a lot of Teresa, but I'm not convinced that that means Teresa's not coming back. I'm not, I'm not counting her out.

Wendy (34:43.937)
No, I'm not either because I have a, I don't know. wouldn't, I would not be surprised if she still comes back. I really wouldn't. Despite what, what people are, you know, the rumors that are out there, I would not be surprised. You know, when Danielle was live, she said, Dolo, cause I went on live with her and I asked her, are you near Melissa and Joe? And she's like, we're there. They're in the same section and Dolo.

Kelli (34:51.404)
Yep. Yep.

Kelli (34:57.152)
Me neither.

Wendy (35:11.941)
came on and said hi and she said, Dolo, why aren't you here? So I think, and I don't know, but I think that she was in, she's been in Rhode Island. I think she's been in Rhode Island recently. So she may have been in Rhode Island. And I know that they were filming there. And I know that Kim D did a book signing in Rhode Island because I saw, and Dolo was there and the Rhode Island New Housewives were there. So.

Kelli (35:23.586)
Yeah.

Kelli (35:40.204)
at the book signing. So Kim D is gonna be on Real Housewives of Rhode Island. I mean, at least she's gonna get one scene of a book signing.

Wendy (35:41.494)
at the book signing.

Wendy (35:45.805)
Well, I don't know that she's gonna be on

Well, maybe or maybe not, you know, maybe not. no, I mean, it's, yeah, within the last year, it's about, you know, it's about her, her, her life. I wasn't gonna say that, but no, I think she just, I mean, she's been talking about it forever.

Kelli (35:52.77)
When did she write a book? Did she recently write a book?

Kelli (36:01.718)
Mafia family, But I thought that came out years ago.

Kelli (36:10.862)
maybe that's what I'm thinking of.

Wendy (36:12.621)
She's been talking about it for a long time, but it just recently came out. It just recently came out. No, I know you're not. I'm not reading it either, but I don't read books. I know, no, I'm not reading it. But yeah, and I only know that because I saw on one of the sites, like one of the fans had posted a picture at the book signing in Rhode Island with Dolores in the picture and Kim D. And they were naming the other.

Kelli (36:16.746)
okay. I'm not reading it.

Kelli (36:23.436)
Yeah, no, I'll know, I'll read a book but especially if it's

Wendy (36:42.991)
Rhode Island housewives that were there. was like, because I'm actually not even

Kelli (36:45.71)
Do we know the connection yet with Dolores and these Rhode Island housewives? Do we know the connection?

Wendy (36:52.463)
no, I didn't, I haven't really, I did start to research it a long time ago, but then I was like, my, my bandwidth can't handle that until we get closer to it. Cause I'll just forget it.

Kelli (37:03.054)
I'll try to dig a little something up. We need to plan our Envy outing. So if anybody, because I'm a foodie, I like to eat, Wendy could take or leave it. But if we're gonna drive to Envy from Brick, New Jersey, it's over an hour. So I was trying to see if we could actually go to Rail's Steakhouse.

Wendy (37:13.912)
Okay.

Wendy (37:20.545)
Yeah.

Kelli (37:32.34)
and envy. I don't know how close they are, but if somebody from that area could let us know, if going to Rails and envy in the same day is doable if it's not from brick, because we're like an hour and 20 away, or if not, tell us where to go eat near envy. Because we're not going to just go to the store and come home, we're going to want to do something else, and I like to eat.

Wendy (37:34.213)
Can we?

Wendy (37:52.453)
Yeah.

Wendy (37:57.049)
Yes, that's yeah. And yeah, I like to drink, so I'll drink.

Kelli (38:01.518)
Exactly. And we're not opposed to bring your own because we will bring our own.

Wendy (38:07.831)
Yes, that's true. That's very true. That would be great.

Kelli (38:09.644)
Yeah, so if anybody could suggest. But I'm super excited for Jersey. We just said it the last pod, like we need Jersey back. This has been way too long. I just want Danielle and Rachel in the package, please. Bravo.

Wendy (38:16.207)
We definitely need Jersey back.

Wendy (38:24.963)
I have a feeling we're not gonna get Rachel. That's my gut. That's my gut, but you know what? I'd... She has so much going on. I know.

Kelli (38:27.262)
I hate that. I hate that. She's got so much going on though. Her oldest son went away to college. They have the new baby. Her daughters are adorable. Her husband is the number one guy in the group. Needs a close second. Well, know, Joe, Joe was like the OG number one guy in the group, but I feel like, you know.

Wendy (38:38.839)
I know. They are so cute.

Well, don't tell Joe that. Don't tell Joe that.

Wendy (38:52.135)
speaking of Joe, next week we are going to the the page six virtual reality awards in New York City at City Winery and Joe Gorka won the plus one award for I guess being the best plus one. So I imagine we will be seeing Joe next week. Well, Melissa will be there. So Melissa will definitely be there. Candice Dillard will be there.

Kelli (39:06.936)
Yeah.

Kelli (39:10.988)
Yeah.

I hope so.

Kelli (39:20.337)
I love Candice.

Wendy (39:21.791)
I think she's singing, which I'm excited for. And Alexia and Marisol will be there. So maybe we'll be bringing back some good tea about that next week for you. I do too.

Kelli (39:24.15)
Awesome.

Kelli (39:34.337)
I hope so.

Wendy (39:38.297)
So until next time, thank you for watching and listening. Please subscribe and give us five star reviews. Bye.

Kelli (39:44.217)
Bye.