RHOC-Wendy’s Woes & The Hoedown Blowdown

Wendy (00:01.518)
Welcome to We Wine Whenever, I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:03.933)
I'm Kelly.

Wendy (00:05.912)
So we're going to be talking about Real Housewives of Orange County, but first we need to address the giant news that came out on Friday. We're recording this on Sunday about Wendy Osefo and Edward, which is what he's referred to in all the court documents, Edward Osefo. This is craziness.

Kelli (00:25.204)
Yeah.

Kelli (00:30.728)
wild.

Wendy (00:31.96)
crazy.

Kelli (00:33.588)
I mean, so we don't know if they were robbed, if they weren't robbed, they said they were robbed and they put down a lot of stolen items accumulating to what, over $400,000, all of them?

Wendy (00:48.543)
over $450,000.

Kelli (00:50.854)
Yeah. So, and then allegedly what the cop saw her wearing, one of the pieces of jewelry that she had said was stolen.

I mean, I'm shocked because, you know, we love Wendy and Eddie and they seem like very intelligent people. So if this is true that they did this, it's a very not smart move. It's a very unintelligent thing to do.

Wendy (01:23.026)
It really is. So I watched the police press conference and they made the report after they returned from vacation. They were on vacation, family vacation in Jamaica and they said that they were broken into and jewelry and expensive handbags were stolen. When the police arrived on scene, they had a security system and they had a ring camera, ring doorbell.

Kelli (01:28.82)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (01:53.51)
And there was no motion in the house from the security system, so the alarm was not set off and there was nothing from the ring doorbell. The other thing that was said was that they came through the bedroom window from the roof and the bedroom window was unlocked, but when the police were on scene and doing the investigation, there was no disturbance on the roof. The grass had been freshly cut. And when the officer did the entrance from the roof,

to the bathroom, there was roof material on the bottom of his shoes that fell onto the floor, onto the toilet seat, which is how he entered. And none of that was there when they got on scene. The bedroom was ransacked. I'm actually, I'm pretty sure they were not robbed. It leads to the fact that they were not robbed.

Kelli (02:43.454)
Yeah.

Kelli (02:47.58)
Yeah, it's not looking good. mean, listen, I'm here for it to not be true. Like, I want them to be innocent. I don't want this to be true. Right now, it doesn't look good. But, you know, we've seen crazy, crazy shit go down on Bravo, so.

Wendy (03:05.206)
We have seen crazy shit go down on Bravo.

Kelli (03:08.948)
They're just such smart people. They're both very intelligent. just, I can't imagine how they would think they would get away with this. Yeah, like this is, mean, you're going to lose, you know, your license to practice law. mean, you know, he's not going to be able to continue selling happy Eddie, right? If he, if he's, found guilty of this would be a felony.

Wendy (03:13.806)
They're both attorneys!

Wendy (03:36.014)
it's several felonies.

Kelli (03:38.096)
Right, so you're gonna lose that. You're gonna put all of that on the line? For a fake burger? I just, it's hard for me to believe that this is true, so I really hope it's not. But after that police...

Wendy (03:43.96)
Yeah.

Kelli (03:55.598)
you know, conference. It's not looking good.

Wendy (03:59.64)
I mean, like I said, they are both attorneys. She also has her PhD. These are very well-educated professor, very well-educated people. to make a misstep like this, send... mean, Eddie sent her an email asking if we could add anything to the claim to get to the maximum that was allowed. And that was her...

Kelli (04:06.324)
Yeah. Professor.

Kelli (04:26.78)
Allegedly. Yeah.

Wendy (04:28.426)
not was there one insurance claim, there was three insurance claims. And not only did that happen, but on those claims were items of jewelry that were purchased with receipts and returned to the stores for full refunds prior to the alleged break-in. So this was a, I mean,

Kelli (04:33.961)
Yes.

Wendy (04:55.182)
Kind of a well thought out plan, but not really. I mean, this was definitely not just like, let's just figure this out because they had been returned and purchased way before the break, the alleged break in. And on the first episode of the season, Wendy is telling us last week that happy Eddie is doing so well that they can pick and choose what they need to do. So she's leading us to believe. Yeah.

Kelli (05:17.81)
Well, if this is true, then they chose to do the wrong thing because it's, mean, I would imagine, would they see jail time, you think, if found guilty?

Wendy (05:28.814)
16 charges. Yes, they will say yes there will be absolutely Eight actually She faces 16 charges Wendy faces 16 charges and Eddie faces 18 charges and This already went to the grand jury. So this already went to the grand jury and they were indicted and Then when they did the search of the residents they found They found 15 of the items that they listed as stolen

Kelli (05:35.346)
Yeah, so that's very foolish.

Wendy (05:58.478)
15 of them.

Kelli (06:02.194)
I just can't imagine how they thought they would get away with this.

Wendy (06:09.678)
I listen, it just blows my mind. It blows my mind. And then I just want to mention another thing. So Candace, Candace Dillard Bassett was live on the air when this news came out. She was doing an interview, I believe with Fox News. And they asked her about it, but she didn't, it wasn't this much information out at the time. All they knew was there was a charge with, you know, a felony charge, which is greater than $300.

Kelli (06:32.052)
Right.

Wendy (06:37.538)
So that's all she knew and she was speaking on that and know, $300 is nothing but right. So that's basically what she was saying and she felt like that it was targeted because of, listen, I think that if she was spoken to after all the facts were out, it would have been a totally different conversation. So I just want to put that out there. If anyone heard Candice's interview, it was not an interview that I'm sure she would give after she had the information.

Kelli (06:41.234)
Right. Nothing.

Kelli (07:03.346)
honestly she's Wendy's friend. She's probably not going to say much anyway. You know I just saw a clip of Ashley. Did you send it or did cousin Gina send it? Yeah. I mean you know of course you know Ashley's not surprised and you know I'm sure if they asked Giselle she'd have a very strong opinion but Candice isn't going to say anything negative. Wendy's her friend. So and quite honestly nobody should be saying anything right now.

Wendy (07:10.944)
I did send it. No, I sent it, yeah.

Wendy (07:24.472)
Yeah.

Wendy (07:28.256)
Right. Well, the Ashley clip I sent you, I believe she was performing someplace live, you know, doing her Ashley singing or whatever.

Kelli (07:33.49)
Yeah. Zen Wen is in the pen. That's what she said. Get out of here, Ashley.

Wendy (07:38.67)
I, yeah, I think she was asked and you know, she said, you all it's a surprise to you all, but we, you know, we, we knew she said, we like, knew. So I wonder, you know, we see these, the other thing is, Bravo put out supposedly. Allegedly, or we'll find out tonight that all the scenes in Real Housewives of Potomac with Wendy will be edited out and her confessionals will be not shown.

Kelli (08:05.108)
You can't possibly.

Wendy (08:08.62)
Well, it's airing tonight, so we'll see what happens.

Kelli (08:11.7)
They can't possibly take her out of the show. You're gonna have no show. She's a main member, a main cast member. There's no way they can take her out of the show. Not airing her wife swap episode, I understand. But how are you editing her out of the show?

Wendy (08:26.168)
So they, yeah, that's the other thing. So yeah, they are not airing the Wiveswap episode as of now. So I was listening to Ryan Bailey this morning and he was saying that he was supposed to be having an interview next week. So he got the screener for Wiveswap. And as soon as he heard the news on Friday, he went to go download it and sign into it to watch it.

and they pulled it already. So we didn't get a chance to watch it. So it had been sent out already. So I imagine there are some people that actually did get to see it. Some people that get screeners. mean, the screeners are under an NDA, so they cannot speak of it, even if they did see it. But as far as them pulling the wife swap episode, I feel like that is such a disservice to the family that she swapped with.

Kelli (09:02.473)
Yeah.

Kelli (09:07.398)
Right. Right.

Wendy (09:18.882)
You know what, whether they got paid or not is not the issue. You you went to someone's house, you went to their hometown, you met their family. You know, I'm sure that we've already seen trailers, we've already seen teasers. Their friends and family all know, they were looking forward to this day. Like this was gonna be their 15 minutes of fame. And now it's gone because of these actions. So I actually,

Kelli (09:36.948)
Bye now.

Yeah.

Wendy (09:48.778)
urge Bravo to rethink that and air the episode because this was filmed last year. This was filmed last year. And I can guarantee.

Kelli (09:56.307)
Yeah. Well, they probably can't pay. Maybe they can't pay her for it.

Wendy (10:01.58)
Well, why, I mean, why can't they pay her?

Kelli (10:04.658)
Yeah, I don't know.

Wendy (10:05.954)
I mean, it. Air it. And even if she says something incriminating, can subpoena that episode. They can subpoena all that. She's under indictment. She's under indictment. That can all be subpoenaed. So it's not like it's not gonna be available to the prosecutors. They can get all that. They can get all that. It won't be available to us, but they certainly aired Karen.

Kelli (10:07.742)
Yeah.

Kelli (10:20.22)
Right. Right.

Kelli (10:31.293)
Yeah.

Wendy (10:35.244)
When she after she was arrested.

Kelli (10:36.542)
This is what I don't understand. Karen had a whole season after being arrested for her fourth DUI to, you know, give her side or redeem herself or whatever. She didn't. But she had a whole season while, while legal actions were pending. So I don't understand. She wasn't found guilty yet. Wendy.

Wendy (10:48.355)
Right.

Wendy (10:55.469)
Yeah.

Wendy (10:59.158)
Exactly, exactly, innocent until proven guilty. And I will still say that you are innocent until proven guilty. And they did make a statement. They made a statement that they were home safe and sound with their family and that they look forward to presenting their defense in court and to give them this time of privacy, them privacy, which okay, we can do that. But I am curious to see what happens with the episode tonight. Very curious.

Kelli (11:03.44)
Yeah!

Yeah, I don't get it.

Kelli (11:20.124)
Right. Yeah, no, I got no problem with that.

Kelli (11:28.008)
Yeah, me too, me too. I don't think they can take her out of it, but we'll see, we'll see.

Wendy (11:32.142)
We'll see. So let's talk about, let's move on. Let's talk about the season 19 episode number 14, the hoedown throwdown.

Kelli (11:42.152)
I guess it was appropriate.

Wendy (11:43.988)
Yeah, it was appropriate that that's a good title for this one.

Kelli (11:47.27)
Yeah. Very dramatic opening scene, wasn't it? Very dramatic.

Wendy (11:52.762)
Yeah. Yeah, so we start out at the restaurant Verde with Katie and Tamar are sitting down and they give us like clip-its and snippets of a conversation, but nothing real. And then we go to 24 hours earlier. Okay, not necessary. I totally hate that. I hate that.

Kelli (12:09.948)
I know, I know, right. Right, because then we see Emily with Gretchen and it's like, all right, was this 24 hours earlier too or is this right now? Like it's very misleading.

Wendy (12:21.996)
Right. It is very misleading. I mean, I think that that's what was 24 hours earlier, but who knows?

Kelli (12:28.38)
Right, who knows?

Wendy (12:30.38)
So Emily and Gretchen are together and Emily is planning the fundraiser, her line dancing event for the cow... Yeah. They're at this cowboy store and they're adorning hats, like to make their own custom hats for this event. This event is specifically to raise money for Anthony. He is someone that they, in exoneree.

Kelli (12:37.684)
to make it fun of what Gretchen was wearing.

Wendy (12:57.164)
that he wants to go to school to be a diesel mechanic and the school is expensive. So they're raising money for his education fund so that it'll help him pay for school to get reeducated, which is an awesome. Yes, we did. We did.

Kelli (13:07.624)
Yeah, we saw him in a prior season, Anthony. Yeah.

Wendy (13:13.422)
And then we see Tamar meets up with Gina and Gina's telling Tamar that last night when she was at her house, like, you know, she was having bit of a breakdown and this was her cake decorating party. And it reminded Gina of the last time she saw Tamar like that was in 2019 at Vicki's engagement party. And we literally, and I totally forgot about this. We literally see Tamar in the bushes, freaking out. Freaking out! I mean,

Kelli (13:41.684)
I'm not gonna judge her because I was pretty lit last night. I drank too much, but that scene of her in the bushes is hysterical. It's just so funny. Like she literally went and hid in the bushes.

Wendy (13:53.058)
It really-

I know. I know. I mean, I totally forgot about that.

Kelli (14:00.86)
and wouldn't come out. That was so funny. But Gina tries to be rational with Tamara. You can't be rational with Tamara. I don't know why these women still think that they can be rational with Tamara. You just can't. She's not gonna get past the fact that Heather and Emily said that they don't trust her, even though it's very clear as to why they wouldn't trust her. She's not a rational person.

Wendy (14:13.004)
I agree.

Wendy (14:27.084)
Right, no, she's definitely not. And she's having this conversation with her just as Heather's walking up, because Heather's meeting up with them as well. And so Heather gets there, and Gene is telling Heather that Tamara feels completely overwhelmed. And when anything happens to her with her real friends, it's just too much. Heather's like, I understand that. I love you.

Kelli (14:37.246)
Yeah.

Wendy (14:56.12)
Heather's still trying to, I think, be a good friend.

Kelli (15:00.148)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (15:02.88)
I don't know. I watched the after show. Even in the after show, feel like Tamara's still trying. mean, Heather does the after show with Shannon and Tamara does it with Gretchen and Emily. I feel like Heather's still trying to be a good friend to Tamara, like this whole season.

Kelli (15:20.414)
Well, she's definitely trying to stay on good terms with her.

Wendy (15:24.034)
But Tamar doesn't even acknowledge it and she doesn't even see it. Like, it's, which just kind of blows my mind.

Wendy (15:33.07)
So Heather tries to explain to Tamara what her situation is. And she's like, you know, I already explained to you, but I'll explain it to you again. And then Tamara flips out again. She's like, you know, yeah. I mean, why? Like, why? Do you not, I guess you don't want the, because she never was able to give it. She was never able to give the explanation. So.

Kelli (15:46.622)
Don't be condescending.

Wendy (16:01.122)
Tamra's big thing now at this point is the fact that you did this, you and Emily had this conversation in front of Gretchen. Like that's what now is making her really mad. Not that, not even so much that they said that they were afraid of her or that they didn't trust her, is that they did it in front of Gretchen.

Kelli (16:18.132)
That's the whole problem. doesn't care about them. They're not her real friends, but cameras aren't rolling. They're not hanging out. So she doesn't care. I think that prior to the season starting, they all had this thing where Tamara had everybody on her side and they were gonna go after Gretchen for Tamara. They were gonna go after Katie for everybody else.

Wendy (16:19.8)
Right.

Wendy (16:47.64)
Yeah.

Kelli (16:48.132)
Even though Tamra, that's why I think Emily got so pissed off last week where she's like, you're, you're going to go sit with Katie. You're going to go talk with Katie. Okay. But Tamra's pissed off that Emily and Heather spent time with Gretchen and said negative things about her. Cause that wasn't probably part of the plan in the beginning of the season.

Wendy (17:04.981)
Right. Right. No, you're absolutely right. And even Emily's having this conversation with Gretchen while they're doing the hats. And Emily says to Gretchen that, know, Tamar reached out to Katie and she's going to meet with her and how pissed off she is about that. And Emily and Gretchen are arguing about it, like whether Emily was a participant in the play the song thing, because that's what Gretchen, you know, Gretchen brings up and, you know,

Emily says, you and Tamar, you're always pulling out your phones and you're always going at each other. And you guys are both the same. You're both doing the same thing. And Emily gets all pissed off in this scene and she like, she walks out. Which I thought was odd, because Emily's not usually the one to walk out.

Kelli (17:43.7)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (17:53.929)
Well, and Gretchen also said that Emily was all over the Tamra recording and pushing for the info. And that's when Emily got up and left. But she's 100 % right. That's exactly what happened. So Emily can dish it, she just can't take it. Name is Tamra, actually.

Wendy (18:01.463)
Which she was.

Wendy (18:06.018)
Right.

Wendy (18:11.168)
Right. Yeah, which actually, like I said, I was very surprised to see Emily walk out. But then later on in the episode, we see that she came back, which again, this pisses me off.

Kelli (18:21.17)
Yeah. I thought we saw her come back right here here now. No.

Wendy (18:25.383)
No, no, much later in the episode, much later in the episode, which is if we saw it right now, I wouldn't be pissed off.

Kelli (18:32.052)
I'm, it's so, the production of OC is so frustrating. Is this Alex Baskin? Yeah, I don't like this guy at all.

Wendy (18:39.831)
Yeah.

Wendy (18:44.428)
Yeah, this is what aggravates me about this.

Kelli (18:46.098)
I think he wants to be a housewife, but he's this the production of this show is terrible terrible I don't feel that way about any of the other ones

Wendy (18:56.118)
Yeah, no, well, I guess we'll have to wait and see once Beverly Hills starts, Aaron, because Alex Baskin does Beverly Hills also. Yeah.

Kelli (19:04.466)
Yeah, like the withholding of scenes is very frustrating.

Wendy (19:08.192)
No, but you know what? Other franchises are doing it too. Potomac is doing it.

Kelli (19:11.316)
Salt Lake's not.

Kelli (19:16.464)
I haven't seen it in Salt Lake.

Wendy (19:18.19)
All right, Miami's definitely done it. Miami has done it all season. Miami has done it. And that's one of the things that aggravates me. Then we see Shannon, she's bringing Archie over to Jen's house because they were going to have a pet psychic there. This was such good TV. Honestly, like I said, this what I like. mean, just Shannon walking in the house with Archie pooping all over the place and Shannon trying to catch, just to get.

Kelli (19:24.532)
I don't like it. I don't like it at all.

Kelli (19:35.572)
This was amazing.

It was so good. Me too.

Wendy (19:47.106)
Just picking up all the poop was a chore for Shannon, just because of who she is.

Kelli (19:52.177)
It was so funny. mean, Jen's dogs, I mean, we didn't really get much from them. But Archie, the list of questions Shannon had for Archie and Archie's just out on the deck like, shut up. this woman is driving me bananas.

Wendy (20:04.698)
my god.

Wendy (20:12.204)
Yep.

Wendy (20:18.516)
It was so funny. It was so funny. As a matter of fact, I actually wrote down all the questions. And one of the questions that she asked was, does he like going to the park or running on a leash? Shannon said, I know the answer. He wants to run around. Like you asked the question and you answered it.

Kelli (20:33.652)
You

And how about when she said, he, he's, he's, he's bringing up the long drawn out goodbyes when you leave the house.

Wendy (20:46.155)
Yeah, yes, yes, and then they show it then they show it Or or this is a weird one. Why is he afraid of boxes and plastic bags? Well, he says you keep on moving Have you moved like three times and Shannon's like maybe more?

Kelli (21:04.914)
He was just so damn happy she had somebody else to talk to. He's like, I'm just gonna chill out here on the deck. They can figure this all out.

Wendy (21:06.382)
my God.

Wendy (21:13.4)
But now she's got to get, because the pet psychic said Archie needs a brother. But not a puppy, not a puppy. You've to get an older dog, Archie does not want puppy energy in the house. And Shannon's like, well, that's a lot of poop.

Kelli (21:17.498)
He wants a brother. Get on it, Shannon.

Kelli (21:32.158)
That was a good scene. I enjoyed that.

Wendy (21:33.102)
I did too. So after that scene, then we go back to their day with Tamara and Katie. You know, they sit down, you know, with pleasantries. How are you? I've been better. They both say that. Katie says, you know, I took a step back from the situation and it makes me sad. You know, I really miss my friendship with Jen. And I believe that. I believe that her and Jen were really friends.

Kelli (21:42.292)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (21:59.54)
I do too.

Wendy (22:02.882)
This is about this whole situation. What I'm sad about is the her and Jen friendship. can't stand Gretchen anymore. mean, not that I ever could stand her. When I found out she was coming back to the OC, I was like, good, she'll give Tamra a run for her money. But she has, but I didn't expect her to take Jen down with her. That's what happened. I didn't expect her, you know?

Kelli (22:18.258)
Right. Which she has. Which she has.

Kelli (22:28.338)
I honestly think that Jen wants to just keep, Jen just wants to secure her spot here and she's gonna, she's gonna go where the numbers are. You know, there's strength in numbers and Jen wants to be on the show. She needs that paycheck. I don't blame her, but it's just, you know, it is sad to see her and Katie's friendship fall like that.

Wendy (22:50.21)
Now what?

It is.

Kelli (22:57.822)
hammer starts fake crying right away.

Wendy (22:59.98)
Yep. She's the odd man out.

What?

Kelli (23:08.852)
I mean the victim role, she really takes this role serious. The victim.

Wendy (23:15.552)
She does, she does. Tamar said, Slade called Matt and said to tell you, we can't talk about this. And she said, well, Slade's exact words were, tell her to stick to the story, tell her not to waver, that's the nail in her coffin. She has to stick to the story because it's a legal issue. So Katie, first of all, she thought she was covering for her friend and she thought that like there was something

that she was gonna get in trouble for when they said it was a legal issue.

Kelli (23:50.805)
Well, because it very well could be a legal issue if you're accusing someone of drugging you. I mean, even though it was 17 years ago, you know.

Wendy (23:55.978)
Right. Yeah.

Wendy (24:03.489)
Yeah, exactly.

Kelli (24:03.838)
But quite honestly, if it were a legal issue for Tamra, it would be a legal issue for Bravo.

Wendy (24:11.126)
Yeah, it would be.

Wendy (24:15.562)
So then we go to Travis and Gina. It's just a short little episode.

Kelli (24:19.454)
Well, wait, real quick, Matt said he was gonna reach out to Slade to have a sit down. So we didn't see the full conversation. So this might be another surprise that we see.

Wendy (24:26.029)
Right.

Wendy (24:31.328)
Yeah, it probably will be. It probably will be and it will probably be at the reunion.

Kelli (24:33.14)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (24:38.494)
Probably. I hope so. They started filming right because Andy posted a picture of himself Sitting there with the cards. I think they fit might have filmed it

Wendy (24:40.536)
because he-

Wendy (24:49.028)
that's interesting. I don't know, because Heather was on Watch What Happens Live this night and

Kelli (24:50.419)
I think.

Wendy (24:58.966)
Heather said, because they were talking about the Katie situation and Matt, and Heather said, well, I'd be curious to see the text messages because we saw a little bit of the text messages. She goes, I would like to see the text messages prior, you know, what was the whole threat. I don't want to just see to that small little snippet. And Andy said, well, that will be discussed at the reunion. And she said, will they be there? And Andy said, well, Katie will definitely be there.

Kelli (25:15.73)
Yeah, leading up.

Wendy (25:28.822)
And she said, what about Matt? And he said, well, that's to be determined. So I don't think that they did film it yet.

Kelli (25:37.62)
I thought I saw a post where he was holding cards.

Wendy (25:41.28)
All right, mean, either way, it's going to come up, whether it was filmed yet or not.

Kelli (25:44.818)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (25:50.358)
We see, like I said, we see the short little scene of Travis and Gina and her huge box of shoes. She needs to stop buying shoes. I don't, you know, who doesn't need to stop buying shoes? I mean, if you're woman, you have too many shoes. That's all I'm gonna say. Heather is at the Junior's Cookie and then she's doing a partnership to support the Trevor Projects. Trevor Project, which she was made aware of by her daughter, Katarina, about 10 years ago and she's partnered with them.

Kelli (26:03.476)
Yeah

Wendy (26:20.098)
They have a helpline for youth in crisis and it supports the LGBTQ plus IA community. And she gives us this fact that every 45 seconds, which this fact blew me away, an LGBTQIA kid tries to commit suicide. Every 45 seconds, that's horrible. So the Trevor Project urgently needs their funds so that they can stay. Absolutely, like that is a great,

Kelli (26:33.886)
Blew me away.

Kelli (26:39.464)
horrible.

Kelli (26:48.116)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (26:49.208)
That's a great cause.

Kelli (26:51.698)
and they donated 50,000.

Wendy (26:53.77)
Yep, they donated 50,000 and a proceed of all this, cookies from the sale of those cookies, the special one that she created is also going to that Trevor project, which is awesome. It was awesome.

Wendy (27:11.678)
Then we see Emily's at her house and Jasmine's there. She's the director of the Innocence Project and they're talking about the fundraiser and how they're trying to help these people reclaim their lives after they've been in prison for so long. And Emily talks about having a aftercare program because they don't really have that in place right now. And a couple people that are exonerees show up at her house.

Kelli (27:27.998)
Yeah.

Wendy (27:40.214)
and they're sitting around. Now again, this is a scene I really enjoyed.

Kelli (27:43.41)
Yeah, absolutely. I really do love that she gets involved with this.

Wendy (27:47.438)
Yeah, I do too. You know, we find out about some other exonerees. You know, we find out that Raphael is there and in 2000 he was accused of being a shooter in LA and he was in prison for 10 years. 10 years!

Kelli (28:01.864)
And he wasn't even in LA at the time that they alleged he was a shooter. I mean, it's horrible. And the one guy said that it happens to, you know, minorities. I'm sure more so. You know, it's disgusting.

Wendy (28:12.779)
Yeah.

It really is. Another one was arrested in 2006 for first degree murder in LA and he was in prison for 20 years. He says that, and I don't blame him, he's so grateful that it didn't break him because he lost 20 years of his life.

Kelli (28:33.896)
Yeah, he'll never get that time back.

Wendy (28:35.992)
I'll never get that time back. mean, these stories, honestly, they're heartbreaking. honestly, like, I would like to see a show about these stories, like a whole show. Like, why doesn't Bravo do a show about this?

Kelli (28:42.142)
Heartbreaking.

Kelli (28:49.33)
get like, doesn't Emily do that? Or even like on her podcast. Maybe she does on her podcast. Like I haven't listened to her podcast in a while because I was annoyed at her. She had, yeah, she should. This is what she should talk about. I would listen to that.

Wendy (28:51.457)
Yeah!

Wendy (28:55.895)
No.

Wendy (28:59.37)
No, I have listened to it. She doesn't do this kind of stuff.

Yeah, I mean, it should, there should be more awareness raised for this. There should be more money raised for this.

Kelli (29:11.826)
Maybe she can't, maybe she can't like talk about the specifics of the case.

I don't know. It's interesting and I think people would would watch it, listen to it. Yeah.

Wendy (29:22.497)
I don't know either, but...

Wendy (29:26.914)
I do too. do too. We see everyone's getting ready. I thought my favorite part of them getting ready was Jen asked Ryan what he's wearing and he said a cowboy hat and he may wear jorts. okay. No, I did too.

Kelli (29:45.503)
so funny. Thankfully he did not, but I thought that that was hysterical. Because Tess has a pair of those and her boyfriend rags on her when she wears them. Yeah. He's not a big fan and I don't blame him.

Wendy (29:55.951)
that's funny. He doesn't like the shorts.

Kelli (30:02.164)
How about Elizabeth Vargas? How great does she look?

Wendy (30:06.219)
Yeah, she does look great.

Kelli (30:08.39)
mind her at all. mean there was something odd about her story with the boyfriend and we've talked about this. He turned out to be a not good guy, right? Her boyfriend? Yeah. Now it's all coming back to

Wendy (30:17.129)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Wendy (30:22.972)
Yeah. No, I liked her too. I didn't really have a problem with her. I feel like we didn't really get to know her.

Kelli (30:29.266)
We didn't and I think that that's because she was in the middle of that divorce and you know like the whole thing like where she doesn't have sex with her boyfriend obviously she had to say that because it would have affected her divorce so I think I think her time on the show was bad timing for her because she couldn't disclose everything about her.

Wendy (30:38.603)
Right.

Wendy (30:46.144)
Yeah, I think you're right. I think you're right.

Kelli (30:49.192)
Yeah. Travis looked really good in that cowboy hat. He really did.

Wendy (30:53.678)
Yes, he did. He did.

Wendy (31:02.162)
So they all show up and Eddie does show up with Tamar. I was wondering if he was gonna show and he's wearing a hat. no, Tamar's not wearing a hat but.

Eddie is wearing a blazer and a plaid shirt. Like he wasn't really in the thing.

Kelli (31:28.122)
No, but neither was Shane, and his wife was the one hosting the event, so... You know?

Wendy (31:31.426)
That's true, that's true. We get, we get this, statistic, about 100,000 people are in prison for wrongfully convicted crimes. And these people have been exonerated because of DNA. And roughly, they have spent on average 14 years in prison for crimes that they didn't commit. I mean, that's just crazy. Heather and Terry show up.

and Terry's outfit with the long black jacket and the white shirt and the bolo tie was horrible. And I don't like to say this. I don't like to say this. Should I say it? I'm gonna say it. I thought that Terry looked very old. I think it was the outfit or the hair. I don't know.

Kelli (32:24.754)
Listen, I think that without the right lighting, I think a lot of these people look differently than how we see them on TV. So they need the proper lighting at all times.

Wendy (32:33.934)
Hmm.

Wendy (32:38.421)
Okay, that could be

Kelli (32:40.166)
And normally they have it, but maybe, maybe this night the proper lighting wasn't available.

Wendy (32:48.97)
Okay, that could be it. I just was surprised. Actually, I was a little taken back by it be quite honest with you. I was like, I don't remember him looking so old. I mean, I don't even know how old he is but

Kelli (32:57.78)
Yeah.

Kelli (33:01.49)
I don't either.

Wendy (33:02.646)
He's probably in his 60s.

Emily is, Shannon shows up in her long black duster. I thought she looked great.

Kelli (33:12.636)
I did too, I thought Shannon looked good. Who was that woman she was with, did it say? Yeah.

Wendy (33:16.298)
No, I guess it was just a friend of hers, which I was glad she showed up with a friend. Emily's telling Jen that Tamar did meet up with Katie and Tamar overhears the conversation and she goes over there and asks Jen how it went and Tamar said, well, I think it went well.

Kelli (33:20.818)
Yeah, for sure.

Kelli (33:35.198)
She said, did you get what you wanted from Katie? And Tamara said, yes. That was an interesting question, I thought.

Wendy (33:39.341)
Yeah.

Wendy (33:43.2)
Yeah. And she also said that she felt like she shouldn't tell Jen about the conversation because she's friends with Gretchen. And, you know, and I get that. Slade and Gretchen are the last.

Kelli (33:57.397)
How about when the producer asked Tamara, why is Katie trustworthy to you now? And she said, because Katie's no longer sticking up for Gretchen. So she has nothing to hide.

Wendy (34:09.164)
Hmm. No, that's, yeah. I mean, just Tamra being Tamra.

Slade and Gretchen are the last two to arrive.

Then Emily says, after they arrive, Emily says, whatever issues Gretchen and I have, we've decided to work it out. And this is when they show the scene where she walked out of the store and then her and Gretchen are arguing. And five minutes later, they're sitting there talking it out. This is when they show it. I'm like, yeah, again, like why? Why could you not have showed us that then? Why do you have to wait to do it now?

Kelli (34:39.698)
Yeah, you're right. I have it in my notes now. So apparently Emily walked back in.

Yeah, I don't like it.

Right. Right.

Wendy (34:56.334)
Emily tells Gretchen now that Tamara met with Katie. Emily gets up on stage and thanks everyone for coming. Anthony's up there too. Let's everyone know that the money donated is going to go to his education fund.

Wendy (35:17.952)
Is this when they pledged the money? Yeah. Emily announces that Gina and Travis from the gated group, that's their, I guess their real estate group are donating $5,000. And then Terry Dubrow says, wait, wait, wait, and goes and grabs the microphone. And Gina was like, he's going to outdo me. And I like that he didn't. I like that he said we're going to match the donation because, which I was like, my God, is he going to outdo her? Because that would have been pretty crappy.

Kelli (35:27.656)
Yeah.

Kelli (35:41.896)
Yeah, he just matched it.

Kelli (35:48.658)
What's your opinion on Shannon during the line dance? Did you think she was playing that up a little bit? How she kept falling and...

Wendy (35:54.766)
No, I think that is who Shannon is. I know a lot of people think it's acting for her. A lot of people think it's shtick.

Kelli (36:02.612)
Well, most of the time I agree with you, but I don't know. With this line dancing, I'm like, I feel like she's turning it on a little

Wendy (36:11.938)
I mean, even when she was trying to pick up the poop outside of Jen's house, it was the same bumbling. I think that that's who she is. I think she's just a bumbling. I mean, I like her. I do like her. I know a lot of people don't.

Kelli (36:15.816)
Yeah.

Kelli (36:24.112)
No, I do too. I just thought it was a little bit too much. Well, whatever. Whatever. It is what it is. It's Shannon.

Wendy (36:29.751)
Yeah.

Wendy (36:34.466)
So it's funny, so the whole line dancing thing, Shanna said she was more of a Saturday night fever girl. Gina in her confessional said she grew up in clubs and she's better with glow sticks. It's always funny.

Kelli (36:40.422)
Hmm

Kelli (36:45.894)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Wendy (36:49.966)
Jen and Ryan and Slade and Gretchen are all standing around and Jen says to Slade that when Gretchen drinks Fireball, she rides those things and she points to the Mechanical Bull. Jen is telling them that Tamara met up with Katie and she points to Slade and she said, well, Katie said something about you. And Gretchen says, it's always something about you. And that's when she says to Shannon, well, we're gonna go ask Tamara. And Shannon's like, well,

I think you need to go by yourself. Like, and I agree that this was not something, first of all, I agree that Gretchen and Slade approaching Tamara the way they did was aggressive. What are your thoughts on that?

Kelli (37:34.549)
I don't think they were being aggressive in the way they were talking or their demeanor, but I don't think you're gonna get anything out of Tamra if Slade's around. You're just not. She's not going to engage, and they should have known that. Maybe they thought since Eddie was there that both of them approaching was appropriate, but it really wasn't. This is between Gretchen and Tamra. I mean, unless they were gonna bring up the Slade-Matt thing.

Maybe that's what Jen meant. But Matt's not even there. Katie's not there. So it's, you know, it wasn't, it wasn't going to be productive. Gretchen walking over there with Slade. But I don't think they were being aggressive. Like it was just aggressive that they both approached Tamara at the same time. Tamara's a big girl. And listen, she did what, what she does. She left. She removed herself from the situation. I mean, she leaves.

all the time, so this shouldn't have been surprising.

Wendy (38:34.478)
I mean, she does leave all the time. She does, 100%. I do think her leaving this before it escalated was the right thing to do. Because then when she did leave, I mean, Gretchen made a fool of herself, like yelling, you know, run bitch, run, in the middle of a fundraiser, like yelling it. that was, yeah.

Kelli (38:45.192)
Yeah, sure.

Kelli (38:51.22)
She did.

Kelli (38:56.968)
Run for your life, bitch. I might put that on a t-shirt. I kinda like it.

Wendy (39:01.71)
I mean, it's just so uncalled for.

Kelli (39:05.98)
Yeah, mean, was, Gretchen was out of line and Emily had every right to go up to Gretchen and tell her that was out of line. I mean, even though these women have these events and they're like, I don't want any drama at my event. Well, clearly that's not gonna happen, so.

Wendy (39:20.788)
Mm-hmm. Right, right. So Eddie, you know, Eddie gives the finger as he's walking out. And actually, I was surprised that when they got outside, Tamara said to Eddie, shouldn't have done that. I was surprised she said that, you know, because, I mean, one, he was having her back. And two, I was surprised her of all people said that, you know what I mean?

Kelli (39:36.872)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (39:42.206)
Mm-hmm.

Right. Right.

Wendy (39:47.36)
And then Emily goes outside to talk to Tamar, which I thought was the right thing to do also. I thought Emily leaving to go after Tamar was the right thing to do. And Emily says, you know, I don't think she should have, you know, brought Slade over, like that shouldn't have happened. And Eddie said, well, Slade's a little bitch, which I kind of agree.

Kelli (40:09.874)
He was here for sure. Well, he is. I mean, he really is. Get a job.

Wendy (40:12.594)
Yeah, he is, is.

Wendy (40:17.548)
Tammer said, when we have somebody that makes Ryan look good, that's an issue. And Eddie laughed. I was like, boy. Then we see back inside Slade's talking to Travis, Ryan, and Terry. And he said he really messed up. He didn't mean to drop a bomb. Terry said, consider the bomb dropped. I think Terry was totally high in the scene. Right?

Kelli (40:44.177)
yeah, for sure. For sure. Yeah.

Wendy (40:46.446)
As a matter of fact, when he was on Watch What Happens Live, because he was there when Heather was there, I don't know how it came up, but Heather said that, Andy must have said something about Terry and Heather said that he's totally straight right now, meaning that he's not high or drunk, talking about Terry. I thought that was so funny too. Or sober, maybe she said sober.

Kelli (40:52.382)
Yeah.

Kelli (41:09.502)
That's so funny.

Kelli (41:15.166)
sober.

Wendy (41:15.17)
He's totally sober right now.

Kelli (41:18.286)
Gretchen told the producer that Sleet gets involved when the women are talking about him. I mean, listen, I understand him wanting to defend himself, but it's just too much with him. It's always been too much with him. You know, you're not a housewife.

Wendy (41:30.659)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (41:36.786)
And then, well, Emily said Gretchen and Slade's behavior made her feel uncomfortable. And then they start screaming at each other. I couldn't understand a word Emily or Gretchen were saying to each other, could you?

Wendy (41:46.706)
No, and I hate when they do this. hate when, yeah, yeah. I mean, it was in the middle of her fundraiser. I was like, why did Emily do that? Like, get, like, but they did raise $41,595, so that was awesome. But, you know, yelling and screaming at each other in the middle of a fundraiser is just, it's just, it's low class. It's just low class. Like, do better, please, ladies. Do better. Do better.

Kelli (41:48.411)
I know.

Kelli (41:55.719)
Exactly.

Kelli (42:01.042)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (42:08.98)
Totally low class. Totally low class.

Yep. Yep.

Wendy (42:16.118)
Alright, so that's all we have for OC. You have anything else? Okay. Until next time, thank you for watching and listening. Please subscribe and give us five star reviews. Bye.

Kelli (42:20.572)
No? Nope.

Kelli (42:27.913)
Bye.