RHOC-Tulips, Truffles & Tension

Wendy (00:00.931)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever, I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:04.247)
I'm Kelly.

Wendy (00:05.869)
We are talking about Real Housewives of Orange County, season 19, episode number 16, Tulip Service. Yeah, it's all right.

It is Amsterdam day two. So I actually thought, which I'm very glad we didn't, I thought we were gonna do like the Red Lake District in this episode, but I guess that little bit we got at the end of last episode was all we're getting and I am so okay with that.

Kelli (00:33.12)
Yeah, that I think that's all we're getting lord only knows what really happened and that's totally exactly We're good

Wendy (00:35.832)
Fine.

Yeah, I didn't need to see it. Yeah, I didn't need to see any of that, right? Shannon is still feeling the effects of the space cakes.

Kelli (00:42.328)
Yeah, bye.

Kelli (00:48.696)
That's why I don't partake, people. It's a 48-hour ride for me that I cannot get off and I do not enjoy. I enjoy it in the moment, like, you know, within the first two, three hours of doing it, but after that, I'm like, stupid. And I'm stupid for 48 hours. It's ridiculous.

Wendy (01:04.746)
48 hours? Even like a little tiny edible? I mean, she had a whole space cake. I mean, that seemed like a lot.

Kelli (01:13.164)
I mean, I definitely have partaken with too much in the past. I don't know, maybe like a little dab a day, I don't know. I don't know. I just don't like the way it makes me feel the next day in the moment. know, Britney Spears out on the dance floor. Yeah.

Wendy (01:22.828)
Okay.

Wendy (01:30.399)
Okay. All the ladies meet up downstairs in the hotel and Heather has planned for them to go to the tulip fields. Shannon shows up with one boot on and one boot off. Shannon being Shannon.

Kelli (01:46.752)
I think it's because of her foot ailment and I'm a little concerned for her, I'll be honest, because it doesn't look good.

Wendy (01:49.857)
Yes. Yeah.

No, it doesn't. doesn't.

Kelli (01:56.93)
Like I feel like, I mean, production should be involved right now. Hopefully they are and have some kind of medic look at that foot.

Wendy (02:04.297)
Mm-hmm. Suggest.

Kelli (02:06.008)
But then you see her in stiletto boots. Like why would you be wearing stiletto boots when your foot's all banged up?

Wendy (02:09.187)
I know, like...

Wendy (02:14.381)
Right, and you're going to a tulip field.

Kelli (02:18.242)
Well, yeah, I mean, the way these women dress to go anywhere is really ridiculous. Yeah.

Wendy (02:23.819)
It makes no sense, right?

So Jen is wearing a cute little outfit with a floral shirt. Heather is in her all-white dress. Gretchen is wearing the longest pink floral dress complete with a hat, which would explain why she brought her hat box because she's got to have hats for everything.

Gina's wearing a navy blue short dress. Gina looked adorable. And Heather says to Gina, I chat GBT'd our drugs and we need three to four milligrams each. I was like, wait, what? So they're doing some sort of mushrooms. Heather has taking edible truffle mushrooms. I was like, okay.

Kelli (03:05.294)
you

Kelli (03:14.488)
Okay.

Wendy (03:16.233)
Nobody else wanted to partake, just Gina and Heather. I thought it was so funny when Gina said in her confessional, Heather's that friend that my mom absolutely warned me about in high school and no one would ever suspect it. I mean, no one would ever suspect it, right? It is so funny.

Kelli (03:27.35)
Yeah. Exactly. Yep. Yep. Yes, ma'am.

Wendy (03:37.225)
I also noted it was 10 20 a.m. when they were taking the edibles.

Emily's wearing a solid blue dress, but her boobs are completely out. I don't get Emily's attire lately. It's not, I don't know.

Kelli (03:56.472)
think that Emily is just really proud of herself for her weight loss and her fitness and I think she just likes to put it out there. And you know what? I'm here for that. Like, cause she obviously works very hard at the way she looks and go right ahead. I don't like it when these women look like they're in pain because their breasts are so constricted and confined.

Wendy (04:07.862)
Okay.

Wendy (04:12.779)
Yeah, yeah, I definitely think she works hard. Yeah.

Wendy (04:24.088)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (04:24.418)
But that wasn't necessarily the case here.

Wendy (04:27.615)
No, no, no, because they were out. mean, the girls were out.

Kelli (04:30.092)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (04:34.413)
So then we see, they're in the Sprinter van and Shannon is in the Sprinter van and she pulls up the back of her dress, like completely pulls it up to show her that the Spanx, them, that the Spanx is hiding her back fat. I'm like, I sure hope she's got a brand deal. I know, I sure hope she has a brand deal with Spanx.

Kelli (04:53.164)
Talk about putting it all out there. I know. Good call. She really should have a brand deal with Spanx.

Wendy (05:01.611)
And I really feel like I want to tell her, Shannon, and I'm going to say this too, I really like Shapermint a lot better. So maybe you might want to try Shapermint if Spanx is not giving you a brand deal. But if Shapermint would like to give us at We Wine Whenever a brand deal, we would be very happy to take it because it is wonderful, a wonderful product. But I don't think you need to wear two with Shapermint. mean, Shannon wears two. She wears two Spanx. I'm like, why are you wearing two?

Kelli (05:18.178)
Yeah, we're here.

Kelli (05:28.131)
Right.

Yeah, why are you wearing two?

Wendy (05:33.365)
Even on Watch What Happens Live, she said, I'm wearing two, I just like it, I like everything to be tight. I'm like, okay, think she, maybe she needs a corset. Because then everything would be tight.

Kelli (05:35.361)
Yeah, she said it.

Kelli (05:42.638)
But exactly, but if it's that tight, then you're gonna get sick to your stomach. I get very sick to my stomach.

Wendy (05:47.735)
Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, you're right. mean, she definitely, Shannon puts it all out there for sure. So Tamar's in the spinner van with Emily and Gina and she's saying that last night she went to the bar with Jen and Gretchen and how Gretchen was such a downer. And they show you like a quick scene of it. Emily's like, I don't understand like why she like just sits at the bar and is like kind of creeping on you. I mean, I didn't think she was a downer.

Kelli (06:15.662)
So here's the thing. She's not a downer. And when she went out with Heather and Emily, she wasn't a downer. She was having a great time. She's not gonna let loose in front of Tamra. She's not gonna be throwing shots back and get herself into a vulnerable mindset when Tamra's around. So it's not being a downer, she's being careful. listen, I'm not a big Gretchen fan either. I'll be honest with you. I heard that next week is the season finale.

Wendy (06:28.096)
No.

Wendy (06:35.03)
Right, I agree.

Kelli (06:45.396)
I really hope that's true. I have not enjoyed one minute of this season. I think this season was horrible. Whether you like Tamra, dislike Tamra, like Gretchen, dislike Gretchen, this might be one of the worst seasons of Real Housewives of OC I've ever watched. I really feel that way. But anyway, but yeah, Gretchen's not gonna let loose and try to have fun with you, Tamra.

Wendy (06:47.649)
No, it is. They said it. I think they said it.

Wendy (07:06.327)
Yeah.

Kelli (07:13.248)
You know, you guys have burned each other a million times.

Wendy (07:16.65)
Right, right.

Kelli (07:18.254)
Well, I can't even believe she went to the bar with her!

Wendy (07:20.939)
I honestly I couldn't either.

Kelli (07:23.124)
Jen! what a flip-flopper Jen is.

Wendy (07:29.251)
Emily in her confessional says she just wants to get off the Tamra and Gretchen carousel. Listen, I want to get off it too. But Emily, she perpetuates it. She a hundred percent fuels the carousel, 100%. Yeah. Yep. Exactly.

Kelli (07:34.904)
So get off, yeah, me too. So get off, Emily. So stop interjecting.

100 % Right. So get off the ride, Emily, and then none of us have to watch it.

Wendy (07:53.325)
Tamar says, feel sorry for Jen because when you're friends with Shannon, you have to obey her rules. And I did it for a long time.

Kelli (08:00.087)
Is that not the pot calling the kettle black?

Wendy (08:02.371)
It is, it really is. mean, what?

Kelli (08:04.566)
I mean, Emily literally said in the beginning of the season, she's not making that mistake again with Gretchen because of how Tammer treated her after the last time she befriended Gretchen. She's such a hypocrite.

Wendy (08:11.575)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (08:21.622)
And Gina said Jen is whoever you tell her to be and I do agree with that. I don't think Jen knows where she fits with this group but she wants to be on the show so bad she's just gonna say what she's gotta say in whatever situation she's in. Right?

Wendy (08:21.815)
Then they get

Wendy (08:38.893)
I kind of agree with that. do kind of agree with that. I think this is my take on Jen is that when she first came on, she really thought Tamar was going to have her back. And she just saw how Tamar really just tore her down and really went after her and Ryan and just made her life miserable. And then she watched the same thing happen to Shannon. Tamar made Shannon's life miserable. So I think that

Kelli (08:42.35)
Yeah.

Kelli (08:49.486)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (09:02.828)
Yes. Yep.

Wendy (09:06.301)
Shannon and Jen kind of trauma bonded over Tamra. You know, I really do. And it just so happens that, you know, she kind of befriended Alexis. I mean, she didn't know her prior to her being on the show, Alexis. So she kind of befriended her, but she didn't know it was gonna go the way it went. I mean, I did, first of all, she didn't go to her wedding.

Kelli (09:09.602)
Yeah.

Yes, for sure.

Wendy (09:35.583)
Alexis uninvited her to the wedding, Jen, and Jen went, it was her son's graduation, so she wouldn't have gone anyway. So all this that we're talking about right now, like we know what happened with that whole thing. You I do believe that, like I said, believe that Jen and Shannon, I really do believe that they trauma bonded. And I think that that's actually gonna probably last. I think that is her better friendship to stick with. I do.

Kelli (09:44.91)
She wouldn't have gone there.

Kelli (10:01.462)
Absolutely, for both of them. For both of them. Because look at the way Emily and Tamra are coming after their friendship. Like they don't want Shannon to have any friends on this show, they want Shannon off the show. That's how I'm taking it. And Jen's like collateral damage to them. They're like, who cares? Who cares about Jen? So their best bet, Shannon and Jen, is to

Wendy (10:03.861)
Yes, for both of them. Yes.

Wendy (10:13.506)
Yes.

Wendy (10:17.303)
Right.

No, I agree.

Wendy (10:24.653)
Right.

Right.

Kelli (10:31.596)
Have an alliance, you know, not have an alliance, but keep that friendship, stick together. Yeah.

Wendy (10:33.251)
Stick together, but stick together. Yeah. Shannon gets out of the Sprinter van and she's got a stain on the back of her dress because she sat on her blush.

I just, I know people all the time, say it's shtick, it's shtick. It is not shtick. It is who she is. This is who Shannon is.

Kelli (10:55.436)
Like that kind of stuff I don't think is shtick. But I told you with the line dancing, when she was falling all over the place, I'm like, all right. I mean, if you're that bad at it, get off the dance floor. Because you're gonna hurt somebody. But that, but sitting on the blush and the hair and that stuff, I don't think is shtick. I mean, why would anybody purposefully go on camera with their hair like that? Right?

Wendy (10:59.799)
The dancing.

Wendy (11:19.361)
Right. No, I agree. And why would anyone sit on their blush intentionally? And that just means she was doing her blush in the car. Right?

Kelli (11:25.578)
Exactly, exactly.

Right, right, right. I'm sure that dress she was wearing wasn't cheap and she doesn't want blush stains on it.

Wendy (11:38.048)
So they get to the tulip form. It's absolutely beautiful. It reminded me of Holland Ridge in Cream Ridge. Have you ever been there?

Kelli (11:45.93)
Mm-hmm. Now, I've seen pictures, but I've never...

Wendy (11:49.747)
I have been there a couple of times. It looked exactly like that, but on a much smaller scale. But with the rows and rows of tulips, it's actually, I feel like it's breathtaking to be quite honest with you. And then while they're there, Shannon is trying to climb onto that fake horse.

Kelli (12:01.89)
Yeah.

Kelli (12:10.51)
She gets up there though.

Wendy (12:11.777)
She does actually get up there. I have no idea how she got up there.

Kelli (12:14.933)
I have no idea either.

Wendy (12:17.217)
And then Gretchen and Jen are behind her and I don't know if she was like, I don't know if they were whipping her or if they were like on it. I don't know what they were doing.

Kelli (12:26.176)
Yeah, it was hard to tell.

Wendy (12:28.163)
They did look like they were having fun though. They were laughing, so yeah, so I'm there for it. Meanwhile, Gina, Tamara, Heather and Emily are all talking about how Jen said that Shannon asked Jen not to go to Alexis' wedding. Okay, that is not what happened. That's not what happened. And we've had this conversation now.

Kelli (12:30.114)
They did look like they were having fun.

Yes.

Kelli (12:47.022)
Right. Exactly. Just like Shannon never said she was throwing Jenna bridal shower lunch. Like, girls, it's...

Wendy (12:55.531)
I know, I know, right. And just like Jen never said that she didn't appreciate it. Like she said she appreciated it. She said she appreciated it. It's nothing that she would have done for herself because it's just, you know, but she absolutely appreciated.

Kelli (13:06.209)
Exactly.

Kelli (13:14.574)
Maybe she didn't understand where it was coming from because the wedding hasn't even been set yet, but doesn't mean that she didn't enjoy it and she didn't appreciate it.

Wendy (13:19.565)
Right.

Right, and the fact that they are just trying to make it seem like Shannon mastermind this to get in with Jen, it's just bullshit. It's such bullshit. mean, even on Watch What Happens Live, Shannon said, you know, they're saying, like, why would you do this? Why would you have this party for Jen? Well, why would you have a cake decorating party, Tamara, after you just flipped out at Gretchen at the thing?

Kelli (13:34.412)
Yes.

Kelli (13:51.224)
Right.

Wendy (13:51.319)
Like, why do we do what we do? This is what we do. We're on a show together. We plan parties for each other. We do stuff like this. This is what we do.

Kelli (13:54.158)
Yeah.

Kelli (13:58.515)
And again, we've it on a prior podcast, that was the backdrop to them planning the Amsterdam trip. Just like on Salt Lake City, when Whitney had Mary and Angie come over to do their preference sheet. That was the backdrop for Angie to say,

Wendy (14:05.355)
Yes, that's where it came out.

Wendy (14:13.229)
The psychic.

Wendy (14:17.999)
right, right.

Kelli (14:22.87)
what she read about Bromwint. Like this is what you do as housewives. You pretend to have events so that you can move another thing along.

Wendy (14:29.164)
Right.

Wendy (14:34.241)
Right, that's what happens.

Kelli (14:35.68)
See, here's the thing. Tamara thinks we're all stupid. Tamara thinks the viewers are stupid. Tamara thinks she's smarter than us and she's producing the show. And now she's got Emily thinking the same thing. But Tamara doesn't realize that we have been watching this shit for 22 years? 22 years. And we have become quite the experts at it. So we could write this shit before you even film it.

Wendy (15:01.731)
But wait a second, it's the 19th season.

Kelli (15:06.382)
Oh, 19th, that's right. Okay, 2006. I always think it's 2003. 2006, 19 years. We are experts and we can write it before you record it, Tamara. You're not smarter than us. So them saying like, why did Shannon do that? We know why Shannon did that because it was part of production. It had to be done so you could plan your Amsterdam trip. So move on to something else now, Tamara.

Wendy (15:07.991)
We've been watching it. Yeah

Wendy (15:17.303)
Yes. No, no you're not.

Wendy (15:31.019)
Yes, exactly.

Kelli (15:33.74)
and your little employee Emily.

Wendy (15:36.213)
Mm-hmm. So then they're still at the Tulip farm and they go and they're sitting at picnic tables and Heather is serving them sandwiches. And then Gina asks Jen a question about Alexis's wedding. Now, meanwhile, Gina is high from the mushrooms, right? From her mushroom dosage. And she's annoying Emily because when she gets high, she just doesn't stop talking.

Kelli (15:55.404)
Right. Right.

Wendy (16:07.139)
So she starts out with, Gina said, somebody said that Shannon asked you not to go. Jen said, Shannon didn't ask me not to go. And Heather said, well, why aren't you going? And Jen said, well, because I care about her feelings. And Shannon said, but I never asked you not to go. And then Heather said, well, that shouldn't force you not to go to a friend's wedding. And it's not like they were that good of friends. It's not like she's known this woman forever.

Kelli (16:35.342)
Alright, and why do they care why Jen's not going? She doesn't want to go! So she doesn't have to go!

Wendy (16:37.781)
Exactly. Exactly. Right.

Right.

Kelli (16:47.214)
She's a grown ass woman and can make whatever decision she wants.

Wendy (16:51.587)
So then, then Emily jumps in and says, well, it's not about the wedding. Are you okay to Shannon with Jen being friends with Alexis? I'm just like, come on. Jen, Shannon said.

Kelli (17:04.664)
Like they literally just don't want Shannon to have any kind of friendship with anybody on the show.

Wendy (17:09.527)
That's what it is. I mean...

Kelli (17:11.214)
And and but we're supposed to believe that Tamra and Emily have a genuine friendship Okay

Wendy (17:17.463)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it was just, honestly, it's annoying when they do that. It's hard to watch.

Kelli (17:29.622)
It's definitely hard to watch. And Gina saying to Shannon that she had a really bad year and she could have deserved a party. It's like she's giving Kierna vibes, like starting fake beef with Shannon. Like it's landing very flat. It's stupid. really, like Emily was a party planner. If you had a bad year and you want to be mad at somebody for not throwing you a party, be mad at your party planning friend.

Wendy (17:38.612)
Right.

Wendy (17:49.89)
Yeah.

Wendy (17:59.681)
Yeah, exactly, exactly. I don't know, I just hate when they act this way. And then, you know, then they say that Jen didn't even want the shower, they're calling it a shower. And then poor Shannon's like, you didn't want the shower? And Gina said, it wasn't a shower. Gina's like, well, you said the shower was ridiculous. Jen said, I never said I didn't want the shower. she's like, what are you doing?

Kelli (18:18.862)
didn't even shower.

Kelli (18:27.458)
And she never said it was ridiculous.

Wendy (18:29.481)
No, she didn't.

Wendy (18:35.605)
So Gina says, you're taking, this is really what aggravated me. You're taking time out of your day to foster a fake friendship with Jen.

I mean, what? Who are you to say whether or not their friendship is real?

Kelli (18:54.594)
Right, right. And listen, we get it, you and Emily have a real friendship. We get it, because we see all the TikToks and we see all the Instagram posts you guys do. We get it. But again, you're not real friends with Tamara. Emily is not real friends with Tamara. I don't even think Tamara and Heather are real friends. None of them are real friends. They do what they have to do to film on a show to try to stay on it. So even, and I don't think Shannon and Jen are doing that.

Wendy (19:03.149)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (19:20.77)
Right.

Kelli (19:24.792)
But even if they were, who are you to judge them for it? You're doing the same damn thing.

Wendy (19:30.399)
Exactly. Exactly.

Kelli (19:32.138)
Other than Gina and Emily, because we see the posts and we know you guys are really friends.

Wendy (19:36.503)
Right. So then Emily jumps in and says, well, I feel like the issue here is I see this new friendship forging between the two of you, but there's a lack of communication between Jen and Shannon. How do you know what communication is going on? It's because you and your little minions are behind the scenes spreading rumors and lies. That's what's happening. Right. Right.

Kelli (19:57.965)
Yep. And they're not in control. Like they're not in control with what's going on.

I'll tell you what, like I said before, I could not be more bored with this conversation. It's just, I think it's absolutely ridiculous. They're trying to prevent Shannon from having friends on the show.

Wendy (20:19.125)
It is ridiculous. mean, my favorite part of it.

Wendy (20:24.181)
Yeah, they totally are. They totally are. My favorite part was when Emily got so pissed off at Gina because she interrupted her and she's like, you, you know, like, can someone, can I just finish please? Like, like don't give her any more gummies. Like she won't shut the F up. Like she was really mad. She was really mad. And she's like, you won't stop. And then Gina's like, I'm sorry, I'll stop. Meanwhile, Tamar's sitting there laughing. She was laughing.

Kelli (20:38.86)
Yeah.

What?

Wendy (20:55.253)
And I was like, all right.

Wendy (20:59.541)
And in her confessional, it was, it was, Gina in her confessional says, sometimes you just need your friend to tell you to shut the F up. I mean, I do agree with that. Sometimes you do. I mean, that is what a good friend does is tell you to shut the F up. But she was telling her to shut the F up because she thought she could do a better job of pushing her agenda. And that's what it was about. It's not that she was saying anything that was bad. It's just that she was

Kelli (20:59.748)
Yeah, it was painful to watch.

Kelli (21:07.31)
It's true. That is true. Yes. Yeah. Yes. Yeah.

Kelli (21:22.528)
Exactly. Yep.

Wendy (21:29.421)
throwing off her plan to push her agenda. Right, exactly.

Kelli (21:31.768)
She wasn't getting the narrative out there correctly.

Wendy (21:39.043)
I thought the next scene was interesting that they're on their way to go to the hot tub tugboats or hot tugboats. I don't know, hot tub tugboats, whatever they're called. It did seem a little weird, but.

Kelli (21:55.288)
Yeah.

Kelli (22:00.171)
It seemed very weird and I was concerned with Shannon's foot in that border.

Wendy (22:04.157)
Yes, yes, I was too. I was too. So it comes out on the way over there that it came out that they had a conversation about Jen's Instagram, how it's mostly Ryan's pictures, and that she should be using her Instagram to make money. And then she starts like talking to Gretchen about it. And Gretchen's like, yeah, you know, I, you know, I have several streams of income and

you know, some of it's posting for this and doing, you know, this and that. And I liked that they were giving her that advice. Like, I think that that's good, solid advice for her. Make your Instagram yours.

Kelli (22:42.646)
Yeah, I think coming from Gretchen, think it was, I mean, I Emily too. I just have a hard time trusting Emily anymore now that she's so close with Tamara. You know, cause if Tamara were giving her any advice, I would be like, just whatever Tamara tells you to do, do the opposite. Cause she does not want anything good for you. But yeah.

Wendy (22:53.462)
Yeah.

Wendy (23:03.455)
Right, no, but I just think it's good solid advice for her.

Kelli (23:07.424)
Yeah, but it is funny how Gina was talking about Jen getting lost financially in her relationship and now Gina's basically on Team Travis in the real estate business. You know what I mean?

Wendy (23:22.251)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (23:23.97)
Like, I don't know, I just personally didn't think that Gina should have been.

whatever.

Wendy (23:32.833)
Yeah. And then they cut to the scene where, you know, Gretchen is out in the tulip fields, you know, making content for her post and they're making fun of her. she's probably selling this hat. The coupon code is here. Okay. So what? So what? Like, why, like, why are you making fun of her for that?

Kelli (23:41.665)
yeah.

Kelli (23:47.308)
Right. Right.

Kelli (23:53.698)
Yeah, no, I totally agree with you. Exactly.

Wendy (23:54.455)
I mean, it's not like she's doing OnlyFans.

Kelli (24:00.097)
Exactly. And why would they put Tamra and Gretchen on the same boat? That's just stupid.

Wendy (24:04.665)
my God. Well, they planned it that way because Emily was going to be the peacemaker. Emily, you know, Emily can fix everything because she's so diplomatic.

Kelli (24:06.22)
Right? Of course.

Kelli (24:13.452)
Right, right, right.

Wendy (24:20.237)
So what did you think of the hats that Emily gave to each of them?

Kelli (24:25.294)
I'll be honest with you, I didn't read what all of them said. I I thought some of them were cute, but they were horrible. they were, okay.

Wendy (24:31.693)
They were pretty trashy. Yeah, I didn't read them all either. They were pretty trashy though. They were trashy.

Wendy (24:44.033)
So Emily puts Gretchen and Tamar together in the same boat, she said, intentionally, because she says, this is the last ditch effort for me to try and get them back together. I'm like, what makes you think that you're the one that can do this?

Kelli (24:59.704)
Yeah, well, why are you trying so hard?

Wendy (25:02.689)
That's it. Why are you trying so hard? I would think if it would be anyone trying to do it, it would be Heather.

Kelli (25:05.069)
Yeah.

Kelli (25:10.882)
Yeah, because I don't think Emily is a good friend towards Gretchen after what she did with the whole pajama party night. She was pushing, pushing, pushing, pushing, and then she was like, Gretchen said this. Yeah, well, don't act all flabbergasted about it now. You're the one who was begging for it that night.

Wendy (25:19.36)
Right.

Wendy (25:34.691)
Yeah, yeah. So Shannon is the one operating her boat. She's the one steering her boat. And she's trying to keep her foot out of the water. And I really, honestly thought she was gonna fall in. I did, I thought she was gonna fall in.

Kelli (25:46.882)
Me too. Me too. that would have been awful for that foot, quite honestly. Ugh.

Wendy (25:51.263)
I know, and she winds up hitting another boat.

Kelli (25:54.253)
my god. She did hit the other.

Wendy (25:56.215)
So.

Wendy (26:01.603)
I don't know if you noticed, why was Heather wearing fluffy earmuffs on the boat?

Kelli (26:08.202)
I don't know and I didn't exactly know what they were. I think it was to put under the hat to make it look like she had curly hair. I think it was something to go under the hat to make her look like something. Because I was like, what does she wear? I thought she was wearing a wig and then I realized it was, they went over the hat. Yeah.

Wendy (26:26.783)
No, ear muffs. was like, yeah, they were fluffy ear muffs. I was like, what is, does she have a problem with her ears? Like, I didn't get it. Like with a bathing suit, she's got ear muffs on with a bathing suit.

Kelli (26:36.846)
I don't know. I have no idea.

Kelli (26:42.39)
I think that was shtick. No sense.

Wendy (26:44.629)
Yeah, I would say so. Like, that made no sense!

Wendy (26:52.035)
Shannon's talking about how she crashed John Jansen's boat when she ran into another boat. I know. So Emily's still trying to make peace and she says, Tamra, there anything you'd like to say to Gretchen? And Tamra says, no. And then she says, Gretchen, is there anything you'd like to say to Tamra?

Kelli (27:01.142)
And then she crashes again.

Kelli (27:06.573)
my god.

Wendy (27:18.911)
Emily says, Tamar's opening to listening. She told me. I'm like, did she? Listening, yeah.

Kelli (27:22.806)
isn't that amazing? Tamra said she's open to listening. Fuck all the way off, Tamra. Like, I don't understand why they give these housewives so much power.

Wendy (27:30.327)
Yeah.

Wendy (27:36.515)
I know.

And honestly, Gretchen says, Emily and I talked in the car and I know you probably won't be receptive to this, but I messed up and I feel bad about it. I shouldn't have said what I said that night. And Tamara said, I thought we agreed to stop, like no more. Emily said, well, I think she's hurt because you you had reached that agreement at the beach and like.

then you went back on it. And that's why this is like never ending. Like it's, they just keep going back and forth. They never end it.

Wendy (28:15.777)
And then Emily's like, well, you know, I've been friends, I've been friends with her for three years and she's never said anything about me. I'm like, what does that have to do with anything?

Kelli (28:25.474)
And she's full of shit, she's talking about Tamra? she called you Shrek, Emily. She called you Shrek.

Wendy (28:27.99)
Yes! Yes!

Yes!

I know, and yeah, like...

Kelli (28:37.518)
She was so one-sided in this, Emily. It was ridiculous. She called you Shrek. I'm sure we talked about that a whole season because of you. Just like we talked the whole season about, you know, Heather fat shaming you. And then you let your BFF, right, right. And then you let Tamara fat shame Jen and didn't hold her accountable. Not even the tiniest bit. Emily's the worst. think she's gotta go. Arangina.

Wendy (28:41.57)
Yeah.

Wendy (28:46.849)
Yeah, yes.

Wendy (28:52.427)
Mm-hmm, by making you bring your genes.

Kelli (29:07.672)
Gotta go.

Wendy (29:08.067)
So then, I know, Tamar says, I don't talk about you, you're not relevant.

Wendy (29:17.215)
Emily's like, well, that doesn't get us anywhere. Like that's the wrong attitude.

Kelli (29:22.882)
She acts like a two year old Tamra.

Wendy (29:23.039)
Emily says she absolutely does. She sat there with an attitude, with a chip on her shoulder. Like she had no intention of receiving anything Gretchen was gonna say. She had no intention of receiving it.

Kelli (29:33.184)
Not at all. Nope, not at all.

Wendy (29:37.379)
But then Gretchen once again tries again. She's like, because Emily says, like, I think, know, Gretchen, you need to recognize your part in it. And so Gretchen's like, OK, I know. I know. I know.

Kelli (29:44.238)
She just did! She just did!

Wendy (29:52.663)
So they kind of agree that they're going to move forward. But I don't think so. No. I don't know. They're definitely not.

Kelli (29:59.087)
They're not.

And honestly, like, I'm over it. I'm over it. Tamara's like, I think that that would totally help. know, like, Emily says Gretchen will look at her own behavior, but that's the time when Tamara should have said the same thing, and she doesn't. She doesn't. She doesn't think she's done anything wrong.

Wendy (30:23.991)
Right. Right. Right. And as soon as Tamara gets off the boat, she goes up to Jen and says, I just got this headline from iHeart. They want us to talk about it on the podcast. It says that you're ordered to pay six figures in back rent for your yoga studio. Is that true? And Jen's like, well, that's old. That was from, you know, that was a year ago.

So of course then she gets in the SprinterGrant, Sprinter Van and starts talking about that.

Kelli (30:56.482)
Yep, she's just, because nobody in her family likes her. They won't let her talk about them. She's got nothing to share from her own life, We saw last week, her own husband isn't really a big fan of hers. She's got nothing going on. So this is what she's going to do. She's gonna bring up shit. I'm so tired of housewives not sharing their own lives.

Wendy (31:09.688)
Yeah.

Kelli (31:25.046)
and bringing, just constantly bringing up shit about other people. She does it, Giselle does it. It's like, come on. If you don't have any, yes. If you don't have anything to share, get off the show. Get off the show.

Wendy (31:34.795)
And it's the same thing over and over.

Wendy (31:49.869)
So Shannon, when Tamar's telling her about the Reality Blurb article, Shannon's like, is that true? And Tamar said, yeah, she said it's true. And Emily said, this is why I'm really concerned about her. She really has, setting up her Instagram properly, she really has big girl issues. Come on.

Kelli (32:10.318)
They don't give a shit about Jen. They don't care about her. They really need to stop acting like they care about her.

Wendy (32:19.573)
Even Tamar in her confessional said, I feel like instead of wrapping up all your time with Ryan, maybe go to school and get a job. You'd be much better off five years into this. You're telling her? You are telling her? okay.

I mean...

Kelli (32:37.87)
my god.

Wendy (32:40.365)
Did she even graduate high school, Did she finish high school? Right. And she's telling her this.

Kelli (32:43.33)
I don't think she did. I don't think she did.

Kelli (32:48.844)
Right, and listen, good for you, you have a successful business, a successful THC business, great, good for you. CBD or THC? THC, right? But, you know, so if you didn't graduate high school, you certainly surely turned it around, but listen, and Jen can do the same thing. She can do the same thing. What Jen does have that Tamara did not is a shitty ex-husband who will fucking pay her because he's so

Wendy (32:57.197)
Both. It's both.

Kelli (33:16.642)
Dick hurts still that she cheated on him and she's living happily ever after with the guy she cheated on him So Tamara did not have that because Simon was a stand-up guy even though she wanted us to believe that he was a piece of shit He paid for his children and Tamara never wanted for anything Jen's ex is not doing that. He's not paying her what he's supposed to be paying her

Wendy (33:29.41)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (33:36.428)
Right.

Wendy (33:40.067)
It's It's absolutely true.

Kelli (33:41.528)
So, you know, the guy needs to fucking get over it already and do the right thing by your kids and pay some child support.

Wendy (33:50.541)
Yeah, exactly.

Wendy (33:54.733)
So then they get back to the hotel. Jen calls Ryan. her hat said throat goat.

That's That's the hat that Emily gave Jen. So obnoxious.

Kelli (34:05.346)
does that mean?

Kelli (34:11.638)
Yeah, that is kind of gross.

Wendy (34:14.211)
Shannon tells Adeline that she can't walk, she might have to get her toe amputated. Adeline tells her maybe she should get some weed and she won't feel so bad. And Shannon said, well, she had a space cake and now she's gonna be stoned for two years.

Kelli (34:35.214)
Yeah, and she's saying that she's gonna have to have her toe amputated, but she's wearing stiletto boots. Like, what are you doing? What are you doing? Put some comfortable shoes on. Listen, I love a stiletto heel too. With my knees lately, I can't do that. You have to be sensible.

Wendy (34:35.843)
Hmm.

Wendy (34:42.295)
Yeah.

Wendy (34:55.487)
Emily calls up Luke and leaves him a message, which I thought was nice. Heather calls Terry and they're talking about Ace's game and Terry's gonna sit in the bleachers. I guess this is something new for him. I mean, I don't know. I don't know. In the bleachers.

Kelli (35:11.928)
He's like, can you believe I'm going to sit in the bleachers? Where else are you going to sit?

Wendy (35:18.145)
Right, exactly. So it's time for dinner and they're all downstairs and Jen and Gretchen are missing. Then Jen shows up and she's like, I don't know if Gretchen's gonna come. She said, go without her, she may meet us there later. She's very emotional.

Of course, Tamar had a problem with that. Yeah.

Kelli (35:41.016)
And Tamra's like, about what? Yeah, about what?

Wendy (35:47.107)
I thought the place they went to for dinner was weird. was like this open marketplace where like, I mean, Heather got a hot dog and onion rings, fancy pants.

Kelli (35:56.141)
Yeah, and then they like met in the, in a like a common area. Yeah, it was like a food court, Yeah.

Wendy (35:58.563)
Yeah, it was like a food court.

Yeah. Jen and Shannon are dancing around like doing shenanigans in the market. Again, having fun.

Kelli (36:09.72)
I know, they better not let the other lady see that.

Wendy (36:13.077)
I know, and then they go to the bar and they're trying to order the porn star martinis. Like, that was funny. I don't know what the porn star martini is, but I like it.

Kelli (36:21.971)
bunny right

Wendy (36:28.365)
So then they all get back together. All the ladies are back together. And Tamara's like, well, do you think she talked to Slade? And Heather's like, yeah, when you're emotional, don't you call your husband? Of course she talked to Slade. mean, who?

Kelli (36:46.188)
Who else would she call?

Wendy (36:47.723)
Right. It was so stupid.

Kelli (36:50.72)
Mm-hmm. And she did call sleep.

Wendy (36:53.26)
Yeah!

Tamar says, well, do you think it was performative? I don't think it was performative what she did. I don't.

Kelli (37:02.732)
No, I think that Gretchen at this point, and again, I'm not a big Gretchen fan, but I think at this point she's like, it's either I swallow shit and agree to move on with Tamra, or I'm gonna basically get tortured for the rest of this season by this woman. Those are my two options, because Tamra's not giving an inch. She's not giving an inch.

Wendy (37:07.97)
No.

Kelli (37:31.158)
And she can sit back and say she's not done anything, but we have all seen it.

Wendy (37:36.653)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (37:37.942)
I mean the whole, you know, naked wasted thing. Tamber brought that out.

Wendy (37:44.321)
Yes, yes she did.

Yes, she did.

Kelli (37:49.556)
And with that, Katie is no longer filming, but now she's behind the scenes with Katie BFFs.

Wendy (37:59.245)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (38:01.145)
Don't you think we're going to see a lot more of that conversation that she and Katie had at that bar or wherever they met? I mean, we literally saw a couple of minutes of that.

Wendy (38:13.729)
Yeah, I would hope so. I mean, we've got to see more. We've got to see something else. Right?

Kelli (38:14.734)
Mm-hmm.

at least the Slade and Matt conversation.

Kelli (38:32.27)
Well Gretchen showed up two hours late.

Wendy (38:34.583)
Two hours late. Gina asked her if she's okay and she said, yeah, she's okay.

Kelli (38:45.08)
Emily asked her like what happened between the hot tub and now.

And Gretchen says she was hoping Tamara would apologize and clearly that's not happening.

Wendy (38:57.303)
Yeah, exactly. And Shannon said, in Gretchen's defense, she knows what that's like. She's been in that position with Tamara and was waiting for the apology. But now she's a year and a half later, she knows that she's never going to get what she needs. So she set these boundaries. And she knows that that's where Gretchen

Kelli (39:23.726)
Good for her.

Wendy (39:26.753)
Yes, that's what Gretchen needs to do because she's never going to get what she needs. She's not.

Kelli (39:30.934)
Never ever ever ever. And Tamra had the worst stank look on her face. Right.

She just looked so... I don't know.

Wendy (39:49.781)
Then they bring up the whole 12 years. feel like, Gretchen said, you feel like I've been bashing you for 12 years and I'm sorry for that. Tamara said, yeah, and we talked about that earlier.

Kelli (39:50.09)
so then.

Wendy (40:03.505)
It's just like.

Kelli (40:03.746)
Yeah, like she's not, she's not budging. And again, who gives Tamra the power? Who's giving Tamra the power? Just like Alexia in Miami thinks she's got all the power. you know, enough. Teresa on New Jersey, fuck all of you. It's an ensemble cast. And if you can't play nice in the sandbox, get out of the sandbox.

Wendy (40:07.447)
Right.

Wendy (40:17.015)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (40:23.489)
Right.

Wendy (40:27.565)
That's it.

Kelli (40:28.834)
That's it. Stop trying to get other people out of the sandbox who are actually doing their job and actually bringing stuff from their own life into the show.

Wendy (40:40.416)
I agree.

Wendy (40:44.749)
Then supposedly, this is what I don't understand. So then we see Amsterdam day three, Emily and Gina are talking the next morning and saying the whole thing last night with Gretchen is so much. Emily said, I do find her endearing and the fact that she's able to look at herself. But Gina said, I like the person who's in front of me, but then I see the posts that Gretchen likes. So what is it that Gretchen is liking?

Kelli (41:11.694)
From what I'm reading and hearing, I believe that it is some anti-LGB, you know I don't say it right every time, so I don't want to offend anyone, thank you. It's posts are anti-that, that Gretchen is liking, I guess because of her faith, which I don't buy into that because I'm Catholic and I am very pro-LGB.

Wendy (41:14.497)
Okay.

Wendy (41:24.607)
LGBTQ plus IA. I got it. Okay.

Wendy (41:39.669)
Yes, TQ plus IA. Yep.

Kelli (41:42.35)
Thank you. So that's what I'm gathering from what I'm reading and from what I'm hearing because they said, oh, Heather's not gonna like that.

Wendy (41:51.127)
I know that they said Heather's not gonna like that and that's what I was wondering about, but that doesn't add up because I mean, Heather's the one who said that she said that her and Slade weren't gonna get married until everyone could get married. And she was, I mean, she's always been a supporter. She's never, I've, yeah, I've, yeah.

Kelli (42:08.352)
I agree with you, a supporter, yeah, I know. You're right, it doesn't add up. Or the post was about Heather, something derogatory about Heather and she liked it, but I don't think so. And listen, at least Emily said the info is coming from Tamara and I believe Gretchen is innocent until proven guilty. Thank God she said that.

Wendy (42:15.499)
It doesn't.

Wendy (42:34.219)
Right. Right, consider the source.

Kelli (42:38.146)
Consider the source, yeah. So I don't know. From what I, like again, from what I've read and heard, I think that's what it was. It was maybe like some homophobic content on social media and Gretchen liked it. But you're right, that doesn't add up because of her past. We've seen things from her past that would contradict that. So we'll see, we'll see what it was. Yeah.

Wendy (42:59.169)
Yeah, yeah, I don't believe it. don't, I really don't believe it. Emily says that she should be given the opportunity to explain or express, you know, like what her thoughts were. And then they do say that the season finale is next. So it was announced at the end of this episode.

Kelli (43:09.998)
Yeah.

Kelli (43:17.046)
thank God. Horrible season. Horrible, horrible season. But I don't honestly, I don't know how they bounce back from this because listen, I would say reboot, but New York sucks. So I think Housewives is just getting played out. It's just played out because they're not choosing good housewives. They're choosing women who want to be on the Housewives shows. They're not choosing women who actually have like a a Bozma.

Wendy (43:18.763)
Yes. Yeah.

Kelli (43:46.655)
on Beverly Hills. Beautiful addition to the show. This woman is so incredibly accomplished. She has a great daughter, a great relationship with her daughter. Her daughter is choosing to be on camera. Like these are the types of women we wanna see on this show. Not the Tamra who thinks she's going to stir the pot to stay on the show.

Wendy (43:47.171)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (44:16.386)
Right.

Kelli (44:16.5)
What? Why? Why has it become this?

Wendy (44:22.069)
No, it doesn't need to be like this. And as a matter of fact, Garcelle also said that she was not a fan of Bosmas either, which I was surprised to hear.

Kelli (44:33.068)
Yeah, I was surprised. I was surprised to hear that too. But, you know, if you'll recall, I think Bose went for Sutton a little bit. And I personally felt like that was a little bit on behalf of Kyle. And, you know, at the time, Garcell and Sutton were very close. So I think maybe that's where that maybe stems from.

Wendy (44:54.712)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (45:00.387)
Could be.

Kelli (45:00.654)
But you know, we even said this about New York with the reboot. I said it sucked and I stand by that, but here's the thing. Those women didn't suck. Those women actually had, you know, look at Sai. Like she's an extremely successful influencer. She's doing something that people strive to do right now who can't do it. She's doing it and making a shit ton of money at it and God bless her for it. She's very interesting.

know, Uba coming over from where she, like these women were interesting, but the producers pushed them more into a cat fight situation and it just, it didn't land. It didn't land. But they had quality housewives on the show.

Wendy (45:43.159)
Yeah.

Wendy (45:48.405)
It didn't land. mean, I've

They definitely did. Cy was on Jeff Lewis not too long ago when she was talking about, she moved. She's not in Brooklyn anymore. She moved, yeah, she's in downtown. She's downtown in a financial district. She's in Manhattan in a financial district. And she was talking about that. I would love to see, I always liked Cy. I would like to see Cy back. I really would. I would like to see her back.

Kelli (46:01.497)
really?

Kelli (46:05.116)
Wendy (46:18.963)
I would like to see Aaron back. liked Aaron. I would like to see Aaron back. I know you didn't.

Kelli (46:23.32)
I did not like Erin. I don't know what it was about. I just think Erin was a mean girl. I think Cy, the first season she was on with Erin acted like a mean girl alongside her. And then second season, Cy was like, you know what? That really, that's not who I want to be anymore. and I thought we saw like a much nicer side of Cy the second season.

but I don't know, we'll see. Obviously a lot of this is production and what they're telling these women to do and they're steering the direction of the show.

Wendy (46:48.002)
Yeah.

Wendy (46:57.877)
No, they definitely are. They definitely are.

Kelli (46:59.576)
But I don't know what they're gonna do with O.C. because it's not good. This was a terrible season. I thought. My personal opinion.

Wendy (47:09.141)
I agree. So on Watch What Happens Live was Garcelle and Shannon. Andy said to her fresh off the reunion, like, you know, what do you have to say? And she said, well, I usually walk away and say I should have said this or that. She's like, I feel like I said everything I needed to say, which I thought was good. I was glad to hear that. And the number one question for her was,

Kelli (47:28.568)
Yeah, very good. Very good.

Wendy (47:37.517)
Tamar is well known for rage, regret, and repeat. Do you think you could ever trust her again? And she's like, no, I won't. She's like, I've come to a good place with her. I can film with her. I can laugh, but I won't trust her again. I don't blame her. I wouldn't trust her either.

Kelli (47:54.809)
She said, I'll never be close friends with Tamara again. And that's me making a healthy choice. And she's 100 % correct.

Wendy (47:59.938)
Yeah.

Wendy (48:06.817)
I love that Boston Rob was behind the bar.

Kelli (48:07.117)
and I'll.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he's from traitors, right?

Wendy (48:12.738)
Yeah.

Kelli (48:15.084)
I'm looking forward to watching that when it comes on. I guess I should watch a prior season to see how the game is played. Okay. Yeah, that's.

Wendy (48:19.179)
You should watch last season. Yes, because Dorinda's coming back and she was on it the last season.

Kelli (48:28.622)
Yeah.

Wendy (48:34.655)
What else is? What's your friendship? She said her, Garcelle said her friendship is completely over. And yeah, what's that?

Kelli (48:41.432)
with Sutton.

Yeah. What did she say about Kyle?

Wendy (48:47.607)
She would talk to Kyle or she has talked to Kyle. I don't know if it was she would or she has. I don't think she had a problem with Kyle. Which is interesting. She did. Yes. Yes, yes. wait, that's what I wrote. She said she reconnected. Maybe, she would maybe reconnect with Kyle.

Kelli (48:52.833)
Okay. Okay.

Kelli (48:57.166)
which is funny because when she first came on the show, she did, right? She was the only one she did actually have a problem with. Yeah, interesting.

Kelli (49:11.723)
okay, that's what it was.

Wendy (49:13.771)
Yeah, she said.

Kelli (49:15.763)
We haven't seen a season without her yet, right? That was the last reunion that she quit. Okay.

Wendy (49:20.001)
Yep. Her biggest regret about her time in the show was her son, Jack's getting hurt, which I don't blame her.

Kelli (49:28.888)
Well, yeah, because it wasn't just that scene with Erica. It was what was happening to him on social media. My God, that was horrible. And to know that basically you were responsible for that because had you not been on the show, this never would have happened. That's horrible for a mother to have to bear that.

Wendy (49:33.068)
Yeah.

And yeah, it was horrible.

Wendy (49:43.778)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Wendy (49:52.067)
Andy asked Shannon if she's closing the door on a friendship with Katie Janela.

And her answer was, I'm on a housewife show with her, so I say never say never. That's the right answer.

Kelli (50:07.734)
I really liked that she said that because she's not giving any indication that Katie was not asked back. She's not giving any indication about anything about casting when she says that. I really thought that was a good answer.

Wendy (50:23.509)
Mm-hmm. And Andy asked, you closing the doors on reconciling with Trace Amigos? And she said, yeah, that's not possible.

Kelli (50:32.535)
Nah, it's just not.

Wendy (50:38.389)
Are you closing the door with ever becoming friendly with Alexis and John? She's like, well, I did pay him the money that I didn't owe him. I'm going to say, yes, I'm closing that door.

Kelli (50:48.782)
But she did say like a couple of times, she said like, listen, that was two years ago. I wish them all the best. Like, you know, to keep trying to rehash things with them. Like she's like, I'm over it. It was two years ago. And I think she did say she was dating someone, didn't she?

Wendy (50:53.793)
Yes. Yup.

Wendy (51:07.576)
No, nobody's specific, but you know, she's open. She's open to it. The door is closed for Earl the Pearl though.

Kelli (51:10.742)
Okay. Yeah.

yes, she did say that. She did say that.

Wendy (51:18.325)
Yes. I wonder if Earl the Pearl is dating Galena from McBee dynasty.

Kelli (51:26.152)
I'm getting the impression, and this is just my thoughts, but I'm getting the impression that Earl the Pearl just wanted to be on TV and wants to have, I think that that's why Shannon probably put the kibosh on whatever relationship they had. He probably just wanted that limelight. He wanted his 15 minutes. And clearly Galena wants her 15 minutes. Galena's not going anywhere. Although,

Wendy (51:48.759)
Yeah, that's possible.

Yeah.

Kelli (51:55.479)
I mean, she's really out and about in the Bravo world, but I guess Steven Jr. is too, because that guy, he likes his limelight too, obviously.

Wendy (52:03.895)
Yeah, I'm actually really looking forward to BravoCon, not that we're going, but I'm really looking forward to all the content we're gonna be able to get. I'm sure Peacock is gonna be streaming it like they did last year or no, the year before. know, I watch what happens lives.

Kelli (52:09.26)
Right.

Kelli (52:17.11)
Yeah, yeah.

Kelli (52:24.29)
Yeah, we're good to see them.

Wendy (52:26.347)
Yeah, it's gonna be here before we know it.

Kelli (52:29.283)
I know.

Wendy (52:31.959)
I think we should put that on our vision board that we need to go next year. If they have it next year, might be doing every other year.

Kelli (52:39.362)
Well, our friends at Husbands Watching Housewives told us that a lot of the panels are like below deck people. Like there wasn't as much Housewives things as they anticipated. So I don't know. I feel like tides are turning with the Housewives shows. I guess we have to wait and see, but I mean, just them doing, you know, the wife swap. Like I feel like they're trying to branch out and I think they should branch out because, you know.

Wendy (52:55.17)
Hmm.

Wendy (53:04.825)
I, yeah, I agree.

Kelli (53:06.348)
Like we said, I mean, the ones that they're casting are just, you know, thirsty. They're just thirsty. They just want to be, they're Jen Festlers. They just want to be on TV.

Wendy (53:18.315)
Jen Fessler was on Jeff Lewis too. my gosh, it was so funny. Who was she on with?

Kelli (53:25.326)
I have a hard time listening to her. by the way, I don't know if I mentioned this. I'm sorry, I don't mean to cut you off. I don't want to forget this again. So I'm rewatching Jersey. Now I'm on season nine. But Siggy, remember when Siggy had the party where she like embarrassed Melissa about the cake? And she was like, that's all I ever wanted. And she lays on the floor. That's all I ever wanted. Jen Fessler was at that party.

Wendy (53:25.687)
I can't.

she was

Wendy (53:45.044)
yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (53:53.291)
I think Jen Fessler met Margaret through Siggy. Well, maybe not, but I think that's how long ago Margaret knows Jen Fessler. was season, not season six, season seven. Season seven or...

Wendy (53:57.324)
It could be.

Wendy (54:05.955)
You just said season eight. You said you were watching season eight.

Kelli (54:10.496)
It was season eight, because I'm on season nine and this is the first one without Siggy and that happened her second season. Okay, yeah, season eight. Jen Fessler was at that party where she lays on the floor and embarrasses Melissa.

Wendy (54:24.941)
So one of the things she was talking about on Jeff Lewis is, you know, she used to be the ambassador for the American Dream Wall in New Jersey. You didn't know that? my gosh, I would see commercials for her and I would see her on social media, like talking about the American Dream Wall. I have no idea, but she got fired because every time she would go on Jeff Lewis, he would ask her questions about the American Dream Wall and she didn't have any of the answers.

Kelli (54:33.495)
I did not know.

Kelli (54:40.526)
Well how'd she get that gig?

Kelli (54:54.49)
wait, after she was the housewife, she became the, well, she was never a housewife, a friend of, that's how she got the gig. Okay, okay.

Wendy (54:57.315)
Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. And she's like, it was, they fired her. She's like, it was a very good paying gig. We are not on speaking terms. And she's very mad at Jeff. I don't know if that was like a sticker now, but it seemed pretty true. wait, who was she on with? She was on with Tom Arnold. my gosh. She was on with Tom Arnold.

Kelli (55:05.336)
and they fired her?

Kelli (55:17.142)
That's pretty funny.

Kelli (55:22.631)
I might listen to that because I like him.

Wendy (55:25.187)
Yeah, she was on with Tom Arnold and Tom Arnold was really like, you know, he was like giving her a hard time, but he was playing with her. It was actually enjoyable to listen to. Yeah.

Kelli (55:36.332)
Yeah, yeah, I'll listen to that. I haven't listened to Heather MacDonald in a while.

Wendy (55:43.299)
I have, I have. I don't listen to all of her episodes, but if I see somebody good is on, I will listen to it. Jen Fessler did say that she no longer has the podcast Two Jersey Jays, but she has the podcast with Gia, the one about rushing, like sorority rushing. Yeah. It's part of, it's, I have no idea. I won't listen to it.

Kelli (55:48.96)
Yeah, that's what I do. That's what I do.

Kelli (56:05.571)
Huh?

How much can you talk about that?

Wendy (56:13.085)
And then she has another podcast. I don't know what the other podcast is.

Kelli (56:17.016)
Well, she's not gonna do a podcast with Jackie anymore, because Jackie tried to start that fake beef with her at the Reality Tea Awards. Remember? my God, that was so funny when Loree and I saw her. And Loree's like, you follow us, don't you?

Wendy (56:31.501)
That's so funny. It's just so, it's classic Lori.

Kelli (56:33.622)
and I'm behind her like this. We don't care about her. Let's fucking go get that cigarette. Yeah, so that's weird. She's got a podcast with Gia.

Wendy (56:37.058)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (56:46.605)
Yeah.

Kelli (56:48.994)
I mean, how much can you talk about sorority? Well, I guess you can, I guess you can. Wait, so does Gia not have hers anymore? Okay, because that, mean, I'm not a Gia fan, but I know people seem to like her podcast.

Wendy (56:55.327)
No, Gia still has hers.

Wendy (57:03.133)
I am a Gia fan now. actually am a Gia fan. I am a Gia fan. Well, between that and Next Gen, mean, actually I'm a huge Ariana fan because of Next Gen. Speaking of which, I know, I know, supposedly he was cheating on her. Yes, yes, supposedly he was cheating on her.

Kelli (57:04.904)
I know, because of special forces, I know.

Kelli (57:16.182)
I can't believe her and her boyfriend broke up, huh?

Kelli (57:22.35)
I didn't hear that.

that's terrible.

Wendy (57:29.139)
I know, I know, I know. But then they were saying that was just for storyline. I don't believe that. I don't believe that she would do that. I don't get that from her.

Kelli (57:32.412)
Ew, a jerk.

Kelli (57:38.318)
I hope not, but she is Kim Zolciak's daughter. Remember that.

Wendy (57:41.963)
Yeah, she's, I know, but she's stand up. you know, she called out her mother. She's not like her mother. But speaking of her mother, did you see her mother was named in a $100 million divorce? Okay, you go get your bag.

Kelli (57:44.896)
I know, she's not like her, right?

Kelli (57:54.914)
Yeah. And Croy issued a warning to that guy. She's gonna suck you dry with her gambling.

Wendy (58:00.119)
Yep.

Wendy (58:03.756)
Mm-hmm

Kelli (58:05.57)
I see it every day, people. Stay away from the gambling, especially the online. No bueno. Yep. So. All right, we're approaching an hour.

Wendy (58:11.329)
yeah, it'll get you. It'll get you.

Wendy (58:20.075)
Okay, we're done then. No, they don't. Do we have a question? We did. Do we have a question? I think of a question.

Kelli (58:21.602)
Nobody wants to listen to us that long.

Kelli (58:27.214)
covered a lot though.

Kelli (58:32.814)
Listen who-

Wendy (58:33.973)
Okay, here's the question. Who do you want to come back to OC for season 20? So season 20 is the next season. So do you guys want to see like some OGs like some Gina Kia, Tammy Knickerbocker, Joe? Like who do you guys want to see come back? Or do you want, I'm just throwing, yeah, I'm just throwing names out there. Or do you want to see,

Kelli (58:47.79)
Tammy Nickerbocker.

Kelli (58:54.318)
I think we saw Joe enough this season. Yeah.

Wendy (59:02.339)
Gretchen, not Gretchen. Why can't I think of her name? Vicky, I just blanked. Vicky Gumbelson. I would like to see Vicky Gumbelson. I know, I know. I would like to see Vicky Gumbelson come back. I definitely would like to see her come back.

Kelli (59:10.638)
Don't let her hear you say that for crying out loud. I feel like they should bring back Vicki and Gina at least. Yeah, at least some cameos.

Wendy (59:23.383)
for season 20. Okay. Yes, yes. So let us know what you guys think. Who do you think should come back to the OC for season 20? Okay. Until next time, thank you for watching and listening. Please subscribe and give us five star reviews. Bye.

Kelli (59:34.636)
Yep, good question. All right.

Kelli (59:43.065)
Bye.