RHOC-Tamra Takes the Cake and Storms Off Again

Wendy (00:00.985)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever, I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:04.277)
I'm Kelly.

Wendy (00:05.785)
We are talking about Real Housewives of Orange County, season 19, episode number 13, Not So Funfetti. It's all right.

We start out with Gretchen and Jen are out to lunch and Gretchen's telling Jen that Heather and Emily were salivating at the mouth over listening to the footage of Tamar singing. I mean...

Kelli (00:33.292)
Now I agree that Emily was, but Heather was not.

Wendy (00:37.751)
Yes, I agree.

Kelli (00:39.126)
And I'm not a big Fancy Pants fan, but I will call it as it is, she wasn't.

Wendy (00:44.417)
Right. No, Emily was definitely pushing for it and she said it over and over again. And then we see that, because they're talking about some spring fling party, then we see that last week after Tamar stormed out of the self-defense place, she walks back in and says, you're all invited to my spring fling party. mean, everyone except for you. And she points to Gretchen because, bitch, you can't change. I was like,

Kelli (00:49.262)
Mm-hmm, absolutely.

Wendy (01:14.585)
Come on. Like, there's nothing worse than a storm out when you come back in.

Kelli (01:20.558)
I was thinking the same thing. listen, I have moments in my household and the people who live with me will attest to same. I can blow up, but the blow up and then I wish, no, she didn't say she quits here. I'm sorry, that's at her house. And then the going back in like, oh, and by the way, I'm hosting a party like Sybil.

Wendy (01:48.705)
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's crazy. It's crazy. Yeah. And honestly, I wish they would have showed us that last week. Don't end with her walking out. End with her walking back in acting like the damn crazy person.

Kelli (01:48.706)
like multiple personalities.

Crazy.

Kelli (02:03.252)
Exactly, exactly. Listen, I said it on the last pod we did with the husbands watching How's Wife. So please everybody tune into that because we had so much fun doing it. We are watching the show that the producers want us to see. We're not necessarily watching exactly what happens in true time.

Wendy (02:18.617)
Yeah.

Wendy (02:23.521)
Right, right. And we see Tamar's decorating her house for the party and she's talking to Eddie about it. And she's saying she needs help and he's like, I'll you get the tables cleaned and I'll help you with this. And then she says her back hurts and he's like, what happened? And she said, well, when she jumped over Gina during the prank, she hurt her back, which I can believe happened because that whole thing we talked about last week, how crazy that was.

Kelli (02:51.918)
That was pretty crazy.

Wendy (02:53.175)
Yeah. And she's telling Eddie that she found out what Gretchen had said at the sleepover at Heather's house in LA. And that when she found out, she wound up blurting out 12 years of FUs. She was so mad. And he's like, yeah, I can understand that. What?

Kelli (03:17.336)
Yeah, he's just going, he's along for the ride, Eddie. He's just along for the ride. He's waiting for the three months of filming to be over so he can get his wife back.

Wendy (03:21.485)
Right. Yeah.

Wendy (03:28.001)
Yeah, I think that's true. I really think that's true.

Kelli (03:30.431)
I really do. I think he just sucks it up for three months and is like, all right, do whatever you got to do for the paycheck and then let's go to Big Bear when you're done.

Wendy (03:39.649)
Yeah. So then she goes, well, that's not the best part. You know, I got a call from, we're going to call it the pop star's wife and Jen followed him today. I was like, who cares? Who cares?

Kelli (03:54.67)
So I do think it's very odd that Jen followed this guy. And this is what I think. I think Jen followed the guy thinking that the guy would know who she was and he didn't because why would he? Like you're what two seasons in Jen? Like this guy's not gonna know who you are. She purposefully did it and she says it this episode. Like I did it to see if

He would give me some information. But he doesn't know who you are, you're Jen Pedranti. He doesn't know who you are. It's weird that she followed him.

Wendy (04:24.457)
what it was all about. No, right, to see what this was all about.

Wendy (04:36.601)
don't think it's that weird. don't, I don't. I really don't. I think she followed him because, I mean, she said she did it to see, you know, what it was all about or what he was all about. Like, I think she followed, and, you know, later on it comes up, Heather's like, well, you can see what he's all about without following him. Like, you can look at his page without following him. But, I mean, you can follow someone too. Like, what does it, like, honestly, I have no idea who follows me or I just don't know.

Kelli (04:53.676)
Yeah, yeah.

Wendy (05:06.049)
I really don't. I don't know who follows me.

Kelli (05:06.958)
Well, the fact that the wife reached out to Tamra is a little odd.

Wendy (05:10.583)
Well, I think that Tamar reached out to the wife.

Kelli (05:14.926)
Probably.

Wendy (05:15.809)
I think the tamer reached out to the wife and said what came out and then she said, okay. Well, this person just followed him because she had the exact time, which again is crazy.

Kelli (05:28.972)
the exact time, which is weird. How do you even find that out? You can't see that if you just look at who followed you.

Wendy (05:37.581)
No, the only way you can see that is if you're looking at it like real time. When that notification comes up, right? You look at it like, right? That's the only way you would know. But that's crazy. Who cares?

Kelli (05:41.516)
Right. Right. Right.

Yes, yes, yes. Crazy. Who cares? You're right, you're right, who cares? But I really think Jen thought by following him, he'd be like, hey, look who it is. But he was like, who the fuck is this?

Wendy (05:52.546)
Yeah.

Wendy (06:00.457)
I mean, that could be. I don't think that was her motive. I don't really think she's that well thought out, to be quite honest with you. And she also goes on to tell Eddie that she's not happy with Heather, that she's been friends with her for 15 years. And once again, she's like, you were in my wedding. OK, do we have to hear that every time you bring up her name? We know that Heather was in your wedding. We know that. Thank you.

Kelli (06:22.188)
And honestly, if Heather weren't on the show with you at the time, she wouldn't have been in the wedding, so.

Wendy (06:27.149)
Yeah, that's very true.

Then we see Heather and Shannon meet up and they're doing this. I don't even know how to pronounce it. Kinsange? Kinsugi? It's some s-

Kelli (06:39.81)
I don't know. I don't know. I said they are, I said Heather and Shannon go somewhere because that's how much I did not understand what they were doing.

Wendy (06:48.057)
you

So what they were doing is some kind of Japanese artwork thing. So they take a piece of ceramic and then they wrapped it in a towel and they break it. And then the, I guess the point of it is then you put it back together. So you tear it apart and then you build it back together. I guess it's supposed to be healing or something. I don't know.

Kelli (07:13.388)
Yeah, looks like it's therapeutic. But this is how karma works, And this is why I try not to be negative, but I know on here sometimes I get there. So I have written down here, Shannon has broken readers. They are literally $5 at CVS. She couldn't stop on her way. Now, I watched this the other night. Then I go to the salon yesterday and work. And what do I do? I break my readers.

and I have yet to go to CVS to buy a new pair for $5 like I thought Shannon should have on her way to doing this. This is how karma works.

Wendy (07:50.669)
There you go. That is how Karma works, right?

Kelli (07:55.036)
Mm-hmm. Yep. So I'm going into work tomorrow, my real job, with broken readers.

Wendy (08:01.932)
Ugh.

So then we see Gina and Emily, meet up to go shopping and Gina shows Emily the picture of her at the concert of the boy band in 2021 because she's a huge fan of this boy band. Yes. You're not allowed to say it. They never say it on the show. I'm joking. No, they never say it. They always believe it out. You could say it. Exactly, right?

Kelli (08:16.334)
Yeah, 98 degrees. Yeah.

I thought they did.

it's like you can't say the Super Bowl, you have to say the big game. I still can't tell you the guy's name. I only know Nick Lachey and his brother. I don't even know his first name.

Wendy (08:34.073)
you

Hmm.

Wendy (08:43.349)
Yeah, I don't know his name either. Yeah, I don't even care though. Does anybody care? Nobody cares. Right, nobody cares. That she's a huge fan of this boy band. so she was very interested in this whole thing. She's like, I mean, I never, I would have been interested in sleeping with him. Basically is what she was saying.

Kelli (08:44.642)
the brothers first name

I don't care either.

Kelli (09:06.67)
Well, you find out one of your friends slept with one of your crushes, that's interesting.

Wendy (09:10.955)
Yeah, that is interesting. Shannon asked Heather, did you ever hear the song? And Heather's like, no, I never heard it because they didn't play it. They never played it. And Shannon's like, well, how do you even sing and moan at the same time? And then Heather did her impression of singing and moaning. OK, we did not need that. We didn't need that.

Kelli (09:34.38)
I definitely could have done without.

Wendy (09:36.653)
Yeah.

Kelli (09:38.83)
I could have done with that.

Wendy (09:41.273)
Gina said one of the things that Heather doesn't like is how aggressive Tamar gets. And she does, she really gets so aggressive. She just goes from zero to a hundred. She's got no calm middle ground at all.

Kelli (09:50.606)
She sure does.

Kelli (09:56.301)
No, but then she'll say, I don't explode in public. Yes, you do.

Wendy (10:00.844)
Yeah.

Yes, you do. And you know what's interesting? I happened to listen to her recapping Salt Lake City. Did you happen to listen to her on 2Ts? And she was talking about

Kelli (10:11.914)
I haven't listened to two tees in quite some time because between Tamara and Dolores, I have no use for it. I very much enjoy listening to Teddy and I'll listen to her with Erica Jane, but yeah.

Wendy (10:26.627)
So when she was recapping Salt Lake City with Lisa Barlow, I just think that this is very interesting. They were talking about the poster boards and how Lisa was acting like Tamara, which you had said when we were recapping it, right? So Tamara recognized that behavior as her behavior. She acknowledged it. She's like, I get the same. I thought so too. She goes, I get the same way. goes, I can't. She's like, I get so mad. I can't even speak. Like I just revert to.

Kelli (10:47.704)
That's interesting.

Wendy (10:56.739)
flipping out just exactly like Lisa did. I thought to myself, the fact that she's been on the show so many years and she sees herself do it and doesn't recognize it until she sees it in another housewife. Right. Yeah, I thought that was very interesting.

Kelli (10:59.778)
Wow.

Kelli (11:11.64)
someone else doing it. Wow!

Kelli (11:18.388)
I'm surprised she acknowledged it. That's self reflection right there and I'm happy to hear that.

Wendy (11:24.811)
Yeah, I was surprised. I was surprised. So Emily says, one of the questions at the sleepover in LA was, you know, who do you trust the least? And Heather said, Tamera, and Emily admitted that she wouldn't trust her with sensitive information. And everyone there has said that. Every single one of them has said that because when she gets mad, she weaponizes it. And it's obvious. Right. Right.

Kelli (11:27.288)
Yeah.

Kelli (11:47.916)
Yeah, you can't blame them. It's very obvious.

Wendy (11:54.143)
And you know, back at the ceramic rebuilding thing, Shannon tells Heather that and... I know, I know.

Kelli (12:00.748)
I can't stand the back and forth, by the way. I cannot stand the back and forth.

Wendy (12:06.329)
She tells her in Temecula her name came up about her doing the Groundlings. And Heather said, well, by the way, I am a comedic actress. Like, don't they know I was on a sitcom for many years? And I guess you have to audition to be a part of the Groundlings, which I didn't know. But she was very insulted that they were questioning her acting. And honestly, I don't blame her. That is her profession. That is her career.

If you're gonna make fun of it.

Kelli (12:35.768)
Listen, I don't find Heather, I don't find her very funny. But she was on sitcoms. I looked up her IMDB. There's plenty on there. A lot of it was one episode, one episode, one episode, which whatever. But the bottom line is maybe that's why she's taking these classes. She's been out of practice for a long time. She was on sit.

Wendy (12:44.513)
Yes.

Kelli (13:03.63)
She wants to get back into that so she's taking classes to perfect her craft

Wendy (13:06.681)
Right.

Kelli (13:12.078)
I mean, I don't know.

Wendy (13:14.551)
Yeah, it's just honestly.

Kelli (13:16.152)
think it's a big deal that they were making fun of it, but, you know, she's gonna think it is.

Wendy (13:22.369)
It, yeah, well, cause it's mean girl behavior, right?

Then we see Jen goes to the tattoo shop with her son Dawson and her other son. I don't remember his name, the younger one.

Kelli (13:38.262)
Me neither and I thought I wrote it down. Okay, okay.

Wendy (13:40.643)
Grayson, did write it down, I did Grayson, Grayson. So he's getting a tattoo because he's going to be leaving in July and he's going to be gone for 13 weeks in bootcamp because he's joined the Marines and then he'll be home for 10 days and then he's going to be gone again. So he's going to, yeah, that is rough. He's getting four sevens across his chest. He said they meant something, but I don't, he didn't really say what they meant. I don't know what they mean.

Kelli (13:55.566)
That's rough.

Kelli (14:05.56)
Yeah, I don't either.

Wendy (14:07.085)
But as he's having the tattoo towards the end of it, he passes out. I actually, I'll be honest with you, I thought he was having a seizure the way he was kicking. I do too, but they didn't acknowledge a seizure. They said that he passed out. And just this past weekend, he graduated from boot camp. And I don't know if you saw this, he passed out at his graduation. So...

Kelli (14:15.416)
So did I, I have that written down. I think he had a seizure.

Kelli (14:32.972)
I did. I did see that.

Wendy (14:36.685)
I hope he's okay. Like I hope that this isn't a medical condition that's causing him to pass out.

Kelli (14:44.322)
I totally agree with you. Now, I think that obviously the people at the tattoo shop responded very well. Obviously they've seen something similar before. I mean, it's a tattoo shop. I'm sure people pass out a lot. So they had the smelling salts, they had the lollipop, you know, they did what they had to do. But I was thinking the same thing because I did see that post that he passed out. is this some kind of medical condition that they maybe weren't aware of?

Wendy (14:45.817)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (15:11.074)
Right.

Yeah, I mean, I don't know. Like I said, I hope that it's not. And I hope they obviously they'll probably get them checked out, I would imagine to make sure that.

Kelli (15:20.376)
Well, I mean, you have to go through crazy, like, you know, screenings and stuff before you even go into the military. So you would think you have to go through like medical, you have to get cleared medically.

Wendy (15:28.695)
I don't think so. I mean, I think...

Wendy (15:34.743)
Yeah, but I don't know how create like I don't know how extensive it is. I don't know if they're like doing like all this blood work and doing EKG's and do it. You know what I'm saying? I don't know how extensive it is.

Kelli (15:42.721)
Well, yeah, but I mean, it has to be something similar to the police academy, which is very rough to get through. Like I would feel, I would think that if you had some kind of medical condition, it would have come up prior to the day of your graduation in the 13 weeks of training. The training is rigorous. So hopefully it's not some kind of medical condition.

Wendy (16:03.469)
Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm hoping too. And while she's there, she's talking to them about, you know, marrying Ryan and, you know, what their thoughts are on it. And Grayson is, you know, he's like, listen, he's super kind to us and he treats you well. you know, I love him. I think he's a great guy. So I thought that was really good for her to hear that from her son, you know?

Kelli (16:31.69)
Absolutely. Absolutely.

Wendy (16:35.561)
then Emily and Shane and the kids are having pizza except for Luke who'll only eat white rice from Trader Joe's. And that's the only white rice he'll eat. She also lets us know that they're seeing separate therapists for both of her boys and she's not sure if Keller's doing it because he needs it or because he feels left out, but either way he's going to benefit from it. So I think it's fine. Yep.

Kelli (16:46.412)
I love Trader Joe's, Luke. I'm with you.

Kelli (17:01.046)
Everybody benefits from therapy, so I wouldn't even question it. I thought it was funny when Emily told Shane he can give her a Roomba, but not as a gift. So I got a Roomba as a Christmas gift one year. My husband has a very creative way of, listen, he always gets me a wife gift too. Don't get me wrong. I always get a bag or shoes or something. But there's always a house gift that is pawned off as part of my Christmas gift.

Wendy (17:13.657)
Kelli (17:31.086)
the air fryer, the Roomba, the KitchenAid mixer, I don't bake by the way, so that really should have been a test gift. But I thought it was so funny when she said that, I'm like, oh, I got a Roomba as a Christmas gift one year. Yeah.

Wendy (17:44.665)
That is funny. So she starts talking about his diagnosis, how it's, you know, it's kind of complicated and, you know, they don't really know whether or not he's autistic. He's got ADHD, OCD, anxiety, the learning disability and dyslexia. That's, that's a lot.

Kelli (18:06.766)
That's a lot.

Wendy (18:09.559)
and that they're come up with a plan because really the learning disability seems to be his biggest challenge right now. They're gonna come up with a plan so that he can overcome these hurdles. What struck me was she said, you know, he's in the fourth grade and I didn't even know he couldn't read. Now, like that does strike me as something like fourth grade. mean, how could you not know he didn't read?

Kelli (18:37.836)
my feeling is how has this not come up in a parent teacher conference? Because I later after this episode saw a post and she said, let me be clear, he can read, but he's not on a fourth grade level. A lot of kids read not at their grade level. She didn't say that during the episode or if she did, didn't hear her say that. So she didn't clear it up in a post. I've, you know, we've all gone through teacher parent conferences, parent teacher conferences, and they are

Wendy (18:49.375)
Okay. Okay.

Wendy (18:55.347)
No. Right.

Kelli (19:07.726)
pretty specific with where your kids are at. So even if he wasn't reading at grade level, that probably would have come up at a parent-teacher conference, I would think.

Wendy (19:11.159)
Yes.

Wendy (19:20.973)
Yes, absolutely. And honestly, yeah.

Kelli (19:22.946)
because they break them into groups, right? According to their level, typically.

Wendy (19:28.119)
Yeah, and it's a very specific grade, like it's a very specific reading test that they do to come up with the grade levels that they're reading at. Like it's not like it's an arbitrary thing, like it's very specific. So it sounds to me like, I'm glad that you clarified that, that she clarified that. So there should have been a child study team involved way earlier than fourth grade.

Kelli (19:36.64)
Right. Right. Right.

Kelli (19:48.28)
Yeah.

Wendy (19:54.295)
Like why wouldn't the teacher, if he's not reading at grade level, that's the first thing. That's the first time, you know, I've been through a child study team with my children, like, and reading at grade level is the first thing that like, it's the basis, it's a basis for all subjects in learning. So if you're not reading at grade level, you're going to have a problem in every single class.

Kelli (20:09.047)
It's an indicator.

Kelli (20:19.79)
going to affect everything else.

Wendy (20:21.751)
Right. So I was a little surprised about that. But I'm glad that she has this information now and that they're working, you know, they're working towards it.

Kelli (20:31.5)
I believe in this post she also said he started a new school.

Wendy (20:36.395)
okay.

Kelli (20:37.984)
I believe it was the same post.

Wendy (20:39.969)
Okay. She also mentions how Shane has totally changed his parenting style since he's gotten this diagnosis. And I think that that's awesome because before, know, Shane, and we kind of saw that he was like, well, why are we rewarding bad behavior? He's not doing what we ask him to do. Like, you know, why are you coddling him? But now he's, he's really doing more of like a positive reinforcement and he's really meeting him where he's at, which is kind of what you need to do.

Kelli (21:06.646)
Yeah, I think Shane had like a tough love kind of, you know, that's how he approached it. But, you know, not every kid responds to that. We both have very different children from our own kid. Like our own kid is very different from the other one. So where tough love might work for one, it might not work for the other. And I think you have to be aware, you can't parent all of your children the same way. I think we can both state that.

Wendy (21:21.301)
Yes. Yeah.

Wendy (21:29.507)
Yeah.

Kelli (21:36.406)
You know, yeah.

Wendy (21:36.441)
Oh, 100%, 100%. Then we, this next scene I really could have done without. Gretchen and Slayden and Skyler doing their photo shoot and the FaceTime from Shannon. Did we need to see that? I don't think we did. I really don't.

Kelli (21:53.384)
I don't think we did because it was ridiculous.

Wendy (21:58.169)
It was. 100 % was ridiculous.

Kelli (22:01.704)
I think that Gretchen, I think she's like, she's just putting on a show, like her whole life is just putting on a show for people.

Wendy (22:14.933)
And she's a friend of, like, do we need to see a photo shoot from a friend of? We don't need that. We don't need that. No, no. So they're gonna be decorating cakes at Tamara's Spring Fling party. Emily is the first one there. And I wrote down, I love, love, love Emily's dress.

Kelli (22:17.486)
Wait, why are we seeing this?

Kelli (22:24.704)
No! No!

Kelli (22:40.77)
Yes, me too. Me too.

Wendy (22:42.525)
That was such a figure flattering dress for Emily. I love that dress.

Kelli (22:46.574)
She looked great, Emily. She looked great. Yes.

Wendy (22:51.599)
so she gets.

Kelli (22:53.592)
Did we talk about the flashback to the eating the bow off of the cake yet? Or did that happen yet?

Wendy (22:59.565)
That didn't happen yet, but you can bring it up. That's what, cause that's, Tamar said those are going to be no bows on the cake. Yeah.

Kelli (23:06.966)
I'm sorry, but Terry DeBrow's reaction to Heather and Heather's face, like she ate the bow off of my cake. And Terry DeBrow's like, she what? I mean, the reaction to someone taking a piece of sugar off of a cake.

Wendy (23:18.457)
I know.

Wendy (23:26.731)
It was a tiny little piece. It's not like she'd gripped the whole boa. It was a tiny little piece. I don't even remember who did that. Do you remember who did it?

Kelli (23:28.778)
It was so tiny.

Kelli (23:34.959)
that girl, I forget her name. She had dark hair. She was Gretchen and Alexis Spelino's friend. Yeah, she was definitely a friend. She was on the outset, but she was in that season a decent amount and I forget her name, but she, I mean, she was clearly very drunk that evening, but my God, Terry's reaction. was like as if somebody had just stolen a

Wendy (23:41.315)
friend. She was a friend.

Wendy (23:55.277)
Right. It was a tiny piece of the bow.

I know.

Kelli (24:02.734)
Christian Louboutin out of her closet. my God, it's like Terry, chill.

Wendy (24:04.057)
It was definitely overreacting. Speaking of Gretchen and Alexis Bellino, Alexis Bellino got married this weekend.

Kelli (24:10.624)
Yes.

Kelli (24:16.398)
She sure did. I will say I loved her dress.

Wendy (24:19.447)
Which one? she had, you did not like the second dress. The second dress was horrible.

Kelli (24:21.354)
no, I did not like the second one. That was ridiculous. The first one, the first one I thought was very pretty, but I don't like her.

Wendy (24:29.217)
So I read that she uninvited Jen Padranti. yeah, so Jen was originally invited, but she uninvited her. But her son graduated this weekend, so I don't think she was going to be going anyway. Wasn't that this weekend too? I think that they were both this week.

Kelli (24:36.526)
You're kidding!

Kelli (24:46.908)
right, that's right, right, right, right. I bet you Jen responded no because of her son's graduation and then Alexis probably put it out there like, I uninvited her anyway. Because maybe people would have questioned like, I thought Jen was supposed to be there. But if you see that her son graduated, you're gonna know why she wasn't there.

Wendy (25:05.898)
I don't know, I just thought that was odd. But obviously Tamar was there and Galena was there and Joe was there. Who else was there?

Kelli (25:08.106)
Very odd.

Kelli (25:19.404)
That's all I saw.

Wendy (25:22.113)
Yeah, Shannon wasn't there. Could you imagine? Heather was not there. Jim, No, I didn't see Heather. Heather wasn't there. And I thought Heather was friends with Alexis.

Kelli (25:24.814)
Shannon was not there. Was Jim Bellino there?

Kelli (25:32.77)
Heather was not there.

Kelli (25:40.802)
Yeah, interesting.

Wendy (25:43.393)
Yeah, I don't know. Maybe we'll get more information about that. Not that I care. I don't really care. I just brought it up. Emily says that she was very surprised by Gretchen's behavior. It was not very Christian behavior. And I was like, what does that mean? And then she's like, well, when I went to pick her up for the LA sleepover, her and Slayden Schuyler had a prayer moment outside the car and then they show it to us. I was like, what?

Kelli (25:49.634)
Bears. Yeah.

Kelli (26:12.416)
Again, producers should have shown us that to begin with. But do you follow Gretchen on social media? yeah, she put, I mentioned this a couple of episodes ago. She pushes her Christianity a lot. Which listen, I'm a Christian, I'm okay with it. Do what you gotta do. she, I feel like maybe she uses it when it's convenient for her.

Wendy (26:19.264)
No, I don't.

Kelli (26:42.988)
And I think that that's what Emily's point kind of was as well.

Wendy (26:47.363)
Honestly, I feel like Alexis Bellino does the same thing.

Kelli (26:50.902)
I think she certainly did when she was first on the show, she and Jim. I mean, they really made a big deal about that. She and Jim, when they were married. But I think Gretchen, again, I think Gretchen just wants to portray a certain.

Wendy (27:12.078)
Yeah.

Kelli (27:12.152)
picture of her life. And I don't know if that's necessarily what's really going on.

Wendy (27:17.847)
Yeah, I honestly don't think it is. And again, I don't need these bullshit scenes. I don't need to see them. I don't need to see them. Emily then tells Tamara that one of the questions at the sleepover was out of this group of women, like, who do you trust the least? And Heather said, Tamara. And Emily's like, and I said you also. Well, she lost it. She lost it again. She lost it.

Kelli (27:22.902)
No, no, I'm all set.

Kelli (27:43.896)
She sure did. But thankfully, Emily calls her out for not having clean hands all the time. And the funniest thing is then Tamar goes to run away, because that's Tamar does. She's at her own house.

Wendy (27:51.405)
Right. Yeah.

Wendy (27:56.908)
Right.

I know, where is she going?

Kelli (28:01.262)
She had to go upstairs to her bedroom

Kelli (28:06.638)
I think what happens is Tamara gets caught off guard and she's such a strategizer. When she's caught off guard, she really doesn't know how to respond.

Wendy (28:22.871)
I mean, that could be it, but she just overreacts to everything.

Kelli (28:27.352)
She's just very defensive. She is, you can dish it, but you can't take it. I mean, she's really like the picture of it.

Wendy (28:40.003)
So Tamara's like, you know, that really hurt my feelings. And Emily's like, well, you have to admit that you do this. And Tamara walks away and says, you know, I can't do this right now. Emily says, so now you're pissed at me? She said, no, I'm hurt by you. Okay, I'm glad she said that. Listen, I think that's what it was. I think she was hurt because she thinks, and she's actually said this, it might have been on her podcast or someone else's podcast. You know, Emily's podcast, Legally Brunette, is under her.

on I Heart. So technically she does work for her. Like it's under her umbrella. So she's like, I feel like she's betrayed me. She really feels like this is what she's been saying now since this episode, since we're seeing it. Like she feels like Heather and Emily and Gina have really betrayed her. And

Kelli (29:10.616)
Yes, it is. Yeah.

Kelli (29:34.735)
I mean, what does she expect? Like you're still on a show with Emily and Emily's still entitled to an opinion and it doesn't have to be your opinion because she works for you. And this is, so that's what I was gonna say before. I don't listen to Tamra and Dolores, because honestly, the more I listen to Dolores, the more I think Dolores is, I lose respect. Because she's talking about these other housewives trying to correct their behavior, but she can't even tell her BFF how to behave.

So I've lost it for Dolores. But I have a hard time listening to Teddy and Erica as well, recap OC, because I feel like it's biased. I think Erica tries to call Tamra out on things, but Teddy can't. And it's not her fault, they're good friends, but then just don't recap the show. But Tamra is that, yeah, just don't recap it. But Tamra is that person that if you have that kind of affiliation with her,

Wendy (30:24.425)
Right. Don't recap it.

Kelli (30:32.524)
You have to have her back no matter what. But it's a conflict because yes, Emily kind of works for you, but she's also on a show with you and should be able to voice her opinion.

Wendy (30:47.831)
Right, right. it's so funny because that's what Tamar is known for. That's my opinion, right? So it's okay for her to have her opinion, but Emily and Gina and Heather, they can't have their own opinion because it's not her opinion.

Kelli (30:56.684)
Yep, yep.

Right.

Kelli (31:04.93)
Right. And listen, look at what she did to Shannon last season. She dragged Shannon last year. She was not supportive. She called her an alcoholic, a drunk. You watch somebody do that to someone that they were very close with for 11 years or seven years, whatever the magic number is. I would have a hard time trusting that person as well.

Wendy (31:15.971)
Yeah.

Wendy (31:31.265)
Right.

Wendy (31:34.583)
Me too, me too. I mean, especially after what she brought up about Shannon's father. I mean, listen, it proves everyone's point why they don't trust her. Because when she gets pissed, she weaponizes anything you've ever said to her. She weaponizes it. So then Gina shows up and Emily tells her that, you know, Tamar's pissed at me. And Gina asks like, you know, why are you mad? And Tamar said, well, why can't I get support? Nobody supports me.

Kelli (31:40.588)
Right.

Kelli (31:47.234)
Yes!

Kelli (31:53.452)
Yes. Yes.

Wendy (32:04.345)
Gina said, we support you, but you know, I think it's really cool that you slept with a boy band member. And then she's about to tell them about the text message that she has printed out about Jen following the boy band member as Jen is coming in. And meanwhile, I don't know if you noticed, Emily is licking the frosting off the spatula as this is going on.

Kelli (32:11.79)
You

Kelli (32:27.192)
Yes.

Kelli (32:32.59)
I didn't notice that, I would have been doing the same thing actually. I'll tell you what though. I love Jen's dress. She is gorgeous. Jen is the hottest housewife in OC. Sorry, Tamara. She truly is. She's so pretty and that dress was perfect. Like she just looked great.

Wendy (32:33.208)
course she has to.

Wendy (32:39.385)
Mm.

Wendy (32:44.483)
She really is.

Wendy (32:48.729)
She's not gonna like that.

Wendy (32:59.449)
She did look great. I actually liked all of their dresses to be quite honest with you.

Kelli (33:03.842)
I did too, I thought they all did a really nice job.

Wendy (33:07.897)
So Jen walks in and she said, know, Gretchen feels bad. And she did say as soon as it happened, I'm mad at myself for saying that. Like I didn't want that to come out. And I do think that that's true. do think that she really, listen, she drank too much and she had loose lips and you know, I can relate to that.

Kelli (33:24.13)
Yep. Yep. I totally agree. I'm not a big Gretchen fan, but she definitely knew she made a mistake and said, I made a mistake. I never should have done that.

Wendy (33:30.966)
Right.

Wendy (33:40.759)
Right, right. It's what she said. then, and then Heather shows up and they're outside, they're sitting down and Tamara said, well, Heather said she believes her lies. And Heather's like, that is not what I said. I said what she says she believes is the truth. Tamara said, you also called her a sociopath. Heather said, no, that is not what I said. I'm saying to her, it is her truth. And Tamara's like, well, that's a sociopath. Again,

You are totally twisting Heather's words and I'm glad that Heather was there right then and there to call her out on it. But again, in Tamar's mind, she believes what she's saying is true too.

Kelli (34:13.454)
Right. Yeah.

Yes.

Kelli (34:23.31)
Well, that's what I was just gonna say. Tamra is 100 % the same way. she, like, cause you've said it in the past where I'm like, no, Tamra's just fucked up and she's being mean and she's being horrible. But you've always been like, no, I think she really believes what she's saying.

Wendy (34:41.527)
Yeah, I do. I really do.

Wendy (34:47.489)
And then Emily jumps in and she's like, well, that's the same thing we say about Katie. And she's like, well, I talked to her yesterday and I'm gonna meet with her. And Emily's like, so you're gonna sit down with someone who hurt me and my children, who calls her a racist, and you're gonna sit down with her and listen to what she has to say, because that works for your narrative against Gretchen? And she's

Kelli (35:14.188)
Right, meanwhile, Emily was scared to befriend Gretchen again because she won't make that mistake again because of how Tamra treated her the last time she hung out with Gretchen prior to them filming this season.

Wendy (35:21.72)
Right.

Wendy (35:27.735)
Right, right. And she was 100 % right what she was saying.

Kelli (35:30.862)
100 % right.

Wendy (35:33.505)
And Emily says, well, if you do that, that's gonna piss me off.

you want to be upset that I said I didn't trust you. And Tamara's like, well, there's a big difference. she's like, she didn't answer it. She just said there's a big difference. And then she's like, well, let's just go decorate cakes. Okay, all right, let's go deflect. All right, so they walk in the kitchen and...

Wendy (36:00.149)
Heather says, she said she's mad at you because you said you didn't trust her. And Heather walks in and said, this is gonna be the last time I, Heather walks in and then Tamar says, this is gonna be the last time I ever film after this. Again, I'm like, what?

Kelli (36:13.294)
So she's quitting again.

Kelli (36:17.558)
It's so ridiculous. You know what I think? I think she's waiting for, for like producers to be like, no, please don't go. You can't go. Like she said that, she said that Andy and Alex Baskin called her last time and were like, you can't leave. doubt it. I really, really doubt that. Especially after the, what you sent me and I'm not a huge Sheena fan, but I sat through it. I didn't get all the way through it. I listened to it. I'm,

Wendy (36:43.233)
You listen to it.

Kelli (36:46.762)
almost done with it. I'm at the point where she's talking to Alex Baskin and he co-signs with Shina Shea says where Shina denies saying her dream job is to be on OC and she says that Tamra brought it up to her. Tamra cannot be happy because she loves to name drop Alex Baskin, but he totally took Shina Shea side against Tamra, right?

Wendy (37:09.143)
and he wouldn't take a side. also, I don't know if you get to this part, he also confirmed that they wanted her back on the valley and she turned it down. She turned, Sheena, yeah, she turned down the valley. So everyone who's saying that she's not on it, she turned it down. She turned it down. It was a hard decision for her. She goes on to say that she really, know, something resonated with her when Paige left Summer House and

Kelli (37:17.87)
Yeah, yeah. So she's not going to be on it?

Wendy (37:38.121)
She reached out, yeah, she reached out to Paige Disorbo to see like, you know, what made you make this decision. And, you know, she feels like, you know, maybe this is the time for me to leave. And she made that decision herself. So everyone out there that's been hating on her saying how, listen, I'm not gonna say she's not thirsty, but I have always said, she really is friends with these people. Like these people.

Kelli (37:38.476)
I didn't get to this point.

Wendy (38:04.139)
She knows a lot of people. There is like one degree of separation from Sheena Shay in every Bravo universe. Right? So she was offered the valley. She turned it down and she brought it. Yep. And Alex Baskin co-signed it. And he said, know, there's a spot. Basically he said, there's a spot for you if you want to come. You know, you change your mind.

Kelli (38:09.154)
Yeah. I give her that. I'll give her that. Yeah.

Kelli (38:18.402)
That's- I didn't get to that point.

Wendy (38:31.705)
So I think this whole Lala Sheena thing, I don't know if we got on this tangent, then Lala, so Lala put out one podcast with her version, Sheena gave her version, then Lala came back and said that she lied about what happened with the kids, and then she on Lala unfollowed her and her whole family. So I think this whole thing is very sad, to be quite honest with you, because they really were friends. And...

Kelli (38:58.306)
I know, the worst part is that the girls were like sisters, summer and ocean. That's the saddest part.

Wendy (39:04.023)
Right.

I think the girls, I know, think the girls will still be friends. I think that Sheena.

Kelli (39:12.28)
hopefully like with their moms and you know.

Wendy (39:15.381)
I think Lala and Sheena are gonna get through this. do because Lala's mom and Sheena's mom are both very involved in their lives and in the kids' lives. And I don't think that they will allow this to go on too long. I really don't. Because they're both strong women themselves. But.

Kelli (39:23.5)
Yes. Yes.

Kelli (39:30.091)
I agree.

Listen, if they're smart, they would both walk away from reality TV right now. Because without that noise, they could totally get through it. Without that noise.

Wendy (39:44.471)
Yeah, they could. They could. So we'll have to, I don't know, we got off on that tangent, but anyway, Heather.

Kelli (39:50.125)
Yeah, but Alex Baskin did take Sheena Shay's side over Tamara was my point of bringing it up because she loves to name drop the Alex Baskin. So she can't be happy about that, Tamara. Plus I think Tamara's alive.

Wendy (39:55.916)
Yes.

Wendy (40:02.457)
Yeah, and as a matter of fact, I actually would love to have Alex Baskin at the reunion because Matt says that Slade says that he was on the phone with Alex Baskin when they were in New Orleans, remember?

Kelli (40:14.462)
that's right. That's right. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

Wendy (40:16.203)
So I would love to know from Alex Baskin if that did or did not happen. I'd love to have the answer on that.

Kelli (40:23.926)
Yeah, well maybe Andy will reach out to somebody.

Wendy (40:26.411)
Yeah. So Heather said, you know, what did I do to you? And she's like, well, you said you didn't trust me. And Heather said, well, you're shit talking my career. And she's like,

And I get this, basically Heather's big thing was like, listen, if you want, and she says it right to Gina too, like if you want to shit talk me like as an athlete, that's fine. Like I'm not a great athlete, but you are shit talking what I do for a living. And if you had a question about what I did, then come ask me, like don't be making fun of me behind my back that I'm doing improv classes. And then what I really liked about this whole conversation is that Heather said to Gina, let's go talk about this. And they go sit down.

and they have a normal civilized conversation, the two of them, they talk it out, and they're friends. They get, you know, it's all good. That's how you resolve a conflict. You sit down and you have a conversation about it, and then you move on.

Kelli (41:25.854)
I agree, however, two things. One, Heather will totally make fun of somebody else for their career choices and stuff like that. We've seen it. And two, she totally took the focus off of Tamra and shifted it onto Gina. Like all of a sudden, Tamra's hands were clean, Tamra was out of it, and Heather was gunning for Gina over it. I'm glad they got resolved and got through it, but it's like, what about Tamra? You're not.

Again, you're not holding her accountable.

Wendy (41:57.047)
Well, this is what I think happened. I think she was trying to, but then Gina walked in and she brought Gina into it because she could already see Tamra wasn't even listening. She wasn't gonna get anywhere with Tamra because Tamra had already said this is it. She was already in her mind. Right, right. So I think Heather said, well, let me just pivot. I need to address this with Gina anyway. And since Gina just walked in, me, you know.

Kelli (42:06.668)
more yeah

Kelli (42:12.066)
Yeah, she's not filming anymore, she quits, blah blah blah.

Wendy (42:27.81)
Let's see.

I put it, okay.

Kelli (42:31.682)
Tamar brings up the...

Then they decorate their cakes and blah, blah, blah. But Tamara brings up the tactical thing and she called 98 Degrees guy's wife and brings up the gen following him.

Wendy (42:36.929)
Yeah, they're decorating their cakes.

Wendy (42:46.669)
Yes.

Kelli (42:49.696)
And literally everybody else walked out of the room because nobody fucking cares if Jen followed the guy. They all walked out.

Wendy (42:49.784)
and the

Wendy (42:56.493)
Right. They didn't want to be a part of it. They did. Yep.

They're disgusted. They were literally disgusted. They're like, brings out screenshots. It's disgusting. It's disgusting. And that's when she said, you felt the need to 522 to follow him. I'm like, what? Give me a break. You know the exact time?

Kelli (43:06.988)
Yeah. Like who cares? Yeah.

Kelli (43:22.178)
Yeah, I don't know how you get that information. unless like you said, it was in real time.

Wendy (43:26.935)
Yeah, it hadn't been in real time.

Kelli (43:29.004)
And then Heather goes crawling back into the kitchen and says, I don't know why she followed him. Which I don't either, quite honestly. But then Tamara starts fake crying. Like Heather's just giving her the platform to act like the victim, which is what Tamara does, always.

Wendy (43:50.337)
Yeah, it's true. It's true. And Emily even calls out Heather for going in the kitchen to follow after her. She's like, you she told me in LA that she doesn't trust her, but yet she's gonna go check on her.

Kelli (44:02.73)
Exactly. Exactly.

Kelli (44:08.086)
And Tampa says to Heather, you just don't like me.

Wendy (44:12.577)
Yeah, that's what she said. Right. Heather's like, that's ridiculous. Like she said, you proved it over and over again. What? And then she walks away and says she's done. And then Emily and Heather, they go in the kitchen and they're trying to help Tamar clean up because they're all going to leave. And Tamar's yelling at them that, you know, I've been going through the toughest time of my life and you have no idea. And then she walks upstairs and quits again.

Kelli (44:12.834)
I mean, it's crazy.

Kelli (44:21.601)
Bye!

Kelli (44:41.528)
You know, listen, I'm not gonna say I don't feel bad for her because this was, you know, this was in the beginning when we all found out about Teddy and it wasn't looking good. The prog, thank God, you know, she posted, there's no detectable cancer right now and that's a blessing and we pray for her, we really do. And, but at this point while they were filming, it wasn't, it didn't look good. The prognosis wasn't good. So I understand.

Wendy (44:59.682)
Right.

Kelli (45:10.648)
but you did sign up to be on a show and people have gone through similar things and have not acted like a villain and then played victim, which is what she does and which is what she's doing and which is what she has done in the past when she has not been dealing with her best friend being diagnosed with cancer. This is not new behavior for Tamra.

She's just using this as an excuse to, you know, make up for her behavior.

Wendy (45:47.245)
No, I totally agree with you. I mean, if this was something new that we've never saw Tamra like this before, you'd be like, all right, let's give her some grace. But this is who she is on steroids. This is who she's always been.

Kelli (45:53.538)
For sure.

Kelli (45:58.071)
and openly admit it on Watch What Happens Live that she cannot do something different because then she'll lose her job. And Andy says, no, you won't, but come on, Andy, Bravo rewards bad behavior. We see it. So there might be something to what she said that she shouldn't change because she might lose her job. Even though I think people are over it and over her.

but I don't know, she openly admit to not wanting to change because she wants to keep her job.

Wendy (46:34.817)
Yeah, we're gonna have to see what happens. mean, we did see, guess, on the coming attractions, they're all together at a party. And Slade is there, and I guess Tamara and Slade have words. And Eddie, yeah, we see Eddie walking out giving them the finger with Tamara.

Kelli (46:47.68)
Eddie.

Kelli (46:53.93)
It looks like Tamara's gonna talk to Gretchen and when Slade walks up, Tamara's like, no, and walks away. Like she won't talk if Slade's there.

Wendy (47:04.543)
is that what you see? I don't even know. I like I just thought yeah.

Kelli (47:06.444)
That's, that's the way I saw it, but I could be wrong.

Wendy (47:13.035)
Yeah. So I guess I don't know if that's next week or that's just what's coming. I'm not sure.

Kelli (47:19.694)
Yeah, I don't know. What episode was this? 13?

Wendy (47:21.945)
13. 13.

And I honestly thought, I thought we were gonna see Katie this episode. I thought we were gonna, you know, I'm surprised we didn't see her. So we still have to see Katie next episode too, with the sit down, cause we saw that.

Kelli (47:26.52)
So we're all, what, action?

Kelli (47:37.282)
Right, no this season goes on, because I remember Lori did that calendar, I was looking at our calendar, OC goes for a while. We're in this for a while, this isn't over anytime soon. Because you figure we're gonna get through October, so there's three more episodes in October, that's gonna get us to the 16th episode. Then we have Thanksgiving.

Wendy (47:52.225)
Okay. Okay.

Wendy (48:05.19)
Okay.

Kelli (48:05.822)
Once the holidays start coming, then everything gets broken up. This season goes pretty far.

Wendy (48:10.847)
Okay.

Wendy (48:14.613)
Okay. that's right, because I still think that there's a trip to Amsterdam we haven't seen yet, right? There's a whole trip. We don't even know when they're going there.

Kelli (48:21.389)
Yeah.

Yep, this must be a longer season than normal.

Wendy (48:27.039)
Yeah, it must be. All right. we're just going to have, yeah, because they haven't filmed this reunion yet.

Kelli (48:29.752)
Yeah.

Kelli (48:34.7)
No. No, because we don't know the seating arrangement yet, right?

Wendy (48:35.767)
So yeah, we'll have.

Wendy (48:41.333)
No, no, haven't seen the seating arrangement. We haven't heard anything about it.

All right, so we're working. We're along for the ride. So until next time, thank you for watching and listening. Please give us five star reviews and subscribe. Bye.

Kelli (48:48.225)
Alright.

We sure are. We sure are.

Kelli (49:02.04)
Bye.