RHOC Season 20 Premiere: Vicki Returns & Heather's $75K Party Explodes

Wendy (00:00.851)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever. I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:04.47)
I'm Kelly.

Wendy (00:05.969)
We are here talking about Real Housewives of Orange County season twenty. But before we get into that, we're gonna do our call to action. Please head over to YouTube and hit subscribe if you have not. And follow us on YouTube, Facebook, TikTok, and Instagram. If you could really go to Instagram, we are still really low on Instagram followers, and I have no idea why. I don't know why people on Instagram are not following us. So please head over there. I would appreciate it. Thank you.

Kelli (00:33.966)
Thank you.

Wendy (00:35.609)
So finally, we've been waiting for OC to come back. And the name of this one is Old Friends New Era. yeah, I think it's okay. We we start out 2006. Life is different in Orange County, and they give us like a you know a few little clips of what it was back there back then when it first started. the boobs, the tummy tuck.

Kelli (00:47.192)
Yeah.

Wendy (01:02.193)
The handbags, the G Wagon, it wasn't just a place to live, it was a lifestyle. I like that Vicky was

Kelli (01:10.04)
So you know what's interesting? It's twenty years since the first season and it's the twentieth season. So they have consistently put a season out every year.

Wendy (01:20.241)
Yes. Yeah, they have. It is.

Kelli (01:21.442)
That's pretty good. I mean I'm sure there's more than one, but it's just that's pretty interesting.

Wendy (01:26.981)
No, I don't think they do. I think I th I think they have done a season a year. I mean O. C. is actually one of the ones that's really never been on pause per se, you know? So yeah, I think it's impressive.

Kelli (01:37.279)
No. Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Wendy (01:42.763)
we see Vicki's on in her car on the phone talking to Gina, saying that she can't believe that it's been twenty years and like I said, they pass you know, they flash back to a bunch of scenes from the beginning and the OG of the O. C. is back, which I'm happy Vicki's back. I really am. I like Vicki. I'm glad she's back. She brings good energy. I'm glad she's back.

Kelli (02:04.855)
Me too.

Kelli (02:09.559)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (02:12.625)
I thought it was interesting though. The first scene is in Puerto Vallarta, Mexico, and Vicky's sitting on the beach. and Shannon comes up to meet her, and obviously Shannon's complaining about hot how hot the beach sand is, but I was surprised that she started out in Mexico. Like I was very shocked. I know. I did you have any idea she was trying to do this? Like I had no idea.

Kelli (02:12.904)
I am too.

Kelli (02:30.113)
Yeah. Well she couldn't leave.

Kelli (02:38.067)
No. No, but when she said she might not be back for Heather's party, it's like, well now we know why her season started in Mexico. I mean, plus it's it's not a terrible thing to flex the fact that you own a home in Mexico either. You know?

Wendy (02:53.795)
No, it's not. It's not. I thought that was interesting though. Vicky's talking to Shannon and she's What you you gotta come move down here. Like, you you know, Shannon's like, well, this is like a vacation, but you you seem better down here, Vicky. She's Yeah, I'm so much lighter down here. Like, you know, I still work, but it's different. and I do think that.

Kelli (02:58.338)
Yeah.

Kelli (03:14.711)
Yeah, she says she's still working ten to twelve hours a day.

Wendy (03:18.341)
I know. She is a workaholic though. She really is.

Kelli (03:20.705)
Yeah. Yeah. I mean when it's your business you might not have a choice.

Wendy (03:25.295)
Yeah. Well, I mean, I think she does have a choice because I think her son Michael is a big you know, I think he's what is he like her senior VP? I think he does a lot of work, but she just likes to be involved.

Kelli (03:36.799)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (03:39.655)
she says her and her boyfriend Mike primarily live in Cota de Casa, but they also go between her place in La Quinta and Mexico, Puerto Vallarta. Shannon asks if they can bring the do if she could bring her dogs to come down, and Vicky's like, no, we're not bringing dogs down here.

Kelli (03:59.416)
Mm mm.

Wendy (04:02.663)
What about the people coming to rub her feet on the beach? How nice was that?

Kelli (04:06.253)
Yeah, I didn't know what that was. I'm like, what are they gonna do? Like, I'm like, are they gonna give them a pedicure? Like, what are we doing here? And then they just started rubbing their feet. But I was like, That's nice. I feel like we should have that service here at the Jersey Shore.

Wendy (04:16.239)
Yeah. Yeah, that would be nice, right?

I would like it, right? I would like that. and then they you know, they're they get off the beach and of course as they're getting off the beach, you know, they have to fall just because that's who they are. I I heard

Kelli (04:24.535)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (04:34.285)
But they didn't really fall. You saw that, right? They were perfectly fine and and one of them like threw themselves down and fell into the other one. They were perfectly fine.

Wendy (04:37.979)
Well they didn't.

Wendy (04:49.415)
They they fooled me. I was here for the fool. I was like, Okay, they fell, but they got back up.

Kelli (04:53.527)
it was a failed staged fall.

Wendy (04:58.159)
Okay.

Kelli (05:00.99)
I mean, and listen, I'm I was a defender of Shannon last year where people were saying that about her. I'm like, no, I I really think it's just her. But in this situation, I believe it was a staged fall. Yes.

Wendy (05:06.907)
Yeah.

Wendy (05:12.497)
It was staged. L it listen, it could have been. It could have been, but listen, I thought it was quirky and funny. I do know that beach sand is hot, especially you know, when you're in Mexico or in, you know, Florida, South Florida. That beach sand's hot.

Kelli (05:18.857)
Yeah. Well yeah.

Kelli (05:24.722)
Mm-hmm. Yes, yes, yes.

Wendy (05:28.091)
Even in Jersey it's hot actually.

Kelli (05:30.689)
We were in Brigantine one year for the Fourth of July and you couldn't like going from the water back to your chair. Y y it was horrific. Yep.

Wendy (05:37.639)
Yeah, it's hot. It's hot. So back in the O. C, Heather is with Gina and Tamra and they are dying scarves. I thought it was funny when Tamara said the only thing I could think of is that Heather saw saw the scarf making on TikTok because she's obsessed with TikTok. And I laughed. 'Cause she admitted that's where she saw it. I like, that looks like a fun thing to do.

Kelli (05:58.307)
Yes.

Wendy (06:09.683)
so Heather, Gina and Tamar toast to Heather and they asked Tamara if she's here to burn it down this season and she's like nope, nope. I you know, Gina admits I you know, I feel like I didn't support you last season as much as I could have and I feel bad about that. Which is just her like her ass kissing.

Kelli (06:31.886)
I can't believe I I can't b It's ridiculous. It's fucking ridiculous. And Tamara did say she was gonna burn it down on Jeff Lewis Live. We all heard it. Like what what is Gina doing?

Wendy (06:43.912)
Yeah.

But she said h I mean, the opening scene she said she's not doing that.

Kelli (06:51.341)
Right.

Wendy (06:55.059)
and Heather's you know seems to feel like, you know, she shouldn't have felt out le felt left out. But Tamara's like, Well at after the reunion you guys all took a picture of the group and I wasn't even in the picture. And I guess Heather didn't even realize that. Like

Kelli (07:10.904)
Yeah, I mean, grow the fuck up, Tamara. If you wanna if you see them taking a picture and you wanna be in the picture, walk over to the picture. Like what are you in middle school? You need an invitation to get in the picture? She's already bothering me if you haven't noticed.

Wendy (07:28.017)
No, I have. I have. I hope it's not gonna be a whole season of her bothering you though.

Kelli (07:33.199)
Yeah, me too.

Wendy (07:35.621)
Then Heather brings up that, you know, you go on that radio show and you put me in the bucket with everybody and she's referring to the Jeff Lewis show where Tamar said, you know, n I felt like nobody supported me. So Tamar's like, Okay, do you want me to take you out of the bucket? Okay, I'll take you out of the bucket. And she has like crude and she takes a carrot and takes her out of the bucket. And Gina's like, Well, I don't want to be in that bucket either. So she takes something else and she's like, Okay, you're out of the bucket too. I'm like, Okay.

Kelli (08:05.77)
I I'll tell you what I'm not gonna be able to handle is another season of Tamara and Heather wondering if they're really friend is this a true friendship? Is this a true friendship? Every season they're on together, this is what we go through. No, it's not. I'm here to tell you this is not a true friendship. You're getting paid to hang out three months out of the year. I bet you don't think about nor speak to each other the other nine months of the year.

Wendy (08:23.346)
Yeah.

Kelli (08:34.722)
But right, every season they're on together, this comes up.

Wendy (08:35.431)
Yeah. I yeah. This is what yes, this is what comes up. You know what is a true friendship? I will tell you what's a true friendship. Gina and Emily is a true a true friendship. Shannon and Vicky, that's a true friendship. I who I think that's

Kelli (08:40.782)
Kelli (08:47.608)
Totally agree.

Kelli (08:56.174)
I don't think anybody's truly friends with Tamara. I don't think Tamara knows how to be a friend.

Wendy (09:00.871)
Well, that could be it. That could de that could be it. That could be it.

Kelli (09:02.668)
Yeah. Right. I don't think Heather has a true friendship with any of them because she she considers herself on a higher plane than the rest of them. And it seems to be okay with all of them, honestly. Right? Yeah. But but Emily said that she was very good when she needs parenting advice, which I could see her being very good. But I don't think Heather talks to anybody.

Wendy (09:19.685)
It does, it does seem to be okay with all of them.

Kelli (09:31.564)
the nine months out of the year that they're not filming. I'm I'm just I'm throwing three months and nine months out there, but I don't think Heather speaks to any of them in the off season.

Wendy (09:36.742)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Wendy (09:42.607)
I don't think so either, to be quite honest with you. Not regularly. Not like they're, you know, hanging out together. I don't think I think you're right.

Kelli (09:48.554)
Right. Like maybe when the buzz comes out that the show's coming back and contracts start flowing, then maybe she gets in touch with people and is like, Hey, how you doing? You looks like we're gonna be hanging out again.

Wendy (09:54.205)
Yeah.

Wendy (09:59.387)
Yeah, yeah. So then she brings up that the something happened at the Quiet Woman and we find out that they were filming for the ultimate girls trip at the quiet woman and there was a sit down dinner and Shannon said Tamara was really trying to stir the pot and I was starting to be questioned about my inability to move on. Tamara said, Well she pissed me off and I You're a mess, you can't get a man and you don't own a house and

Shannon's like, and then all of a sudden I lost it and I I said, you know what? No, you're you're the drunk. And I guess Heather was there when this was all going down and she's Yeah, it was very embarrassing. Like like even the other housewives were there because it was the ultimate girls trip. And I listen, we heard that something happened in the filming of the ultimate girls trip in OC that led

Kelli (10:50.008)
Yeah, but think about the girls who were on this ultimate girl strip. Heather says the other wives said it was horrible and they've never seen anything like it. Teresa has flipped a table. Portia has done drag Kenya off the couch at a reunion. Think about the women who are supposedly saying they've never seen anything like this. No flippin' way. No way.

Wendy (11:11.357)
Yeah.

Kelli (11:17.592)
Wait, real quick, what about Gina talking about her engagement ring that Travis worked with a jeweler to design a prototype to make Gina the ring to make sure she liked it. I listen, I don't I'd and I don't I don't have a not that it matters what I think, but I don't have a problem when people have a fake ring. Like, God bless ya. It's exactly. Exactly. So

Wendy (11:17.617)
Yeah, I listen.

Wendy (11:29.395)
Hysterical.

Wendy (11:39.505)
No, it's your ring, you do you. Right.

I don't know that I would have explained it to people, but you know.

Kelli (11:46.784)
I definitely would not have. Unless she thought somebody else was gonna bring it up so she wanted to get ahead of the situation. That's the only thing I was thinking, 'cause yeah, why would you even say it? Not that it ma it doesn't matter though.

Wendy (11:56.635)
Yeah, like what does it matter? Like it's it's y his symbol to you, you like it, you're happy with it, who cares? Right? That's it. And you know, may listen, I don't think it's a bad idea. Maybe you do wear the prototype for a little bit and you decide, you know what, maybe you want it set differently, maybe it's too high, maybe it's catching on things, maybe you you know, you don't you don't love it. So what better way than to have a prototype?

Kelli (12:03.094)
Right. Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (12:19.318)
Or maybe you're just smart to not spend all that money on a piece of jewelry that could bit get lost. Yeah.

Wendy (12:23.441)
On a ring. Right. Yeah, there's that too.

Wendy (12:33.125)
So Heather brings up like I don't know why it had to go there between, you know, Tamara and Shannon and she's like, you know, it affects all of us. Like when you and Tamara when Tamara and Shannon have a problem with each other and it does, it affects the whole group. I mean, when you have a a small group of women like this, when two of them are at each other's throats, it's gonna be a problem, right?

Kelli (12:52.418)
Yes.

Wendy (12:53.839)
So Gina's like, listen, I think we're at the point where you just need to understand that you're not gonna you know, you're not gonna get the apology that you're looking for and you just need to move on. Just coexist with each other. Don't Right. Well, I don't think that Tamar deserves it. Right. No, sh I don't think she deserves one.

Kelli (13:03.148)
Or that you deserve. Tamra doesn't deserve an apology from Shannon. Absolutely not. You call you dragged her through the mud when she came back after her DUI that she acknowledged, took accountability for, you know, did all the things she had to do to earn back her privileges to drive and she

Shannon did everything the right way, especially compared to Karen Huger, let's face it. So and Tamra still tried to hammer it, you're a drunk, you're a drunk, you're a drunk. I mean, I I would never talk to her again. But I guess if you want a paycheck, you're kind of forced to.

Wendy (13:31.473)
Yeah.

Wendy (13:37.105)
Yeah, yeah, and she owned her part in it.

Wendy (13:44.935)
No, I agree.

Wendy (13:51.015)
Yeah. So then we see back in Mexico, Vicki and Shannon are going out to dinner and they're in the car right over there and Vicki looks at Shannon, she's like, Do you have an extra padded bra on? Shannon's like, Why? Yeah, I do. Are they too high? And Vicki's like, Yeah She's like, Alright, well now I'm self conscious of like those two. They really I mean they really

Kelli (14:09.294)
I mean, how many padded bras can you wear at once? Or was there extra padding in the bra? Maybe that's what it was.

Wendy (14:14.054)
I don't know.

I think it was like pushing it up further than they normally are. Listen, the two of them they remind me of Lucy and Ethel, and I like it. I'm here for it. I am. Right?

Kelli (14:26.408)
They're a good they're a good duo. I like Shannon and Vicky together. Yes.

Wendy (14:32.122)
So we find out that Vicky's been struggling with her knee for the last few months because she hired a personal trainer because, you know, she wants to be skinnier and more fit and he put too much weight on her one leg press and her knee popped. So n now she's like struggling Yes, well of course.

Kelli (14:47.278)
It was all the trainer's fault.

Kelli (14:53.208)
I'm like up, she blamed the trainer.

Wendy (14:55.091)
But it was so funny when they walk into Andalay and everybody of course knows Vicky and they're like waiting for her. And Vicki said, People go in there looking for her, like even when she's not in like Puerto Vallarta. Like I I mean, listen, if I went there, I'd go looking for her too. Wouldn't you? Right.

Kelli (15:12.142)
Absolutely. I loved when she said I tried to buy into the business and the owner was like, no, we're good.

Wendy (15:17.629)
Yep.

Mm-hmm. She's like, I put you on the map She did.

Kelli (15:24.558)
Which I'm sure she did. I don't typically like it when people say that, but I'm sure she did. Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (15:29.635)
Sh she absolutely put them on the map. She one hundred percent did. Michael meets her there and she lets us know that he actually fills her emotional love tank. And I love that she has him. I I mean they look like, you know, we just saw him for a half a moment, but they look like a good couple together.

Kelli (15:49.283)
Yeah.

Yeah, they do. Did you see I didn't watch her on Watch What Happens Live, but I saw clips and Andy was doing like, Do you regret it? And it came to her vow renewal with Don and she was like, No, I absolutely do not regret that. That was like our last ditch effort in our marriage. I was like, Man, I wish they could have worked it out. I love Dawn.

Wendy (16:07.355)
Yeah. There was I know. I know.

There was only t I don't remember what the other one, but there was only two things that she didn't regret, and that was one of them. Michael was also there in the Oprah chair. And like he was there when Andy Ebrahcon gave Vicky her orange and, you know, invited her back to season twenty. And he was, you know, shocked. Obviously Vicki was shocked, like they didn't know that that was coming. And Vicki was like, Yeah, he was a little hesitant.

Kelli (16:40.886)
she didn't know.

Wendy (16:42.479)
No, she did not know. They sh no, they were really shocked. No, no, she was really surprised. And Michael is, you know, not a public person. And, you know, Andy's like, Well, how did you feel about that? He's like, Well, you know, it's not really my thing, but I know how happy that this makes her so, you know, I'm here to support her. Which I think is really nice. Yeah.

Kelli (16:44.094)
I didn't know that.

Kelli (17:01.89)
Yeah. Very nice. Very, very nice.

Wendy (17:07.943)
Then we see Emily and Jen meet up for dinner. Okay. What are your thoughts about Emily? Listen, I don't like to talk about people's bodies or body shaming or any of that. But with Emily, it's been a topic that's been almost every season it's been brought up about her body, right?

Kelli (17:31.8)
Yes. I

Wendy (17:33.778)
I mean I

I and I hate to say this, but I just think she she looks too thin. I just think she looks too thin. I know that she's working out in the gym every day. I know that she you know, she said she did the the semi glutide, which is fine. Like, you know what, if you know, she's obviously eating healthy, but I am concerned. I am concerned.

Kelli (17:56.217)
But she's also admit to liposuction. Like she du she's doing everything. She's doing the semi-glutide. She's working out t I think she says twice a day. So you have to probably assume she's probably working out two hours each time, four times a day, four hours a day. Semiglutide, working out four hours a day, plus get like like I said, liposuction and

Wendy (18:00.615)
Yes, yes.

Mm-hmm.

Wendy (18:18.487)
my gosh.

Kelli (18:25.856)
And ordering a bowl of chicken when she's out to dinner. So I don't like to comment on it either. I totally agree with you because I always think to myself, these women, you know, listen, we've met Danielle Cabral and Melissa Gorga in person. Now they look normal size on TV. When you see them in person, they are tiny. They are sh shorter than us, maybe not shorter than you, but shorter than us.

Wendy (18:54.131)
Right.

Kelli (18:54.688)
And they are tiny. I'm telling you, Melissa is probably if you looked at us side by side, she's half the width of me. Like, no joke. And Rachel, I mean Rachel's taller, but yeah, I'm just saying who we've met in person. So when I see Emily on camera and she looks that tiny on camera, it scares me. I agree.

Wendy (19:05.891)
And Rachel Fuda. We've met Rachel Fuda. Actually Tiny. They're tiny.

Wendy (19:19.377)
Yes. I'm more I'm just concerned. I'm just concerned for her. and I'm just I I you know, she said it's her therapy and I get that. I know that that for some people Jim is their therapy. I wish I wish I wish that that was my therapy instead of chocolate, but I'm glad that, you know, who who was it recently that said that when they were going through a breakup

Kelli (19:32.929)
for sure.

Kelli (19:37.208)
Me too.

Wendy (19:47.741)
We just had this conversation with one of the housewives that she was working out too much and she was comparing herself to

I can't remember now. One of the one of the housewives cause she got really thin and she was working out and she was worried about her cause she was going through a breakup and she was comparing it to herself when she went through the ba breakup. Not that she's going through a breakup, but she's just I feel like she's overcompensating for something and I'm worried about her. That's all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying.

Kelli (19:57.91)
I don't know.

Kelli (20:17.912)
Well, here's another thing, and I'm not putting blame on her because as a mother I'm sure she's putting enough blame on herself. But if she's if she's making any kind of comments about her diet or her weight or she's saying her son has an eating disorder. Now, it could have nothing to do with anything. It could just be because of this pandas. I mean, this pandas it does present itself like

Wendy (20:26.923)
definitely.

Wendy (20:38.823)
Yes.

Kelli (20:46.892)
very similarly. So but I'm just saying you when your child has an eating disorder or any type of disordered eating, doesn't have to be a body image thing, any type of disordered eating. You can't talk about food. You can't talk about food. You can't talk about weight. You can't talk about you can't that's it.

Wendy (20:48.69)
Yeah.

Wendy (21:01.638)
Mm.

Wendy (21:11.335)
Yeah. I know. Listen, I'm I don't I'm not judging her. No, I'm not. I'm not judging her. I'm not body shaming her. I'm not mom shaming her. We all agree that it's it's difficult to be a mom. I mean I imagine it's difficult to be on TV and as someone myself that has struggled with weight my entire life and I've gone up and I've gone down and I get it. I I mean I totally get it. But I would hope someone would say to me

Kelli (21:14.712)
But I'm not putting any blame on her because I'm sure she puts enough blame on herself and right.

Wendy (21:41.585)
Someone, you know, I I would hope someone would say to me, like, maybe we need to sit down and talk about it. That's all. That's just, you know, and that's not to say they haven't. You know, maybe somebody has. Maybe somebody has. then Jen is talking about Grayson.

Kelli (21:54.265)
But did you notice d I'm sorry, real quick, did you notice when they see each other, all they say to each other is like, my god, you look so good. my god, you look so skinny, my god, what I think it's a very orange county thing.

Wendy (21:58.803)
That's okay.

Wendy (22:10.575)
I think it's a I think it's a housewives thing to be honest with you. I think every time we see housewives greet each other, they all say they all do the same thing. They all do.

Kelli (22:18.616)
Yeah, but it's very orange county to you know I d I don't know. I don't know.

Wendy (22:24.677)
I know. I know especially when Tamra when Tamara sees Emily, which we'll get to later on in this episode, like Tamara's like so anyway, Jen's talking about Grayson, how he got pulled over the other day for speeding and well Emily's like, Well, how you know, how fast was he going? She's like, A hundred and five. I'm like, And she says, Listen, I lost my mind inappropriately. I was cursing. Emily's like, Well, because you were scared. And

You know, we get that. Like I as a parent, like if you know, my son got a ticket for going a hundred and five, I would freak out on him too.

Kelli (22:56.846)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (23:05.614)
Yeah, well we just had a horrific accident happened in our town because of something similar.

Wendy (23:10.661)
Yeah, yeah. Speeding is a serious thing. Jen said, Have you talked to anybody else? And she said, Yeah, she talked to Shannon. Emily said she hasn't talked to Tamar since Bravo Con. And she said she looked at her and she was pissed. And Emily said the last time I saw you was at the reunion and you shit all over my podcast, which she did. She did. Jen said Heather and I are really moving forward with our relationship and I I

Kelli (23:11.874)
Yeah no.

Wendy (23:40.167)
You know, I really like that she invited us out to dinner. So we find out that, you know, Jen went out to dinner with Heather, which I thought was very nice, right? And it looks like that they are moving forward in their relationship, but then later on in the episode I'm like, what what's Jen, what are you doing? Like what are you doing?

Kelli (23:50.573)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (24:02.54)
Yeah. Yeah. You don't you know we'll we'll probably never see Jen again after this season now because we know how fancy pants can get people off the show. We saw what happened to Katie Janella. She never bounced back from that paparazzi story.

Wendy (24:13.659)
Yeah, I just don't right. And

I mean, I don't know that that was ultimately it, but I mean I don't honestly I I don't like what she did to Katie Giannella and Katie's been out and about talking, and that's the only friendship that she's really heard about because they really were friends and she just d dumped her because of the show, which I think is crappy. I think it's yeah, Jen Padranti. Yeah, I think it's a crappy thing to do. and again the whole the whole Jeff Lewis thing comes up again.

Kelli (24:34.978)
Jennifer. Absolutely. Mm-hmm.

Wendy (24:45.255)
This is something I'm a little bit annoyed about. Like this is the first episode and we've already had Jeff Lewis's name come up twice. Like, does he want to be a part of OC? Does he wanna be on a cast?

Kelli (24:53.462)
And here's the thing. Right. So I understand that he has a friendship with Shannon. But that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about what these women have said on his podcast. I don't I don't want I don't I don't want that. Like tell these housewives to shut the fuck up when they go on podcasts. Because we want to watch the show, we want to see how the season plays out. And then I don't want to see in the off season.

Wendy (25:00.646)
Right.

Wendy (25:07.443)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (25:22.466)
You go talk shit about your friend on a podcast. And then we got to hear about it the whole next season. I don't like that.

Wendy (25:32.177)
Yeah. I don't either. Yeah, I don't either. I mean when Jen is talking to Emily, she said that she believes that Heather and Tamar's friendship is genuine. And Emily's like, Well, I I don't think so.

And Jen also mentions after the reunion, you know, they all went out to dinner and Tamara wasn't there. B again, she wasn't in the picture, she didn't go out to dinner, and she said Heather was definitely leading the charge about all the tech negative talk about Tamara. So

Kelli (26:05.464)
Listen, everybody had a good reason not to invite Tamara to the after party, whatever, to the dinner after the reunion. Tamra had a horrible, horrible season last season. The last two seasons. Cause wasn't it two seasons ago she was dragging Shannon for You're a drunk, you're a drunk. That was two seasons ago.

Wendy (26:11.496)
Yeah.

Wendy (26:17.841)
I agree.

Yes. She was dragging that was two seasons ago and then the other problem was when last season when she found out that Teddy was sick, which I get that, like that makes sense, but you were still right. You were still acting a fool.

Kelli (26:33.08)
Yes.

right. Last year it was Gretchen.

Wendy (26:39.281)
Right, it was Gretchen and Teddy. Right.

But it was she said it was interesting to find out that the very next day after the reunion Heather called to check on Tamra. So she's dragging her at the dinner and the next day she calls to check on her.

Wendy (27:03.515)
So then the next thing we see is Tamar Right. Right. But you just got done telling Emily you were, you know, really making gr you know, making waves with Heather and you're really glad that she's, you know, bringing you in. Well, how do you think she's gonna feel about this, Jen? Like are you really thinking about it? I don't think you are.

Kelli (27:04.246)
And Jen says it's two faced.

Kelli (27:21.078)
Well.

Kelli (27:24.778)
I don't think so.

Wendy (27:27.453)
Then at Tamar's house we see she's there with Sophie and Eddie. And so Sophie so Tamar and Sophia have their own podcast. They just started it. It's called The Orange Fell From the not fell off the tree or something about that. They're gonna be doing it once a month. Sophia's moving to New York, I believe. And yes. And when she's in the house, she's like picking out things that she's gonna take with her.

Kelli (27:49.033)
she is?

Wendy (27:55.175)
That's what they're doing in the kitchen when she's talking there. Like what

Kelli (27:57.459)
no, this is she's getting she's not moving to New York yet. 'Cause she said she's just moving into an appoint apartment. She's gonna finish her degree in the O. C and she's moving into an apartment. I thought you meant she's moving to New York now.

Wendy (28:10.759)
She is moving to New York now. So I thought yeah, yeah, yeah. No, she is moving to New York now. So I guess I guess we'll see how it plays out. But Tamara and Sophia said that sh she did film a lot this season. So we may or may not see her.

Kelli (28:14.334)
good for her.

Kelli (28:25.368)
Well, that's good because I like scenes of Tamra with her daughter. So I'm happy to hear that.

Wendy (28:31.803)
Yes, I am too. And her daughter has, I guess, aspirations to possibly be on one of the next gens, whether it's New York or LA. And again, I think yeah. yeah. I mean a lot of them have. I mean sh I mean Nick said it. I mean we're gonna see that later with Heather. Heather's son Nick said it.

Kelli (28:41.517)
she's actually come out and said that?

Kelli (28:54.722)
Yeah. I have a I have a suspicion that

show's not gonna make it next gen.

And I'll t but I'll tell you why. I

Wendy (29:06.983)
I think you're wrong.

Kelli (29:10.99)
Wendy (29:11.677)
That's okay. I I think you're wrong. I know I know you think it's not gonna make it because

Kelli (29:16.218)
Because I think the Bravo demographic is our age and they're just so young to watch.

Wendy (29:25.341)
But that's the thing. The Bravo demographic isn't just our age. Because if you saw like Peacock, right? Love Island, Love Island is Peacock.

Kelli (29:37.046)
Yes, yes.

Wendy (29:38.481)
And that is not our age. And the the next generation is a demographic that is popular. Not not for housewives, but for doing what it is they do. I mean, in the the latest episode, I think it was of next gen, Gia was talking about paying to get to go into a party, and she specifically said the only place I would pay s is to go to a party was the seventy-five dollars fast pass at Parker House. So

I know, but what I'm saying is there's there's a market out there for this. I think there is a market. And I think the next generation is smart. I think they watch their parents screw this up, to be honest with you. And I think I think the next generation is smart. I think they're educated. I think they've gone to college. I think that they they've they've known social media their whole lives. They grew up with a phone in their hand. I'm telling you, I think it's gonna work. I think it's gonna be successful.

Kelli (30:20.824)
Well, that's true.

Kelli (30:31.906)
Right. Right.

Kelli (30:36.33)
All right, we'll see.

Wendy (30:38.779)
next thing we see is Emily's interacting with her daughter Annabelle. Emily says that she is a feral child, like she was raised by wolves and dropped off on her porch. I am sure Annabelle is going to resent that one day when she hears that.

Kelli (30:54.08)
Annabelle seems a little bitchy, I'm not gonna lie, dude.

Wendy (30:57.459)
You know, she's a teenage girl. I mean

Kelli (30:59.572)
I know. And I I'm I'm just saying she does seem like that. I didn't have that girl teenager. I know girl teenagers that were like that, but she seems like one of those girl teenagers. Maybe bitchy is not a bitch, but a bitch bitchy.

Wendy (31:14.291)
Yeah, I mean she's a cheerlead she's a cheerleader. She she's a cheerleader. Does that say it all for you?

Kelli (31:23.594)
I mean maybe. Maybe. Right, right.

Wendy (31:24.967)
I mean, listen, I I don't have any girls, so I you know, I'm just going by, you know, what I think. So back at Jen Pedranti's house, they find out how much Grayson's speeding ticket is for going one hundred and five miles an hour. Were you shocked by the amount?

Kelli (31:42.668)
I was shocked by the amount.

Wendy (31:44.475)
You were. I don't know if I was or not. So it's seven hundred dollars.

Kelli (31:50.679)
I mean I have to be honest with you. Is it seven hundred dollars just for the ticket or is it seven hundred dollars with like I don't yeah, I was sh I mean, a speeding ticket's a speeding ticket. Does it go by how much over the limit you're going? it does. yeah, so then I'm really not surprised.

Wendy (32:01.917)
I think it's just for the ticket. I think it's for the ticket.

Wendy (32:08.171)
it goes by yes. Yes. yeah, no it does. Yeah. Yeah, no, it does go by how over how much over the limit you're going. Shannon's out with Troy and Archie. Troy is the new puppy she got because the psychic said that Archie needed a friend. So now she's got it's a disaster. it's just a disaster.

Kelli (32:16.589)
Okay.

Wendy (32:32.549)
And she's talking to Stella, who is a junior in Paris, and she's probably gonna stay there after she graduates. And I think that, by the way, I think Shannon's daughters are living their best lives. I do.

Kelli (32:38.764)
Yeah.

Kelli (32:42.54)
Yes, absolutely. Now her oldest daughter is not on NextGen, right? But lives in New York.

Wendy (32:49.573)
No. Correct. She does live in New York. No, she's not none of her kids are on next gen no.

Kelli (32:57.272)
See, and Tamra's daughter to me and Shannon's daughter, they just seem too normal to be on that show personally. I think that that Tamra's daughter, Sophia, is such a lovely, nice, normal young lady, and same with Shannon's oldest, I don't I can't see them fitting in with those people on next gen. I think they're all just trying to be, you know, fa I don't know. But what do I know?

Wendy (33:26.159)
I don't know. Next thing we see is is Shannon. She's talking about how she loves living in Corona Del Mar. She loves that it's like a little community. You know, she can walk everywhere. she's like, You can't put a price on that and then we see that her rent is ten thousand five hundred dollars a month. That is a big price. That is a big price. Right.

Kelli (33:39.758)
Exactly. That's a big that's a big nut, man.

Wendy (33:48.423)
back in Puerto Vallarta, we find out that Vicky's working on getting her residency there, and she can't leave until she gets her residency card, and she's not sure when that's gonna happen. But her brother Billy is there visiting. Well, her brother Billy was on Watch What Happens Live. He was the bartender, and it was funny because Andy's like, Billy, like, you know, we're great, you know, happy to see you. Are you single? He's Yeah, I'm single, and Vicky's like.

He's in a committed relationship until they start fighting and then he's not. And I was like

Kelli (34:19.95)
my God. Well, I was thinking about it when she 'cause remember that woman who said like to Shannon like did you you know, whatever she said, she was she was clearly drunk like when she brought up David's affair. Remember they were at that white party and she was like did ye b and Vicky like lost her shit or Shannon lost her shit. But I was thinking like I guess that didn't work out. But I'm not

Wendy (34:22.073)
Yes.

Kelli (34:47.592)
Sorry to say it because she was a mess that woman.

Wendy (34:51.567)
Yeah. Yeah. I was surprised that Vicky threw her brother under the bus like that. And watch what happens live.

Kelli (34:55.701)
Yeah.

Well it's funny what she said has she doesn't want Michael to wind up like him. I thought Michael was engaged.

Wendy (35:04.591)
No, I don't think he I mean, and isn't he he's living in Spain, right? Didn't she say he's living in Spain?

Kelli (35:05.631)
I guess not.

Kelli (35:11.32)
Well how the hell is he running her business from Spain?

Wendy (35:14.099)
Yes, you can do i ev this is a virtual world we live in, Cal. You don't

Kelli (35:17.228)
I know, but isn't there like a time difference? Well, I guess my sister has clients all over the world, so yeah. Huh.

Wendy (35:21.991)
Yeah. I mean

Yeah. So we see Gina's at her house with Travis and her mom is there. Her mom's leaving shortly. I she was there visiting. the real estate is going very well. Obviously, we see the the ring. And we find out that Travis has full custody of his children, although they're still actively in court. I feel so bad for her about this. That's a lot. I mean, this has been going on for years now. For years.

Kelli (35:46.786)
Yeah, how about that though?

Kelli (35:54.36)
How about him having full custody though?

Wendy (35:57.511)
Well that's tell that says something right there.

Kelli (35:59.895)
I totally agree.

Wendy (36:02.13)
Yeah.

And then she's talking to her mom about like when she gets married, like what is she gonna do about her last name? Because she kept her last name when she got, you know, divorced because she wanted to have the same name as her kids. But, you know, Travis doesn't want her to be married to him and have some other man's last name. And her mom's like, Well, maybe you hyphenate it and she's like, N like it's just too many letters. And I agree, it's too many letters. It's too many letters.

Kelli (36:29.27)
That's lot. I totally agree. I totally agree. I do see both sides though. Like, I don't think I would want a different last name than my kids. but I also see Travis's point. Like, you're not gonna marry me, especially when they're in business they're partners in a business together. Like, I I think she should probably take his name, but but yeah, then the kids. But you know what? They're she's in such a good place with her ex and they have his last name. So it's like, you know.

Wendy (36:35.206)
I do.

Wendy (36:45.061)
Yeah, yeah.

Kelli (36:56.662)
It's not like they don't have any parents last name, you know?

Wendy (36:57.532)
I know.

No, no, I agree. I agree. she'll figure it out too. She'll figure it out.

Kelli (37:02.072)
And they're in a good place. She'll figure it out. But I do see both sides. I do see both sides.

Wendy (37:08.327)
So then we see this this is what I'm this is really honestly what I'm here for this whole season. Heather goes over to her mom's house and her mom has moved closer to be closer to Heather so that like she can help her out because she was all the way in New York and I guess Heather's sister must be in California too, right?

So Heather's trying to really make her mom accountable for not have not being there for her and her children when they were younger. But her mother is not having it. She's not having it at all.

Kelli (37:42.892)
She is not taking the bait.

Wendy (37:45.147)
Nope. Yep. She's like, you know

Kelli (37:48.226)
I mean, did you really did you really bait your mother to be on camera to have this conversation with her?

Wendy (37:54.129)
I mean

Kelli (37:57.196)
I mean Carol does not play.

Wendy (37:59.773)
She does not play. She does not play. And I honestly, like, what did you think about how she looks? I again we haven't seen her in a while. I was surprised. I really think that she's in her eighties, right?

Kelli (38:01.966)
Mm-mm.

Kelli (38:13.07)
She looks great.

Wendy (38:14.467)
I think she looks amazing. I mean, I definitely see I see Heather in her for sure. I see Heather's mannerisms in her. But the fact that Heather is trying to make her accountable for living her own life and not being involved in her life with her four children in California. I I think it's I'm here for it 'cause I feel like this is gonna be I feel like this is gonna be what's going on this season.

Kelli (38:16.334)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Kelli (38:41.304)
Well, it was it was like a it was like a chess match. Like the like w one would say something, the other would have a response. Then that one would say something and this one had a response.

Wendy (38:47.365)
Yes, yes.

Wendy (38:53.595)
Yes, yes, you're right. Yeah, because her mother's like, Heather's like, did she ever regret not being here when the kids were younger? And her mother said, Well, excuse me, we flew in for everything. Your father was working. And Heather said, Dad retw retired when the twins were born, which those are her oldest. Those are her oldest. And she's like, Well, you had your own life. And Heather's like, That's why you'd want to come where we were. Heather's like, I had four kids.

Kelli (39:09.228)
her oldest. Yes they are.

Wendy (39:20.431)
I wanted four kids. Like you wanted me to drag the kids to New York, all four of them? And I mean, I honestly I believe I think Heather's a hundred percent right. But to if she really thinks that at this stage in her life she's gonna get her mother to see that, like it rem it gives me Bronwin and Muzzy. Right? Like I right, I wanna see I wanna see like after this season, I wanna see what happens when her mom sees this back.

Kelli (39:35.394)
No way.

Kelli (39:40.783)
God, yes, yes, yes, yes.

Kelli (39:48.994)
Yes. I don't

Wendy (39:49.649)
I wanna see what happens in season twenty-one. I do, I really do.

Kelli (39:53.081)
Yeah, I don't think she's gonna be very effective. I don't think Carol is gonna give an F. Yeah.

Wendy (39:58.311)
Well we'll I know, we're gonna have to wait and see. We're gonna have to wait and see.

So Heather's having this big Valentine's Day party and we find out all the things that she's having at this party. It's a seventy five thousand dollar party, which I mean, there's not a person on this planet that doesn't think that's ridiculous. Seventy five thousand dollars. I mean that's insane.

Kelli (40:17.006)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (40:21.89)
It's insane. But you know what just hit me and I'm so happy? We did not hear about any piece of real estate that Heather owns in this episode. So I feel like this season's off to a good start, just with that alone.

Wendy (40:33.363)
Well, it's only one episode and I I believe according to Tamara right, I according to Tamra, she doesn't have residency in Orange County, so I don't think we're gonna hear too many much no, she doesn't live in Orange County. She doesn't. Because she has the two places she has the two places in LA. You know, she had the penthouse and I think she bought another one. Sh at first she was renting the other one, but I think she bought the other floor, the other apartment too.

Kelli (40:35.434)
I know. And we did hear how much the party cost.

Kelli (40:48.62)
This is very interesting.

Kelli (41:01.134)
Yeah, so where does she stay in Orange County? Or she doesn't. She just comes in to film. Because they had that where t Terry's mother was. Right, right. But didn't they have like a unit in there or something?

Wendy (41:06.353)
I don't know. Maybe we'll find out.

That was her mother in law's. Right, right.

Wendy (41:17.073)
I don't know, we'll see. We'll have to wait and see. We're gonna have to wait and see. Yeah, it's only the first episode. So at this party, they're gonna have they have a perfume bar. They're having real tattoo a real tattoo art artist. They're having a merch bar where there's all different kinds of merchandise, and there's another place where you can go fishing for diamonds. Not to mention the big giant red bouncy house.

Kelli (41:17.954)
Who knows? I'm sure we'll find out. I'm sure we'll find out. Right.

Kelli (41:31.34)
Nice.

Kelli (41:42.498)
Yeah. Do you think she gets her party sponsored? Probably not. She probably pays for all that.

Wendy (41:43.89)
Okay.

Wendy (41:48.017)
Well, I I mean we didn't I don't think we saw a single name, a single brand, did we?

Kelli (41:53.794)
There was one, but there was literally only one and I forget what it was.

Wendy (41:59.451)
I don't think she does, to be honest with you. I really don't. Because I think we would be there would be more branding. Yep, there would be more branding if if she did. so Jen shows up with her new friend Carmella. She is also a real estate agent. And Jen and Carmella used to ha well, they have the same hairdresser. So that's how Jen knows her. And we find out that Carmela

Kelli (42:01.345)
I don't think she does either. I bet you she pays for all this.

Yeah.

Kelli (42:24.088)
I wonder if Carmella tried on Tamra's extensions.

Wendy (42:27.687)
Well, I don't think that they had the same hairdresser. But Carmella I know I do. Jen, yeah, yeah, because they ha must have had the same hairdresser. So you think it's maybe the same hairdresser from when Tamara had and Jen had the same? It could be. It could be. Who knows? I mean anything's possible. but we find out Carmella was a playmate. Like she was not in the actual mansion, but she lived across the street from the mansion.

Kelli (42:31.938)
No, but remember Tambra accused Jen. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kelli (42:42.978)
Yeah. Yeah. I know. Mm-hmm.

Kelli (42:56.608)
Mm-hmm. In the bunny house. Mm-hmm. And she did not sleep with hef.

Wendy (42:57.105)
Which I think is interesting. Yep.

Wendy (43:02.459)
Nope. Nope. Which listen, good for you, 'cause I I don't know that I would have wanted any part of that. Mm mm. No thank you.

Kelli (43:09.358)
Good for you is right. Good for you is right.

Wendy (43:12.915)
So Tamar walks in and she sees Hemil Emily, and the first thing she's look she says is, my God, look how skinny you are. And Emily's like, Wait, you don't recognize me? She's like, No, I I don't recognize you. Which Okay. I I wrote down that the ladies looked beautiful in their red and pink. I did. I thought all the ladies did look beautiful. And then

Kelli (43:36.738)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (43:38.617)
Heather introduces her son, Nictubro, 'cause he's there 'cause he's going to be the master of ceremonies for their party. Okay. What were your thoughts on that?

Kelli (43:49.007)
I think it's ridiculous. There's a bunch of fucking women in the room and here comes Nick as the master of s do we really need a master of ceremonies? I mean

Wendy (44:00.081)
I don't even he I don't I know. I know. He actually he gives me young Terry vibes because he even came in and made some joke about his looks. Didn't he say something about his looks like Terry would have? He's his father's son. He's his father's son.

Kelli (44:10.924)
Yes, he is a little mini Terry. Yes. Which I'm actually here for 'cause I actually like Terry DeBro. I like him better than his wife, that's for sure.

Wendy (44:18.535)
I do too. And actually I think I like Nick. I think he's adorable. I think he's adorable. And honestly, I he's on next gen LA and I can't wait for it to come out. I I'm here for it.

Kelli (44:23.469)
Yeah.

Kelli (44:30.19)
Yeah, I'm not watching that either.

Wendy (44:31.887)
I know you're not. I know you're not. how about when Shannon arrives at the party and she has to get out of the car to put her dress on because she didn't want it to get wrinkled. I I know, I know.

Kelli (44:43.214)
She gets dressed outside of the car.

Kelli (44:48.366)
I mean she doesn't even go in the bathroom. She's in the street.

Wendy (44:51.439)
No, she's st putting her dress on. Cause she didn't want it to get wrinkled. Remember that one time she was in the car, like trying to sit like this because she didn't want it to get wrinkled? I was like, my god, this and honestly, this is real Shannon. This isn't fake. This is real. This is real.

Kelli (45:00.409)
my God, she was laying down crazy.

Kelli (45:09.09)
No, that I think is yeah, for sure. For sure.

Wendy (45:13.891)
So there's an ice ice luge there. what did Carmella what did she call it? She called it she called it something else.

Kelli (45:28.844)
Ouj. I think she forgot the L. Yuge?

Wendy (45:34.097)
I don't know what she said. She's like sh I don't know. She was very confused by the whole thing.

Kelli (45:38.914)
Yeah. Heather corrected her.

Wendy (45:41.339)
Yeah. then they're like, Where's Vicky? What why isn't Vicky here? And we're like we're thinking, I don't think Vicki was coming, and all of a sudden Vicki arrives at the party. but we find out that between leaving Porta Vallarta and arriving at this party, she had a cyst removed underneath her armpit and now she's bleeding.

Kelli (46:00.377)
Yeah, like I feel like she could have sat this one out. Yeah, it's so gross. Like, stay home. Stay home.

Wendy (46:04.759)
it's like my god, do like what are you doing, Vicky? Like what are you doing?

Kelli (46:10.928)
Ew Stay home

Wendy (46:16.395)
Carmella introduces herself to Vicky. We're gonna s I I'm just here to see where this goes. I know it's not. I know. The ladies are doing jello shots. You know, I cannot remember the last time I did a jello shot, can you?

Kelli (46:22.605)
it's not gonna be good. We know that.

Kelli (46:33.698)
Yep. I was at Francine's house with Liz and it was a couple years ago. Yep. And you know how I can't you know how I can't mix alcohols. Like I can't even go from red wine to white wine. I have to commit in the beginning of the evening. Well, Liz is the same way. And we were drinking wine and then we did jello shots and we were shot. Francine's like, why am I?

Wendy (46:35.086)
you do?

Wendy (46:38.724)
Okay.

Wendy (46:45.715)
Mm.

Wendy (47:01.565)
Hm. Okay.

Kelli (47:03.456)
as drunk as you guys. I'm like I I cannot mix and I know better. It was a rough night.

Wendy (47:10.173)
Did did Francine do jello shots too?

Kelli (47:13.708)
Yes, she is clearly the rock star out of the three of us because she was totally fine. But yeah, it was in the pat within the past couple of years.

Wendy (47:16.537)
Okay, yeah, okay.

All right.

Wendy (47:26.597)
Let's see. So then it comes

Kelli (47:28.622)
How about when Heather got all jacked up because Vicky said that they inherited their money? They did. They they listen, I'm not taking anything away from Terry's plastic surgery business. I'm sure he's very successful. Not only that, he's been on Botched, he's been on this show. Like, obviously, the guys made some good money. They've made incredible real estate investments. But there's no way you're telling me that his brother, the lead singer of Quiet Riot, which was a huge band in the 80s.

Wendy (47:34.086)
Mm.

My God, that was so funny.

Kelli (47:57.4)
didn't leave you some money.

Wendy (47:59.441)
It was so funny too, 'cause I mean, Heather is standing ten toes down with her. Both of our mothers are still alive. How did we inherit anything? And Vicky's like Terry's brother Vicky's like

Kelli (48:09.016)
Yeah, like I'm sure his brother didn't leave everything to the mother. I'm sure he set her up extremely nicely and threw Terry some or you know, Terry's kids. I mean, it's a ridiculous thing to think that he didn't do anything for them.

Wendy (48:23.803)
I know. I love that she said my husband worked at Kentucky Fried Chicken.

Kelli (48:26.222)
She got jacked up.

You know, remember when Terry was on the two Eds and he talked about how he grew up and and his brother becoming the lead singer of Quiet Rye and all that? It he does have a very interesting background, Terry. He's a good interview.

Wendy (48:33.747)
And all

Wendy (48:46.801)
He does. He d honestly. Honestly, I find like a lot of the husbands have a very interesting background. And I would like to maybe see a a show of just the husbands. I'm quite honest with you. I would. but I mean Vicky wasn't letting it go, especially in her her confessional. You know. No.

Kelli (48:59.286)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (49:07.342)
Nor should she.

Wendy (49:14.001)
Let's see. Next is t Jen goes over to Tamara and tells Tamara while Gina is standing there. Heather said she put you in a box and she can car compartmentalize her friendship with you. And t Gina's the look on Gina's face, and Tamara's like, I appreciate you telling me this. And she gives her a hug. She's like, I totally appreciate this. And

Heather walks up and Tamara said she's gonna wanna talk about this later. I'm gonna think about it. And she leaves. She gets her stuff and she leaves. And you know what? I'll be honest with you. I actually thought to myself, that is growth for Tamara. That's growth. That she did not react to that, that she did not flip out at Heather about that.

Kelli (50:05.1)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (50:07.89)
What do you think?

Kelli (50:09.546)
no, I I agree with that. I I definitely agree with that. I I kind of I know I know that they're saying Heather's two-faced, but I feel like when Heather says she car compartmentalizes her friendship with Tamara, I feel like she says that because Tamara has beef with most people most of the time. And if Heather doesn't have beef with Tamra

She can still be friends with Shannon, good friends with Shannon, knowing that Shannon can't stand the face, looking at Tamara's face. But she could still be friends with Tamara and she could still be friends with Shannon. That's how I took Heather saying she compartmentalizes. I feel like Jen kind of repeated it. Maybe not repeated it, but Jen kind of 100%. 100%.

Wendy (50:53.031)
Yes.

Wendy (51:00.659)
Jen stirred the pot. Jen totally stirred the pot. She stirred the pot. And she was not she was not there to be Heather's friend. And why she thought that that was gonna win her points with Tamara when she was friends with Tamara and she knows who Tamara is, it just kinda blows my mind. Like why why are you gonna pick this side? I mean, you were picking the wrong side here, Jen.

Kelli (51:15.734)
Yeah. Yes.

Kelli (51:22.562)
Yeah, and then she said something else. okay. So so well first of all, Tamara tells Vicky that Gina and Heather are upset that they're friends.

I don't think that's true. So there's there's lie number one for Tamara for season twenty. But when Heather asked Jen what happened, Gina says, She told her that you said you put her in a box. And Heather says, You told her that. And Jen says, I told her we all do. No, you no, you didn't. You said you Heather said she puts you in a box.

Wendy (51:37.072)
No.

Wendy (51:51.228)
Right.

Wendy (51:55.803)
No you didn't. No you did not. No you did not.

You put you in a box and she car c compartmentalizes your friendship. And you know what? I I mean, you there like you said, it could be the way that you said it, like she does that, but it could also be that Heather knows who Tamar is because of their history, which is a word that everyone has a hard time with, right? They've been working together for a long time, so they have a long history together. Heather knows who Tamar is and she accepts her for who she is.

And that could be the box that she puts her in. Not that she agrees with it, but she accepts it, right? Like I like we probably all have certain friends that we don't agree with things that they do, but we know that this is who they are and this is we're gonna get with that friend. And we choose to be friends with them, knowing everything that comes with it. I I would consider that putting that friendship in a box. So

Kelli (52:38.38)
Right. Right.

Kelli (52:55.852)
Right. Because you know it's gonna rub other people the wrong way, but it it's not gonna affect your friendship with that person.

Wendy (53:00.176)
Right.

Right. And I don't think there's anything wrong with that. And I think that needs to just be a mature conversation. And the fact that Tamara left and didn't have it in the middle of this party, yelling and screaming like a lunatic, is what I'm saying is I think is growth for her. So hopefully it I hopefully it's gonna be a conversation just between the two of them and they can work it out. That's what I'm hoping. But I'm glad season twenty's back and I'm looking forward to the rest of it.

Kelli (53:05.368)
Mm-hmm. No, I don't either.

Kelli (53:18.978)
Yeah. You're right. Matt, you're right. Yeah.

Kelli (53:31.042)
Me too. Me too. Absolutely. Absolutely. It was a good first episode, not a lot going on, but that's okay.

Wendy (53:40.401)
It is okay. And like I said, I'm here for Heather and her mom. I I'm I'm here for this whole season of it. I just can't wait to see what it I I can't wait to see what happens.

Kelli (53:48.354)
I kind of am too.

Yeah, I kind of am too.

Wendy (53:55.687)
Because you know what? We've only seen this is this is why. The only thing we've seen from Heather Fancy Pants, who I like, is her wealth and her picture perfect life, right? And the house she's building and her champagne room and her champagne b button and her plastic surgeon husband and her perfect children and this you know, like we've only seen that. I am here to see where Fancy Pants came from.

Kelli (54:04.792)
Mm-hmm. Right.

Wendy (54:25.027)
And how she wound up this way and like I wanna see the other side of the curtain. That's what I'm here for.

Kelli (54:31.214)
Right. Me too. Absolutely. Me too. Cause it's about damn time. We're seeing something other than yeah.

Wendy (54:39.313)
Yeah. Alright, so until next time, thank you for watching and listening. Please subscribe and give us five-star reviews. Bye.

Kelli (54:47.32)
Bye.