RHOC S29 E14: Feckless Friends & Fortune-Telling Fiascos

Kelli (00:00.922)
Hi, welcome to Be Wine Whenever I'm Callie.

Wendy (00:03.897)
I'm Wendy.

Lori (00:05.121)
And I'm Lori.

Kelli (00:07.026)
Tonight we're talking about Real Housewives of Orange County, season 20, episode 14, Friends and Fortunes. but before we get into it, please go to our YouTube and subscribe and all of our socials and follow and like and comment. Thank you. so this episode picks back up at Tamra's party and

you know, Heather says, Alexis, you're just trying to create something that isn't here and Alexis says, Don't attack me. And then she says something to Heather I thought was so funny, like, Do you really think a peon like me would give you Heather DeBro a look? I mean, does she s real she doesn't realize how ridiculous she sounds?

Lori (00:49.612)
Yeah.

Lori (00:55.106)
No, she doesn't.

Wendy (00:55.824)
I don't think no, sh I don't think she does.

Kelli (00:58.224)
She really doesn't.

Lori (00:58.464)
And and how about when she s I laugh so hard. How about when she said I took her to task? I was like, girl, no you didn't. No you didn't.

Wendy (01:06.99)
My gosh, that was so funny. That was and and Joe, Joe Delarosa's cause they they kept saying it. She's I took her to taste. She's like, and she Joe is repeating it. She's I don't know what that means. I was like, wait, what? Did you hear her say that? Joe? Yeah.

Kelli (01:10.17)
No you didn't.

Kelli (01:24.58)
Yeah. Heather goes back and tells the other ladies what happened when she went out there and and you know that she just walked away and yeah, take her to task and Tamra says, I don't know what Alexis is doing. Yes you do. Because you were part of this whole setup.

Lori (01:26.188)
That was crazy.

Lori (01:35.936)
And I love how Janet

Lori (01:41.334)
Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. You set it all up. I love how when Heather went back there and Shannon was like Shocker, shocker.

Wendy (01:41.583)
Right.

Wendy (01:49.232)
She reports back.

Kelli (01:50.885)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Vicky gave Alexis and Johnny J a very warm welcome.

Wendy (01:59.877)
Well, she said she hadn't seen them since the wedding, so I guess she was at their wedding.

Lori (02:04.11)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (02:05.008)
Yeah, that was interesting.

Wendy (02:08.58)
Maybe they buy insurance from her.

Lori (02:11.416)
Yeah, like she and how like she ran over there to Vicky, like ran, like that weird, excited running th it was just weird. It was weird. Yeah, it was middle school, it was horrible. Yeah.

Kelli (02:11.578)
Yeah, that's true.

Kelli (02:19.898)
It was like middle school. Like she's like a middle schooler. Like her s her growth is stunted. Her mature her level of maturity is stunted. Alexis pulls Heather aside and then John walks over and I think he made a comment about the Cheetos or something?

Lori (02:38.21)
He said he said gr he said the word he walked by and he said the word gross. And they were like, What? And he was like the Cheetos and then Tamra starting shit. So when when he walks by and says gross, Tamara says, I thought you were talking about Shannon. Girl, stop it. Like she is she is so horrible sometimes, Tamara.

Wendy (02:42.746)
Gross.

Wendy (02:58.766)
That's what she said. And Shannon said, you know what? Whatever. He probably did. But they were so Emily and Shannon and Tamar were all standing over that bowl eating Cheetos. And Tamara's like, I cannot believe we're out here eating Cheetos. I'm like, Well, this is your party. Like, why do you have Cheetos out there? Seriously. Is it a brand deal? I mean, is it a brand deal?

Kelli (03:00.22)
Listen.

Kelli (03:14.171)
Right, right.

Lori (03:14.893)
Right.

Kelli (03:18.29)
Sure, she's trying. So Alexis and Heather are talking, and first of all, Alexis won't shut the F up so Heather can even get a word in. and who cares what Heather said about the crash two years ago? Like

Lori (03:32.847)
But even before that, Alexa, i she was it was just so weird. She was like holding her friend's hand and her friend brought her friend brought her over. Yeah, her friend Joe brought her over to like go talk to Heather. It was like fifth grade. And and they and the and the friend kept saying, you know, they were saying, well, you know, does she want to talk to Heather? And I was she was like

Wendy (03:42.948)
Joe. Joe.

Wendy (03:50.48)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (03:52.22)
Yes, that's what I'm saying.

Wendy (03:52.944)
It was.

Lori (04:01.314)
I think she does. I think she does. I think she I was just like, what is going what am I watching?

Kelli (04:07.59)
You're just what Shannon said, she needs a storyline. That's what we're watching. And do you know I don't listen, I would never listen to Carlos King and him with Alexis, but I was listening to Anna and Ace today, but it just started. I think Ace said that Alexis was talking about this on the podcast and basically making it like they had to bring her back because they needed something for the season.

Lori (04:36.801)
I don't think so.

Kelli (04:36.85)
The delusion?

Wendy (04:39.984)
I heard that Alexis had to play pay John to even show up at the party. I know, right.

Kelli (04:44.88)
She probably did. She probably had to pay Bravo to put her back on. Now, I think there's a producer on OC that still likes this woman. Because they keep recycling her for some reason. I don't know. But Carmela says maybe John was regretting things about Shannon. because where was he sticking up for Alexis? And he wasn't. He was nowhere to be found. He was he was creeping behind Shannon.

Lori (04:56.182)
Yeah.

Lori (05:05.172)
Nowhere. It was nowhere.

And I love how when they were done talking, like Heather w I thought she was really funny, like standing there talking to herself. And she was like, are we done here? Well, I think we accomplished a lot. I think that went well. I thought she was really funny.

Kelli (05:19.887)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (05:24.092)
And then Alexis goes and tells the girls that Heather's delusional and they're like, but t Teddy Teddy's like, I don't think you should leave and come back. And that's when Shannon was like, Well, she needs a storyline.

Wendy (05:24.442)
Well how about what

Lori (05:39.67)
And even then it was still fifth grade because when she came back over to that group, she came right over to her friend Joe and put her arm around her like fifth grade. I was like, What are we doing?

Wendy (05:40.048)
Yeah, but how

Kelli (05:52.433)
And the funny thing is that Joe was on the show for the first two seasons and that was it. So Joe was original housewife of OC. She was engaged to Slade, who now Gretchen is with, because he's the housewife hunter. And like so how well do Alexis and Joe really know each other? You know what I mean?

Wendy (06:06.736)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (06:17.806)
Yeah, I listen, the fact that when Heather is talking to Alexis and Alexis is bringing up about the camera that John heard it after the crash with Shannon and Heather says, I am not negating that I told Shannon. And she looks right at the camera. I'm glad you got that. Got what? They and then then they show it, they show it on camera where Heather told Shannon.

Kelli (06:38.033)
Right.

Lori (06:38.84)
She thinks she's got some smoking gun.

Kelli (06:40.793)
Exactly. It doesn't

Wendy (06:45.668)
That John heard the crash like this is not any smoking gun or nunus.

Kelli (06:51.236)
No. And he's a horrible person for not going and checking on her. That's the problem. It it shines him in a very poor light because he's a douchebag.

Wendy (06:55.501)
Exactly, exactly.

Wendy (07:01.4)
Right. And that's what she didn't want.

Lori (07:01.772)
Now I wanna I wanna ask you a question. What do you guys think about Tamar saying that if Shannon needed something Alexa would be there?

Wendy (07:16.332)
No. No. There's there's no world that Shannon would need anything from Alexis. There's no there's no world where that would happen.

Kelli (07:18.13)
There's no way in this God given earth.

Lori (07:19.416)
Yeah, I didn't think so either.

Lori (07:24.331)
Right.

Kelli (07:24.368)
Right. And no Alexis would not be there ever in a million years.

Lori (07:27.404)
Would not be there, right?

Wendy (07:28.058)
You wouldn't. No, no.

Lori (07:31.342)
I think Tamar's crazy.

Kelli (07:31.441)
No. Tamra is the the phoniest fake person. She is no one's friend. She's all for show. She every move she makes is to is for the show or for her podcast. She probably doesn't even recognize herself when she looks in the mirror. She's not I don't know who she was before, but she's not that person now. She's not a normal person. She's like a rope, she's a Bravo robot, Tamra.

Lori (07:38.669)
Ever.

Lori (07:56.867)
Right. Mm mm. Robot, yeah.

Kelli (08:01.818)
And she doesn't care who she has to run over. She's nobody's friend.

Wendy (08:05.21)
Well, they've they've already filmed the reunion and it was said that the end of the season, which we haven't gotten to yet, but we're getting pretty close, is pretty much like the end of the reunion. So how however the season ends is pretty much how the reunion ends. I think so, yes. And I is it true that Vicky is Vicky the one who came out and said that she's not coming back? Or was that I mean

Kelli (08:22.662)
Where people stand with each other.

Lori (08:31.339)
I hope so.

Wendy (08:34.22)
I hope so too. She said Right.

Kelli (08:34.766)
It's been out there that Vicky's not coming back, but she also said, Well, I never said that and no contracts have gone out yet. Honestly, I think this show's done. I think it's ran it's I think I think all Housewives franchises should have a twenty year expiration on them. I think twenty years is quite long enough.

Wendy (08:42.512)
Okay.

Wendy (08:56.144)
I actually agree with you. I I didn't think I would, but I definitely agree with you. I think twenty years is good. And then maybe if in in ten years from now we want to do like a special and see where they're at, if they're alive, like we'll see what's going on.

Kelli (08:57.447)
Yeah.

Kelli (09:05.624)
Absolutely. Absolutely. You could even do that every five years, but do like a five episode thing and we're good. I think Jersey should have less than twenty years. But that's just my selfish opinion. But yeah, I think we're good on OC. I think we, you know, shelve this one, put it in the archives until we need a reunion.

Lori (09:07.341)
Right.

Wendy (09:11.951)
Yeah.

Wendy (09:31.596)
I I agree. I totally agree.

Kelli (09:33.874)
So Joe tells Gina that she's on sixty days with no alcohol. I I really need to try this. I'm not kidding. 'Cause I really, really am trying not to smoke. So I really think I need to, you know, after this.

Wendy (09:47.906)
I was like, listen, you don't have to make any rash decisions. You can stop smoking and still drink. I know, because like listen, let's let's not just go s

Kelli (09:50.702)
No, I don't. I know the that's it's very difficult for me. They go hand in hand.

Lori (09:51.01)
Yeah, Wendy always tells us this. Do anything rash.

Lori (09:58.745)
Smoking and drinking, yes they do. Yeah. Yes, just sit out there for hours alone, alone.

Kelli (09:59.971)
Absolutely. Especially with that gazebo out there. I could just sit out there for hours.

Wendy (10:05.323)
Ha ha ha

Kelli (10:07.868)
Yeah.

So Alexis says goodbye to Jen, and Jen says she has no problem with Alexis. then we see Carmella is talking about I think Heather, somebody was talking about Carmela, how she's not a hundred percent on going to Tokyo. She's very nervous. She's ninety nine percent yeah, so and then we see what happens. Eddie and Tamra get up to give a speech about their endeavor.

Wendy (10:29.328)
She's ninety nine. She's ninety nine percent, she said.

Kelli (10:40.784)
She thanks Elizabeth for hosting the party and she says it's important that they're all together and it's a night to celebrate. And then

Lori (10:48.396)
Now I thought to myself it d that wasn't really a very long speech. Like you really needed to write that down.

Wendy (10:52.823)
No, it wasn't.

Kelli (10:55.46)
No, but listen, let's be thankful it wasn't a long speech because we're coming off of Ultimate Girls Trip where Luann's speech went off for forty minutes. So that's we're okay. We're okay with the short speech. Shane finally arrives and Terry makes a very big deal about it, Terry DeBro.

Lori (10:59.192)
Yes, let's rethink.

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. So we'll just go with that. Okay.

Lori (11:12.682)
It was embarrassing. I thought it was embarrassing for Shane.

Wendy (11:13.018)
That was funny.

Kelli (11:16.664)
I think Terry just I I think that Terry really does just like it when everybody's he likes it when everybody's having a good time. And he just won't

Lori (11:18.838)
I know he didn't mean it.

Lori (11:24.27)
You're right.

Wendy (11:24.566)
He likes it when he's got the other guys there with him, I think, too. I I think he likes that. He probably likes Shane because I think Shane, you know, I think Shane and Terry have a very similar sense of humor. And I think that they they probably get along very well. And he knows the whole situation. You know what I mean? Like I think that you know, she's like, Nobody even knows who I am. Right. Yeah.

Lori (11:28.162)
Yeah.

Kelli (11:35.762)
Yeah.

Lori (11:36.259)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (11:43.857)
Right. 'Cause Heather and Emily are close, so Yeah. No, I agree with that. Emily hugs him and he's like, You don't even hug me when I come home. Why are you hugging me now? I feel like Shane should have Yeah, I feel like he should have just taken the hug.

Wendy (11:57.189)
That was so awkward.

Lori (12:01.528)
Yeah. I was like, that's not good.

Kelli (12:02.534)
You know, Eric and I are not like a super affectionate couple, you know, what you know, in general, but once in a while I'm like, would you like to give me a kiss? You know, like making a joke of it. And he does it. He doesn't ever question it. Like, you know what I mean?

Lori (12:19.318)
Yeah, no, that was that was very kinda telling. I was like, Ooh, it's bad.

Kelli (12:22.576)
Yeah. Like even if something doesn't happen all the time once when your significant other ap approaches you and

Wendy (12:22.604)
It it was it was a little cringy.

Wendy (12:30.254)
Yeah, just do it. Especially when you're on camera.

Kelli (12:31.548)
Just do it. Especially when on camera. Yeah. and then so then the party's over. Then we see Shannon Shannon taking care of Archie. And she said tells the story one night where she thought he was having a bad dream and he was convulsing and his eyes were rolling in the back of his head and he was having a seizure and it came out of nowhere. He laid on the bathroom floor and she laid with him for the rest of the night.

Lori (12:32.044)
Right. Right. I know. I was like, whoa.

Wendy (12:46.448)
So sad.

Kelli (13:03.366)
This must have been very triggering for you, poor Lori.

Lori (13:06.518)
It's horrible. It's horrible when you have a pet and they get sick. It really or they pass away. It's just I mean, they're they're a great they're a great joy when when you have them, but when they when they get sick or they pass, it's it's like a family member. I know people say that and people who don't have have pets must be like, Yeah, okay. But it it really is. Yeah.

Kelli (13:10.512)
Yeah.

Wendy (13:12.728)
No, I can't imagine, especi

Kelli (13:29.38)
No, I understand. I don't have pets, but I could understand how that is.

Wendy (13:33.507)
Totally understand and and especially with Shannon. you know, he was there before she got, you know, she she he went through she went through the divorce with Archie, she went the whole John Jance. Like Archie has been there. We've we've known Archie. Like Archie has been there a long time. Yeah, like he's been around a long time and I get it. Like that is part of your family. I mean, I don't have a pet myself either, but I totally get it when it is like, like you said, a part of your family.

Kelli (13:42.896)
Yeah.

Kelli (13:47.364)
Yeah, as long as we've known Shan and we've known Archie, yeah.

Lori (14:02.516)
Yeah. So he has to go to a neurologist, get a R I.

Kelli (14:02.673)
Yeah.

Kelli (14:07.066)
Yeah, and listen, she calls Stella and she tells her, you know, the what the dot what the vet said, just what Lori said. And Stella's like, He's gonna be fine. He's gonna be all right. It's like But he might not. So, you know, but what is she gonna say? She's in Europe. Like, what is she gonna say? And then poor Shannon's got this Tokyo trip, and it's like, what is she gonna say? D don't go on the trip, cancel the trip? You can't say that.

Lori (14:21.879)
It may not.

Wendy (14:22.126)
I know, but that's what Stella has to say. That's what she yeah. Yeah, she's that's what she's gotta say. Yeah.

Lori (14:25.047)
Rhea, what's she gonna say?

Lori (14:33.078)
Right. No.

Wendy (14:34.51)
I'm so glad she went. I am glad that she went.

Kelli (14:36.734)
for sure. Listen, she needs to get paid. then we see Jen is at the aesthetic lounge and Emily shows up. Ryan's daughter Tyler works there. And Emily tells Jen that she is the problem of why she and Ryan aren't married yet. And you know, Jen goes into her whole thing. Like, you know, marriage is

you know, makes her nervous and I listen, I get it, you know. And then they're both talking to this doctor about facelifts. Now it was weird because I I think Emily is a beautiful woman and she obviously, you know, takes care of herself in r in the respect that, you know, she's staying on top of her looks. But Jen is like flawless. This woman does not need a facelift. She doesn't need anything.

Wendy (15:12.688)
This was so weird. This was weird.

Lori (15:13.954)
Doctor Saddaddy.

Lori (15:27.672)
Yeah, I didn't

I didn't see where either one of them needed it. Right.

Kelli (15:33.166)
No, I agree with you. Emily neither. But I could see Emily just doing it to do it because she has the funds and she's doing everything else. But like Jen, like w I don't understand.

Lori (15:38.028)
Right. Right. Right.

No, 'cause he's like pulling her face and it's looking the same. Like you pull my face, it looks totally different. You know?

Kelli (15:47.63)
It's the same. Yeah. huh.

Wendy (15:52.401)
I don't really get what c I mean, it's it doesn't say it's a doctor's office. It says aesthetic lounge. Like that whole thing I thought was a little strange. And the fact that well, he's gotta be a doctor if he's gonna be doing a facelift.

Kelli (15:59.623)
Well it was probably like a med's box.

Lori (16:01.954)
Yeah.

Well he said his name was Doctor.

Wendy (16:07.414)
I know, but then he's only doing he's just like pulling her neck back. Like I mean, there was nothing more like medical.

Kelli (16:13.328)
Maybe it's like Carolac where he only does from the neck up. Carolac only does neck up.

Lori (16:19.094)
No, because I've actually been to consultations and that's really all they do is Yeah. Seriously.

Wendy (16:23.52)
Really? Seriously?

Kelli (16:25.948)
So it's not a full facelift?

Lori (16:29.016)
Well no, like when I went, it was for this. So he said I would need a cheek lift. So he just basically showed me with his hand what it would look like, explained the procedure, told me how much it would be.

Kelli (16:43.922)
And then you like, Nice to meet you.

Lori (16:45.395)
Nice to meet you and see you when I win the lottery 'cause I'd really like it done but

Kelli (16:52.466)
Yep. so then Harry, Harry. Heather and Terry are talking, and she says she was worried about Carmella going because of her insulin and all the needles she's gonna need for diabetes. And then but but she's going. Like Heather's so happy she's going. And then we're at the airport.

Lori (17:17.356)
Now isn't it the same lounge that Beverly Hills used? I think it's the same lounge. Cause it looked it looked exactly the same.

Wendy (17:21.904)
I believe so. I think that they all use that it must be the same airport.

Kelli (17:24.572)
Maybe they all fly out of LAX.

Wendy (17:27.78)
think it's LAX. I don't I don't know if it's LAX or where exactly it is, but it's some sort of like on the tarmac lounge waiting area that they go to. Like they're not in the general population.

Lori (17:38.134)
'Cause it looked it looked exa yeah, it looked exactly like the one that Beverly Hills used.

Wendy (17:43.256)
Yes, I agree. I agree with you.

Kelli (17:44.666)
Okay. Okay. So everyone everyone is addressed is dressed appropriately for flying. Did you notice that? Everyone had like their two piece Amazon comfy outfits on.

Lori (17:55.159)
Yes. Mm-hmm. And I loved how Heather had no makeup.

Wendy (17:55.279)
Yes.

Wendy (17:59.195)
But poor Shannon poor Shannon how they had making fun of her with her cashmere comfy. Come on

Kelli (18:04.358)
Tamara was clowning on her.

Lori (18:06.381)
Rude.

Kelli (18:09.934)
Yeah, like who cares? Tokyo, how long was that flight? Do we even know? Get the F out of here. I could never. I could never. and then they get a text that Carmela is not coming. So they call her and she said this week's been very stressful. Her sugar is at four hundred, which if you don't know, that's incredibly high.

Lori (18:10.028)
Yeah. Yeah, shut up, Tamra. Long

Wendy (18:14.704)
Twelve hours, twelve hours. Twelve hours.

Lori (18:16.865)
Long, yeah.

Wendy (18:33.37)
That's bad.

Kelli (18:36.434)
I believe when I had the gestational diabetes with Joe, when I was pregnant with Joe, I had to keep it below 130. I think 130 was like alarming. So that's incredibly high. She's on 12 injections a day. So she needs to take care of herself. she couldn't get her ADHD ADHD medications cleared. so they all are like, well.

Lori (18:53.262)
Girls girls got a problem.

Kelli (19:06.022)
You know who's gonna be happy. And everybody in unison's like Vicky.

Wendy (19:09.732)
Vicky. But what about what Gina said? Like, how do people fly? Everyone in Orange County's on Adderall. And I'm thinking to myself, How do they travel? Like, seriously, do you really have to get that cleared if you're on a prescription?

Kelli (19:21.68)
Well, it maybe it's going to Tokyo. Maybe Tokyo, maybe Japan has certain laws that are different.

Lori (19:22.178)
Well, I think for certain

Tokyo's the problem. Right. Yep. Most definitely.

Kelli (19:33.872)
I mean, couldn't you just put them on your carry on or no? I haven't flown in you know how long, so

Wendy (19:34.489)
Really?

Lori (19:37.583)
Sometimes though those sometimes those foreign countries are like they're weird, like yeah, you could put in your carry-on, but God forbid you get busted, they'll like throw you in jail. Like there's no it's no mess around. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And how about Vicky? She's so rude. I think Carmilla made a great decision. She doesn't know us. She's a Debbie Downer. Shut up.

Kelli (19:50.959)
Right, right. And ho yeah, I just think of Midnight Express. You know what I mean? F that.

Kelli (20:07.129)
project much. The last thing Carmella is, is a Debbie Downer.

Lori (20:08.533)
Uh-huh.

Lori (20:12.543)
Yeah, please.

Kelli (20:14.906)
Yeah. Shannon shares that Archie was diagnosed with brain cancer. Which is very sad.

Wendy (20:21.276)
that was so sad. I'm sorry, speaking of cancer, and I hate to interrupt this, but did you just see our Pope was just diagnosed with lung cancer?

Kelli (20:33.124)
I did not see that. I've been seeing I've been seeing posts all day to pray for him, which I have. Surgery went well, but that's what they found lung cancer.

Wendy (20:41.686)
He was diag yes, he was diagnosed with lung cancer. I'm sorry to interrupt, but I just wanted to tell everyone and we will be praying for him because, you know. Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (20:49.535)
Absolutely. Aww.

Sha was he a smoker? Do we know? Doesn't matter.

Wendy (20:58.008)
I you know what? It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.

Lori (20:58.71)
Doesn't matter.

Lori (21:02.188)
A lot of people a lot of people with lung cancer n have never smoked.

Kelli (21:02.48)
I've never seen a priest smoke.

Kelli (21:08.015)
I know.

Wendy (21:08.312)
A lot yes, a lot of time it's second especially like if you were in the service industry, like secondhand smoke, like even you've never smoked yourself.

Kelli (21:16.902)
Yeah. well we'll definitely be praying for him. I was surprised to find out that this is Heather's first time to Japan.

Wendy (21:18.127)
Yeah.

Yes, I'm sorry.

Lori (21:25.452)
Yeah, right.

Wendy (21:26.094)
It was all of their first time, which I thought that's great. I love it when

Kelli (21:29.104)
I just figured Heather because she's like very worldly and very wealthy. I just figured maybe she had been there before.

Lori (21:31.352)
Sure.

Wendy (21:33.326)
Mm.

Lori (21:33.868)
Right, you figured she would have been there, yeah. Would you like to go to Japan?

Wendy (21:37.124)
Yeah.

Wendy (21:40.952)
I would.

Kelli (21:41.326)
I I can't go on I can't sit on an airplane for twelve hours.

Wendy (21:45.425)
no, I definitely could. I would love to go. I would love to go. I loved actually I I'll be honest with you, I love seeing the actual city of Tokyo. Like I love the lights. I like I like a city. Like I like a city vibe. I would love to go. And I would like to go to the seven eleven and have the egg salad sandwich too, to be quite honest with you. I would sign up

Kelli (21:54.876)
Yeah.

Lori (22:00.111)
Need to.

Kelli (22:04.05)
That was hysterical.

Lori (22:05.718)
I love egg salad. Do you guys like egg salad? I love I love egg salad.

Kelli (22:09.614)
I like egg salad. I don't know if I like it from seven eleven, but I mean this sounds like something you have to experience.

Wendy (22:09.614)
I do, I do like egg salad.

Wendy (22:14.98)
I mean I

Lori (22:16.907)
It sounds like it.

I'd be with you. I'd be eating it.

Kelli (22:20.636)
So of course Vicky's getting sick in the van and then

Lori (22:23.936)
Is she really though? Is she really? Or is she just making those horrible noises?

Wendy (22:23.988)
my gosh.

Kelli (22:26.404)
She makes that noise a lot, the the she makes that noise a lot. But Emily or who was with them? Jen? Later says that she they were puking and shitting their pants. They, meaning Vicky and Shannon.

Wendy (22:29.54)
Yeah, yeah.

Shannon. J Jan.

Yes. Her and Shannon, yes. Because of the sausage on the plane. First of all, who's eating sausage on a plane when you're going twelve hours? Yeah, no. No, no.

Kelli (22:43.34)
Ew Not me and I love sausage but I'm not eating it on a plane. Absolutely not.

Lori (22:48.45)
Right.

Kelli (22:52.542)
they're having dinner at the hotel and Emily and Gina are sharing a room and Emily says, Does anyone have a problem with that? 'Cause you know, this has been a problem in the past.

Wendy (23:01.934)
It's only been a problem for Heather. Heather's the only one who has a problem with it.

Kelli (23:05.252)
Right. And then Tamra announces that she and Jen are sharing a room and Jen's like, Damn, hell hath frozen frozen over.

Wendy (23:13.252)
She genuinely looked surprised when Tamara announced that those two were sharing a room. I was surprised too. I think that Tamara just I think she just sprung it on her and Jen's like, Okay

Kelli (23:19.578)
You? I wouldn't share a room with Tamara.

Wendy (23:28.878)
And I don't know why she did it. I I don't know why. Because this was her trip. Wasn't this her trip?

Lori (23:34.2)
But why are any of them sharing a room? I mean, there's gotta be enough rooms in the hotel. It's not like they're in some Airbnb. I don't know what yeah I don't know what you're doing.

Kelli (23:37.136)
I know, where they were staying right.

Right. No, I agree. They should all have their own rooms. Emily makes a Mary Tyler Moore and Vic Dan Dick Van Dyke reference and Gina's like, Who? She's like, Come on.

Wendy (23:43.29)
Yeah.

Wendy (23:53.731)
No, no, Gina made the reference and Emily Yeah, Gina made the reference. Emily didn't know what it was. Yes. Yes. Yes. Gina made it. Yep.

Lori (23:54.764)
No, it was the other way around. Emily didn't know what she was talking about.

And Gina said, You're older than me, you should know this. Yeah.

Kelli (24:00.319)
Really?

Kelli (24:04.52)
see, I was typing, looking down typing. I really thought Emily made the reference because she was old, she's older. Emily, shame on you. Tamara, of course, has to tell Jen that Emily was complaining about her marriage on the van ride. And Jen says, is she doing enough with the kids when she does have the time?

Lori (24:07.724)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (24:08.11)
Yeah, no Gina made it

Lori (24:12.609)
No.

Wendy (24:12.718)
Yep, nope. Gina made it.

Kelli (24:31.856)
Now this might be why Tamara and Jen are sharing a room because Tamara's gonna get Jen to say all these things and then she's gonna drop them when she needs to.

then Shannon tell said Tamara said she looked like a man in her travel outfit. Who cares? Yeah.

Wendy (24:52.846)
Yeah, which was mean. I loved Shannon's dress. I loved her black and ivory dress, the color block dress. And then when she's trying to powder herself and the powder goes all over the place. I know people think it's shtick. It is not shtick with a Shannon. This is who she is. This is who she is. This is just who she is.

Kelli (25:06.124)
I don't think that was shtick. I don't think that was shtick. And I've actually done that. I have I got off of Amazon this it's it feels like a sponge, but it gets it removes like deodorant like like near your un you know, where your underarms are, but it's good for that stuff too. Like if you spill make you know, 'cause I'll get makeup on. I d I've learned to not get dressed until my makeup's done.

Lori (25:12.089)
yeah, me too.

Wendy (25:19.802)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (25:28.588)
Right.

Lori (25:32.462)
It's done. Yes.

Kelli (25:33.958)
But this sponge takes everything off. So I actually didn't think that part was shtick because I've done it myself.

But the they're s they're at dinner, the food really did look amazing.

Wendy (25:47.97)
ladies looked very nice too. I was very impressed with every single one of them. I thought they were all dressed

Kelli (25:52.228)
Especially for just getting off of that long plane ride.

Lori (25:55.421)
yeah. I would not be looking like that.

Wendy (25:56.333)
I thought they were all dressed appropriately. I thought they all looked great. I don't know. Did y did anyone even bring glam there or did they all do it themselves? I think they might have all done it themselves. Right?

Kelli (26:01.222)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (26:05.7)
I don't know, that's a great question. I don't think the OC girls are big on glam. I mean Heather maybe I could see Heather, but they never show it.

Wendy (26:11.641)
I don't think that

Lori (26:15.246)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (26:16.334)
And Heather's makeup isn't all that extravagant, you know?

Kelli (26:20.217)
No, no.

Kelli (26:24.698)
Yeah, then they start talking about who went to jail. And Gina says to Shannon, You didn't go to real jail. I went to real jail.

Wendy (26:30.746)
That was so funny. That was so funny.

Lori (26:33.922)
What did Gina go to jail for?

Wendy (26:36.314)
D UI.

Kelli (26:36.434)
D UI.

And hasn't drank since. That was years ago.

Wendy (26:42.552)
Yes, and you know, it was. She and she's and she's an admitted she's not an alcoholic. Because I saw people commenting about cause she took a sip of that that snake viper thing. She could take a sip of whatever she wants. Well, it was alcohol. But either way. Yeah, but either way, like she's not an alcoholic. It would just be like if Kyle if it would be like if Kyle Richards decided to take a drink of something. Or sip of something, right? Like

Kelli (26:54.93)
Yeah, but that was like an energy thing anyway, right?

okay.

Kelli (27:08.005)
Exactly.

Lori (27:08.748)
Right. Right. Just because she's made a decision not to drink doesn't mean that she's an alcoholic. Right. Two totally different things.

Kelli (27:10.833)
Or Eric.

Wendy (27:13.986)
Right, right. Like people are out there judging. I don't like when d I don't like when people do that.

Kelli (27:17.766)
Yeah, no, that's no. Nobody should judge anybody.

Wendy (27:23.226)
No.

Kelli (27:23.59)
So Heather says to Tamra, your party was very fun. And Tamara says, Yes. And the whole Alexis of it all. She brings up the whole Alexis of it all. So Heather brings up that Alexis said that they had beef. Alexis called Heather feckless. So feckless means incompetent and lacking strength of character.

Lori (27:47.512)
I didn't she say fleckless instead of feckless?

Wendy (27:50.604)
No, she said no, she definitely said feckless.

Kelli (27:51.919)
She said feckless, but but then the conversation at the table was like, Well, is it fleckless or feckless? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Lori (27:57.825)
Okay, okay, okay.

Wendy (28:00.965)
But you know, the interesting thing is when Heather was on Watch What Happens Live, sh you know, Andy asked her about that. She's like, you know what? And I I agree with Heather. She does have a pretty good vocabulary. She's like, I didn't even know what feckless meant. And that's like, that's just Alexis being Alexis. Like, come on.

Kelli (28:18.68)
It's just like there's the door, Shannon Badour. Alexis knew what she was gonna say before she even walked into that party. Feckless had been researched and memorized.

Wendy (28:23.031)
Right.

Lori (28:29.13)
Absolutely. Yes.

Wendy (28:31.824)
I think she said that on the podcast, Feckless. I think it was on the podcast. But either way, either way, she it was rehearsed. It was definitely rehearsed. Yeah.

Lori (28:34.934)
Right. But she still but she still had it memorized. Yes.

Kelli (28:34.947)
I think you're absolutely right. She

R rehearsed. Exactly. Exactly. So here we go. Jen brings up Emily sharing things about her and Shane. Well, how did Jen know that? She wasn't even in the van with Emily. She was in the van with Tamra. This is why so Tamara is now gonna get Jen to do her dirty work. And Jen's gonna fall for it because she's so desperate to be on the show. Now and I like Jen. I don't I don't say that like in a you know

Lori (28:52.91)
Exactly.

Kelli (29:09.222)
Well, I don't want to make any references. You know what I mean.

Wendy (29:09.84)
I know what you're saying though. There's some people that are pawns. Jenna's a pawn in this whole big game. Yeah.

Kelli (29:13.916)
Jen's gonna be a pawn now. Yeah.

Lori (29:16.302)
She's low hanging fruit.

Kelli (29:18.898)
Tamra says the stress of what you are both going through with Luke has to be very hard for your marriage, and Emily said they don't sleep in the same room. They don't even talk to each other when they wake up. He's very snarky towards her, and she's sick of it.

Tamara asked if they ever talk about divorce. And Emily said in seventeen years Shane has never said that word, but she has. I believe it too, because I don't think Shane would ever divorce her. Because first of all, I do think they're still intimate with each other. They might not talk to each other when they wake up, but they're still intimate with each other because they make references.

Wendy (29:42.692)
I believe it. I believe it 'cause of

Wendy (29:58.885)
You you think they're still intimate and not sleeping in the same bedroom?

Kelli (30:00.931)
Ab Absolutely one hundred percent. Definitely. They're still having sex with each other.

Wendy (30:04.793)
Interesting.

That's you Hm.

Kelli (30:08.28)
And Vicky said she bailed out too soon with Don and if you don't spend time with each other. I mean I mean I hope Don is watching.

Wendy (30:12.912)
my god.

Lori (30:19.618)
Yeah, right.

Wendy (30:19.626)
Sure he is. I feel like he should be getting royalties or a paycheck from this 'cause he's a just as much he's on this more than Mike is. The amount of times right?

Lori (30:23.18)
Something.

Kelli (30:26.328)
He is on this more than Mike is. I mean, this is unbelievable how she is admitting. If there's one thing we could say Vicky brought to season 20, it is accountability that she fucked her marriage with Don up solid and she regrets it. Listen, that's all I need from Vicky, quite honestly, because we all knew it was whack when it happened. I'm so glad she regrets it.

Lori (30:26.881)
Absolutely.

yeah.

Wendy (30:37.872)
Mm.

Lori (30:42.796)
Right. And regrets it. Right.

Wendy (30:43.214)
And she regrets it. Yes, she sure does.

Mm.

Kelli (30:56.146)
I know. Yeah.

Lori (30:56.15)
Yeah, she said she didn't make him a priority.

And then how about Jen asking if she thinks Shane has any insecurities in regards to Emily's looks?

Kelli (31:08.348)
That was the weirdest thing she could ever say, in my opinion.

Lori (31:11.468)
It was weird.

Wendy (31:13.114)
I think that was a coached question. That was coached because like that's what people keep saying, like, you look so great, you're doing so well. Well, I mean, yeah, that's a reason to say like there's they're having problems, but they were having problems before that. They were having problems last year when she was not taking care of herself and she was not looking as great as she does now. Like

Kelli (31:16.195)
I agree.

Lori (31:36.856)
Uh-huh.

Wendy (31:38.052)
That's just them being superficial and trying to make it into more than it really is, in my opinion.

Lori (31:43.426)
Right.

Kelli (31:43.503)
I agree. And I don't think Shane's like that. I think Emily did not look the way she looks right now when they got married and got together. So I don't think physical appearance is what Shane prioritizes in his marriage. I think he just wants one, some fucking acknowledgement that he's pulling the you know, weight with the kids and you know, c maybe c you know, could you help out a little bit?

Wendy (31:50.413)
No no

Wendy (32:03.919)
Well

Lori (32:13.25)
Well, listen, if this situation was reversed as as it usually is, that's how you gotta think about it. Like if if sh if Shane was a woman and he was a stay at home mom with two kids and one of them with special needs, three kids and one of them with special needs.

Wendy (32:14.256)
Agree.

Wendy (32:17.796)
Gosh.

Kelli (32:19.929)
Normally is.

Wendy (32:21.422)
Yes, yes.

Wendy (32:34.704)
Three kids. Annabelle, teenager. Yeah, absolutely.

Lori (32:40.226)
Yeah, i i y like you know.

Wendy (32:43.854)
I mean, listen, Gina's closest with Emily and Shane. And she's like, listen, Shane just needs help. I didn't like that Heather said, just throwing money at the problem isn't gonna help. And I agree, it's not just throwing money at the problem, right? Because obviously they have the money. But Gina's right. Shane needs help and he needs acknowledgement. And he has said that he needs acknowledgement. He said that to Emily, and she's not willing to do it.

Lori (33:05.07)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (33:09.274)
And of course when Gina's saying this as her good friend, who would know best? Tamara's like, Mm, I think it's deeper than that.

Wendy (33:17.379)
Right.

Kelli (33:18.874)
It's it's probably not deeper than that.

Lori (33:21.848)
And I didn't particularly like online when people were say there were some social media posts that were saying, you know, Gina's just trying to flex that she's got money to But listen, she's she's got she's got all yeah, she's got listen, Gina should have somebody come help her with laundry. She's got all them, you know, she's got a lot of kids in that house. Hell yeah.

Wendy (33:22.083)
And then in her

Wendy (33:31.876)
No, 'cause Tamar said that in her confessional.

Kelli (33:42.224)
Yeah. Yep.

Wendy (33:42.373)
Six kids. And Tamara said that in her confessional. now Gina's bougie. Now that she's gonna make it rain. Tamara set that seed. And that's just Tamara being a jealous bitch because Gina has worked her ass off and it wasn't handed to her. Right, right. And she's closest with Emily and Shane out of all of them. And she knows what goes on behind closed doors because she's there.

Lori (33:47.84)
Right. Right, right, right, yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (33:56.376)
In real estate which Tamra was in.

Kelli (34:05.137)
Yes.

Wendy (34:09.304)
Maybe not all the time, but if anybody has an insight as to what's going on, I would listen to Gina. Yeah.

Lori (34:13.516)
It would be her. Way before Tamra.

Kelli (34:15.484)
Well, because if anybody sees each other off camera while they're not filming, it's Emily and Gina. So Emily does say she's in an indifferent place. And obviously that's not good. And Jen co signs what Vicky was saying, like divorce sucks. So, you know, do what you have to do to make it work, which is very good advice. And honestly, I think Shane and Emily are gonna be just fine. I really, really do. I think if they're

Wendy (34:19.424)
Right. It's right. Absolutely. Absolutely.

Wendy (34:42.832)
I think so too. I do too.

Kelli (34:44.004)
in a very tumultuous time in their marriage and obviously even if every kid was mentally and physically as healthy as could be, it's just a difficult time with those ages, especially with your daughter in middle school. Shit goes down. Shit goes down.

Lori (35:00.034)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (35:05.018)
So, Tamara tells Emily she worries about her marriage and Emily needs validation that she's a good mom, but if he's the primary caretaker, then why is he gonna be gassing you up as the parent?

Wendy (35:20.59)
Yep, that's the whole problem. And that's his point. That's exactly his point. Like you need to acknowledge me. Right. Yes. Yes.

Lori (35:20.61)
Right. That's the problem.

Kelli (35:22.222)
Right. Right. So she's asking from him what he really needs from her.

Lori (35:29.002)
Exactly. And you know what it is? It's she she wants to be told that she's a good mom because she feels bad about you know you know what I mean? Like it's just

Kelli (35:42.096)
Insecure.

Kelli (35:47.11)
Yeah. It's an insecurity of hers.

Wendy (35:48.42)
About not being there. Yeah.

Lori (35:49.854)
About right, about not being there.

Wendy (35:53.745)
Lis this is something that could be fixed very simply with just a little family counseling.

Kelli (35:59.559)
Yes. Absolutely. So they leave the restaurant, they find a seven eleven, and Tamara wants Vicky goes to bed. Tamara wants an egg salad sandwich from seven eleven and she said it did not disappoint. They saw it on TikTok.

Lori (36:00.175)
Absolutely.

Wendy (36:06.532)
Vicki goes to bed. Vicki's not going.

Lori (36:08.28)
Yeah, they can get big it goes to bed.

Wendy (36:16.484)
They all said it, all of them. Jen, Emily, Tamara, and I am here for it, to be quite honest with you. If I go to Tokyo, I will be having that egg salad sandwich from seven eleven. Yep.

Kelli (36:22.64)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Kelli (36:27.174)
The 7 Eleven egg salad sandwich. Yeah. So they go into a bar that fits only like five people, which looks very cute.

Wendy (36:33.456)
But what about the stairs? No, but what about the stairs? my God. that's what I thought. my God. Like how that would have been yeah.

Lori (36:36.386)
I guess that's a thing there. those stairs, like a death trap.

Kelli (36:40.944)
Yeah.

Yeah, I don't think you guys would have been able to finagle that very well. I would have been like this behind you guys.

Lori (36:44.92)
Thank God Vicky didn't go.

Wendy (36:50.284)
I'm pr me? I

Lori (36:54.604)
I would have just went on my ass one step at a time.

Kelli (36:56.442)
Right. Shimmy up.

Wendy (36:58.352)
I don't know. Did you notice that Jen has slippers on when they went out? I Yes. Yes. I would have been that. Like if I Yeah. Yeah, no, I noticed Jen has I fr I saw the slippers and I like red dressed, right? it's Jen. Like I didn't I didn't see whose they were until I I put it together. Yeah, it was Jen. I would do that. Like if I'm going to walk the streets, I would put on my hokas or my

Lori (37:01.422)
I did! She had slippers on.

Kelli (37:02.446)
No. See, I hate I'm always looking down, typing notes.

Kelli (37:17.649)
Yeah.

Wendy (37:23.16)
Something comfortable, not my sh not my stilettos. I would not be walking up those stairs or down the streets of Tokyo with any kind of heel. It wouldn't be happening.

Lori (37:26.826)
no, no, no, no. No.

Kelli (37:32.605)
You know, I brought slippers to the wedding the other night, but I left them in the car and I had my high heel boots on, and I should have it was it was a it was a costume themed wedding, which is why I had high heel boots on. but I should have brought them into the wedding with me because I didn't put them on until I got into the car. And do you know my feet? That was Saturday night. My feet are still hurting from dancing. listen, Eric and Joe.

Wendy (37:38.094)
Yeah. That's okay.

Wendy (37:57.2)
I would have sent Bill out to get them. You d couldn't have sent Eric out to get them?

Kelli (38:02.192)
Well, they didn't make that many trips to the car because they didn't have to. Because of the par party favors. Yes, exactly. It was smoke friendly at the wedding, yes. But so they're in this bar and there's a l a drink with a snake in the bottle. Now, did you not did you think the snake was alive? I thought the snake was alive for a minute. I don't know. I don't know what goes on in Tokyo. What do I know?

Wendy (38:05.952)
okay. Because 'cause it was readily there. Right. It was right there.

Lori (38:09.866)
Yes. Party favor table. Yeah.

Lori (38:21.922)
No for God's sake.

Wendy (38:23.737)
Be alive.

Lori (38:28.425)
No my god

Lori (38:33.166)
All right, Shannon.

Wendy (38:33.218)
No, I did not think it was alive.

Kelli (38:34.842)
Yeah. So vi sh Gina's like but Vicky should have come with us because I think this snake venom could have cured all of her ailments.

Lori (38:37.142)
Okay.

Lori (38:45.677)
Yeah.

Wendy (38:46.458)
thought that was funny. And I like that she t I like that she tasted it. Like, listen, even if I'm not drinking, if if there's something like that, I would probably taste it. Even if it's something

Kelli (38:54.45)
Well, that's the thing that I think it was an ex it was a part of the experience. She wasn't drinking it to get a buzz.

Lori (38:58.382)
Yeah.

Wendy (38:59.248)
A hundred percent. A hundred percent. No, no, and I like even so much, like if I did go to Tokyo, I would taste things that I would not taste here. Cause I am not like I'm not a sushi eater. But if I was out and somebody else was having sushi or having it like you know, like the Japanese experience, I would try I would take a taste. I wouldn't order my own, but I would certainly taste it, right?

Kelli (39:09.308)
Right.

Kelli (39:18.962)
Well that's yeah.

Right. Right.

Lori (39:23.796)
Right. Yes.

Kelli (39:26.96)
Yeah. So I think is this the next day when next morning Emily calls Shane and she can't see him and she thinks he didn't greet her properly well and then like he didn't say hi, how are you? But she didn't say hi, how are you to him either? So I that was weird.

Wendy (39:33.892)
The next morning. Yeah, when she faced Time Shane, yeah.

Lori (39:35.235)
Yeah.

Lori (39:46.232)
I didn't think she was particularly I didn't think she was particularly nice to him either, no.

Yeah, it where.

Kelli (39:54.845)
She says she's trying to be the best mom to their kids and Shane keeps taking shots at her. You know, I wonder with what's going on with Luke if he's asked her like to take a break from the show and she just won't.

Lori (40:07.938)
Yeah, maybe he's feeling shitty about it.

Wendy (40:10.448)
I wouldn't be surprised because it seems it seems like from what Emily has said, not what Shane has said, but from what Emily has said that Luke is upset when she's gone. So that would make sense that she would maybe take a break from the show.

Kelli (40:11.259)
And he's resentful.

Kelli (40:29.402)
Yeah. I think they all should take a break from the show, but

Wendy (40:31.492)
Because we because we all know this that she does not need the money. It's not like it is her source of income. And I think that she has a good enough relationship with Bravo that if she was to take off a couple of years and the show happened to still be there, that they would take her back. But again, she doesn't need the money. So I don't know. I feel like as a we are all moms.

Kelli (40:37.361)
Right.

Kelli (40:52.326)
Yeah. Right.

Kelli (40:57.862)
I think it becomes more about the money.

Wendy (41:01.07)
Well, I mean I mean for us it would be about the money, but still we're moms. there's not one of us here that's not putting our children first. It doesn't matter about the money. Even if it was about the money, we would still be like, Screw it. I my kid needs me. This is where I'm gonna be. Somebody needs you, your family needs you, you're gonna be there. And I

Kelli (41:09.432)
No. Right.

Lori (41:22.166)
Right, that's why, you know, I actually got a little bit of flack online with comments because I had said that thing about, you know, Emily getting all those texts when she was at the party and not answering them and a lot of people came back at me like, you know, you don't w no, no, you don't have an autistic child, you don't know what it's like. Maybe if she responds it makes it worse, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But I feel like I would never have said that if

Wendy (41:38.181)
she deserves a night out, right.

Lori (41:51.213)
Like what you said, Wendy, wasn't presented to me as kinda like a backup. 'Cause what Wendy's saying is true. So

Wendy (42:03.896)
Right. Right.

Kelli (42:04.956)
Well, what people don't know is that we all have kids who have had gone through mental health issues. So we have all been there. At different times. Right.

Wendy (42:11.471)
Yes.

Lori (42:11.502)
Absolutely.

Wendy (42:14.158)
And we know what the sacrifice is. Yes, and we know what it takes. And we've all done it despite what was going on in our lives. No matter what needed to be done, we were there to do it, whether it financially impacted us, which it it does every time, because of we are living paycheck to paycheck. Let's be real. This is who we are. We are real housewives living paycheck to paycheck. We need the money. So

Lori (42:22.552)
Like whatever, whatever it right, whatever took. Right.

Lori (42:33.262)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (42:33.328)
Absolutely.

Kelli (42:38.066)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (42:41.52)
Mm-hmm. Right.

Wendy (42:44.088)
When we make these decisions, it does, and it's not just financially impacting us, it's impacting our entire family. Right? So

Lori (42:51.01)
Family, right.

Kelli (42:51.706)
Mm-hmm. And we all have husbands who are supportive and by our side.

Lori (42:56.684)
Right. So I just I didn't mean it to be judgmental of Emily a attacking her as a mother. That wasn't it. I was just making comment in regards to what I have seen previous from what she's presenting to me.

Wendy (42:57.2)
Absolutely.

Kelli (43:09.818)
Absolutely.

Kelli (43:14.81)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, and your point was valid.

Wendy (43:15.278)
Right right. No, listen, I f I we feel the same way. Yeah, totally feel the same way. If you need to take a break, then you take a break, but you need to make that decision. And you need to feel good about it. And I don't think that that's where she's at. And if you if you are not getting validation from your husband because he doesn't agree with you, then he's valid in his response as well. I think he's valid, like he's your partner.

He's doing everything that he can. And if there's something else that's needed that needs to come from you and you're not willing to do it, well then that's on you. I'm sorry. That's on you.

Lori (43:55.095)
Right, 'cause sh you know, she said she feels like she's just always a failure. And I you know, it's horrible for anybody to feel that way.

Wendy (44:03.672)
It is, it absolutely is. It is. Listen, life is a bunch of compromises. That's what we do, right?

Lori (44:07.777)
Yeah.

Kelli (44:10.172)
Yeah. Yeah. So now they're gonna go to a temple. They're gonna go to temple. And Gina tells them about how she went to Bali and she went to temple and you know, she was able to self reflect and what a really holistic experience it was for her. and she explains to them that you can get a good fortune or a bad fortune, but if you get a bad fortune, you can burn it. So Gina gets a great fortune.

Lori (44:10.99)
So

Wendy (44:17.252)
My gosh.

Kelli (44:38.738)
Tamra gets a good one. I didn't write them all down. I don't know if you guys did. Tamara gets a good one and starts to fake cry and talk about her kid again that doesn't want to be spoken about on the show. She can't keep this fucking girl's name out of her mouth. And the girl has repeatedly asked her not to talk about her. I mean, Tamra, you're so dumb. Like you're you're

Lori (44:42.243)
Yeah, no. Well I wrote down

Lori (44:47.234)
Okay, it's Sydney, yeah.

Wendy (44:47.986)
I wrote them down.

Lori (44:53.291)
Out of her mouth.

Kelli (45:04.312)
You're sac you're basically sacrificing your relationship with your daughter before the show. All you have to do is not talk about her, yet you can't stop talking about her. It it it's mind boggling.

Lori (45:10.04)
Right.

Wendy (45:17.914)
So I'm gonna give you Tamar'cause because this is how on point it actually is. Tamars is talk with tongue entangled by your getting drunk, but gives you no unpleasant impression to others. There may be little trouble in your family, but when you believe in God and ask for happiness, you can get calms down the person you wait for will come later. Okay, so there was a lot of truth in there.

But all she heard was that her daughter is gonna come because that's what she But did she hear about when you speak and you're drunk and the impression you give to others? Because there was a lot involved in her fortune. And she heard what she wanted to hear, which is who she is. That's who she is. That's who she is. Yes, yes.

Lori (45:53.91)
'Cause that's what she wants.

Kelli (46:01.619)
There was a lot in there.

Lori (46:02.05)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Kelli (46:06.514)
That's it. Yep.

Lori (46:06.537)
Exactly.

That's part of the problem, right?

Kelli (46:15.05)
Vicky's wasn't a great one and says stop marriage at all times. That was wild. Of any kind, of any kind.

Wendy (46:23.704)
Stop marriage of any kind. Stop marri of any kind. Yeah. Whoever wrote this damn fortune needs to be fired. Okay.

Kelli (46:35.75)
Holy cow. And then Emily's did say that both marriage and employment were good.

Lori (46:43.128)
So that's good.

Wendy (46:43.268)
I know. Yes, yours is a gem with no flaw. It will glisten better when you polish, which is her relationship. Your hope will become true. It is good for you to make a trip. Both marriage and employment are good. Listen, I I don't know how listen, I don't know how valid these are. And Jen's was bad. Jen's is marriage and employment are both bad. So she burns hers.

Kelli (46:52.508)
Yeah.

Kelli (47:13.691)
Yeah.

Wendy (47:14.026)
Heathers was fortune is everything does not go smoothly. She burns hers.

You're a drop in yen while praying for your wish, and then Gina is shaking this. yeah, okay, so she's shaking it. Hers is her fortune is when spring comes, all trees and grasses are in full bloom. Wealth will grow, large marriage, employment, and starting a trip or are all right. So hers was good too. But I don't know. I don't know how hokey this whole thing is. I when she started talking to them when they were at this like fortune at the the temple.

Kelli (47:46.706)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (47:54.551)
I didn't even like I was right I was taking notes too. I thought there was like a guide t telling them what to do. And then I looked up, I was like, my god, it was Gina. Like Gina was the one guiding them.

Kelli (48:01.329)
Yeah.

Lori (48:05.262)
How I know what to do, yeah.

Kelli (48:06.726)
Yeah. Yeah. Well, it was a cool exercise though. I'm glad they did it.

Wendy (48:11.446)
It was a cool exercise and I if I go to Tokyo, I'm gonna go do it too.

Kelli (48:15.76)
Yeah. Yeah. So that was basically it. I mean, so we're just in I don't know how many episodes we're getting in Tokyo, but we're there, so

Lori (48:15.778)
We'll do it too. Yep.

Wendy (48:17.476)
Right?

Lori (48:27.592)
I would like more. One would hope. Yeah. I saw on the after show that Vicky says Carmela is coming in way too strong and way too hard.

Wendy (48:27.832)
I mean we definitely have to get another one for sure.

Kelli (48:29.969)
Yeah.

Kelli (48:39.142)
I don't know what she's talking about. Why? Because she gave nice presents? She really is crazy. She's not coming in too strong. She's giving people Dior pocketbooks, but or Chanel bags? What is she giving them? Or both? Like

Lori (48:40.918)
She's crazy. 'Cause she's crazy. She's crazy. She'cause she's crazy. She's crazy.

Wendy (48:43.898)
She doesn't yeah.

Lori (48:52.342)
I don't know, but it doesn't matter. Yeah. It's just disgracing.

Wendy (48:52.622)
Both. Both. Well, actually Heather gave Heather gave Emily a Chanel necklace, which we saw at Tamar's party because Heather was Emily was wearing it and Heather Heather called it out that she's like and I was like, that's interesting. Listen, I think that I don't know if it's true, I've heard that Carmelo's one and done. I could definitely see that happening. Especially when she bailed because she bailed on the Tokyo trip last minute.

Kelli (49:18.261)
Why?

Wendy (49:22.5)
That is a productions nightmare. That's a productions nightmare. You know, that's that's huge. An international trip, you bail day of.

Kelli (49:22.586)
Mm.

Lori (49:25.036)
Yes, this is true. This is true.

Lori (49:33.26)
Right. Inlet but who knows if that really was what happened. Yeah, but who knows if that's what really happened. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

Wendy (49:34.52)
That's it's not professional. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's very true. That's very true. No, I agree. I agree.

Kelli (49:36.934)
Yeah, who knows if that really happened.

I I really think they need to retire O C though. So if she's a one and done, hopefully it's because it's the last season.

Wendy (49:46.618)
do they how do they do that though? How would they retire O C?

Kelli (49:50.844)
Just end it. Don't bring it back. Just like they did with Dallas.

Lori (49:53.283)
The only people the only people I enjoy I only enjoy Heather and Carmella.

Wendy (49:53.348)
They did a reunion. How do you do a reunion and then end it?

Wendy (50:02.744)
I like Heather. I've always liked Heather. Kelly's never been a fan of fancy pants.

Kelli (50:07.376)
Yeah, I go I you know, I fli I flip flop with her. I loved her when she was going up against Alexis.

Wendy (50:11.821)
Shannon.

I like Shannon.

Lori (50:16.716)
Yeah, I don't mind Shannon.

Kelli (50:17.914)
It's not even a matter of liking them anymore. It's just where is this show going? It's the same thing over and over again.

Lori (50:25.464)
But isn't it the same thing over and over again with all the shows?

Kelli (50:27.876)
On every franchise. Yeah, pretty much. That's what I'm saying. Like put an expiration date on it.

Wendy (50:30.948)
I mean, isn't that our life? Isn't that our life as we speak right now? It's like the same thing over and over again. I mean, I feel like Shannon at some point is going to move because sh none of her kids are in the OC anymore. You know, she's got I think two in New York and one in Paris. So what's keeping her in the OC? I know she loves where she lives. I I think you know, her dad. Her dad. Yeah, G in the machine.

Lori (50:37.272)
Thing over and over and over again. Yeah.

Kelli (50:38.66)
Yeah, it's groundhog day over here.

Lori (50:53.804)
Her dad isn't been her dad still has.

Kelli (50:55.59)
Her dad. But really, what is she gonna do? Go move to New York? Who wants to leave the who wants to leave OC to go to New York? The weather sucks here. We're c we're coming up on the winter.

Wendy (51:05.904)
Okay, but your kids are there. Your daughters are there.

Kelli (51:09.644)
Yeah, but they can come home. She's not gonna be hanging out with her kids every night.

Wendy (51:16.802)
I don't know. Well, I'm just gonna have to wait and see what happens.

Lori (51:19.918)
That's exactly.

Kelli (51:20.4)
We still have all of our kids at home. Once our kids move out, it's like now what? Like now you gotta kind of figure your shit out on your own.

Lori (51:27.188)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (51:28.6)
Yeah, we're not there yet.

Kelli (51:29.766)
We're not there. I dread the day. But you know what? The day'll probably come and I'll be like woohoo. I don't dread the day when I could take one of their bedrooms for a closet slash office.

Lori (51:39.158)
There you go.

Kelli (51:41.041)
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