RHOC S20 E2: Bingo Brunch Blowups & Podcast Wars

Kelli (00:00.802)
Hi, welcome to be one whenever I'm Kelly.

Wendy (00:03.669)
I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:05.496)
Tonight we're talking about Real Housewives of OC, season 20, episode two, not on my bingo card. But before we start, we'd like to ask that you please go to YouTube and subscribe and Instagram and like and follow and Facebook and TikTok follow and like and share and comment. Please comment. thank you. So we start the episode Shannon, Jen, and Gina go bungee exercising.

Wendy (00:27.063)
Thank you.

Wendy (00:35.351)
Actually, before we do that, can I do the taglines? Because the taglines came out. Okay. So Heather's tagline is my motives are like my taste. Better left unquestioned. Okay. Shannon's, how do I hold it all together? Resilience and shapewear. I actually like that one.

Kelli (00:38.312)
yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

Kelli (00:56.59)
Well yeah, it's very shanned. Yeah.

Wendy (00:58.655)
Right. Jen's is the truth speaks volume and I'm I'm about to turn it up. No, I don't like that one.

Gina's is just because I'm spoken for doesn't mean I won't speak up. Don't like that one either.

Kelli (01:14.498)
Nah, nah.

Wendy (01:17.417)
Emily's is my bite my body might be new, but my mouth is the same as always. I mean her mouth is the same, so maybe.

Kelli (01:27.66)
Yeah, I guess. It's always gotta be about our body though.

Wendy (01:30.935)
Carm I know, I know. Carmela's is I'm the center of attention and a center fold. I think that's kind of funny.

Kelli (01:42.744)
Those are the two reasons Vicky has a problem with you, by the way.

Wendy (01:46.099)
Exactly. And Tamar's. my gosh, Tamar's. I'm still the hottest housewife, that's my opinion. Whatever. And last

Kelli (01:55.382)
I mean for Tamara it's a pretty good tagline. I just don't agree with it.

Wendy (01:59.392)
Yeah. Vicki, last but not least, life comes and goes, but le legends, we whoop it up forever. For her, I think that's perfect. She's all about whooping it up.

Kelli (02:08.491)
Yeah, it's perfect. I didn't realize she had her own tagline. So she is a full on housewife, Vicky.

Wendy (02:14.346)
Yes, she is.

Kelli (02:15.83)
Interesting.

Wendy (02:17.516)
I know.

Kelli (02:18.741)
I'm incredibly over the shtick with Shannon with the bungee and the falling and the like now I see what everybody was saying last season. It's too much.

Wendy (02:24.407)
Mm.

Wendy (02:31.467)
Did you see Heather McDonald's? Did you see Heather McDonald's? She did a real Welcome to Shannon's School of Acting.

Kelli (02:35.904)
Yes.

Yes. like what does she keep saying? Okay, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. It was really funny. Yeah, if you haven't seen that yet, please go look for that. I would definitely do it. And I think maybe the first time we'd be like Shannon, like, but Shannon's done this before. And we know Shannon's done it before because we've seen Shannon do it before. Right.

Wendy (02:42.231)
It was funny.

Wendy (02:49.495)
Ha ha ha

Wendy (02:54.325)
I'll tell you that bungee look like fun. I would actually try that.

Wendy (03:05.281)
Well, she's the one who goes, right? Isn't she the one who goes there all the time? She brought them there. Right. Right. Right.

Kelli (03:07.787)
So if you're still that bad at it, Shannon, find something else to do. It's not for you. Cause you're certainly not burning any calories doing what you're doing, falling all over the place. so Gina says Emily's now fifty and she wants to do a party because they celebrated in France, but I guess this was off season. So she wants to celebrate and have everybody dress up as old ladies, except for Emily.

Wendy (03:36.511)
That was fun idea, to be honest with you. I loved it. I really loved it. my gosh.

Kelli (03:37.919)
I think that was a great idea. And where they went, yes. And I mean drag bingo. Yeah. Like perfect.

Wendy (03:45.953)
So much fun.

Kelli (03:47.63)
Jen says Shannon, why did we why did I just jump to Jen? Maybe my notes aren't that great.

Wendy (03:57.33)
well Gina Well G next thing I have is Gina said that Jen basically told Tamar we all talk shit about her when she's not there.

Kelli (04:06.581)
Right. And then I think it must flash to Jen because Jen says Shannon never wants to address a problem and wants her and Gina to do her dirty work. Jen's very messy this year. Very messy. she says that she told Tamara everyone talks shit about her and then Tamara got icy with Heather. And then

Wendy (04:19.862)
I agree.

Kelli (04:32.661)
Jen got a text from Tamara saying she appreciates Jen. And now Jen feels like she did something wrong to Heather. You knew exactly what you were doing, Jen. So stop it. And then we see Emily and Shane taking wedding pictures, and I'm like, are you kidding me? Are they renewing their vows again? Like, what are we doing here? But they're not. They're doing a new podcast. Now, I don't know the necessity of this podcast, but God bless. So they do true crime.

Wendy (04:42.631)
Yes, exactly, exactly.

Kelli (05:00.673)
They do their legally brunette podcast. Yeah.

Wendy (05:03.305)
No, they do lo yes. Yeah. It's not really true crime. It's just like it's Bravo cases, basically. It's not necessarily

Kelli (05:11.305)
It no, but it's not all Bravo cases. Not legally brunette. Bravo doc it is, but legally brunette, she talks about like all kinds of cases, like crime cases.

Wendy (05:22.057)
Yeah, yeah sh yeah, no she does. She does.

Kelli (05:25.473)
But now they're sp gonna do a specific one till Death Do Us Part, only about husbands and wives. I mean, I love that they do a podcast together. Like I think Shane is very funny, obviously in an extremely dry way.

Wendy (05:43.574)
I do too.

Kelli (05:44.651)
And I like their banter.

Wendy (05:46.688)
I do too.

Kelli (05:49.087)
So Tamra is mad that

Wendy (05:50.902)
think she's doing it, honestly. I think she's doing it to further separate her from the two T's.

Kelli (05:59.947)
Absolutely. And why wouldn't she? Tamra is mad that Emily didn't publicly thank her for putting her on the podcast. Okay, first of all, Tamara, I have listened to Two Tees since the very beginning. Very, very, very beginning. Tamra wasn't even supposed to be on two teas. It was supposed to be Teddy and Tinsley from New York.

That's where they got the two T's from. Tinsley backed out, and that's when they called Tamra in because she had gotten fired from OC. So I understand the success of two T's, and it is probably the number one Bravo podcast. I give credit where credit's due. But Tamra, relax. Obviously, Emily is appreciative. I mean, you know, Emily explains it that.

Wendy (06:46.231)
Probably. Probably.

Kelli (06:58.55)
I guess a producer of the podcast, said to s you know, just send a message out like, Hey, we're moving to blah, blah, blah. So she did what she was told. Maybe it wasn't the time to publicly thank Tamara. Maybe she didn't want to publicly thank Tamara after Tamara said that her podcast tanked.

Wendy (07:02.796)
Right.

Wendy (07:19.413)
Right. On the reunion, right.

Kelli (07:21.888)
On the reunion, yeah. So Shane says to Emily, send her a thank you card. Because then what could she possibly say? He's right. He's so right. yeah.

Wendy (07:28.101)
my God, I love that.

He's absolutely right. And I and that's why I like Shane actually, because he makes perfect sense. And she's just like, Are you kidding? There's d no, I'm not sending her a thank you card. But he's right.

Kelli (07:39.404)
Because but the he's right because what so then if Tamla Tamar brings it up again, she could be like, But I sent you a thank you card like no, it wasn't public, but we're friends, right? Like I should be able to s just send my friend a thank you card and not have it be a public thing.

Wendy (07:50.913)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Wendy (07:59.584)
No, and this is what it is. It's that she wanted to start off the season on a better note, right? She didn't want to start off the season fighting with everybody. So she had to pick the most kind of benign thing to fight with. Emily. so she'd have something, right? 'Cause she can't just come in and be good with everybody. Ha I mean, that's not how Tamar rolls. Right?

Kelli (08:22.22)
Right. Everyone would call her out on that, yeah.

No, I think you're absolutely right. so now Heather and Tamara are out together and Heather says she didn't like the way the party ended. So Tamara tells Heather that Jen said Heather says things behind her back and that she isn't friends with her like she thinks she is. So Heather is blatantly denying it and saying that Jen has been baiting her.

By asking her questions. And Tamara says she just doesn't think Heather likes her. Heather says just because you don't like someone's behavior doesn't mean you hate her. Everyone is in their own box and everyone has their own box and Heather says Tamra is scary.

And listen, we said it the other night 'cause we were talking about Lindsay when when somebody you know, Whitney said Lindsay was scary. Lindsay's not scary, she's intimidating. Tamara is scary because she is up Alex Baskin's ass. But I don't necessarily think that Heather ha exactly, and Andy's. I don't think Heather has anything to worry about. I think that the rest of them do. But not Heather. Heather's a big draw just because of her wealth alone.

Wendy (09:15.521)
Yeah.

Wendy (09:24.231)
Mm-hmm. And Andy's.

Kelli (09:38.41)
She would Heather would never fit in with the Beverly Hills Housewives. Heather's perfect for OC because she considers herself up here. And quite honestly, yeah. And she is the top she nobody's got more money than her on this show. She's she's right where she's supposed to be. But she's not wrong.

Wendy (09:47.585)
She needs to be the top dog, yes, yes.

Kelli (10:00.652)
So the funniest part about this conversation is Tamara's calling Heather out on not being honest to her face, but meanwhile, she's talking mad shit about Heather and her confessionals and not saying it to her face. Right?

Wendy (10:12.907)
Right. And I mean yeah, a hundred percent. And even when, you know, the whole put in the box thing, well Heather's like, Well, I did say that. I can, you know, I can I do put my I do compartmentalize and, you know, put put people in a box. And she's like, Well you don't put me in the same box as other people. She's like, No, everyone has their own box. And, you know, she actually I'll be honest with you, I felt like she did a very good job of explaining it. She's like

There's an acquaintance box. There's people that, and then Tamara interrupts her and she says, So am I in a different box? And she said, Well, no, everyone has their own. I have different relationships with everyone. She said, In the years past, there are things that I would say directly in her confessional. She says, To Tamara. And, you know, she would repeat them. So I know now there's certain things that I can't tell her because I just can't. So

She said, I can put like there's certain things about some people that I enjoy, and there's certain things that I don't agree with about other people. So I can enjoy the things I like about this person in this box, and then I can put the other part that I don't enjoy about the same person in another box and still be friends with this person. Because I don't have to agree with everything they do. That's basically how she was explaining it. She's like, I told you exactly how I felt at the quiet woman.

I told you that I was embarrassed. Like she did tell her that. And then Tamara, when she repeats it back, she's like, I feel like she's like reprimanding me. No, she's telling you when she doesn't like the way you've behaved. So sh right. Right. Right.

Kelli (11:52.909)
Right. But see Tamara's a narcissist, so you can't do that. You can't tell her that she's wrong or has done anything wrong. She didn't will never receive it.

Wendy (12:01.513)
No. No. No, because Heather did tell her. She gave her, you know, she said, I I said ex I said this exact thing to you. I mean, listen, this is what it comes down to is that Heather and Tam are just gonna play this game forever as long as they're on this show. It's just a game that they're gonna play. Right.

Kelli (12:05.624)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Kelli (12:16.434)
Absolutely. Absolutely. Is she really my friend? Is she really my friend? No. You're not friends. You film together three, six months out of the years. Right. Right.

Wendy (12:23.955)
No, you guys aren't really friends. That's it. That's it. You're not vacationing unless it it's being filmed. You're not hanging out. You're not right. You're not going to cocktails. You're not going on on her boat or you're not going to No, you're not. You're not that friend. Sorry, you're not that friend.

Kelli (12:31.338)
Exactly. And you're getting paid to do it.

Kelli (12:44.846)
So Shannon meets up with Carmella and she mentions the surprise birthday party for Emily and invites her. Shannon says Carmela has good energy and then Carmella says the same thing about Shannon and that they and they live near each other. So Carmela says to Shannon, My shit is messed up. She was married twelve or thirteen years. She got married when she was twenty one and she married Jeff Garcia, who was the quarterback for the Browns.

They have four kids. They married in 2007 and separated in 2020. And their kids are Presley, Jason, Jackson, Faith.

He was playing for the Browns and she'd be drinking up on the Jumbotron and a mess. Sounds like somebody I'd want to hang out with. she was working for Playboy as and and she was Playmate of the Year one year, and he was a starting quarterback. She said in the early 2000s, everyone was at the Playboy mansion. She even left a Halloween party to go to Leo Cap DiCaprio's house, but she said she didn't sleep with him, but she should have. She really should have.

Wendy (13:26.483)
Right.

Kelli (13:51.97)
This chick's got a great story. I like her.

Wendy (13:52.738)
Don't know. I d I mean I mean I like her too, but I'm I'm not a big Leo fan. I don't know. I think he's swarmy.

Kelli (14:00.343)
I mean, given the opportunity, I'm gonna see what it's all about. 'Cause he's Exactly. Yeah, I'm gonna see what that's all about. Exactly. Exactly. so now d we see Tamara and Vicky are together and Tamara tells Vicky that Heather is downplaying their friendship again, another season.

Wendy (14:04.181)
All right, yeah, I probably wouldn't kick him out of bed, let's be real.

Wendy (14:10.571)
If nothing else for bragging rights, right?

Kelli (14:26.654)
And is a people pleaser, and Vicky says Heather is a surface friend, and Vicky is correct. I may not always agree with Vicky, but I do hear. Vicki says Heather sent her a welcome text, like she's the leader of the pack, and Vicki says, 'I'm the leader of the pack.'

Wendy (14:34.283)
Yes, yes.

Wendy (14:44.907)
I love that ch I love that. I love that Vicky called it like it is. And again, Tamar's not gonna hear it. She's not gonna hear it. No.

Kelli (14:50.464)
No, she's not. Tamara thinks that she's cl the closest with Heather. Like she just wants to be the closest with Heather because Heather's fancy pants, but Heather's really not close with anybody. So like what like what's the flex there? You're the closest with the surface friend?

Wendy (15:03.883)
What's the flex? Right. And even when we saw the conversations that Heather was having with Jen, which is why Jen 'cause Heather did say to Jen, like, I don't feel like I have a buddy. Those were Heather's exact words. Which is why Jen thought that, you know, her and Tamara weren't that close if she doesn't have a buddy.

Kelli (15:17.25)
Right. Right.

Kelli (15:24.834)
Right. And listen, she could say Jem was baiting her as much as she wants. This was just you should Yeah. And she should Heather should know better by now. You're no you're no newbie. You're no rookie.

Wendy (15:26.304)
No. She was baiting Jen actually.

Wendy (15:38.357)
Right. Right.

Kelli (15:40.907)
Tamra goes into the Emily podcast story with Vicky and Vicky pretends to start snoring.

Wendy (15:46.349)
my god, that was so funny. She said, what did she say? What all some I'm hearing is wah wah wah wah.

Kelli (15:49.121)
And listen.

Yeah. And here's the thing. It's really not a big deal that Emily's podcast drops to two tees subscribers. You just don't listen to them. Like I unsubscribe to two tees because one, I couldn't take Dolores anymore. Dolores it like talks says one thing and does another. Like, sorry, Dolo. I'm not I'm not a subscriber.

Wendy (16:12.971)
She's actually I haven't heard her on it in a long time.

Kelli (16:16.684)
Yeah, I that's when I stopped. I think I forget who she was talking about, but whoever she wa whatever show they were recapping and she was talking about was it was basically she was like describing she was saying how friends should call their friends out on shit and I'm thinking, you gotta be kidding me, right? Like look in the mirror, Dolo. But anyway, Tamra says that so Vicky so

Tamra says something about Havasu and Vicky says that Don lives in the desert and she saw him. She went into a bar and she saw him and and she said, I hope you're doing good. And Vicky says she wanted to hug and kiss him and apologize for divorcing him. And she says, I didn't mean to do that. And I don't think she did. I think that fucking Brooks was so manipulative.

Wendy (16:49.252)
my gosh.

Kelli (17:10.134)
I think he just s I don't think Don and Vicky had a perfect marriage because I do remember her talking about some indiscretions on his side as well. But damn it anyway, don't we all wish that Don and Vicky were still together?

Wendy (17:23.633)
my gosh. I mean she said I I kinda pushed Mike off so I could get out and then I took Don's face and I said, I hope you're doing good and then Mike is standing there and said, Hi, I'm Vicky's boyfriend and she was just like Yeah.

Kelli (17:36.526)
yeah, that's it.

She does say Mike doesn't have to worry about her cheating on him because she did it once and it ended horribly. I I really I just feel like that fucking Brooks

Wendy (17:55.596)
I love that she was so vulnerable and that she said that. Because I feel like and you know, she's sixty three, right? She told us she's sixty three going on sixty four. You are a different person when you're forty three than you are when you're sixty three, right? You're a different person. You've lived it you've lived s well, it's twenty years of season twenty. Yes. Right? Like it's just, you know, I I like that she's back. I like that she's yeah.

Kelli (17:58.541)
Yes. I mean

Kelli (18:05.89)
Yeah.

Kelli (18:09.206)
Right. Yeah. Yeah. It was that long ago? No. well the show started that long ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (18:21.556)
I know. I miss Dawn.

Wendy (18:25.448)
Her sh that ship is sailed though.

Kelli (18:25.656)
Well, at least she's ha she's I mean, not with Carmela, 'cause I have a problem with with what she did to Carmela at the end of the episode, but she's showing some growth in that area at least, Vicky. Like she's acknowledging the fact that yes, she screwed up her marriage, like which is so interesting the the way she does treat Carmela at the end, and th this is why I take issue with it. But anyway. So now we see Carmella is with Presley and Faith, her daughters, in her house, which is beautiful.

Wendy (18:37.687)
She is she is.

Wendy (18:55.395)
my gosh, that house is amazing. Honestly, like who has a nicer house? It's in Rancho, Rancho, Santa Fe. I have no idea where that is, but I wrote it down. Rancho Santa Fe.

Kelli (18:55.499)
Kelli (18:59.114)
Yes. I don't know exactly where it is. I think they said it where it's

Yeah. So beautiful though.

Wendy (19:11.421)
Amazing, and that's not the only house she owns.

Kelli (19:14.87)
Right. Right. When she said when she asked her kids if the two hundred dollar Apple cash was enough, I think even my kids would be like, The hell But I mean, we pay for a ridiculous amount the things for my kids. I should be ashamed of myself.

Wendy (19:16.427)
I mean

Wendy (19:32.631)
Listen, Presley's gotta get her you know, girl's got knees, she's gotta get her lashes done. That's two hundred dollars a month, and she's gotta eat. Like, come on. Girls gotta eat. Or two hundred dollars a month. A hundred percent.

Kelli (19:40.685)
That I mean, Lash is alone or could be two hundred a month for sure. Yeah. She says she grew up in Ohio with strict parents, but the control was so strict she hit a point and went the other way. she snuck out and blew her engine and had to hitchhike back home because that was better than calling her mom. she gets on the phone with her ex-husband because her son is supposed to be at track and he's not.

So she calls her ex-husband and they they seem to handle the situation. Her boyfriend Danny walks in. Yeah. Well, they live together. So she said she met him when her life was falling apart. He loves her kids, so it works for her. They've been together on and off for 10 years. her son Jax comes in and debates why he wasn't at track and why.

Wendy (20:16.331)
Weird.

Wendy (20:20.608)
Right.

Kelli (20:35.958)
I swear to God, I'm like, this is like I could feel myself having this conversation with Joe. Not that he ever like just skipped practice and he played baseball and basketball, which are team sports. So this he wouldn't have a leg to stand on. Would he he was like, it's an individual sport. So yeah.

Wendy (20:46.179)
my gosh, I was dying. I was so dying when this whole conversation happened. She's like, You let your team down. Right. She's like, You let your team down, they're counting on you. And he's like, And the sisters are like, Yeah, mom, it's an individual support. And she's like, Okay, well

Kelli (21:00.334)
Totally checks out for a kid his age. Totally checks out. Emily okay, so now we're getting to Emily's party at Hamburger Mary's and we see Emily getting married and she says she's a very accomplished woman, but she's old and tired and has to go to bed at nine.

what did you think of Tamara wearing the diaper?

Wendy (21:27.177)
I thought it was freaking hysterical.

Kelli (21:29.528)
Yeah, me too. Me too.

Wendy (21:31.275)
I mean, did you see her f her fake pubes coming out too?

Kelli (21:34.568)
no. see that's one step too far for me, Tamra. But the diaper the diaper was cute.

Wendy (21:36.791)
I thought so too. That was the only thing that was the only thing I didn't like is that she had fake pubes coming out. But the diaper with the jacket and the hair, my gosh. I thought she killed it. I thought she And Vicky too.

Kelli (21:46.839)
Yes. Yes. For sure. Very cute. Vicky looked great. Heather really did look like Cruella Deville. Shannon definitely looked like a Kennedy.

Wendy (21:59.594)
I thought that Heather looked like her mother as well, to be quite honest with you. I saw a lot of her right?

Kelli (22:04.088)
Well yeah. Yeah. Yes for sure. Yeah. Heather of course has to sit down and mention that she spent a lot of money on her party and Jen ruined it.

Wendy (22:19.029)
Yes.

Kelli (22:21.582)
You Heather, you should get off reality T V if you that's gonna bother you because it didn't start out that way, but that this is where we are, girl.

Wendy (22:28.435)
I no, no. She likes to she likes to throw out the numbers and we let you know, the that's what that's what she does.

Kelli (22:34.155)
Yes, exactly.

Kelli (22:38.402)
Yeah. So we're s so Carmela starts kind of talking about her story. Carmella says she wanted a fresh start after her separation. now she does real estate and Gina is talking about how they're like in different areas, so it there's no competition or

Wendy (23:00.373)
Right. She does real estate development, whereas Gina is like she's selling residential real estate. Right.

Kelli (23:04.288)
Residential. Yeah. So Carmela says that her husband was unfaithful and she found out by seeing an iPad with a letter or something. She found kinda like

Wendy (23:15.275)
Right, that's why she got that ring, 'cause they complimented her ring.

Kelli (23:19.5)
Yes, yes, yes, yes. So they are legally separated, but they're not divorced. And Vicky asks if they live in the same house and like does he go to the house when he has the kids? Like nesting, I think they call that. And she says, No, we have another house that he lives in with his girlfriend. we don't have a custody agreement, and we all spend the holidays together. Now, to me as a ch a child, but I was a grown adult. I was my sisters and I were

Wendy (23:32.065)
Right.

Kelli (23:49.209)
Grown adults when our parents got divorced. However, we have never spent a holiday without both of our parents being there. My father wanted the divorce, my mother did not, my mother was devastated. However, was always the bigger person and always joined us for holidays, even though she was hurt by it. So as a kid an adult child from a divorced background, to always have holidays with both of your parents.

Wendy (23:56.567)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (24:18.24)
is amazing, especially when you have your own children and they can celebrate their grandparents together. and Vicky sits there and says that it sounds like a lot of dysfunction. But I don't think it's true at all. I don't think there's any dysfunction there. I think they're doing everything right.

Wendy (24:32.907)
The I think I completely agree. I completely agree. You know, and she said, you know, first of all, her kids were three, four, five, and six when this happened. Those are young children. She couldn't live without them a hundred percent of the time because California's fifty-fifty fifty-fifty custody state and she hated his guts, but at a certain point she realized that she loved her children more than she hated him. So she self sacrificed

Kelli (24:44.641)
Yeah.

Yes.

Wendy (25:02.741)
To make this work, which I a hundred percent agree with. And I thought to myself, this is the most selfless thing a mother can do. Like, this is what you do. This is what you do. And we were just talking about that with Georgina on the valley. Like she was, you know, now she's to a point where they can't do what they were doing, which was her going over and putting her children to bed every single night in her ex's place. Like she's

Kelli (25:06.913)
Absolutely.

Kelli (25:18.412)
Yes.

Kelli (25:29.986)
Yeah, that's crazy.

Wendy (25:31.807)
Scrazy, it's crazy.

Kelli (25:33.132)
Yeah. Yeah. I think I don't think there's anything dysfunctional about that. I think that having both of your parents at holidays is amazing. Going to one house with your father and his girlfriend and then going back to your mother's house with her boyfriend, as long as everyone is in healthy relationships and everyone is respectful to those children. I think that's more than you could ask for.

Wendy (25:39.221)
I don't either. I don't either.

Wendy (25:56.82)
It teaches your children about conflict and resolution and that not throwing in the towel and you know sticking things out and when you make the equip commitment, whether you're married or you're not, the commitments to the family, right? That's what it teaches your children.

Kelli (26:01.576)
Absolutely. Mm-hmm.

Kelli (26:10.924)
Right. And not talking shit about your kid's other parent because you don't get along or you don't get along with their new, you know, significant other or whatever. Not putting them in the middle of your bullshit nonsense. I mean Vicky up and left her first husband. I I believe he had an alcohol issue, I think. She up and left her first husband and moved to California and started dating Don. Like, you know, she probably didn't do everything perfectly. So I I I don't think that

Wendy (26:15.787)
Right.

Wendy (26:19.541)
Right. Right.

Wendy (26:26.145)
Right.

Wendy (26:39.575)
I mean Don isn't even her her fat the father of her children. No. Right.

Kelli (26:43.584)
No, no, Mike. Mike Gumvelson. no no no. Mike what what's their last name? something with a B, isn't it?

Wendy (26:51.927)
Cul Colbert Colbertson? Wasn't it Brienne? No, was that her married name? I don't know what their I don't know what their father's name was, to be honest with you.

Kelli (26:55.072)
I think that's Brianna's married name.

Yeah, I forget. But listen, she you know, she did that. She divorced him and she moved to California and started dating Don. Like and she knew Don. She knew Don.

Whatever. Nobody's judging you, Vicky. So stop judging other people. Personally, I think Vicky has a problem with the fact that this girl was a Playboy bunny.

Wendy (27:21.015)
definitely, definitely. Vicki is all although I like Vicky and she likes to whoop it up, she's a prude. She's a she's a conservative prude in her it is her way to be wild and that's it. Like if you have a different idea about it, it's it's and listen, I I think she's wrong. I think she's wrong. That's all. Yeah.

Kelli (27:26.988)
Yes, yes.

Yes.

Kelli (27:36.301)
Right.

Kelli (27:41.45)
I totally agree with you. Totally. So Emily finally shows up and she does look amazing. They're playing drag bingo, which is what we need to go do in Asbury Park.

Wendy (27:52.928)
Yes.

Kelli (27:54.318)
Vicky says multiple partners is not on her bingo card and never was.

And then

Wendy (28:01.483)
That was so funny. 'Cause that came out, you know, how many years ago did that come out on the ski slope? I know so funny.

Kelli (28:05.406)
so long ago. Yeah. So long ago. actually, what was I thinking about today? Jen Pedranti is kinda like the new Lori Peterson. Lori Warring Peterson, where, you know, she was like a single mom struggling and, you know, met this rich guy and now everything her and her kids do are gonna be under scrutiny 'cause, you know.

Remember poor Lori's kids. her poor son passed away. May he rest in peace.

Wendy (28:33.769)
I know, but I wonder because I know, I know, but like so we don't really hear that much of I mean, we'll see if we hear anything about Ryan this year. I mean they're still engaged, right? They're still not married.

Kelli (28:46.306)
Yeah, we haven't really seen we haven't seen him. Well, it's only two episodes. We haven't seen any of the husbands, have we? Shane.

Wendy (28:49.111)
It's only it's only episode two, but

Wendy (28:55.169)
Shane, yep, you're right. And we saw the boyfriend Danny for a split second.

Kelli (28:56.226)
Which I'm fine with. I love she.

Kelli (29:01.031)
right, right, right, right. No Terry DeBrot yet.

Wendy (29:05.577)
No terr but we saw her son, Nick, who's like a miniature Terry.

Kelli (29:07.476)
Neki. Yeah.

We saw Terry two point out.

Wendy (29:19.995)
was it Emily and her confessionalist said Vicky looks just like Thelma Harper from Mama's family? I completely agree with hers. That was so good. I don't I don't know if you notice this, but Vicky comes in with the walker, the old style walker with the tennis balls on it. And Heather Dubrow rolls in with the walker with the wheels and champagne in her basket. I was like, that is the difference. That is the difference.

Kelli (29:25.312)
Yes. She totally did.

Kelli (29:34.829)
Yes.

Kelli (29:39.779)
Yeah. That's the way to go. That's the way to do it. Yeah. So Emily gets to take the present. I guess somebody hit bingo. So Emily gets to get the present. And she says, I feel old as fuck. She gives a speech. I feel old as fuck, but I don't look old as fuck. And she she ain't lying. Gina asks the mature part of the group.

to give Emily some advice and Tamara says don't sweat the small stuff in your fifties, which is a joke because Tamra can make a big deal out of anything.

Wendy (30:17.559)
Absolutely nothing, actually. Exactly.

Kelli (30:18.574)
Anything anyone does to her, she's gonna make a big deal out of this was great. Heather says in your 50s, the thing you have to be careful of is your own brain. Your hormones change and how you handle it and how you talk to yourself is important. And that's very true. That's very true.

Wendy (30:37.717)
I agree. I thought Heather gave very good advice.

Kelli (30:40.78)
Yeah. Shannon says she looks at what she went through in her fifties and although she hates the number, she loves where she is in her sixties. And Vicky says she hates the sixties because immortality is staring her in the face. And then was it Tamara was like, Vicky's been talking about dying since I've met her.

Wendy (30:50.551)
Mm.

Wendy (31:02.271)
Right. And then they show a clip like probably twenty years ago. Or yeah.

Kelli (31:04.758)
Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Gina Gina asks Carmella if she has a boyfriend and she says she has been on and off again for ten years with Danny. they're in a rebuilding stage for trust. And Gina asks, Why a rebuilding stage? And she says, Because of infidelity. And Shannon says, That's a that's a big red flag.

Wendy (31:23.285)
That shocked me. Honestly, yes, I agree with her. I a hundred percent agree with her. And I like Carmella. I do. I like her. I do. I like I like her. I really like a lot about her. But I don't like that she doesn't have enough Right.

Kelli (31:30.254)
Yeah. I do too.

Kelli (31:37.133)
Yeah. And then Vicky says, I don't understand Carmela. And here's the thing, Vicky. You stayed with Don I'm so sorry. You stayed with Brooks for how long? Don't you dare judge this woman? Because this guy may have had an indiscretion, but duh Brooks was Dirty John. Like 100%. And if you guys have never watched Dirty John, watch it.

Wendy (31:45.889)
Brooks.

Wendy (31:52.023)
Mm.

Wendy (32:00.14)
yeah, definitely.

Kelli (32:06.73)
It's so good. It's it's Louis Ruell's Brooks vibes 100%. Carmella says, I love Danny, but she struggles over what he did. And Tamara asks, How do your close friends feel about Danny? And she says that they support her. So who said like then they're not real friends or something like that? Or they're not like us. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Wendy (32:07.255)
Mm.

Wendy (32:27.447)
Tamra. Tamra.

Kelli (32:31.534)
Jen does say to Heather it wasn't her place to tell Tamra what Heather said, and Heather says she appreciates that. and now she thinks her conversations with Jen will be twisted. Heather is totally blaming Jen for what she said about Tamara. She I think Heather's like just a backpedaler. She wants everyone to think she's too classy to talk shit about someone, and she's scared of Tamra.

One hundred percent. She wants everybody to think that she's too high class to say s you're not, because you're doing it and we're seeing it and it's on camera.

Wendy (33:03.775)
Yeah, because like I said

Wendy (33:13.815)
Right, because I mean Jen calls out Heather after she apologizes. Heather says, Well, if you know, we have a conversation, I'm gonna feel like you're gonna be twisting it. And Jen's interrupts her, by the way, and says, Well, you were talking about not having a buddy. And then we see that. And she said, You said you don't you don't feel close with Tamara. That's why Tamara comes up. That's the reason she brought Tamara up. And we wouldn't have known that if she didn't say that and it didn't show us that that's what Heather said.

And that's the thing that people don't realize. Like you like you said, Heather she's been doing this for a long time. She's been doing this for a long time. But you know what? I mean, I don't really like what Jen's doing, but I'm Jen is I'm gonna say this. Jen is a little bit smarter. She's like Jen is like a little bit one step ahead of Heather right now.

Kelli (34:01.1)
Absolutely.

Wendy (34:02.905)
And you know, I don't know.

Kelli (34:04.236)
I mean she's making Heather look like a hypocrite. And a liar. And a liar. Yep.

Wendy (34:07.541)
W and because she is a hypocrite. Yeah. And she is. And she is.

Kelli (34:14.604)
Yeah. So Emily

Wendy (34:15.177)
And Tamra's sitting there and she's like, I'm right here, like you guys are having this conversation and I'm right here and Vicky's like, No, you're invisible

Kelli (34:19.906)
Like

Yeah, totally. That was so funny. So Emily says, In the spirit of clearing the air, Tamara, this podcast thing has become an issue and you were upset that I didn't show gratitude. and then she tells her like she did what she did because iHeart asked her to do that. so she was just doing what was asked of her. And Tamra says her concern was you don't go to the Grammys and thank yourself. Okay, relax.

Relax, Tamra. This isn't the fucking Grammys. So are you Usher now, Tamara? You're Usher? Like, come on. Emily just wants to get to a place where they aren't yelling at each other. And Tamara admits that she is making money off of Emily. And Emily says, Then you should be thanking me. And she's not wrong. Yeah. Yeah. And Emily says she is grateful for the two T's.

Wendy (34:51.295)
I know really. You're compar you're comparing I know. I thought the same thing. Right. Yeah, no.

Wendy (35:09.193)
I almost died. I love when she said that. No, I love when she said that. I love when she said that.

Kelli (35:20.206)
She's saying, let's move on. And you know, she's talking to the queen of not being able to move on, but we'll see. And then Tambra does acknowledge that Emily has a good product with her podcast with Shane.

Wendy (35:33.665)
Well, that was a roundabout way 'cause she said, Well, if you don't have a good product, it's not gonna work. But you do have a good I mean, really? You had it you had to put it that way.

Kelli (35:39.011)
Right.

Right. Right. She does that for editing so that they can show her saying the one thing and leave out the next because of the long pause. Gina says this is how mature women handle things. We talk about it and have to move on because we have doctor's appointments that we have to get to. And then Tamara ends it with Emily, you've never looked better. So And that's about it. You have anything else?

Wendy (35:58.923)
Ha ha.

Wendy (36:07.711)
No, that was it. That was a good episode. No, that's all I have. Yeah, I did. I like when they I like when they do fun activities. hopefully we do not hear any more about the damn podcast because I feel like that was just put to bed, right?

Kelli (36:09.908)
It I thought it was a good episode too, quite honestly.

Kelli (36:21.014)
Right. Yes. And that's the thing, like we had some conflict, we had resolution, so now let's move on. Yes.

Wendy (36:29.067)
Let's move on. Let's move on. Let's find out what's going on with Carmella. Maybe dig a little bit into Danny, what the infidelity was about. I'm here for that. let's see what's going on with Sophia and Tamra. I wanna learn a little bit more about Michael, Vicky's boyfriend. see when Gina's planning her wedding. Does she have a date yet? like these are the things I wanna know, right? I don't wanna keep rehashing the same shit over and over again. I don't wanna do that. I don't want to do that. Please let's not do that. Yeah.

Kelli (36:41.571)
Yes.

Kelli (36:51.628)
Right. Right.

Right. Let's get to it. Let's get to it. Exactly. So thank you for listening and watching and please like, subscribe, share, comment, and five star reviews if you will. Bye.

Wendy (36:59.029)
Yeah. Yeah, so that's it.