RHOC S20 E13: Prenuvo, Persian Parties & Petty Drama

Wendy (00:01.203)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever. I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:04.311)
I'm Callie.

Lori (00:05.435)
And I'm Laurie. I don't know why I said my name so weird like that. So weird. Fuck is that?

Wendy (00:08.028)
We are talking about Re We're talking about Real Housewives of Orange County, season twenty, episode thirteen. Don't look now. But before we do, please head over to YouTube and hit subscribe and go to TikTok, Instagram, and Facebook and follow us and give us five star reviews and all the fun things. And thank you.

Kelli (00:33.262)
Thank you.

Wendy (00:35.473)
We start out with Emily, Gina, and Shannon are all talking about the party that they were at, you know, the night before where Carmela, the the luau, where they felt bad for Carmela because Vicky wasn't taking ownership in or accountability for anything that she had said about her. And they are also talking about Emily starts talking about how her and Shane aren't really getting along and she feels a disconnect. And

There's a lot of writing on the wall for this one too. I mean, you see it in this episode.

Lori (01:06.014)
Yeah.

Kelli (01:06.498)
Yeah, she's like, I don't know if he's truly happy and Dina's like, Well, are you truly happy? Like

Lori (01:11.229)
Yeah. So s Sean says sometimes she leaves and doesn't even say goodbye. Shane. That sometimes she says goodbye and doesn't even, you know. Sometimes she leaves and doesn't even say goodbye. But production is pretty showing her in a bad light. 'Cause they show clips of him clearly being unhappy. And sh she says how she feels a disconnect and she doesn't feel anything anymore. I was like, Wow.

Wendy (01:14.472)
Jane.

Kelli (01:38.722)
I know that that is not good when you're at the point where you don't feel anything. Like at least if you're still fighting, you're fighting because you still care. You're fighting for something. So you still care about something if you're still fighting for it. It's not good if you don't feel anything anymore.

Lori (01:42.683)
No, that is not good.

Yeah, that's

Lori (01:59.22)
And and every every scene with him, i I mean, does she have him like chained to that bar stool? Like every scene she's making some dumb snack and he's he's in the I don't know what's going on there.

Wendy (01:59.665)
No.

Kelli (02:15.192)
He is on that side of the counter a lot.

Lori (02:16.582)
I was on that stool.

Wendy (02:20.634)
Maybe that's where the lighting is better for him. It's not gonna stand next to her. Yep.

Lori (02:20.935)
Kelli (02:21.058)
Well he's shorter than her, so he's not gonna stand next to her. He's gonna sit on a stool. Yeah.

Lori (02:26.291)
Yeah, I don't know.

Wendy (02:29.01)
This is very true. I don't know. I mean, even at the end when he talks about the swan on the lake, he likens his relationship to her being or no, duck. He said a duck on the lake gliding through the lake, but underneath the waters the little paddling going crazy. He goes, That's me. Like I'm the one and I feel like he's right.

Kelli (02:29.069)
Yeah.

Kelli (02:45.848)
Yeah.

Lori (02:47.369)
So he's he's saying basically he's the one who keeps everything afloat so she can just walk around looking pretty. That's what he's saying. Yeah, absolutely.

Kelli (02:53.954)
Yeah. And and be a housewife, basically, and be a real housewife of Orange County.

Wendy (02:54.522)
And I think he's right. I

Wendy (02:59.952)
Yeah.

Kelli (03:01.452)
Because she has a demanding schedule right now because of filming.

Wendy (03:06.032)
Yeah, yeah. I mean listen, I think he knew what he was signing up for when he married her. I think that she's exactly who she's always been.

Kelli (03:16.47)
No, I think the ch I think the show has changed Emily a bit. I do. And they've been married a long time. They've been married longer a decent amount longer than how their how old their children are. I mean, I say a decent amount. They were probably married four or five years before they had Annabelle.

I I think the show has changed her a bit. I think they've been married 17 years, and Annabelle has to be what, 14, 15?

Wendy (03:38.64)
What does she say? How what is it, twenty? How long has she been married? How did she say?

Wendy (03:47.302)
Yeah, I think she's fourteen or fifteen, yeah.

Lori (03:47.968)
But don't you f don't you feel like her her weight loss and her new fitness stuff has changed her too?

Wendy (04:00.188)
Well, she's been up and down though on this show. This isn't the first time she's lost weight and got, you know, fit. She's done that before.

Kelli (04:06.904)
This is the longest it's been though. She's kept it off. I mean, she's on a GLP one. She had liposuction. And I thought at one point she said she works out twice a day, two hours each time.

Wendy (04:10.726)
Well, I don't know about that because last season right.

Wendy (04:21.126)
She does work out a lot. She does work out a lot. She does. But la

Lori (04:22.813)
That's a lot.

Kelli (04:25.09)
Lori and I struggle to get through forty five minutes.

Lori (04:27.124)
Yes.

Wendy (04:28.518)
But last season, remember she said she wasn't taking care of herself, she was focused on Luke. That was just last season.

Kelli (04:35.074)
Yeah, I mean listen, when you have a child, you know, we all know this, that demands more of your, you know, your health, your it just goes to the wayside. You have to focus on them. So you're eating on the go or you're not sleeping, you know. The no sleep is huge. And when your kid's going through something, you don't sleep.

Wendy (04:40.434)
Yeah.

Lori (04:44.741)
Everything, yeah. Yeah.

Lori (04:53.265)
yeah.

Wendy (04:57.51)
Yeah. Well we'll get back to them. Next we see Tamar and Vicky. They're getting the Pranuvo scans. I'll tell you what, everyone all these celebrities all talk about these Pranuo scans. Like how good they are. Twenty five hundred dollars. If you had twenty five hundred dollars, I mean it's a lot of money. Like if it's so good, why can't insurance cover it? Like why can't it cover it?

Lori (05:07.847)
If I had the dough.

Lori (05:14.567)
It's a lot of money.

Kelli (05:16.166)
It is a lot of money. I agree. Why isn't insurance covering it? Because if insurance covered it, then we'd all know we were ill and we wouldn't be able to, you know. They don't want you to know shit. But how about Vicky walking in? Do you mind if I work? Vicki, you're not curing cancer or splitting the atom. I think you can go a half hour without checking your email. Like what enough with this.

Lori (05:27.993)
They don't want you to know nothing. Stop. I don't even want to go there.

Wendy (05:32.155)
I mean

Lori (05:35.571)
Down.

Wendy (05:45.861)
Mm-hmm. But Tamra does say that she was supposed to go the year that Vic that Teddy got sick and Teddy cancelled it. So T Tamra didn't get hers either. And had she gotten it done, then Teddy probably would have found the brain tumor sooner than she did. Which, you know, that gets you really thinking, right? Like

Lori (05:46.118)
So annoying.

Kelli (05:47.35)
Mm.

Lori (06:08.083)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (06:11.704)
Well it gets me thinking, was that really a true story or did Tamra just lie?

Lori (06:11.773)
yeah.

Wendy (06:16.57)
I think it's I think it's true because I think that she's been getting these since they've been you know, they they get for free. They're not paying for

Kelli (06:23.35)
No, they're definitely not brain.

Lori (06:23.709)
Right. And and how about after the scan? How annoying was Vicky? Like she walks out and says, where's the doctor? Y you wanna give him ten minutes to read your scan? Or should he just like so annoying.

Kelli (06:31.992)
Yeah, like

Wendy (06:36.23)
Yeah. Yeah, you're right. And this is this is one where they went back and forth. So basically Tamar gets a good report on her scan. And Vicky, you know, th he's pointing out all these like white spots that there's more this year than there was last year on her brain. And she says, Well, was it because of the sepsis that she had? Now, I remember that she had sepsis, but I don't remember how she got it. Do you?

Kelli (07:04.451)
Now.

Lori (07:05.427)
No. Was it in Mexico?

Wendy (07:06.922)
it c I mean absolute it could be, to be honest with you, I don't know. but Vicky's the one who keeps saying that she's brain damaged and the the he said that you know, the doctor said I guess he was a doctor, I don't know what he was, said that it it didn't look like Alzheimer's because she was concerned 'cause her father had Alzheimer's. So she thought maybe at a young age.

Kelli (07:09.182)
Hmm. Could have been. Yep. Could've been.

Lori (07:11.311)
Yeah, yes I

Kelli (07:27.692)
At a very young age.

Lori (07:29.853)
Well, I saw a social media post that said that on the after show Vicky said she's had several brain surgeries. So I don't know if that's true. I was like and I didn't r I never got a chance to look it up. Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (07:43.612)
I didn't

Kelli (07:45.72)
That's odd. We'll have to I'll have to watch the after show.

Wendy (07:49.254)
Yeah, I didn't watch I haven't watched the after I didn't even know there was one for the O C to be honest with you.

Kelli (07:53.43)
Yeah, there is, yeah. And there's one for Salt Lake.

Lori (07:54.051)
maybe somebody made it up, like I said, I didn't I didn't get a chance to verify it.

Wendy (07:57.761)
there is?

Kelli (07:59.555)
I haven't watched any of but

Wendy (08:02.394)
All right. So we also see Terry's talking to his mom on the phone and she doesn't like the new place that she's living in, and he gets off the phone with her and you could see he's really upset and he's telling Heather that, you know, she's ninety two with Alzheimer's and, you know, at least she knows who I am, which I agree with him about that. And I'm sure it's hard for him. I mean, he's trying to do the best that he can do for her. And at ninety two, like, God bless, you know?

Kelli (08:17.901)
Yeah.

Kelli (08:23.245)
Yeah.

Kelli (08:28.067)
Yeah.

Lori (08:28.243)
And how about how about if we go back one second to Vicky when they're getting that scan? Vicky she's so delusional saying she doesn't like the comments that Carmella made about her.

Kelli (08:41.314)
Yeah. And she's trying to spin it and make it like it's a good thing that I said Danny's raising her children.

Lori (08:44.361)
Like like it's a compliment. Yeah, and and she's saying and she's saying that, you know, I'm sure she says, I'm sure Carmella didn't like what I said about her, but I didn't say it to her face. So yeah, like what what are you doing?

Wendy (08:47.76)
Right.

Kelli (08:57.558)
that's

Wendy (09:02.192)
Yeah. Yeah, she's

Lori (09:03.217)
And she's acting like everybody's picking on her 'cause Tamara was trying to tell her, Well, you know, hey, listen, like just kinda watch what you say and she now you're picking on me, like it no one can say anything to her 'cause then all of a sudden it's everybody picking on her. But I just thought that was like crazy town, like like total like gaslighting. I was like, you stop being a weirdo.

Kelli (09:12.716)
Right. Right.

Kelli (09:20.13)
That's a true narcissist.

Kelli (09:26.125)
Yeah.

Worst housewife comeback ever.

Wendy (09:28.656)
Well, I'll be honest with you. Vicky and Tamara have a very weird relationship and it's been for a long time. And like Vicky said, yes.

Kelli (09:34.734)
Mm-hmm.

Because it's surfaced it's surfaced. There's nothing deep about it. They're not really friends. Tamra's nobody's friend.

Wendy (09:43.527)
I mean

I agree with you. I mean, even Vicki, she said Vicki and Tamar both in this episode said, I love her like a sister. I mean, and Tamar even went so far as to say, is she a good person? No. You say that about somebody in a confessional. I love her like a sister, but is she a good person? Right. Right, right.

Lori (09:56.649)
Right.

Kelli (09:59.639)
And and it's the pot coal and the kettle black. Tamra's the worst person ever. And we learn that at the end where she ik i invites Alexis and John to that party and doesn't tell Shannon and says, I don't have any obligation to give Shannon a heads up. Yes the fuck you do.

Lori (10:12.969)
Mm-hmm.

Say heads up, right. Yeah, you do. Yeah, so basically Vicky is now totally lying. Another this is a whole nother cast that fell and hit their head. And saying that she said that Danny was helping Carmella raise the kids. No, you said he was raising the kids is two totally different things. So stop lying.

Kelli (10:37.794)
Yep, totally spun it. Totally spun it.

Wendy (10:40.208)
Right. Right. That's what yeah.

Lori (10:42.055)
And then she and then the w the whole weird thing when she was talking to the doctor about her dad and how he had Alzheimer's and he got it early and it was from stress and like he couldn't slow down and so like okay, so you're telling us that you're your dad, you wanna be your dad, and you're just doing like a self fulfilling prophecy about yourself. Like it's bizarre, it's weird.

Like what are you what are you even talking about? Did you guys catch that when she was saying that?

Kelli (11:14.574)
Cousin Gina's mom got Alzheimer's in her fifties. It was very sad. Yeah. Aunt cousin Gina's mom died very, very young Aunt Gracie. Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (11:18.428)
she did? In her fifties, that's young.

Lori (11:25.769)
But it was just it was just odd. It's like w like, do you not hear yourself? So you're doing exactly the same things that your dad did.

I just don't understand.

Kelli (11:39.414)
It's the worst housewife comeback in the history of Housewives. So sh she can say she started this franchise twenty years ago, but she can also say she had a terrible comeback in the twentieth year season.

Wendy (11:43.998)
I have to agree with that.

Wendy (11:54.554)
And she ruined the girls' trip as well.

Kelli (11:56.239)
ruined the girl's trip. Although I'm gonna n it kinda shifted from her to Luann, but yeah. But she started it.

Lori (11:57.534)
ruined it.

Wendy (12:01.968)
Her to Luane, right. Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (12:07.398)
Yeah, that's true.

Lori (12:07.657)
But that whole scene with Terry and Heather I thought was really cool. I like how Heather was talking about like our generation being like the sandwich generation. I think that's something that's really cool to talk about. And I thought it was funny how Terry said that they were moldy sandwiches. I thought that was very funny. And then when Heather asked him, she said, Well, you know, is there anything 'cause his mother has Alzheimer's, is there anything that you

Kelli (12:18.392)
The sandwich, yeah.

Lori (12:37.255)
really wanna, you know, clear up with your mom or to have a conversation about. And Terry's good 'cause he just like tossed that ball right back to Heather. Didn't answer and was like, well maybe you could talk to your mom about

Kelli (12:50.956)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Wendy (12:52.568)
Listen, I mean, his mother is Alzheimer's. There's no conversation he's gonna have that's gonna be a a meaningful conversation, right? But i you're right, he did throw it back to Heather and she dis her mu her mother she could have the conversation with. And she she probably should, you know?

Lori (12:58.136)
Right, right, right, right.

Lori (13:05.865)
Right.

Yeah and

Kelli (13:09.088)
I did enjoy this scene though between them.

Lori (13:11.431)
Yeah, Heather talks about Yeah, I thought it was very real too. Genuine, yes. Yes, I thought so too.

Wendy (13:11.792)
I thought it was real. I know y yeah, I I know you think she's an actress.

Kelli (13:13.932)
No, I I agree with you. I thought it was a genuine conversation between the two of them.

Wendy (13:21.104)
I mean when Heather said that she never thought she was smart until she met Terry because her her family said that, you know, she was the talented one and her sister was the smart one. Like you think about that. Like it's crazy, but when you see her mother and you meet her mother, you could see you could see it. You could see who as soon as we met Heather's mother for the first time many seasons ago, we're like, well this explains a lot.

Lori (13:25.79)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (13:46.658)
Yep. At that dinner in New York.

Lori (13:46.898)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, she said her her her parents were hard working and they were good parents, but they were not emotionally available. And this I also thought was awesome when Heather said there's a theory that you marry your unfinished business. And then that's where she talks about the smart and you know being labeled and she tells Terry that they, you know, they repaired each other, that Terry grew up with no dad.

Wendy (14:02.299)
Yeah.

Wendy (14:14.386)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (14:16.409)
And met Heather and she taught him family. She says, I gave you family. And then I thought it was nice because she corrects herself and said she said, I gave us family.

Wendy (14:26.214)
Yeah. Yeah. I I totally agree. I agree. I liked it. I liked every part of it to be honest with you.

Kelli (14:27.062)
Yeah, no, it was a nice scene. Thank God.

Kelli (14:32.908)
It only took until episode thirteen of how many seasons Heather's been on. No, we've we've had some moments, especially with her kids. I mean, I I have seen good moments with her with her children. But this was a nice one. This was a nice scene to watch.

Lori (14:38.438)
Right. To get something.

Wendy (14:38.683)
Yeah.

Wendy (14:46.097)
Yeah.

Lori (14:47.495)
And the d the difference between the depth of this and the shallow vapidness of Salt Lake was just like astounding. I was like, okay. to in your real life. Like I yeah, I like to see the wealth and everything, but I do like when they discuss

Kelli (14:55.82)
Yes.

Wendy (15:03.642)
Right. Real. Right. Real stuff.

Kelli (15:06.412)
Right. In your real life.

Lori (15:15.441)
real topics that other people go through.

Wendy (15:19.77)
I agree. the next thing we see is Shane's parents' Persian party. First of all, that

Lori (15:27.643)
I thought I thought it was a Carmela's house when I first looked at it. Like when they sh when no, but when they showed the outside shot of the property, they have that it had the same look.

Kelli (15:31.734)
Their house is amazing, Shane's parents. Right, because they all have that hill.

Wendy (15:40.679)
They're that party was amazing. The food was stunning. I mean they had a swan made out of butter. I mean just every detail. The the lady in the red dresses, the red carpet, the lady in the diamond pouring champagne, like the I thought it was so cool.

Lori (15:51.71)
Mm-hmm. I thought that was weird. I thought that was weird. I thought it was weird. I thought it was weird. But you know what I thought was even weirder? And this is a thing, because I've never this is my first time watching and I've never met his family. But I thought the whole scene when they come into the house was really bizarre. Like the mom says, welcome to our home. I was like, Okay.

Kelli (15:57.795)
me too.

Lori (16:22.143)
Like she's never been there and then the father telling Emily, she looks tall like no shit, like d what you never saw before. It was just I thought it was just weird.

Kelli (16:33.058)
They probably filmed that entrance fifteen times.

Wendy (16:38.13)
They probably did.

Lori (16:39.165)
I guess. I don't know, it's just I thought it was just weird. It was weird.

Kelli (16:39.586)
The producers are probably like, Let's do that again. Let's do that again. Mm-hmm. I love Sheen's parents. I love when they're on the show.

Wendy (16:46.268)
Well, I think I do too. I do too. I think that they're real. but it's just so odd that Shane is their son because he didn't grow up I mean, he he's a Mormon. He didn't grow up Mormon. He became a Mormon on his own. Like Emily said, like his mother's from Tehran. Like this is like what they do. Like this is her culture. And you don't s

Kelli (16:51.31)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (17:12.472)
What h his father's background is?

Wendy (17:15.364)
I don't know, but you don't see any of that in Shane. Like he doesn't resemble anything that they resemble in as far as upbringing and culture and any of it. Like it it just doesn't add up. You know what I'm saying? I don't know. And she's so tiny. my gosh, she is so tiny. So tiny.

Lori (17:21.885)
Yeah.

Kelli (17:26.06)
Yeah.

Kelli (17:34.04)
His mom is so tiny.

Wendy (17:38.994)
but there was I mean, listen, it it was a beautiful party. Heather brought her mother, so we got to see Carol. and Carmella brought her daughter and I thought it was cute when Carol was sitting next to Carmella's daughter and she said to her, Are you did you get a job yet? And she's like, No, I'm not old enough to get a job.

Kelli (17:39.011)
Yeah.

Lori (17:56.457)
Yeah.

Kelli (17:57.233)
yes you are. I've been working since I'm thirteen, but whatever. I love when Heather's like, I I apologize. I have no idea what my mother's gonna say to your daughter.

Wendy (17:59.695)
Yeah. but

Wendy (18:06.929)
Yeah.

Lori (18:07.207)
I think I think any kid at Carmela's is just fine. But I loved how Carmela said that there would be no wrestling match tonight.

Kelli (18:10.412)
Yeah, yeah, that's true.

Wendy (18:11.285)
my gosh.

Wendy (18:16.9)
That's right. it's see, let's see. So then

Kelli (18:16.972)
Yeah.

Wendy (18:29.328)
I guess Vicky's there, and we find out that she's upset with Tamara from Gina and Emily because she told people that Vicki was brain damaged. Now, and Heather's there too. Now, Tamara starts to tell Heather this, and Gina says, No, like this is Vicki's story to tell. And then she admits, Tamara says, Well, I did say that jokingly that she was brain damaged, but I don't

Lori (18:51.807)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (18:57.658)
really think she's brain damaged. What? Like

Kelli (19:01.89)
Right. Then why'd you say it?

Wendy (19:05.542)
Then why'd you say it? And then Emily goes on to tell her. Vicki's no, Tamara says, Well, I tell Vicki, because Carmela's there too, I tell Vicki when, you know, she's doing something that's wrong, meaning the whole Carmella situation. And Emily's like, That's funny because she said that you were in a toxic relationship. You and her were toxic. I was like, and then they show it, like that's really what happened.

Kelli (19:29.942)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (19:31.952)
And this is another one. When they call her they you know, she calls her out on it, she's like, Well, I didn't say that. the Yeah.

Kelli (19:37.204)
Tamra's the worst. Tamara will never admit saying anything wrong. Right. Right.

Wendy (19:42.982)
Vicky too. Vicki said I didn't say that. Those girls those girls they both neither one of them and even like I said, even in her confessional, she said, I love her like a sister, but is she a good person? No.

Lori (19:55.082)
So I looked up I put in Vicki Gumvelson brain surgeries. So Vicky Gumvelson said she had eight brain surgeries during an episode of the after show, though she was actually describing intensive procedures related to a severe long standing ear condition. So she's just

Wendy (20:01.158)
Okay.

Kelli (20:17.782)
Okay, my mother had brain surgery. They cut her skull open from her forehead and wrapped behind her ear and literally opened up her skull. So shut up, Vicky.

Lori (20:22.622)
Yeah.

Lori (20:29.799)
Right. So it says she had surgery at age five to remove a benign inner ear tumor and at by age twenty five she had to undergo five more surgeries and lost hearing in her right ear.

Kelli (20:37.538)
Well that they might have had to cut her open, no?

Kelli (20:46.658)
Maybe they did have to I stand corrected, maybe. They might have had to because s the surgeries now are so different than what they would have been back then. Maybe they did have to open her up the same way. I'm sorry. I I apologize 'cause maybe they did.

Wendy (20:46.694)
Well that's a whole lot

Yeah.

Lori (20:58.949)
It says, it says Vicky later clarified that her treatments involved mastoid cavity procedures, a cole implant, and cadaver eardrum. The original tumor had historically grown through her skull and pushed near the right side of her brain, which explains her framing of the surgeries. so that's not good. here, so

Kelli (21:25.292)
No, that's not good. Sorry.

Lori (21:27.855)
In august twenty four, Vicky suffered a near death infection that mimicked a stroke and caused temporary amnesia.

Kelli (21:36.28)
That was the sepsis?

Wendy (21:36.516)
Maybe.

Lori (21:38.055)
Yeah. So I don't know. So I guess she does have some pretty serious health issues going on. But why you know what you have ha serious health issues going on. Don't get a brain scan on T V.

Wendy (21:43.964)
Health issues.

Kelli (21:45.336)
Sorry, my bad.

Wendy (21:47.024)
Yeah.

Wendy (21:53.426)
Right.

Kelli (21:53.729)
Right. Right. Right. Damn rat.

Lori (21:55.302)
Don't get it with Tamra. Like what are you doing? Like you can't yeah, you can't be all like, I'm so upset I didn't want anybody to know. Well then what are you doing?

Wendy (21:57.639)
Yeah.

Wendy (22:10.186)
it's crazy. The whole relationship they have is crazy. I like that Carol, Heather's mom, Carol, she's talking to her and she asks her about doing an art show in LA because she's done all these art shows all over the place. And I think that that's gonna be a good episode. I would love to see Heather's mom's art, right? and then they start talking. Go ahead.

Kelli (22:21.955)
Yeah.

Kelli (22:28.462)
Totally agree. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah.

Lori (22:28.489)
Yeah, that'll be fun.

Lori (22:34.269)
And how about how about Carmela putting the monster drink in the plant? Girl, you just Girl, you oughta s yeah, you stop you ought stop drinking the monster. But it but who goes to a formal function with a monster drink clutched under their arm?

Kelli (22:40.066)
Somebody else said that. I didn't even notice.

Wendy (22:40.219)
my gosh. Yeah. Yeah, she did.

Kelli (22:47.608)
That's trashy.

Kelli (22:52.878)
Well putting it in a plant is just a trashy move. I'm not saying Carmella is trashy, I'm just saying that's a trashy move. You know, find a garbage. It's a party at a beautiful home.

Wendy (22:53.426)
Carmella does. That's who does it. Carmella.

Lori (22:57.501)
Like there's No, but it's a trashy move. Yeah, like what do you do? Find a garbage. It's a party. I mean, maybe they did it just to like be kooky and funny, but stop with the monster. And then later on in the episode when they say they're gonna want a trip, she's in her confessional saying, I have you know, I'm struggling with my diabetes. Maybe stop drinking the monster. It's not good for you.

Wendy (23:00.658)
Yeah.

Kelli (23:21.002)
I honestly remember the scene with the cupcakes and the pizza? Two things you shouldn't be eating when you're on when you have diabetes?

Wendy (23:21.511)
Mm.

Lori (23:25.811)
Yeah No

Kelli (23:31.372)
That that whole diabetes thing with her is very weird. Like get your diet in check. What are you doing? You'd rather shoot yourself up with something than eat healthier?

Wendy (23:32.209)
Yeah.

Lori (23:42.129)
Yeah, I don't get it. And how about Vicky? Vicki when they're going to get something to eat at the party and she's bitching that there's no like name tags on the food. Stop it.

Kelli (23:43.79)
That's not very smart.

Wendy (23:49.541)
Labels.

Wendy (23:55.475)
So then they're talking about travel and then all of a sudden it comes up that Tamara and Vicky were talking about going to Japan to Japan and Tokyo, so now they're all going to Japan. Okay, that was kind of a weird segue. I don't know how that wound up happening.

Kelli (24:12.622)
Very weird. Excuse me, very, very weird.

Lori (24:15.795)
Well, it's because they just somebody d production dropped the ball on that one. They're like, shit, we gotta get the trip in somehow. Let's

Kelli (24:20.79)
Right. Yep.

Wendy (24:25.158)
Yeah.

Lori (24:25.203)
Do blah blah blah.

Wendy (24:28.402)
So the next thing we see is we're at Carmela's client's house and she has Jen coming over because she's gonna show her like how she does a project. And I don't really know that she shoot showed her. Like she showed up at the house and she walked her through the house, but I think this was more of a scene. Yeah, it was more of a scene for Carmela to tell us why she got her license and you know, that her her mom was a builder and she didn't want to be a builder.

Kelli (24:45.602)
That's about it.

Lori (24:56.231)
Mom is a builder, right. Right.

Wendy (24:58.35)
And for Jen to tell us that, you know, sh her and Ryan, she always thinks like the worst is gonna happen and she's think you know, always planning like her next exit with her kids. And so she needs something that she can call her own and you know, I think that's okay, we're back there. Okay.

Lori (25:09.235)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (25:14.557)
Now back at the party

We're back there. But Vicky bends over to get something and farts. Do you think she really farted? Or do you think you're trying to be

Kelli (25:25.856)
No, she didn't start. Somebody made the noise. Who was it, Shannon?

Wendy (25:26.136)
No no sh some no sh no Vicky made the noise and Vicky said she does that because her brother does that. That's a family thing.

Lori (25:34.363)
I was like, my god, she really parted on T V Okay, okay. All right, all right. I'm glad the farts cleared up. Okay, good. All right, we can we can move on now. So sorry. We can get out of the party now.

Kelli (25:35.832)
That's right.

Kelli (25:41.064)
No. Yeah.

Wendy (25:41.358)
No, she just makes the noise. 'Cause her brother does that. The whole family does that. Okay, so can we get out of the party now? Okay. Good cause we got another party to go to at the end.

Kelli (25:46.446)
Yeah.

Kelli (25:55.959)
I know. I was just thinking that in my head. I'm like, 'cause I'm thinking, wait, that wait, where was that? There's two parties in this in this episode. There this was a jam packed episode for sure. That's why I got through half of it and I like, All right, I'm gonna finish this tomorrow after work 'cause there was just so much.

Lori (25:56.712)
Right.

Wendy (26:02.948)
I know, there's two parties. There's a lot going on in this episode. There really was, to be honest with you. Yeah.

Lori (26:08.988)
Yeah.

Lori (26:13.151)
Yeah, it's a lot going on here.

Wendy (26:14.084)
Yeah. Yeah. So I we explained the Carmella scene with Jen. They just wanted to talk about them themselves. the next thing we we see is Shane and Yes, in a nice house. Shane and Emily. they're talking about the after party. Like after the party, did Shane go back and help his mom clean up? And he's like, Yeah, did you? Like he knew she didn't. And then she shows us all the text messages from Luke.

Lori (26:21.011)
Yes.

Kelli (26:22.382)
In a nice house.

Lori (26:24.713)
Yeah, and ISA.

Wendy (26:39.036)
that she realized after she left the party and Shane left the party because of the duck. Like he's the one who took the kids back home and sh you know, I see w

Lori (26:47.689)
But this is the thing. You you know your kid has a problem. Okay. Emily, why do you have your phone off? And you you came home and the kid had a crying fit. Well, maybe because he has such an issue, if you would have answered some of his texts and been like, you know, mom will be home soon, but talked him down from the ledge. Like, don't be like,

Kelli (27:09.836)
Yep.

Lori (27:14.535)
flabbergasted that you come home and he's all jacked up crying. Why didn't you aunt like stuff like that? I'm like, what what are you what are you doing? Like are you checked out?

Kelli (27:23.982)
She really might have to take a break from this show. She r like for the sake of her kids' mental health. Because I agree with you. I my phone would have been glued to my hip and I would have either tried to talk them down via text or go in the other room and just give them a call. And listen, I know everybody and everybody deserves a night out. But like I said before, she's filming a lot right now.

Lori (27:40.701)
Right, just do something, whatever you gotta do.

Kelli (27:51.171)
So her schedule is very demanding right now because of filming. You can't always be like you can't always put him on the I'm not saying she's putting him on the back burner, but your phone should be on. You're filming a lot. If you gotta take a break from this party, take a break from the party. She she really might have to take a break from this show.

Lori (28:11.187)
Right.

Lori (28:15.761)
And why did why did sh Shane have to go back? His parents have all that dough. I'm sure they had a whole cleanup company. So that didn't make no sense either. Yeah, I was like, What are you talking about?

Wendy (28:23.11)
Yeah, I thought that was a little odd too.

Kelli (28:24.174)
Y I agree with you. Cause he said he left to bring the kids home, which makes sense. Somebody's gotta bring them home. But I agree with you. Why wasn't there I'm sure there was a cleanup.

Lori (28:36.551)
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Wendy (28:37.168)
Yeah. Yeah. There's no way that Shane was cleaning that up. There's no way.

Lori (28:43.997)
And listen, what do you want the guy to do? Somebody's gotta stay home with the kid. Like why you what do you why you keep saying giving him a hard time?

Wendy (28:56.498)
Well, even if she's asking him, she's like, Listen, we have this party to go through to to at Tamra's and it's a couple's party and he's like, Well, what do you want me to say? Like, what y you want me to go? Like you know.

Lori (28:56.605)
Like somebody's gotta do it.

Kelli (29:09.718)
And she's like, Well, you said the other day you feel like you have no life. Well, he probably does feel like he has no life.

Wendy (29:15.662)
Right. And going to this couple's party with you to film isn't really the life I want, right? I mean

Kelli (29:21.26)
And it's not a priority for him right now. If one of them has to be with Luke and he just went to his parents' party with you, he might have to sit this one out.

Lori (29:21.513)
Right, yeah.

Wendy (29:26.108)
Right.

Lori (29:29.961)
Right.

Yeah, because I'm sure they have very limited time where they can just do something themselves and I'm sure he doesn't want to spend that limited time at your stupid job.

Wendy (29:33.531)
Yeah.

Kelli (29:44.503)
Right. And you know, he clearly just wants some acknowledgement from her. Really, I think I think with most men, acknowledgement, appreciate you know, listen, i you know, they're very simple creatures. They they want a big pat on the back, you give them one and and and and it's all good. But he is the primary caretaker right now.

Wendy (29:49.926)
Well he said that. He said that. Yeah. They like to be stroked. Yeah. They l mm.

Wendy (29:59.741)
They really are.

Lori (29:59.776)
But listen, it's but it's not even

Right. But it's not even necessarily right, but it's not even necessarily a guy thing. Like if you're a stay at home mom, there's nothing wrong with your husband saying you once in a while, you know, like I I know that you're not working and you're working in the house like I really appreci you know what I mean? Like there's th it's a it's a two way thing. It's but I know stay at home moms can feel that way too. It's like

Kelli (30:27.064)
Yeah.

Lori (30:33.703)
You run ragged all day and everybody thinks that you don't work.

Wendy (30:40.486)
Lake Meredith on Salt Lake Taking care of the kids Yeah

Lori (30:42.175)
Larry.

Kelli (30:42.958)
Yeah.

Right. Right. Until they're forty.

Lori (30:50.057)
Until they're forty. Tell them when to send an email.

Kelli (30:55.048)
I can't believe Tamra's party was at Elizabeth Vargas's house.

Wendy (30:58.79)
Vargas's house. I know. I was surprised to see that too. And my gosh, the cast of characters that showed up? I don't know.

Kelli (31:05.762)
I mean, other than Alexis, I was so happy.

Wendy (31:10.182)
remember Quinn. I don't remember her.

Kelli (31:11.47)
Quinn was great. I think she was season three. I'll go I have to go back. People thought she was so boring, but I thought she was great.

Wendy (31:14.95)
Was she? I don't remember her.

Wendy (31:26.032)
What did she do? Like what was her story?

Kelli (31:27.648)
She just she was single. She was, I believe, divorced and you know, she was like dating two guys and I think that's where I learned that it's actually pronounced bruschetta and not bruschetta from one of the men she dated. But yeah, she was just cool. She was like a little like a little like witchy poo. You know, she had that kind of vibe to her. She was different, which was nice.

Wendy (31:34.299)
Wendy (31:40.582)
okay.

Wendy (31:48.953)
okay. Yeah.

Wendy (31:55.505)
Yeah. Yeah, so who was there? Tammy Knickerbacher, Gina Keo, Quinn, Jane Lynn Curtain, Lizzie, Joe,

Kelli (32:04.44)
Joe Link Curtain. I loved Lizzie. I was a big fan of Lizzie. And Fernanda. No, because they were horrible to her. Tamra's ho Tamara was horrible to her.

Wendy (32:12.06)
She didn't last long.

Wendy (32:19.666)
Bronwyn was there, Bronwyn Burke from OC. I was surpr I know that they're friends, but it's weird to see her. And we met her wife.

Kelli (32:26.464)
So weird. So weird.

Lori (32:28.777)
But Tamra kept screaming like every time someone would come, I was like, my god, you're not twelve and seeing your best friend. Every time somebody came

Kelli (32:37.526)
She's brittle.

Mm-hmm.

Lori (32:42.61)
Yeah.

Wendy (32:43.014)
So we've Terry and Heather are, you know, driving to the party and Heather tells Terry that she heard that Alexis and John are gonna be there. And like Terry asks, like, does Shannon know? And she's like, I don't think so. And you know, Heather's rightfully concerned for Shannon. And I like what

Kelli (33:02.058)
Mm-hmm. It's one thing if just Alexis is there, but if this is a couples thing and it's gonna be Alexis and John, one hundred percent Tamara she's such a phony baloney though, Tamra. One hundred percent she should have told Shannon they're coming.

Lori (33:19.453)
And of course and it and as soon as they come, Terra's like, Mrs. Jensen

Wendy (33:19.579)
I totally agree.

Kelli (33:24.82)
Exactly. That's that's what an asshole Tamra is. That's ex that proves it right there when she said that.

Lori (33:27.817)
Say? Mm-hmm. Mrs Jensen. Right. You didn't have to say that.

Wendy (33:30.011)
Mm.

Wendy (33:35.277)
No. I like that Carmela said I'm loyal to the end of time. I've got Shannon's back and we've got a drop kick, an old housewife. I'm down. I was like, Okay. Carmela's got your back, Shannon. And I actually like that everyone had her back, to be honest with you. Like Heather did too. And then Heather comes running back, like she's got, you know, news for them that she got snubbed by Alexis.

Kelli (33:43.117)
Yeah.

Kelli (33:49.816)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (34:00.265)
You know, what in the production was that? 'Cause production what production, what are you doing? Because you you see her, you see Bellino, and she looks like she's just ignoring Heather. And then Yeah, and then the and then she says, no, I saw you and did kiss, kiss and waved. And they show her doing kiss, kiss and wave Like what are you what are you doing? I don't feel like

Wendy (34:03.826)
I don't know.

I don't know.

Kelli (34:15.63)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (34:15.932)
She did. I thought it looked like she was snubbed. Yeah.

Lori (34:30.705)
I don't feel like Heather would make something like that up, but I don't know.

Wendy (34:33.892)
No, I don't think she would either.

Kelli (34:34.538)
No, I think Heather's too smart. They're on camera. The camera's always there. Heather's too smart for that. These other dumbasses forget and try to lie. Heather's too smart for that.

Wendy (34:44.4)
Yeah. She didn't make it up.

Lori (34:45.727)
So it just seemed like that Bellino person just wanted her five seconds of fame and I don't think she gave a shit about what Heather said or did. She just wanted to cause a scene so that cameras would follow her. I was like, Girl, you are like Sahara Desert Thirsty.

Kelli (34:47.5)
She must have been doing kiss kiss to somebody else, probably Tamara.

That's it.

Kelli (35:08.202)
She really is, and that is the whole thing even John Jansen, the biggest douchebag in the world, he sees Alexis, she's like, I'm leaving and she walks out and he just stands there with his drink 'cause he knows damn well she's not leaving because she's gonna throw a big old scene. She's horrible, Alexis. Horrible.

Lori (35:09.757)
And I don't even know her.

Lori (35:24.539)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. That's exactly what it was.

Wendy (35:32.582)
And then Shannon brings up every trash can needs a lid and I think John Jansen found his Emily Simpson quote from the reunion. I love that one. I love that one.

Kelli (35:38.99)
Mm-hmm.

Mm. It's great. And you know, Tamra was Tamra did all of this.

Lori (35:41.737)
That's a good one. That's a good one. I like that.

Wendy (35:49.554)
she definitely did.

Kelli (35:50.403)
Because she she ran right back out to Alexis and was like, Did you snub Heather? Because when He when Heather went back to tell the girls, see Heather had her number. Heather went back to tell the girls, she's like, Alexis is Alexis didn't, you know, talk to me or what she made a face, she snubbed me, whatever but she said, But she's looking for her moment and I'm not giving it to her. Something like that. Basically, she said something like that. And there goes Tamara.

Lori (35:55.763)
Yeah.

Lori (36:12.317)
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

But Tamara was sure giving it to her.

Wendy (36:15.73)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (36:17.804)
Yep, Tamra's gonna give her all the camera time she wants.

Lori (36:22.143)
Yeah, it was weird.

Wendy (36:22.232)
Emily said to Heather when she came back, Do you want me to beat her up? And Heather said, Yes and and Emily's like, Okay, well get me more alcohol I'm like, Okay, Emily

Kelli (36:29.368)
Ha ha ha.

Lori (36:31.281)
It was very contrived is what it was.

Kelli (36:33.474)
Yeah. And then like Heather goes out to I feel like I feel like Heather should have stood her ground and been like, I am absolutely not going out there to talk to her. This is stupid. Let her leave. Cause Tamara was trying to get her to go out and then she does, but

Lori (36:45.427)
Right. That's what she should have done.

Lori (36:52.455)
Right, she gave it to her. She should not have.

Kelli (36:54.966)
And she says, why is this going to DEF CON one?

Wendy (36:55.526)
I

Yep. It's true. She's right. Like it's stupid. This whole thing is stupid. But it's all Tamara.

Kelli (37:01.229)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (37:06.934)
It's all Tamara and Alexis needing her moment. But the good the only good thing I thought was at least Shannon doesn't have to worry about like dealing with them because they're having this thing with Heather.

Lori (37:21.309)
Right. If daily

Wendy (37:21.466)
I thought so too.

And I also loved Shannon's attitude about the whole thing. Like sh when she found out she was okay with it. And I think she was okay with it. I think she's at a place where she's okay with it. And I think that's good. 'Cause I am Team Shannon. I am Team Shannon. Yeah.

Lori (37:27.581)
Yeah, she was good.

Kelli (37:34.574)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Lori (37:35.913)
Yeah, the two of them the two of them deserve each other, right?

Kelli (37:39.574)
I mean when it comes to Alexis and douchebag John, one hundred percent Team Shannon. And if you're not, even if you don't like Shannon, you have to be Team Shannon in this situation. Because those two are gross.

Wendy (37:55.399)
Yeah. I no I agree. I totally agree. The only other person she could have invited that would have really rocked this party would have been Katie Gianello.

Kelli (38:04.558)
Imagine. Jim would have been like

Wendy (38:11.346)
Ha ha

Kelli (38:14.754)
The trader Jen. Man, she flipped on her like nobody's business. Jen was like, Who's staying on the show? 'Cause that's gonna determine where my loyalty lies.

Wendy (38:16.892)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Wendy (38:27.26)
Yeah.

Kelli (38:31.242)
She really doesn't bring a lot to the table, Jen. I'm surprised they've kept her this long.

Wendy (38:36.27)
I she is very pretty though. She's

Kelli (38:38.018)
She's very pretty and Ryan i there's just something about Ryan that's I don't know if interesting's the word intriguing.

Lori (38:38.653)
Very pretty.

Wendy (38:48.4)
Yes, I think that's the word intriguing. I mean, did you see his tuxedo?

Kelli (38:50.572)
Yeah. Yes, and it looked like a costume.

Lori (38:55.625)
Yeah.

Wendy (38:55.652)
It did. It looked like a seventies costume. I th I said to myself, What is this? The seventies? Like what is going on?

Kelli (38:57.038)
Yeah.

Lori (39:02.205)
Maybe it was to match the girl's house who hosted the party.

Kelli (39:06.124)
Yes. And we met her fiance, which my first question is, are they having sex? Because she did not have sex with her last fiance, supposedly, on the show.

Wendy (39:07.351)
yes, Elizabeth Vargas.

Wendy (39:17.006)
Yes. I I yeah, that yeah. That's an interesting couple.

Kelli (39:22.27)
Exactly. But she looked great. They all looked great.

Wendy (39:26.928)
Yeah, they did. They did look good. I agree with that.

Kelli (39:29.888)
I love Tammy Knickerbacher.

Wendy (39:33.382)
Yeah. I mean it was good to see Gina actually 'cause I guess they've you know, she's she's got all this health issues right now. I don't even know what the latest is. Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (39:37.112)
Yes.

They must have filmed that before she was diagnosed.

Wendy (39:47.334)
So that's it for this episode. again, we're at episode thirteen. We still have to go to Japan.

Lori (39:50.259)
That's enough.

Kelli (39:53.454)
You kept wanting to go back to the party.

Lori (39:55.485)
I know, well.

Kelli (39:57.407)
I'm only kidding. That was just so funny when Wendy said that. I know. I love how intrigued you are in these shows. Now we brought you right down that rabbit hole.

Lori (39:59.07)
Inquiring minds want to know certain things.

Wendy (40:07.314)
Yeah.

Lori (40:07.519)
Well don't get too no, don't get too get ahead of yourself there, Kel.

Wendy (40:11.664)
Wait, did you catch Heather making the bartender remake the Espresso Martini?

Lori (40:16.445)
Yes. Yep. But she was nice about it. She was nice about it though.

Kelli (40:17.656)
See, that's what I mean. I knew there were some things in my notes that I'm missing.

Wendy (40:21.988)
Yes, yes. No, she was.

Kelli (40:23.576)
She was correcting the bartender on how to make the drink. But I listen

Lori (40:26.505)
Yeah, but he didn't have because he didn't have coffee. He the guy said, I forgot the coffee.

Kelli (40:29.132)
I mean, why are you offering espresso martini if you don't even have coffee with you?

Lori (40:33.721)
Well they messed up.

Kelli (40:37.26)
And isn't there a coffee maker in the house? Why can't you go bake some coffee?

Lori (40:39.761)
You would think right, right. Make a pot of coffee so you can have some coffee for the yeah. Like what do you do?

Kelli (40:45.164)
Right. There I'm sure there were caterers there like you and I used to do, like, ask someone to please go put a pot of coffee on. Done and done.

Lori (40:50.035)
Right. Right. Just yeah.

Wendy (40:55.184)
Yeah, I think it was funny though. I'm like, only Heather. Yeah.

Lori (40:58.889)
Fancy pants. Mm-hmm. But she was nice about it at least.

Kelli (41:00.269)
Yes.

Yeah. Yeah, she was like, I don't want this to be a thing. I don't want this to come between us.

Wendy (41:03.899)
Yeah.

Wendy (41:08.383)
Hay

Lori (41:13.288)
Yeah.

Kelli (41:14.978)
So funny.

Wendy (41:15.482)
So that's it for OC. I guess until next time, thank you for watching and listening. Please subscribe and give us five-star reviews. Bye.

Kelli (41:23.672)
Bye.

Lori (41:24.51)
Bye.