🍷 RHOC S20 E12: Everything Has an Expiration Date

Kelli (00:00.745)
Hi, welcome to We Wind Whenever, I'm Kelly.

Wendy (00:03.745)
I'm Wendy.

Lori (00:04.347)
And and I'm Laurie. Silly. Yep, yep, yep. It's been a while. We're rusty. We're rusty. Yes. Yes. That's it.

Kelli (00:08.156)
I knew that was gonna confuse everybody.

Kelli (00:13.129)
Well, we're all back. We're happy to have Wendy back. It's just we're gonna work out the kinks. tonight we're talking about Real Housewives of OC, season twenty, episode twelve, lay it on me, L E I. before we do, please go to our YouTube and subscribe and hit all of our socials and follow and comment. We love the engagement.

well, of course we start out with Heather and Ace are at they're at a warehouse. Listen, I don't like fancy pants and all her real estate adventures, but I am gonna say this that was pretty wild that they were in a warehouse with the projection my god.

Lori (00:45.713)
I

Lori (00:52.095)
with the floor plan projection. I've been out of I used to do that for a living and I've been out of the game for years. But when I saw that, I was like, my God. That something like that solves so many problems because I mean that's why people have the job of interior design is because other people cannot visualize. So to have something like that that people could walk through, my gosh. It

Kelli (01:03.964)
Uh-huh.

Kelli (01:12.905)
Yes.

Lori (01:21.657)
solve so many problems. Awesome. Awesome.

Kelli (01:21.743)
I thought that was amazing. Yeah.

Wendy (01:25.422)
I did too. I did too. And my first note was we start out with Kelly's favorite thing, Heather showing off her real estate venture.

Lori (01:34.471)
That's why I was laughing 'cause I was like, boy, what's Kelly gonna have to say about this?

Kelli (01:35.229)
Yeah.

Kelli (01:39.664)
I at first I was like, son of a bitch. And then but when then when I saw it, I was like, this is kind of interesting. Actually, I forgot to tell Eric about it because he would find that extremely interesting. But thankfully it was a short scene. Yeah, I'll show it to him because he'll love that. It was a short scene and we're moving on. then we see Jen was talking to her son who's in Singapore. Now I can't I couldn't tell, was this the son who was in the military? Or no? A different one.

Wendy (01:46.016)
It was very cool.

Lori (01:49.339)
Yeah, you should show that to him. Yeah, he'll love that.

Wendy (01:51.842)
Yes.

Wendy (01:56.457)
Ha ha ha

Lori (01:57.244)
Right.

Lori (02:05.7)
It looked like it it looked like it to me. I was like, How many how many kids does she have? that's the older one. Okay.

Wendy (02:05.918)
No, no, no, no. It's the older one. No, no, it's the older s no, he's the older one. He's the one that was gonna co-sign for one of the younger ones. Because 'cause the yes, he he's the older one.

Kelli (02:11.305)
She has a lot.

Okay.

Kelli (02:19.209)
Got it. Okay.

Lori (02:23.781)
Okay.

Kelli (02:23.837)
Okay, well he's working on launching a robot, so that's very cool in Singapore. Emily's with Annabelle and she's talking, you know, they're talking to each other, but in her confessional, Emily says that seventh grade was a tough year for Annabelle with what was going on with Luke, which is very understandable. I just think seventh grade is probably the worst grade your kids are probably ever gonna have.

Lori (02:27.568)
Yeah, that was very cool. Very cool.

Lori (02:52.198)
Yes, six and six and seventh is six and seventh definitely. Get it? Do you get it? Six and

Kelli (02:54.217)
Sixth, seventh, eighth. Middle school. Middle school is the absolute worst. Sixth, seven, that's right. but also what was going on with Luke, like, you know, it it's very understandable. And it's also understandable that Shane and Emily are having the issues that they're having in their marriage. Like, I know they were never always all never the picture perfect, you know.

Lori (03:10.843)
Yeah, it's a lot.

Kelli (03:24.373)
couple but it's very understandable that they're going through this trying time.

Lori (03:24.412)
Right.

Kelli (03:31.205)
Carmella is with her kids and her kids are telling her about a group chat that they're in with their dad that she's not in and she gets a little salty about that. I don't blame her. They are I would too. I would too. and then her kids called Vicky Granny.

Wendy (03:41.762)
I would too, I would too.

Lori (03:49.479)
Yeah, they were shit talking. I didn't I didn't think that was I didn't think that was kind of cool. I mean, Vicky is an asshole, but I didn't think that that was not something to film. Like, okay, if your kids were talking about shit, some lady that you're having a beef with that you work and you've talked about it, you know, and they know who it is and she's come over and blah, blah, blah. But to talk about it, to have it let your children talk about it on the television, I was just like

Wendy (03:49.89)
I think Carmella calls her granny.

Kelli (04:17.993)
Well, what's gonna happen is it's gonna hap it's going to lessen the impact of Vicky talking about her. So when they get to the reunion and she starts saying all these things that Vicki was saying about her to the other ladies, now it's gonna be like, Well, what were you saying about me to your kids that they were calling me granny and it's going to lessen the impact. It's gonna lessen Carmela's upper hand in that debate at the reunion for sure.

Lori (04:34.364)
Your kids. Right.

Lori (04:43.344)
Yeah, I just I just didn't I just didn't think that was like a cool move. I was just like mm

Kelli (04:47.899)
No, don't call her granny.

Wendy (04:50.83)
Actually, you know what? I think the kids were talking about what they witnessed. They were talking about their interaction with Vicky, not so much of anything that Carmela said. They were talking about their experience and how she made them feel because it was awkward and cringy. Well, they did call her granny because I mean, you know, she came in limping. She she's in her sixties.

Kelli (04:56.177)
yes.

Kelli (05:08.991)
But they did call her granny. They all were calling her granny.

Wendy (05:20.982)
I mean listen, I I think that she deserved it, to be honest with you, and I would have let my kids do the scene. I would have let my kids do the scene. I would have let do it.

Kelli (05:27.219)
I totally think she deserved it, but I I yeah. I wouldn't have let them do it on camera. I would have told them to tone it down on camera. You know, but but Carmela's just pissed and I don't blame her 'cause she's basically saying like Vicky's calling me a liar, saying I don't really live here, like, you know.

Wendy (05:36.078)
Ha ha ha.

Lori (05:37.19)
Yeah, that was my Yeah, turn it down, okay. Yeah.

Wendy (05:50.594)
Well, it is she's doubling down on everything that she said about her. After she apologized. She's she's right.

Kelli (05:54.548)
Yes. And and again, Heather doesn't live in OC, so this shouldn't even be a topic of conversation.

Lori (05:56.4)
Yeah, yeah. Full shit.

Wendy (06:00.856)
Right.

Lori (06:03.026)
Mm.

Wendy (06:03.628)
Right. It shouldn't be.

Kelli (06:06.095)
then we're at Shannon's house, which I I absolutely love Shannon's house, and it's right on the water. Gina shows up and Shannon's throwing a luau and she's doing all of the decor herself. She is very good at that. It was supposed to be for Gina and Travis's engagement, but Gina did not want her incurring the expense. I think that Gina just wants to throw her own engagement bar.

Lori (06:12.422)
Yeah, it's very pretty.

Wendy (06:12.504)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (06:20.849)
Yes.

Lori (06:28.475)
And

And Gina says Shannon is wasting the money anyway, so she might as well let her spend it on the engagement.

on the Louell party. Like I don't know.

Kelli (06:44.125)
Yeah. I it's interesting how everybody's got an opinion about how Shannon's spending her money all of a sudden.

Lori (06:49.328)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (06:50.222)
I don't know. J Shannon has thrown some very nice parties for these ladies, to be quite honest with you, over the years. They're always, I mean, decorated to the nines. They're always the theme is on point. I mean, her attention to detail is unmatched. And it really annoys me to be quite honest with you that Gina is shading her for that because she's doing something nice.

Kelli (06:55.38)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (07:01.205)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (07:15.92)
Yeah, that's why I was like

Kelli (07:16.319)
Don't you think though it I think it could possibly go back to remember it was a thing before Shannon got divorced, I think, and Gina was living in the condo and Gina made a comment about how small Gina's place was. I feel like sh yes, I'm sorry. Shannon made a comment about how small Gina's place was. I think it goes back to that. I think now Gina's feeling herself 'cause she's doing well in real estate and

Wendy (07:32.984)
Shannon made a comment.

Kelli (07:46.813)
I also think Gina's trying to position herself for a spin off or a wedding and it's just not gonna happen, Gina.

Lori (07:47.239)
Maybe.

Wendy (07:52.458)
I don't think that's ever gonna happen.

Kelli (07:54.908)
Never. You might get an episode. so this is a couples thing, and Shannon's bringing her friend Doug because she doesn't want to bring like a real love interest because she doesn't want to have to focus on them all night. and then Gina's talking to her about justifying the expense of the wedding, and Shannon says, You can't put a price on a memory. And Gina's like, Yes, you can, and it's very expensive.

Wendy (07:57.241)
No. Yeah.

Lori (08:20.219)
Yeah.

Kelli (08:21.009)
So they're gonna sit down with a wedding planner, they're gonna go over budget and what things might cost. If you're hemming and hawing this much over it, I think you know the answer. Like it's both of your second weddings, and I'm not trying to minimize the significance of that. But if you really want to buy your dream home for your six children and live as the Brady Bunch did, have a small wedding.

Lori (08:47.655)
Right. Yeah. Have a nice little destination wedding, go somewhere tropical pretty, invite just a close family, friends, and and that's it. And you'll have at the time of your life, yes.

Kelli (08:52.949)
Yeah.

Kelli (08:59.452)
All the day.

Yeah. So then Gina brings up Emily

Wendy (09:04.142)
I mean, what about her real ring? She finally shows her real ring 'cause she'd been wearing her fake ring. And that's yet another topic of i conversation. You know? Did you really need the real one? The fake one looks so good.

Lori (09:10.716)
Yes.

Kelli (09:11.305)
Yeah.

Lori (09:19.868)
Right.

Kelli (09:20.841)
Right. And Gina's like, No, I needed the real one.

Wendy (09:23.778)
Right.

Kelli (09:25.455)
Gina brings up Emily and Jen leaving Vicky's house and Shannon says Vicki said that Danny was home raising the kids about Carmella and Gina immediately is like, Well, I'm telling Carmela.

Wendy (09:37.004)
I like that she at least told her that she's telling her.

Kelli (09:39.731)
Yeah, I mean listen, I think that this has been Gina's role now for a while. She's like the bone collector, you know.

Wendy (09:43.382)
Yeah. Yeah.

Lori (09:45.487)
And Shannon says that, you know, Vicky just, you know, puts her foot in her mouth and says things that don't come out the way she intends them. Bullshit. Bullshit. She just she just says shit without even thinking about it. And

Kelli (10:02.645)
She she almost says shit as if she's not gonna get called out on it. Like because back in the day she probably didn't. But like this is what Housewives is now. You say one thing, it's coming back.

Lori (10:06.341)
I know. It's crazy town.

Wendy (10:15.298)
Yes. I think Shannon's just trying to protect Vicky. That's what I think. And you know what? I think that this Vicki's coming back. I think it's gonna be a one and done her return. I don't think we're gonna see her again. I think that Shannon is friends with Vicky and has been friends with Vicky this whole time, even through the whole Tamra thing. And she's loyal to her friend. And I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I don't think Shannon should be the one calling her out on this. I don't. I don't. I I can see why she doesn't want to.

Lori (10:25.149)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. No.

Kelli (10:26.581)
For sure. Mm-mm.

Kelli (10:33.599)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (10:42.397)
No, and I think that Vicky, I think that Vicky, because Vicki had been on the show with all of these women except for Jen and obviously Carmella, I think Vicki thought that everyone was going to act as Shannon's acting. Everyone was going to have her back. Because she says everybody's talking about Carmella. And then they flash back, and everybody was talking about Carmela. So I think Vicki thought that.

Everybody was gonna have her back with Carmella, but they're not.

Kelli (11:17.779)
Now this next scene with Tamara and her granddaughter was very odd to me. Anybody else? Okay, good. Okay, good.

Wendy (11:17.965)
Yeah.

Wendy (11:27.192)
Me too. Me too, me too. It was odd. The whole thing. Her mother being there, Sophie

Kelli (11:36.521)
Why was her mother there? Because they're filming.

Wendy (11:39.616)
Right, 'cause they're fill and it was her daughter's ele her granddaughter's eleventh birthday party.

Lori (11:43.901)
And that's a that makes sense. Why she would be there if it's granddaughter's Yeah, it was Ava's party.

Wendy (11:46.348)
It was the granddaughter's eleventh birthday party. It was Ave it was Ava's party.

Kelli (11:52.992)
I know, but it was I mean, I don't know. I thought it was odd that her mother was there. I think her mother just wants to be I I I think this woman DM'd Ryan back in the day because she knew his mother was on Real Housewives of OC. I think this woman had intentions back then. It didn't pan out for her, but I mean whatever. All right, so she's there because it's her daughter's birthday party. but really it was Tamara Eddie.

Wendy (11:55.606)
Yeah.

Lori (11:58.343)
Kelly says no matter what, it's just all

Kelli (12:22.835)
Sophia and her boyfriend and Tamra's mother and her boyfriend, who we have seen before. So I'm happy to see that they're still together. Easter was the first time Tamara had seen Ryan in a year, and Tamara said that Ryan thinks Tamra should stay home to take care of his kids. And and then also I agree with you. I think the liking and sharing of posts

Wendy (12:30.776)
Yeah.

Wendy (12:43.8)
I call bullshit on this whole thing. I call bullshit. That is

Kelli (12:50.911)
That were hate rhetoric, I think there's truth to that because she saw what happened to Gretchen. And Tamara probably thought, You better knock this shit off, because if this comes down on me and I get fired over it like Gretchen just did, I think that had more to do with it. I don't think Ryan wants her to stay home. Maybe he maybe he wants her to spend a little bit more time with his daughter. But if they weren't even speaking

Wendy (12:55.394)
Yes.

Lori (12:58.929)
Right. Right.

Wendy (13:01.037)
Yeah.

Lori (13:04.338)
Right.

Wendy (13:08.726)
He knows who she is, said

Lori (13:15.633)
Right. But I don't think he's looking at her at a full time grand you know, as a full time grandma stay at home watch his kids. Like s come on. Like I I know what you're trying to sell, Tamara, but

Kelli (13:24.477)
Right. Right.

Wendy (13:24.534)
No, no, I don't think so. I don't think so.

Kelli (13:29.735)
she's always trying to sell something. Snake oil. That's what she's trying to sell. so then we see some flashbacks of Tamara fake crying with Ryan. You know, one of the scenes, honestly, when they were sitting on the couch when Tamara was still married to Simon and she started crying. Ryan looked like he was gonna crack up. Because it was so fake. It was so fake.

Wendy (13:50.894)
I didn't see that.

Lori (13:53.211)
It's okay.

Very.

Wendy (13:57.135)
I thought Ryan was a dick. I thought he showed up as a dick. He he showed up with an attitude. You know, he says to Sophie, look at all those tattoos. What do all those tattoos mean? And where's your boyfriend? And where are his tattoos? He just was like like just poking the bear. I thought he was being a dick. I really did.

Lori (14:10.631)
Yeah, he was dicky. He was a little sticky.

Kelli (14:12.563)
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean s he asks to meet Nico, that goes well. And then Tamra's like, I want to show you something, Ava. So they're walking down a hall and she shows her a picture of the family when they were younger and Eddie's in it though, not with Simon, but the kids are younger. It was the wedding picture.

Wendy (14:34.296)
It was their wedding picture. It was a wedding picture.

Kelli (14:37.621)
And she says she doesn't know Sydney. I didn't realize that Ryan didn't talk to his sister Sydney either.

Lori (14:45.745)
Or is it Sydney does it talk to that? I don't know.

Kelli (14:48.211)
That's what yeah. So Sydney and Spencer, right, is the brother. So I wonder Okay. So they talk. So he just I don't think he likes to film.

Wendy (14:48.408)
Sydney doesn't talk to them. It's Sydney doesn't talk to them.

Wendy (14:57.058)
Yeah, but Spencer's now with Tamra.

I mean they speak, yes. No, he doesn't.

Kelli (15:06.569)
Yeah. All right, so that's good. so then Tamra gives her a Gucci purse because it was one of the first bags that Tamra could purchase for herself. That her Ava's mother is grabbing that pocketbook as soon as they get in the car before they drive away.

Lori (15:26.515)
soon as they get in the car. Right. I mean I thought I thought it was cute. Like I thought that was nice.

Kelli (15:32.445)
It was very cute. I'm just saying the girl's mother's grabbing that bag.

Lori (15:35.439)
Yes, grabbing the bag. But that's a nice thing to like, you know Yes.

Wendy (15:39.16)
And her stepsister's gonna be using it.

Kelli (15:41.557)
Yes exactly. Ava hasn't seen the bag since they finished filming that day. And my God, they're eating fucking dominoes. I mean, I know you're in California.

Lori (15:48.047)
Yes.

Lori (15:54.173)
I know I know but I was thinking to myself there's not a decent pizzeria that you gotta eat that shit Domino's and I know I'm gonna get people in the comments there's nothing wrong with Domino's just like when I got all that shit on Beverly Hills for d ragging on McCormick spices. I never saw anything like it in my life. My God. So I'm expecting the Domino's rags and my daughter happens to love it and think it's absolutely delicious. I think it's shit. I just couldn't

Kelli (16:00.352)
Come on.

Kelli (16:12.252)
I forgot about that.

Kelli (16:23.113)
We are from New Jersey. That is sacrilege.

Lori (16:24.561)
I couldn't believe you can't you can't find a decent yeah, can't find a decent pizzeria. You gotta have that. Ugh. Sorry.

Wendy (16:33.964)
Maybe maybe she has a brand deal with them.

Lori (16:36.816)
I don't know.

Kelli (16:37.577)
She must, because they showed the boxes. But isn't there like a a pizza? There's something out there. It's a chain, but it's something. I don't know. Whatever. Whatever. Eat your dominoes. then we see Shannon and Sophie meet up with Vicky, and they're there to purchase bras for Shannon.

Lori (16:39.559)
They did.

Lori (16:49.36)
I guess so. Go ahead. I'm not eating it.

Lori (16:58.547)
'Cause their boobs are lopsided. Who knew?

Kelli (17:00.497)
I mean, and Vicky could not say mo any more insulting things about Shannon's boobs. I I do think that they just have that kind of friendship. But it's on TV.

Wendy (17:09.784)
I know, but to say to call it saggy baggy elephant boobs, I mean that's just mean.

Lori (17:09.939)
I gasped.

Lori (17:16.295)
And I'd like to see I'd like to see what Vicky's got going on.

Kelli (17:20.713)
Right. Well she's probably gotten them lifted fifteen times by now.

Wendy (17:24.408)
She has, she has. Shannon has always been so vulnerable with her body and her her her double spanks. Like give me a break. Like

Lori (17:25.263)
Right, right. Well then don't say anything.

Kelli (17:31.135)
She has

Lori (17:32.561)
But that but that's the thing, if that's you if that's your friend though, then why would you say something like that?

Kelli (17:38.515)
Yeah, no, I agree. I agree. I thought it was a little I I do think that they have that kind of banter, but that was really mean.

Wendy (17:39.232)
It it annoyed me. It totally annoyed me. And then poor Shannon said I know. Poor Shannon said, I have unbrable breasts. Like she doesn't think that she can find a bra for her breasts. I was like, Shannon, like

Lori (17:40.851)
Shitty. Yeah.

Lori (17:46.801)
Yeah, that's yeah, that's low.

Kelli (17:56.982)
But I'm glad that Vicky I'm assuming Vicky brought her to this place. Like I'm glad that they did this because, you know, you have to feel comfortable in your own body. And there are things to help do that. And shapewear's obviously one of them. But you cannot put a price on a good bra. And trust me, I have done the research for everybody. Like if it costs a hundred dollars but it makes you feel good and lifted up and and looks nice, pay

Wendy (18:07.021)
Yes.

Lori (18:25.425)
Right. Pay the hundred dollars. Right. Right. I I loved how yes. I loved how Shannon's daughter when they were telling her about the gift that Carmella got with the Yeah, when they telling her about the the clutch and had the vibrator and set it and she said, that's a lovely present.

Kelli (18:26.847)
Throw some money at the situation and walk away feeling good about yourself. Honestly. And then get it in three other colors.

Wendy (18:33.272)
I agree. Yes.

Wendy (18:46.925)
Emily.

Kelli (18:50.837)
Clutch and the vibrator.

Kelli (18:54.931)
Yeah, that's a great gift.

Lori (18:55.315)
So cute. It's a great scene. I just loved it. I thought it was really funny.

Kelli (18:59.391)
What young girl in her twenties isn't gonna love that present?

Lori (19:02.355)
Yeah, but I just loved how she said it. that's a lovely present. She meant it. She was like, it's very nice.

Kelli (19:09.577)
Vicki tells Sophie that she can start paying her bills for herself now with her promotion. And Vicky says it's important to have your kids pay for themselves and teach them the hard knocks. And then we rewind to Vicki th pulling up in front of Brianna's place with a brand new car with a big red bow.

Lori (19:25.511)
But she did no, but she did but she did say but you have to make the payments. And I

Wendy (19:26.284)
Yes, but she made her make the payments, yes.

Kelli (19:29.365)
I know. No, I know. I thought it was funny though how Purdue

Wendy (19:32.258)
She had to make the pay I remember her doing that. I was like, what if her daughter didn't want that car? Now she's gotta make payments on it.

Lori (19:37.607)
Car, right.

Kelli (19:38.043)
Her daughter said it. She was like, Great, thanks. Like now I have an extra added expense every month. Like, what?

Wendy (19:41.09)
Ha ha ha.

Lori (19:43.535)
Right, right. And I loved in Shannon's confessional that look she has with she has black on and her hair pulled back. That looks really good on her.

Kelli (19:52.49)
Yeah.

Kelli (19:55.914)
Well, I don't know if you guys saw her posts. they must have filmed the reunion. she was getting ready for the reunion and her hair looked so good. It's down, it was like very layered, blown out. It it took years off of her, I felt like. Yeah, she looked great.

Lori (20:12.179)
Ooh, nice.

Lori (20:17.589)
nice. Yeah, I just thought she looked really good in that confessional. She's got some kind of black outfit on and her hair was like pulled back. But she just her makeup it just looked really good.

Kelli (20:27.497)
Yeah. I don't know if she was doing like a trial run for her reunion look, but she put something about r you know, reunion. So we'll have to see.

Wendy (20:37.154)
Well, it's episode twelve, so I can imagine that they probably did film it. I don't know how many more episodes we have.

Kelli (20:43.421)
Right, right. So Shannon's getting ready for her luau and she sits at the table and she needs the seats higher because the nipples shouldn't hit the table. Now these are details I would never think of.

Wendy (20:56.802)
This is what I said about her. This is exactly what I said about her.

Lori (20:58.579)
Well, that's the thing. She should she should do event planning is what she should do. She'd probably make a fortune.

Kelli (21:02.257)
She should do event planning.

So they bring out pillows, the cushion the seat cushions, lifts everybody up, no nipples hitting the table.

Lori (21:09.093)
Yeah, and it rises it up, absolutely.

There you go.

Wendy (21:14.286)
Problem solved.

Kelli (21:15.861)
Emily is saying Emily says that she knows Vicky's never gonna be accountable for anything. She did to contribute to Emily and Jen leaving her home. And then Doug, Shannon's friend, shows up. He seems very nice, but they both seem he did seem nice, but they both kind of said like there was no chemistry between them. And then we find out that earlier early in the season Shannon brought his ex wife to Heather's party. So

Wendy (21:29.74)
He really did seem nice.

Kelli (21:44.647)
It must just be like a friendship.

Lori (21:44.967)
Now how about Gina in her confessional? I thought she was really rude. She was taking a dig at Shannon. She was saying taking a dig at Shannon about her back taxes. Why are you doing that?

Kelli (21:59.936)
She said the party looks like it costs the same amount to pay off her back taxes. That's what I'm saying. I think Gina's got some pent up resentment against Shannon.

Lori (22:04.751)
Who's throwing you a party? You need to Yeah, you need to back it up. I was like, ew.

Kelli (22:11.999)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (22:12.974)
Yeah, I don't like that. I don't like when Gina does that.

Lori (22:15.761)
Yeah. W it was not nice. You a little too fool yourself there.

Kelli (22:16.627)
No. No, it wasn't nice. You have Yeah, that's what I mean. I feel like she's feeling herself now because she's making some money doing the real estate, and I feel like she's resentful for things that Shannon has said about her in the past or her living situation, whatever. So you have to limbo to get laid into the party. I think it's great. I mean, I would probably fall on my ass.

Wendy (22:37.974)
I thought that was funny.

Lori (22:40.763)
Yeah. I she does fun little fun little things for her parties. I liked it.

Kelli (22:45.577)
Yeah.

Wendy (22:46.956)
I like when Terry's like, Do I have to wear this? Do I have to keep this on? And I I think it was was it Eddie that said, Well you don't have any colour yet. Yeah, you gotta keep it on. You got no colour on

Kelli (22:53.556)
Eddie.

Lori (22:55.463)
Yeah. You got no colour on.

Kelli (22:57.383)
I thought it was hysterical that it was Eddie because everybody always accuses him of being gay and he's the one that's like, Well, yeah, leave it on. It's the only color you have.

Wendy (23:05.848)
Ha ha ha.

Kelli (23:09.045)
I don't think Eddie's gay, but I thought that that was very funny.

Lori (23:09.904)
I love

I love Tamra's dress.

Kelli (23:15.943)
I thought they all looked great, quite honestly.

Lori (23:18.205)
I didn't like Heather's I didn't like Heather's dress at all. I don't like her dress. I thought Emily's was very short.

Kelli (23:21.289)
Well, I very rarely like

Wendy (23:21.666)
It was very short. It was very short.

that's what I meant, Emily's. I'm sorry. I was talking about Emily's yes.

Kelli (23:27.197)
Emily's was short.

Lori (23:28.377)
Emily's was very short. But I didn't like He I didn't like Heather's I just didn't like it. But no nobody nobody cares what I had and what I think, but just saying. It's just the three of us here.

Wendy (23:34.38)
I don't even remember what Heather had on.

Ha ha ha

Kelli (23:39.509)
I actually thought Shannon looked a little bit like Mrs. Roper, but Shannon always has a Mrs. Roper feel to her.

Lori (23:44.487)
She always has misses Roberfield to her. She does. That's just her gig.

Wendy (23:45.826)
She does. I like Shannon though.

Kelli (23:47.903)
She should come to Asbury for the misses Roper walk.

Lori (23:51.027)
There you go.

Wendy (23:51.502)
She should.

Kelli (23:53.406)
Shannon tells Emily that Vicky is expecting an apology and a Emily's like, absolutely not. And then Vicky walks up to Emily and they just both start acting like nothing ever happened. I do love how Emily calls her Victoria. I don't know why. I just find it very amusing.

Lori (24:07.187)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (24:12.477)
Think I think that she's making fun of her.

Wendy (24:14.798)
So that came out on Watch What Happens Live. That came out on Watch What Happens Live too when Emily was on. either Andy or a viewer asked her, and she said, you know what, I don't know why. I just have always called her Victoria because she just gives me that air about her. She goes, I always have called her that. And you know what? She's never said anything to me about it, so she just continues to do it. And I agree with her. She does have that Victoria air about her.

Kelli (24:19.062)
it did?

Lori (24:30.461)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (24:30.793)
That's what I thought it was.

Lori (24:42.443)
yeah.

Kelli (24:42.645)
Absolutely. I think it's great. Carmela and Danny show up and Tamra, Gina, and Jen are talking about how pissed off Carmela is over things that Vicki's been saying. Gina tells Carmela that Vicky said Danny is raising her kids, and now Carmela's even more upset and says she hopes Vicki has good life insurance because she's about to dropkick an OJ. I honestly thought that that was a great screen.

Lori (25:05.011)
That was good one. That was that was a good one.

That was a good one.

Kelli (25:11.965)
Emily approaches Heather and says she doesn't want there to be any tension between them. And Heather says Gina told her that a lot of things Heather does really annoys Emily. And Emily starts to cry and apologizes for hurting Heather, and she genuinely appreciates their friendship. And Heather's like, that means so much to me. And now they're gonna go out on a date and everything is perfect, just the way Fancy Pants likes it. I thought that was the worst.

Weirdest, oddest little scene.

Lori (25:43.867)
It it was I felt like it was very very produced is what it was. There.

Wendy (25:44.012)
I did too. I had no idea I didn't know what it was about.

Kelli (25:48.755)
Very produced, but it makes sense because everything about Heather is produced. So like what is Emily apologizing for?

Lori (25:55.133)
Very pretty good.

Wendy (25:57.871)
I don't know. I was wondering the same thing. I had no idea.

Kelli (25:59.784)
It was that was really weird.

Kelli (26:04.531)
Everybody asks Vicky where Mike is and she says he's in Las Vegas. I mean, does this guy have business in Las Vegas? Is this where he builds his buildings?

Lori (26:12.487)
I don't know. He probably does he doesn't want to film. Come on. Maybe he likes to roll the dice. I see.

Kelli (26:16.467)
Or does he like to roll the dice? Is what I'm asking. What's going on here? Emily says that Doug's ex girlfriend went to Heather's party with Shannon and Gina asks if there are sparks between Shannon and Doug, and Doug says that they're sporadic. I thought that was funny.

Lori (26:24.315)
You don't want to film.

Kelli (26:38.597)
Carmela then at the table tells Danny what Vicky said about him raising her kids. And Jen says she can empathize with Carmela because she knows how it feels for people to judge you without knowing you, like they did when she came on the show. Could you have imagined if Vicky were on the show when Jen came on? And how awful Tamra was to Jen. She was horrible to her, Tamra. And she was her friend. And if Vicky were there and it was the two of them, that would have been horrible.

Wendy (26:54.987)
No.

Wendy (26:58.292)
No. She was horrible. And she was her friend.

Yeah.

Kelli (27:09.129)
So they're like kind of egging Carmella on to bring this up now. So Carmella gets everyone's attention and Tamara blurts out what Vicky said. And Vicky at first is denying it. And then someone asks Shannon, I don't know, like you're on camera. You said these things on camera, dumbass. Exactly.

Lori (27:23.257)
What is wrong with her?

Lori (27:28.743)
Right, you know how this works.

Wendy (27:31.34)
Why did Tamar have to stick her nose in it? Like why did she like

Lori (27:33.693)
Because she's Tamara. Because she's Tamara.

Kelli (27:33.969)
I don't know. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. And someone asked Shannon if Vicki said it and she's like, Yeah, she did. And now Vicki is really mad.

Wendy (27:45.538)
Well Heather, because ha it was Heather and Shannon there. And then Heather. Yes, yes.

Kelli (27:48.329)
First Shannon confirmed it and then Heather confirmed it. Mm-hmm.

Lori (27:56.497)
And then and then production just confirmed it. That's all.

Kelli (28:00.266)
Right, right. And then we see the concrete evidence where she actually did say it. So Vicky says if I said it it wasn't to hurt you. Carmella says she just wants her to keep her name out of her mouth. Yeah, like then what was the purpose if you weren't trying to hurt her?

Lori (28:05.349)
Actually did, yeah.

Lori (28:09.491)
Okay. What kind of bullshit is it all?

Wendy (28:20.184)
Right, and Emily said I think the point is you should apologize to her.

Kelli (28:23.561)
Right. You need to apologize. Carmella tells Vicky you're just trying to poke holes in my story. And Vicki says everyone sees red flags. That's what she said. Everyone is seeing red flags about Carmella. And they do flash back to all of them talking smack about Carmela.

Lori (28:43.549)
Right.

Kelli (28:46.405)
Jen tells the group what happened in Palm Springs and that Vicky told her she doesn't like new girls and it's like an initiation. So Carmela says, You're new too this year, and Vicky gets very upset and says, I started this franchise twenty-one years ago, so don't do that. And Carmela says, Everything has an expiration.

Lori (29:05.574)
That was great. That was a that was that was a good line.

Kelli (29:06.982)
It was great.

Wendy (29:10.54)
It was awesome and everyone's reaction was like

Kelli (29:10.749)
And what Emily said next.

Lori (29:13.689)
yeah. It's great.

Kelli (29:15.155)
Yeah. And what Emily said next is true. The best way to deal with Victoria is to put her in her place. And Carmela says, you can't say things like that and not expect someone to dish it back. And Vicky says, Don't talk to me like that. Like what? She's she's standing up for herself. She's not insulting you. She's not calling you names. She's saying

Wendy (29:15.49)
Like they gasped.

Wendy (29:34.84)
Yeah.

Lori (29:39.367)
Right, she's just telling you back up.

Wendy (29:41.645)
Right.

Kelli (29:43.281)
If you're going to talk about me in that way, I am going to approach you about it and call you out.

Wendy (29:44.332)
Right.

Wendy (29:49.9)
Yes. As you should.

Kelli (29:52.926)
Absolutely.

Kelli (29:56.884)
Vicki in her confessional says if it were anyone else but Carmella, she would care. But Carmela's dumb. Like really, Vicki, that's that's your comeback. That's your big comeback.

Lori (30:06.151)
Yeah, that's your big comeback.

Kelli (30:07.955)
Yeah. Tamra says to Emily that Vicky said Emily and Jen owe her an apology and Emily tells them exactly what happened. Vicky said Jen and Emily made it uncomfortable for her in her own home. So she's basically blaming them.

Wendy (30:21.57)
Which is ridiculous.

Lori (30:23.321)
All I know is that by the end of this episode I was like

Wendy (30:25.038)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (30:31.375)
She is a master at manipulation. Because how at the embus end of this episode it ended up everybody kumbaying around Vicky, hugging her, patting her on the back, just turned herself into like the victim, like I was like, you got me.

Kelli (30:43.887)
Absolutely. Well, that's what Gina said.

Kelli (30:52.127)
She said Gina Gina said Vicky's got the Jedi mind and it's very impressive. That's exactly what she said.

Lori (30:57.136)
It's unbelievable.

Kelli (31:00.191)
So the guys are all at the bar at this point asking Travis about the engagement and he retells how he proposed and Terry says he loves being engaged because you still have time to bail. Terry, stop. You've been married forever.

Lori (31:10.799)
Yeah, he needs he needs to stop because it he like laughed way too much and too hard at his own joke. I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. my god. I was like, no.

Kelli (31:19.666)
He always does.

Wendy (31:20.302)
That's what he does. That's what he does, yeah.

Kelli (31:24.085)
There's no bigger fan of Terry DeBro than Terry DeBro.

Wendy (31:25.708)
Yeah.

Lori (31:27.537)
Then terri de bro, I get it.

Wendy (31:28.462)
So true.

Kelli (31:30.975)
So Vicky says, Did you guys think about how you made me feel at all? And Carmela's like, This is ridiculous. She wants you to she wants you to worry about how you made her feel, but she's talking all this shit about me and she's not worried about how I'm gonna feel. And she's right. Like this it's the same thing that Lisa said to Whitney on Salt Lake. Like you're holding me to a different bar than you're holding yourself. And that's not right.

Lori (31:43.47)
Mm-hmm. Exactly.

Kelli (31:56.544)
Vicki says she was getting very upset and wanted Emily and Jen to stop. And Carmela's like, Yeah, that's when women should pick each other up, not push each other down. And, you know, Jen kind of backsteps a little bit with Vicky and says, I peel layers back very quickly, and that's probably not Vicky's style. but I never have ill intent. And now Vicky is communicating about her insecurity in her relationships. And, you know, basically Emily's like, Yeah, we're fine.

Lori (32:27.879)
Just true she's just trying to turn the tide because she was she got busted, talking shit about Carmella. Everybody knew she got busted and that's what she did. She just you know.

Kelli (32:36.499)
Yes. Right.

Kelli (32:41.811)
And this is her out. I'm insecure. The whole thing. So then Emily. Yeah. Right. Ridiculous. Emily invites all the ladies to a Persian party at her in laws. I wonder why the husbands aren't invited to that though, because I would assume Shane's gonna be there, but it doesn't matter. And then Shannon announces that they're gonna play a game with the coconuts. Did you guys ever see the movie Blended?

Lori (32:43.313)
Yep. Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Yeah.

Wendy (32:47.118)
Yeah, I threw Emily and Jen out of my house.

Mm.

Wendy (33:07.274)
my god.

Lori (33:09.565)
No.

Wendy (33:10.614)
Yes, with Adam Sandler.

Kelli (33:13.831)
And Jennifer Aniston and they play this game against Nicole Kidman and Dave Matthews, who's playing her husband. That movie blend no, no, no. Not blended. That's Drew Barrymore. Just go with it. It's called Just Go With It, where he's a plastic surgeon and she's his assistant and th it's so good. But they have a scene where they do that with the coconut.

Wendy (33:15.712)
Yes.

Wendy (33:33.742)
I don't think yeah. Okay, I never saw this coconut game, but that was the funniest thing I've ever seen in my life. That was so funny. So funny.

Kelli (33:40.959)
So good. When when Carmela was trying to grab it with her ass

Lori (33:42.447)
It was funny.

Yeah, that was great.

Kelli (33:49.555)
Yeah. So yeah, and then at the end they're all hugging and and Gina says Vicky has the Jedi mind and it's very impressive.

Lori (33:50.503)
Now what do you

Lori (33:55.057)
Yeah. Now what about Shane coming late? I don't know if I'm I maybe maybe it's Yeah. Maybe it's 'cause the kid was having an issue with him leaving. Yeah.

Kelli (34:02.239)
Well, apparently he's, you know, taking care of all the kids.

Wendy (34:09.206)
I think that's what it is. And I do think he does the primary care giving for those children. And Emily's admitted it. And she doesn't thank him enough and she doesn't appreciate him. I I I get it. I get it. I get where he's coming from.

Lori (34:17.734)
Right. Yeah, so

Kelli (34:25.385)
Yeah. Yeah, I think that they're just

Going through it. I think they're gonna be okay because I think they're both committed. But I don't know. I could see her having a little bit of a wander.

Lori (34:39.42)
See.

Lori (34:43.555)
huh.

Kelli (34:45.747)
Now that she's all svvel.

Lori (34:47.622)
huh.

Kelli (34:49.031)
I hope not though, 'cause I like Shane. No, that's true.

Wendy (34:49.08)
She is not leaving h Shane's money. Shane's got the the bank. His parents no, he's going no she's going nowhere.

Lori (34:51.825)
Yeah. He's got the bank, yeah.

Kelli (34:57.459)
Yeah. And I like them together. I really do. I listen to their podcast. I love their banter with each other on their podcast.

Lori (34:57.565)
Yeah, this is true.

Wendy (35:05.784)
Well, he doesn't do anything. She does all the research and he keeps asking her all these I because I listen to it too. She he does no research at all. She'll watch all the shows, take all the notes, and he'll he'll he just he's like hearing it for the first time. It's so funny.

Kelli (35:11.197)
Yeah. Right.

Kelli (35:19.017)
Yeah.

Lori (35:19.783)
Funny.

Kelli (35:24.447)
Well that's it. Thank you for watching and listening.

Lori (35:29.063)
Bye.

Kelli (35:30.453)
Please yeah, do all the things. Subscribe and follow. Thank you. All right. Good night. Bye.

Lori (35:32.413)
Do all the things.

Wendy (35:33.31)
Yeah.

Lori (35:39.924)
god.