RHOC S20 E11 Three Engagements, One Ring & a $450 Uber

Kelli (00:01.934)
it just started. Hi, welcome to Be Money Whenever I'm K

Lori (00:05.329)
Yeah so funny. I was just mentioning about I'm really hot and you guys caught that. We didn't know we were

Kelli (00:14.914)
I hid it and then I and then we just kept talking, sorry. So anyway, welcome to V One Whenever, I'm Callie.

Lori (00:15.269)
Taping. And I'm Lori and I'm really hot right now.

Kelli (00:23.63)
She's overheating. tonight we're talking about Real Housewives of Orange County, season 20, episode 11, A Tale of Two Trips. before we start, please go to our YouTube and subscribe and go to our socials and like and follow, especially Instagram. We're still lacking there. And we appreciate it. And please comment. We love the engagement.

Lori (00:24.889)
I'm overheating. Yes.

Lori (00:47.909)
Yes. Except for people keep saying that

Kelli (00:49.166)
Lori (00:53.059)
Maybe I'm Dululu. But I we keep getting these comments like who are these old ladies? I mean, I know I'm g I'm getting like

Kelli (01:00.736)
I haven't seen any in a while. You must be getting on there before me and seeing the comments.

Lori (01:05.809)
I I I am getting up there. But I'm not eighty.

Kelli (01:10.968)
think we're old like and listen, i don't even call an eighty year old an old lady. My mother is nearing eighty and she is beautiful and young and spry. I don't want anybody calling her an old lady because she is not one. Just don't call people that it's not nice.

Lori (01:20.753)
I don't know, I don't gather.

I don't know.

Whatever, I guess. But I just think it's funny. I I'm like I'm no spring chicken, but I ain't old.

Kelli (01:34.326)
I know, but in your fifties is not an old lady.

Lori (01:37.626)
I'm well.

Kelli (01:40.172)
We're all in our fifties.

Kelli (01:46.041)
Well anyway, they open the the show up at Vicky's house and the music they're playing, it's like it might as well be like the theme song to Friday the thirteenth. Like they're really setting this up like it's like the movie psycho.

Lori (01:46.671)
Yeah, yeah anyway.

Lori (02:03.663)
Yes.

Kelli (02:05.536)
So Shannon is still like, he's mad. He's very mad. Did she even see him? Did anybody even see Michael? Like why are we like he's so mad?

Lori (02:15.61)
Well this because you know why? You know why? Because Emily Emily said we're uncomfortable because you guys are having a problem. Like Emily, instead of just making it about the fact that Vicki was being shitty, she Emily made it seem like

Kelli (02:41.708)
Right.

There was something between Vicky and Michael.

Lori (02:47.124)
Right. Whereas Mike probably came home to Vicky being all pissed off and was like, What the fuck? Like you're having your friends here, you're supposed to be having a good time. Like, why are you all jacked up? And that was probably it. And he probably was like, Fuck this, I'm just gonna go in the room. Like, I don't know what's going on with these bitches. But he wasn't like some intimidating yeah, it wasn't like it wasn't like that.

Kelli (03:07.704)
Psycho. No. Not at all. He went in the room. He listened he very well may have been upset. But honestly, knowing production.

Lori (03:13.774)
You went in the realm.

Lori (03:18.212)
Well, who wants who wants to come home and have your significant other all jacked up? Like nobody wants to come home to that.

Kelli (03:24.95)
Right. And if he threw a fit or or was irate in any way where they could see him, production would have rolled that tape. For sure. So Emily and Jen are packing up to leave. And then you know, I don't know what it is about OC's production company, but they love the flip flop and back and forth between scenes, and I can't stand it.

Lori (03:30.951)
they would have caught that.

Lori (03:35.216)
Tape. Yeah. So yeah.

Kelli (03:51.373)
And it's probably because we're watching this show, we're taking notes and we're commenting on it. If it weren't for that, fine, but it's kind of annoying. Emily and Jen are packing up to leave. And then we go to Tamra's house in Los Olivos. I I don't know how to pronounce it. And the ladies are out by the fire. Gina says they're probably counting Vicki's TVs in her house as a, you know, a dig to what she had said about Carmela's.

Lori (03:55.576)
Right. So you're trying to go back and forth, right.

Right.

Lori (04:08.772)
Yeah, who knows?

Lori (04:18.202)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Kelli (04:21.184)
Heather's like, is the ring in the safe at the bank? Is the ring in the safe at the house? And Carmela says, I'm gonna bank on the fact that there is no ring. She had a couple of cocktails and got that one out. Tamra says she would lose her shit if someone told her they bought her a ring but didn't propose.

Lori (04:32.078)
Yeah, yeah.

Kelli (04:43.594)
I don't know if I believe that, but whatever. Gina says prior to her engagement to Travis, she got to a place where she would have been okay if that had never happened because of his complicated custody situation with his ex, which reality nope, not reality court, the Bravo Docket did a really good episode. This is probably over a year ago or so, but basically they broke down.

what was going on between Travis and his ex and their custody and their divorce and it was so incredibly messy. if but if you get a chance to listen to it, listeners, listen to it because it does break it down very interestingly. then we hear the ominous music again and Vicky sa then we're back at Vicky's house and she says she doesn't want them to leave. But she did tell them that they could get the F out if they were going to disrespect her.

Lori (05:18.809)
Right.

Lori (05:37.146)
She d Yeah, and I don't I don't I don't buy it that she was telling production to leave.

Kelli (05:43.839)
No, I she definitely was not. She was she was totally backtracking what she said because obviously it's gonna be more embarrassing for her if they leave. And she's trying to defuse the situation, but Emily and Jen still want to go and they're not letting it go. Emily's not gonna let this go.

Lori (05:47.898)
She was backtracking 'cause she knew it was looked bad.

Lori (06:02.734)
think I don't think I would have stayed there either. I'd have like, you know what?

Kelli (06:07.818)
I probably would have, but y you know me. I'm I'm just gonna I'm just gonna go with the flow and make everything, you know you know, just whatever I gotta do to get everybody to just relax and have a glass of wine so I can go smoke my cigarette, you know.

Lori (06:12.634)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right.

Lori (06:21.718)
Right. Right. Right. But who would have ever thought that Tamara's trip was gonna be like a better time?

Kelli (06:27.178)
I know, not me. I never would have guessed that. Vicki's totally playing the victim though. She's like, I went through all this trouble to have them here and now they're leaving. Well, you did tell them that they could get the F out if they were g you know.

Lori (06:29.583)
Right.

Lori (06:33.532)
yeah, it's everybody else's fault.

Lori (06:41.764)
Right. And you did come on a reality TV show in a relationship.

Kelli (06:49.206)
And not want to talk about the relationship.

Lori (06:51.78)
Like what what I don't know what you were thinking. This is not your first rodeo, you know exactly how this goes. So it that's kinda cuckoo.

Kelli (06:54.805)
Exactly.

Right.

Kelli (07:02.136)
The Uber costs $450. But Emily and Jen don't care. They just want out of there. So I'm assuming that that's I'm sure they have Uber Black or Uber whatever it is. And that's to get them all the way back to Orange County. So that's, you know, that's a hefty Uber. the next morning at Tamra's house, Carmela is cooking bacon and Heather shockingly, Heather's talking about her real estate.

Lori (07:12.068)
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Lori (07:16.911)
Right.

Kelli (07:31.232)
And she shows them a sketch of their apartment. Listen, I have zero interest in where Terry and Heather DeBrot live, where they put their heads down at night. I don't fucking care. I don't want to fucking hear about it anymore. I completely tuned out. I have no idea what she said. I heard the word penthouse and I'm like, I'm out.

Lori (07:52.89)
But listen.

But she she brought those plans with her.

Kelli (08:01.75)
Of course she did. It was an overnight stay at a friend's house for a girl's night. Of course she brought her sketches of her new apartment. She is this is the Heather I dislike so much.

Lori (08:07.248)
Yeah. So so they have the so they have the penthouse. Right. So they have the they have the penthouse and now she bought the whole apartment underneath them. The whole apartment below them.

Kelli (08:23.8)
Does anybody care?

Does anybody other than the real estate who is obviously her son Nick, who's gonna make a boatload of commission, even care? So so so far this season, Heather has talked about Max, her child. I don't know what her pronouns are, so I don't wanna get them wrong, getting an apartment.

Kelli (08:51.16)
to live in while she goes to law school. So we saw that scene in a real estate office. And now we're seeing sketches of her new apart like this is every year with her.

Lori (09:06.852)
And they talk about the how they sold the other house for fifty five billion or some shit. Who knows

Kelli (09:14.99)
So we get it, you have a lot of money. Congratulations.

Lori (09:19.736)
How about Vicky and her confessional saying how? She took two days off from work. Well guess what, bitch? You're getting paid for this job too. So I don't know what you're talking about. You are at work.

Kelli (09:29.165)
I love.

Kelli (09:33.132)
I loved when Tamara was like, You called out. Who'd you call? Yourself? Yeah. Yeah. She said she's gonna Venmo request Emily and Jen for what she spent on the weekend. So she does the math and it's a thousand dollars. So she's gonna Venmo request each of them two fifty, which I highly doubt she did. But the fact that she even said it is ridiculous.

Lori (09:36.9)
Self.

Kelli (09:57.003)
Shannon does say that Vicky pokes at people and Vicki's like, okay, but I apologize. So this is the next morning. This is the next morning at Vicki's house when Emily and Jenna left. Shannon's like, you do poke at people, and Vicki's like, Okay, but I apologize. So move on. And then she says, I didn't go on and on about the Debbie Downer thing, and now it clicks. So this is why we kept seeing her say, I'm not a Debbie Downer, I'm not a Debbie Downer. She called me a Debbie Downer.

Lori (10:06.32)
Mm.

Kelli (10:25.474)
Because they probably wanted to make a point of why yes you did drag that out

Lori (10:29.156)
Well yes you do. Yes you do. Mm-hmm. And look, you you can't be an asshole and just think that since you apologize it's all good. It's not how things work.

Kelli (10:42.774)
Unless remember, she didn't even apologize. Remember?

Lori (10:47.426)
Right. No, she didn't even apologize. She just tried to pretend like it she didn't even nothing happened.

Kelli (10:52.374)
Yeah, because she didn't apologize and she said she apologized, and Emily's like, Did you apologize? Ridiculous. So then we see Emily talking to Shane, and he immediately asks her what's for dinner and then corrects her on how she took the trash out and didn't put a new bag in. Now I'm not gonna lie. This is a pet peeve of mine. Not if like, listen, if Eric takes the the trash out and puts it in the big garbage can and then comes back in and puts a bag in, okay, but

Lori (10:59.8)
Mm.

Kelli (11:22.006)
Eric has a poor habit of like taking the the trash bags out of the garbage is and the bathroom and our bedroom and not relining them with a new one. It's a little bit of a pet peeve of mine. But listen, I'm willing to let it go because the guy does a lot of laundry around here. He really does. But it did seem like Shane went kind of went r all in on her.

Lori (11:30.154)
And not religion them with the no.

Lori (11:37.956)
Right. Right.

Lori (11:45.616)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (11:46.579)
And Emily says she wishes Luke would do more things outside of the house. And Shane's like, Well, I don't ask. I just make him do it. And then she says he started a new treatment of IV with antibiotics for the swelling on the brain from the pandas. And the last time he was up all night vomiting. So she's putting off rescheduling the next round.

Lori (11:54.032)
There you go.

Kelli (12:09.836)
So then Shane in a confessional says he makes a lot of sacrificing for the sake of the household and he wishes Emily acknowledged that. And then Emily in her confessional says Shane's always defensive. Listen, it's not looking really good between these two, but it's it's so interesting to me because I was just telling Lori before we got on, I listened to Legally Brunette today with the two of them talking about the Lizzie Borden case. And they have such good banter on that podcast. Like I

Lori (12:38.256)
Well maybe it's maybe it's a thing where they can work great together but not live together great. You know what I mean?

Kelli (12:43.617)
Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, I just I do I think that this is common for people parents with kids their kids' ages. It is a very tit for tat state in your marriage, especially if you're both working, even if one's working, it's you know, I can't imagine what you know, Shane so Shane doesn't get up and go to work every day. Well, neither does Emily really, but she does have the show. So when they're filming

Lori (12:58.788)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Kelli (13:14.296)
there's more pressure on her to be away from the home. But I would imagine when they're not filming, she's probably not. So maybe this is just their dynamic when she's filming.

Lori (13:17.572)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (13:26.372)
Yeah, I don't know. It just it's just weir it's just weird and uncomfortable and like I don't really wanna see that. You know you know what I mean? Like it's just oo.

Kelli (13:28.28)
But it don't look good.

Kelli (13:37.484)
I know, but you gotta give it to her. She's putting it out there.

Lori (13:42.648)
Guess so. Yeah. No. Nothing.

Kelli (13:43.18)
You know, where Vicky eats ain't shit.

Yeah. So Jen meets Tamra for food and drinks. Tamra tells Jen about their trip, including the pullover. And and then we flash to Carmela and Emily meeting up to talk about the trip. And Emily tells her they left early and then Shannon joins them. And Emily tells Carmela that Vicky was talking smack about her on their ride to the house. And

Then Carmella gets into her and Danny and she says she loves Danny, but there's a lot of triggers. And Emily tells her that she's punishing herself by telling herself she's weak for forgiving him. And honestly, I think she's right. Like you got you gotta stick to it. Like you either forgive him or you don't, and it doesn't seem like she did.

Lori (14:31.599)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (14:35.18)
No, 'cause it just came out that they officially broke up. Which is probably good. I think so. 'Cause if you can't get past it, you can't get past it. And that's just somehow sometimes that's just how it is. But I think that, you know, th he was a big part of their lives, he was a big part of our kids' life and she didn't Yeah, and she didn't wanna write. She didn't wanna like

Kelli (14:41.538)
I think so.

Kelli (14:55.662)
Ten years is a long time. Some marriages don't stand.

Lori (15:01.708)
upset the apple. I think it probably had a lot to do with her kids too. Because he was involved in their lives and, you know, then it then it becomes like this weird thing. And sometimes you don't wanna break up with somebody because you don't want to disturb the apple cart with your kit. You know what I mean? Like it just becomes a weird thing. So maybe that was part of her deal. I don't know. But good for her. 'Cause I think it needed to be done. I mean you could see when they went to dinner together.

Kelli (15:19.266)
Yep. Yeah.

Kelli (15:24.418)
Yeah, no, I I agree.

Kelli (15:31.402)
yeah.

Lori (15:32.162)
She was so funny. It was like I like, Okay girl, look, would you go in your closet and get like your one of your old wrestling outfits?

Kelli (15:39.074)
Most promiscuous top she could find.

Lori (15:41.774)
From from WWE days. You know? It was like a wrestling top. It was funny. I was laughing.

Kelli (15:44.654)
Yes. Yes.

She was. so she does say he's been untruthful again, which we find more we find out more about that later. but Shannon's like, well, I spoke with him and his intention is to spend the rest of his life with you. So Carmela then tells them that Gina said Vicky was questioning if they even lived in the home that they visited.

Then we go back to Jen and Tamra. Jen's telling Tamara that Vicky said they were disrespecting her, but they were only trying to get her off of her laptop. And Shannon says sometimes Vicky's words get the best of her.

Kelli (16:29.782)
Yeah. So na yeah. So see what I mean? Like this. So now we're then we're back at Shannon. And Shannon says Vicki's words sometimes get the best of her. And Carmela says she's pissed and she thought they were rounding a corner, but now she knows Vicki said she probably doesn't even live in that house. So now she's pissed. and Carmella says Vicky doesn't want to talk about her and Mike, but she's happy to talk about everybody else's else in their relationships. And she's right.

Lori (16:44.035)
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Lori (16:55.088)
This is true. This is true. Yeah.

Kelli (16:57.602)
Jen tells Tamara how they left Vicky's house. And then we see Travis and Gina are walking together by the beach. Now, I think that this whole scene is because I think Gina's trying to get a spinoff or a wedding or at least an episode.

Lori (17:12.858)
Mm, mhm.

Kelli (17:14.606)
they're discussing whether or not they want a big wedding or if they want to look for their forever home. I mean, you're both in real estate. It's both of your second marriages. Do you really have to think this hard about it? You can still have a beautiful wedding. You just don't have to have a million dollar wedding. Like, come on.

Lori (17:34.149)
Right.

Kelli (17:37.538)
They would need to spend three million dollars to be comfortable with all the kids if they bought a home i where they live in their area. she says her friends think she should go for the wedding because she'll never regret celebrating after everything they've been through. Again, you don't have to spend that much money to celebrate your love for each other.

Lori (17:54.681)
No No Right, no. You don't have.

Kelli (18:01.408)
I really think she's looking for a wedding spinoff. She's not gonna get one. You're G like I'm sorry, you're Gina. You're not gonna get one. I don't even think Vicky would get one at this point. I don't think anybody's getting any more wedding spin offs, let's face it. Teresa didn't get one, she got one episode.

Lori (18:05.784)
No. I don't think so either.

Lori (18:12.118)
No, I don't think so either.

Lori (18:17.646)
Right. You might get an episode or half an episode.

Kelli (18:21.216)
Yeah. Gina would probably get a half of an episode, honestly. I don't think they'd give her the whole thing.

Lori (18:26.156)
No, I don't think so either.

Kelli (18:29.206)
So Travis gives Gina the actual ring. I really do like Travis. I am a big fan of his, especially after listening to that Bravo Docket. Like I mean, he was no angel either, but his ex wife does sound a little bit

Lori (18:44.28)
Right. Now did you see how she said, you know, he gave her the real ring instead of the mock up? But I think s I saw her on Watch What Happens Live or something. And she said that there were two rings that she really liked and she couldn't make up her mind. So he actually bought her the other one, but it was really weird looking. It was really weird looking. It was like

I think it was like a pear shaped diamond with like a square diamond like right next. It was very odd. She called it avant garde. I called it ugly A F.

Kelli (19:26.134)
Is that what her ring looked like? he had bought her both?

Lori (19:28.372)
No, the ring that they when they were going to look for the ring and having it designed, there were two options to choose from. She chose the one that he just gave her this episode. You know, he gave her the real one as opposed to the prototype. But the other one she really liked also, so he ended up buying her that one too.

So she's wearing it on the other hand, but I just you have to look at it. It was it was horrible.

Kelli (19:57.325)
Yeah, I will. I haven't wa I haven't watched any watch what happens live. I haven't watched any after shows. There's just so many shows on right now, you don't even have time to watch the other stuff. Yeah. that is interesting though. I'll have to look that up. Yeah. so yeah. We're now we're at the hacienda on the lake and Carmella and Danny are there. And she says he's happy and laughing and she's very comfortable with him.

Lori (20:05.39)
I know, it's too many. Yeah. Yeah.

Lori (20:11.098)
Well it's horrible.

At least I think it's all right.

Kelli (20:25.912)
But she's still holding on to what he did. And Danny says his goal is to get married, but she didn't seem very into that. And she said she holds on to anger. And then she asks the waiter if he's married. He's like, I'm engaged. Guy's probably like, What is she looking for a threesome? she says there are underlying issues that Danny needs to work on after he cheated on her. And so she says recently.

He had messages with a woman he was going to meet at a property. She was a real estate agent and she asked him, Have you ever dated her? And at first he said no. And then he was like, Well, we've been on one date.

so she c she says she caught him in a lie. I guess she caught him in a lie, 'cause at first he was trying to say no. So he was lying. I know, was he lying just to just to avoid like, you know right.

Lori (21:18.946)
Yeah, but you know, i listen, sometimes the drama, right. But sometimes something colors something so badly that you can't come back from it.

Kelli (21:33.25)
Right. Right.

Lori (21:35.404)
And so be it, you know.

Kelli (21:37.964)
He says they should go to therapy and and go on more date nights and she agrees to couples therapy. but she's only gonna give it six months. Well I guess the six months is up.

Kelli (21:52.109)
So here we have Heather and Terry and her mom going to their apartment, and Heather and Terry spent fourteen million dollars on their apartment, and honestly, they paid more than they should have. Who the fuck cares? Again, I completely check out of the scene. I I can't hear about the DeBros real estate anymore. Bravo, do something.

Do something about this.

That's it. That's all I have for that scene. Her mother says a couple of funny things. Heather doesn't find it funny.

Lori (22:29.358)
Yeah, that's it.

Lori (22:35.566)
No, not at all. Yeah.

Kelli (22:36.918)
Yeah. Then Tamra goes to Vicki's house and Vicky tells Tamara that she was in an IV treatment for four hours the day before and she had to call out sick today from work. And again, Tamara says, Who did you call yourself?

Lori (22:52.568)
And you are at work right now, Vicky.

Kelli (22:52.874)
And that's your laptop right there. Tamara says that Jen told her on the trip Vicky lost her mind and kicked them out of her house. Now, this is Tamara twisting something that someone said to make it seem worse to the person she's talking to. Jen did not say, unless we didn't see it, she did not say Vicky lost her mind, right?

Okay. Vicky says they were picking on her in the kitchen and she felt like she was gonna have a heart attack.

Kelli (23:32.842)
She can really play the victim. Right, Vicky. For more reasons than one.

Lori (23:34.288)
Then you go to the doctor. Go to the doctor then.

Kelli (23:41.49)
She she says she wouldn't have everything she has without working so hard. She's not wrong, but her her ho her job is her identity and she acts like nobody else works and it's annoying.

Lori (23:55.287)
Mm-hmm. Certainly certainly not as hard as she does.

Kelli (23:59.341)
Right. Like Carmela has a real estate career. Gina has a real estate career. Who else is on the show that works? I don't I don't know. Whatever. Vicky says that Jen and Emily were like, don't look at our lives, but we're gonna poke at yours. It was complete the complete opposite of that. It was the complete opposite.

Lori (24:22.416)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (24:27.684)
The the only thing that Vicky can control in her life

is her career. And that is why she is so fixated on it. And the it's always I me personally, I find it a very telling quality in a person when they are so into their career. Because I could be an NBA player or I could be a maid scrubbing a toilet.

I am still me. And there is a lot to me besides whatever I to me, whatever I do for a living is inconsequential. It's secondary. It ha it it has no bearing on who I am as a person and and the things and the things that I value in my life. So to me, when I encounter somebody who is like that, to me it's very telling. And

Kelli (25:12.332)
Secondary. Right.

Kelli (25:19.288)
As a person. Yep. I totally agree.

Kelli (25:31.33)
Well it's a Right.

Lori (25:31.49)
And I don't look it as a good thing. I look at it as a detriment. I look at it as a red flag.

Kelli (25:35.907)
Well right. Right. Because unless you have so much financial responsibility that you have to work like that, there's probably some underlying issue where you are acting the way Vicky acts at least. I'm not saying that everybody who works hard is like that, but people who use their career as their identity, for sure, it might it might be because of an insecurity.

Lori (25:58.499)
It's a problem. It's a problem.

Lori (26:04.004)
There's something there must be something lacking in your life because the well rounded, well adjusted person does not look at life from that aspect because there's way more to life than whatever you do for a career.

Kelli (26:15.478)
Yeah. Well, and listen, there are people here's the thing about Vicky though. Here's the difference. Cause I know I do know people who are like so enthralled in their jobs and are proud of themselves for the career they made for themselves and they should be proud of themselves because they hustle and they bust their ass. The difference is Vicky judges everybody else.

Lori (26:36.378)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (26:40.876)
So you might be that hardworking person who is super, super proud of yourself as you should be, but you're not judging anybody else. She's judging other people. Yeah. And and using her job as an excuse to not engage with people while you're being paid to engage with people on a show.

Lori (26:50.116)
That's where the problem lies, yes.

Lori (27:03.917)
Is another problem.

Kelli (27:05.374)
Yeah. Yeah. So then Vicki says she feels less than sometimes, and Tamara tries to gas her up. And Vicki says, I've had three engagements and they didn't work, and I can't be in a toxic relationship. Honestly, it all comes back to men with Vicky. And damn it, if she she's she's fearful to have another failed engagement.

Lori (27:25.626)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (27:31.7)
Everyone's so far away from her, her kids, her sister, her brother, she's always alone.

Lori (27:39.629)
Again, that's another problem. You have to be comfortable being alone. Nothing in life nothing in a life is a guarantee. People die, shit happens, people break up. Like y you know what I'm saying? Like that's another thing. Like you can't be you can't be somebody who's

Kelli (27:47.576)
Yes, for sure.

Kelli (27:56.675)
Yeah.

Lori (28:06.144)
So afraid to be alone.

There's a lot worse things.

Kelli (28:12.074)
Absolutely. And, you know, Tamara tells her she needs to talk about it with someone. And Tamara, you know, says, like, it's very hard when your kids leave the house and there's no kids home alone. Like, we don't know that feeling yet. I will be devastated when my kids leave the house. I mean, I kid about it now. although I am definitely making the smaller bedroom. If Tess leaves first, Joe can get the bigger bedroom and I'm making his bedroom into a closet slash office for myself. You heard it here first. But

Lori (28:22.288)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (28:38.873)
Nice.

Kelli (28:43.126)
Vicky's very insecure about not being in a marriage. And Tamara's like, you put so much, you know, she puts so much pressure on herself that she puts up with a lot of things from men because she wants to be loved and she's worried Mike's gonna leave and it's actually hurting their relationship. And Vicky thinks if she and Don never left Chicago, they would still be married. And she got caught up in the wrong things in California. Now

Lori (28:53.808)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (29:10.274)
I knew they met in Chicago. I didn't know that they were I didn't know they were together in Chicago. I knew that they knew each other from Chicago. And once she divorced her kid's father, Don somehow they they found, you know, they saw each other somewhere and Don said, like, are you divorced yet? And she said, Yeah, actually I am.

And then they got together. So I didn't realize I thought Don lived in California by the time that had happened and she moved out there with the kids. I didn't realize they went out together. Doesn't matter, but it is very, very clear that she regrets leaving Don Gumbelson.

Lori (29:50.038)
clear as a bell.

Kelli (29:52.821)
And Don, we miss you. So if you could find it in your heart to forgive Vicky. I feel like we would have a much better Vicki if Don would just forgive her and get back together for crying out loud. He still sees her kids. He's like a grandfather to her daughter's kids.

Lori (30:06.02)
You know what?

Lori (30:11.726)
Vicky needs to be right with herself. Vicky needs to be right with herself before she's ever gonna be right with anybody else. And she's not, which is really sad. It's really sad that you could have like a great career and be successful and be beautiful and but yet you're s you're she's not a she's not a happy person. She's really not.

Kelli (30:12.763)
Don, do us a solid. Yeah, I agree.

Kelli (30:24.247)
I know.

Kelli (30:37.538)
I know. No, she's definitely not. I mean you're w we're watching her on two shows right now and we're w we're watching her it's actually kinda sad. We're watching her so unhappy on both shows.

Lori (30:51.824)
Yeah, it's crazy.

Kelli (30:53.014)
Yeah.

Lori (30:54.512)
So I don't know.

Kelli (30:59.542)
Honestly, I can't even believe I'm gonna say this, but I thought Tamra was a very good friend in this situation. Like said good stuff.

Lori (31:05.178)
She was very right right, yeah, I was surprised too. I was like look at you. Look at you.

Kelli (31:12.576)
Nobody is more shocked that I just said that than myself.

But listen, it is what it is. But all in all, not a bad episode. I really can't take the Du Bro real estate stuff anymore though.

Lori (31:30.0)
All right, duly noted.

Kelli (31:31.734)
I can't I can't stomach it anymore. No, enough for crying out loud. Nobody cares where you live.

Lori (31:34.48)
Can't take it anymore.

Lori (31:39.812)
Well.

It's her it's part of her shtick, so we will see more.

Kelli (31:45.268)
It's that's her like that's her insecurity. That's her thing. Like, you know, Miss Fancy Pants has to have the fancy it's sexy. What? A fuck a f a a a an apart a a penthouse? Like what are what are you talking about? I can't stand her when she's like that. I was starting to like her.

Lori (31:48.922)
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Lori (32:05.572)
Right, and now it's swung the other way.

Kelli (32:07.998)
Ugh so quickly.

Lori (32:10.532)
Well, you know.

Kelli (32:13.09)
But thank you for watching and listening. That's it for this evening. I don't have anything else, do you?

Lori (32:15.278)
Yes, thank you.

Nada.

Kelli (32:20.13)
The good news is is Wendy should be back soon for everyone who's asking and we appreciate that you're asking and so does she. She'll be back soon.

Lori (32:22.904)
Yes, when they should be back.

Lori (32:27.247)
Yes. All right, so we'll talk again soon. Bye.

Kelli (32:30.904)
All right. That's right. Bye.