RHOC Reunion Part 2: Clearing the Air (Or Not)

Wendy (00:01.568)
Welcome to We Wine Whenever, I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:04.148)
I'm Kelly.

Wendy (00:05.954)
We are talking about Real Housewives of Orange County, season 19, reunion part two. But before we get into that, it is BravoCon weekend. We are recording this on Sunday. You guys will hear it tomorrow on Monday. So just, haven't, I've been busy this weekend, so I've only seen bits and pieces of BravoCon.

I did see, but I don't know what it's about. Supposedly Sheena had a fight with somebody from Southern Charm in a green room at BravoCon. I don't know what the details are about that, but I'm interested to find out what that's about.

Kelli (00:46.335)
Why is Sheena even there? She's not on any Bravo show. Why is Robin Dix in there?

Wendy (00:50.348)
Well, a Brava, yeah, once a Brava Leb, always a Brava Leb. They bring them back. mean, I was watching, what's her name? the Stu, the Chief Stu from Below Deck, what's her name? Kate, Kate, I was watching Kate. So she was doing a couple of panels and she was talking to Jeff Lewis. And Jeff Lewis said that he's already pissed off Andy.

Kelli (01:03.837)
Kate Chastain.

Wendy (01:16.14)
like Andy's pissed off at him. said he thinks that it's better off if he does not host any more panels because he's good with meeting people and taking photos, but I guess he speaks his mind a little bit too much when he hosts panels. I heard he said something about Monica Garcia and being on Snap benefits and not, yeah. And he apologized, he apologized.

Kelli (01:41.023)
The thing is, that Jeff, you can, yeah, like you can give your opinion, Jeff, just don't be a dick. That's being a dick.

Wendy (01:47.284)
Right. Right. And that's what he does. Like that's that's who he is, you know.

Kelli (01:52.511)
Yeah, and I get Andy's point, like do it on your own show, but when you're a Bravo employee hosting a show, you can't, know, Andy would never say anything like that for crying out loud.

Wendy (02:03.264)
Right, right. And the big news that's come out obviously is that Teresa and her brother Joe have made up. We've seen them together on the red carpet. We've seen Melissa talking about it. We've seen Margaret talking about it. I haven't seen Jen Fessler talking about it yet, but again, I really haven't watched that much because I've been very busy this weekend. But it is on Peacock and I will go back and watch it.

our friends, husbands watching Housewives Get Back will have them on and they can give us their honest opinion of the behind the scenes and you know, if they got to meet the people that they wanted to and Captain Jason, I saw him talking to Heather and you know, he's maintaining that there was no, that they're just friends. That's what he's maintaining.

Kelli (02:56.395)
Yeah, well, he doesn't want to mess up his chances of getting hooked up this weekend. He doesn't want to be that guy. He doesn't want to be the kiss and tell guy. Heather's totally the kiss and tell girl, though. I mean, especially with somebody like Captain Jason. mean, that's, you know, that's top tier.

Wendy (03:01.164)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (03:05.686)
Right. Right.

yes.

that's the other thing. Yeah. The other thing I saw is a new love hotel cast came out.

Kelli (03:18.354)
who is it?

Wendy (03:20.158)
It is...

Kelli (03:22.987)
Is it Heather?

Wendy (03:24.174)
Porsche, Heather, Porsche Williams, Heather and.

No, not Ashley. shoot, I can't remember.

Kelli (03:34.409)
No, she had your chance. No double takes, no double dos.

Wendy (03:37.546)
No, not Ashley. I gotta look it up. Wives, Love Hotel it's called, right? Hold on, let me look it up.

Wendy (03:53.792)
sh- no not Shannon, what is wrong with me?

Wendy (03:59.88)
Sonja. Heather, Sonja, and Porsche. Only three.

Kelli (04:06.975)
That's a bold move putting so many on there.

Wendy (04:09.614)
I know. I know. I know.

Kelli (04:12.839)
especially putting Sonya on there without Dorinda, Ramona or Luan to kind of reel her in if necessary. You know what I mean?

Wendy (04:24.876)
Yes. Yes. I hope this is true. I hope this isn't fake.

Kelli (04:28.063)
because that could get real messy.

Wendy (04:32.674)
Yes, it could.

Kelli (04:35.283)
which I'm sure Bravo's hoping that it will.

Wendy (04:35.778)
Yes, you could.

Yeah, I mean, I'm here to see Sonia come back though. I kind of miss her.

Kelli (04:44.081)
I miss Sonya too, I just wanna see a healthier version of her. Like I miss Dorinda too, but unless Dorinda doesn't drink, I don't wanna see Dorinda on TV ever again either. I don't know what I was watching, but it was all, they started showing clips of Dorinda over the years and she had some moments where, I mean, I don't like to say it.

Wendy (04:48.982)
I do too.

Kelli (05:12.275)
I don't like to see it. listen, just the other night, drank too much. I was out for my daughter's birthday and my husband and my daughter had to get me out of there and I'm sure I was very embarrassing. But that's so embarrassing to me and I wasn't on TV. Like I couldn't, I don't know. I don't like to see that. And honestly, that's why the old Ronny Cass got the boot anyway because nobody wanted to see a bunch of drunk old women.

Wendy (05:30.766)
I know, I don't like to see that either.

Wendy (05:40.728)
Yeah, you're right.

Kelli (05:41.193)
And I put myself in that category, by the way. I'm not, you know.

Wendy (05:47.394)
Yes. And it was also announced that Still Flipping Out is coming back to Bravo, which is Jeff's series, and the Valley Persian edition, and that Lala and Schwartz are full-time Valley members for season three. And I'm trying to think what else was announced that was kind of big news.

Kelli (05:48.757)
But that's

Kelli (06:07.115)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (06:12.117)
So I guess Lala and Sheena are still not okay, right?

Wendy (06:16.276)
No, they're still not okay. They're not okay. And I actually saw Kristen talking about it a little bit and she was saying that she doesn't really know what it's all about. She hasn't really had those conversations. Karen Huger came out and I thought it was ridiculous that she got like cheers and like a standing ovation. Like they were happy to see her. I'm like, it's really not great. Not great.

Kelli (06:44.149)
This is where we're at in this country, in the world right now. This is where we're at. It's not a good place to be.

Wendy (06:46.08)
I know.

Wendy (06:53.932)
Yeah, and Wendy, no, and Wendy Osefo was there and she really wouldn't speak on it, but.

Kelli (07:02.003)
I did see her say that, you know, she and her husband tell their children when, you know, things happen to them, in games and stuff like that, like if they're losing a game, like chin up. And that's why she went to BravoCon because she was keeping her chin up. Again, not speaking on it, but you know, she's facing hard times and she's not, yeah, right. She's not gonna hide. I mean, listen, she knows.

Wendy (07:23.958)
Right. Not hiding.

Kelli (07:31.314)
she knows if she's guilty or not. you know, Bravo extended the invitation, she accepted it. You can't fault her for that. Same thing with Karen. This is, we're supporting Bravo. All of us are supporting Bravo. I told Wendy I'm not gonna talk about the Joe Gorga and Teresa Giudice reunion reconciliation because I don't have very many nice things to say about it.

Wendy (07:44.662)
yeah.

Wendy (07:58.062)
Actually, you don't have any nice things to say. No nice things.

Kelli (07:59.988)
I have no nice things to say about it. I really don't. I will not watch Jersey if they bring Teresa back. quite honestly, now I don't really have any interest in watching Melissa and Joe either. But whatever, that's that. But we're supporting, and I'm including myself, we're supporting Bravo. And this is what Bravo does. Bravo rewards bad behavior.

Wendy (08:23.15)
Yes. Yes, this is what happens. I do also admit that I had a bit of FOMO. The couple, like it looks like everyone's having a great time. Like it does look like it's a fun place to be. So yeah, so I am still putting it out in the universe that I would like to go there next year with VIP and just say I did it.

Kelli (08:39.195)
bravo, Con. Yeah, for sure.

Kelli (08:47.775)
Maybe we should do a vision board, a WeWine Whenever vision board. I think we should do that.

Wendy (08:51.63)
There you go. Okay, we will. We'll definitely work on that. We'll do that. So now we're gonna talk about the OC reunion. We kind of pick up where we left off where, yeah, exactly, exactly. With Gretchen, know, her and Gretchen are speaking and Andy says to Tamara, you know, you bring up, you know, shit about people that happened in the past.

Kelli (08:55.391)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Kelli (09:00.895)
Yes.

Kelli (09:05.247)
camera flying off the handle.

Wendy (09:18.934)
And of course, Tamar's like, no, I don't, I don't do that. then Gretchen and Tamar really are literally screaming at each other. Well, not so much Gretchen, but Tamar is screaming and she's calling her an effing liar and just, again, acting erratic, completely erratic. They don't really get a resolution. So Andy puts a pin in that. And then he brings up

Kelli (09:38.303)
Yeah, very erratic.

Wendy (09:48.462)
the old picture that Tamra brought up of Jen and the story about the hair extensions. And I thought Jen actually handled herself very well. She's like, feel like, Tamra, you don't like me and that's okay. Honestly, thought Jen really addressed it well. I thought that she was very calm about it. I thought she was articulate about it. I thought that she was clear about.

you know, where her relationship with Tamar lies.

Kelli (10:19.029)
This is the way you have to handle Tamra. She's like a toddler throwing a tantrum. So you have to remain calm. And you're right, articulated herself very well, especially when Tamra accused her of buying the house two doors down from her. And Jen was like, what are you talking about? Like, Tamra never even lived in the house she was talking about. Even Andy was like, okay, but you never lived there.

Wendy (10:25.794)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (10:48.713)
Like, none of it made sense what Tamara was saying. She was spiraling. And I really do feel like Andi was getting very annoyed by her.

Wendy (10:52.833)
It didn't.

Wendy (10:58.924)
Yeah, I do too. I do too.

Wendy (11:04.479)
And Gina, I like that Gina did stick up for Jen too. She's like, know, I never, Jen never came across to me as like someone who was, you know, thirsty to be on the show. And Andy even said, so what if she wanted to be on the show? What is wrong with that?

Kelli (11:17.053)
Exactly. There's a million women. Look at David Badour's wife. Have you seen this shit with her? Putting up a picture of her holding an orange and then putting a post up like, could be at BravoCon in two hours and I have all the tea. Yeah, and I have all the tea and I'm ready to spill. Like, this is thirsty. That's thirsty. But Jen doesn't go to great lengths to stay on the show. Like, she doesn't change who she is.

Wendy (11:31.434)
I didn't see that.

Kelli (11:46.23)
to try to stay on the show. That's when you're really thirsty to be on the show, like Tamra. Like Tamra's desperate to be on the show to the point where she just is nasty and goes way below the belt.

Wendy (11:48.44)
Right.

Wendy (12:00.013)
Right.

definitely does and there's no reason for it. And even so much as she goes, they get the whole thing settled about the house, she's like, well, you went to my doctor, then you went to my hair salon, then you wanted to do a fitness competition. And they show those old scenes of Jen and Tam are having the conversation. Look, that we never saw before Jen was even on the show.

Kelli (12:05.183)
Right.

Kelli (12:28.169)
Right, right.

Kelli (12:33.097)
Right.

Wendy (12:33.346)
before Jen was even on the show. It's like, come on.

Kelli (12:37.923)
She she's a lot. Tamara's a liar. She's a liar. I mean, that that whole that whole thing just proved it.

Wendy (12:47.554)
Yeah. And then a viewer asked Gretchen if she sees a parallel with Tamar being jealous of Jen's looks, like she was jealous of your looks. I thought Tamar was going to blow a gasket.

Kelli (13:01.663)
Me too. But it's so true. It's so true.

Wendy (13:06.947)
Yeah.

And then it comes up again about the picture and Heather's trying to defend the conversation where it came up. That that really wasn't the whole conversation. The whole conversation was a lot more entailed than that. That was one small part of it. And that, you know, she was...

Kelli (13:28.939)
There was a lot of crying because they were talking about Teddy and it wasn't a good time for her to say, you shouldn't do that. So she couldn't reprimand Tamara or call her out for doing something wrong because she was so distraught about Teddy.

Wendy (13:32.928)
Right.

Wendy (13:45.954)
Right, right.

Kelli (13:48.222)
stop it.

Wendy (13:50.914)
But then Emily asks Tamar, what was the real intention with the photo? Was it just to say that Jen had changed? Shannon said, well, in Temecula, you admitted that you did it to be shady. And not until Shannon said that did she say, well, yeah, I did. I did do that.

Kelli (14:04.479)
Yep. Yep.

Wendy (14:13.358)
Listen, I don't know, this whole thing going back and forth. mean, I did like that Emily did bring up that when the whole situation came up with the fat photo and Jen said, listen, this was a point in my life when I was busy with my kids, I wasn't working out. Like, I don't even care what the, I don't care what it looks like. Like, I don't even care what the photo looks like.

Kelli (14:32.671)
Right. Yeah, I was raising a family. I was being a good mother and a good wife.

Wendy (14:38.816)
Right. And Emily said that how that really resonates with her because this past season when she's watching herself back, she's not in the best shape because she's had so much on her plate this season with her son. And she was kind of in the midst of everything, not taking care of herself. you know, she found strength in what Jen said to her, which I really liked, honestly, that she said that. I did, because I'm not really happy with Emily this season. I think that she's a big pot stirrer.

Kelli (15:03.179)
Right. Right.

Wendy (15:08.918)
I think that, you know, I don't know.

Kelli (15:11.313)
I think Emily was doing Tamra's dirty work and I think Emily stopped doing Tamra's dirty work and I think that's what we're going to see at the end of this reunion is Tamra going at Emily because she's not her little minion anymore. That's my personal feeling, but we have to wait and see. But Tamra brought up that Jen had an affair at her old yoga studio with an instructor. Like just making shit up. But meanwhile.

Wendy (15:25.656)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (15:35.34)
Right.

Kelli (15:41.181)
It was a big fucking deal when Gretchen said that Tamra had sex with the boy band guy when she was separated. But Tamra can throw this out about Jen, that she had an affair while married to Will before Ryan. This is okay.

Wendy (15:54.05)
Right, right, right. But then she does say, know what, I didn't really have evidence to back that up, so I really shouldn't have said it.

Kelli (16:05.067)
Right, but you've already put it out into the universe. You've already said it. So now, Will is gonna question whether or not this happened, and it could start a whole big thing between she and Will. This is why nobody trusts Tamara, because she lies, she's a liar.

Wendy (16:06.742)
You already said it. Right, exactly. Exactly.

Wendy (16:22.808)
Then Andy asks Jen if she has a date yet for her wedding and she's like, no, but she is not in any rush to get married. And to be honest with you, everyone kind of agrees with her. There is no rush for her to get married to Ryan. Like they're in a good place. They're in a good place. Then he brings up about what she said in Amsterdam about how she's worried about if she'll be enough for Ryan when she gets older. And he asks Gina, you said that.

Kelli (16:35.081)
now. Right.

Wendy (16:51.788)
you think because Ryan over sexualizes things like do you think that that's the reason that I was like, God, like Andy, why do you do this? Like seriously, why do you do this?

Kelli (16:59.349)
I

now.

Wendy (17:04.172)
But listen, what came out is that Jen and Ryan are doing great. They actually had a sit down with Will. He took accountability for not being there for his kids financially and physically. She has 100 % custody of her children and she is financially the breadwinner for her children. listen, she's doing great. She's doing great.

Kelli (17:11.371)
That was amazing.

Kelli (17:31.263)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (17:33.804)
And I'm happy, I'm happy for her. I'm happy for her.

Kelli (17:36.105)
No, me too, I like Jen. I feel like she's like a Laurie Peterson story. You know what I mean? Doing the best she could and although Laurie was single for a while, I think Jen went right from Will to Ryan, but whatever, it is what it is. But you like to see the comeback stories and Jen's having a comeback story, I like it.

Wendy (17:43.203)
Yeah.

Wendy (17:52.715)
Right.

Wendy (17:57.27)
Right. and the other thing that was announced is that Vicki's getting a full-time Orange for season 20 and she accepted. I mean, we were not surprised about that. We were expecting that.

Kelli (18:02.724)
yeah. Yeah.

No, we're not surprised. makes sense. I mean, if you're going, if you're going to make a big deal about the 20th season, yeah, bring her back. If you're not going to make a bigger deal about the 20th season, then don't worry about it. Just, you know, flounder like you have been with this O.C., I guess. I really wish they would get rid of Tamara, but it's not going to happen, I guess.

Wendy (18:16.236)
Yeah.

Wendy (18:25.538)
Mm-hmm.

But I'm telling you, now that she's coming back, I feel like the Trace Amigos might be back too.

Kelli (18:35.215)
I think, I don't know, I think Shannon's too smart for that. I think Shannon's gonna maintain her friendship with Vicky the way it is, but she's gonna continue to keep Tamra at arm's length as she should. As she should. Mm-hmm.

Wendy (18:47.394)
hope so. I hope so. Yes, I hope that that's true. I hope that that's true. Then it came up that Gina had said that about Shannon, you know, that she was concerned about her falling back into her old ways. And Shannon said, you know, I was really hurt by that because I'm 100 % accountable for my actions. And she is.

Kelli (19:09.961)
Yes.

Wendy (19:10.762)
And she's like, you don't, I'm good. Like you don't need to worry about me. And Gina's like, well, no, like, you know, it's cause you live alone. And you know, she's like, I go out with my dad twice a week. And then Gina was like, well, I mean, I was on the phone with you and you fell. And I was just like, well, I mean, she is a little klutzy. could see, you know. Right, right.

Kelli (19:25.451)
Yeah, I mean, we've seen Shannon fall all season. And there wasn't alcohol involved. I mean, maybe there was, but we didn't know.

Wendy (19:33.462)
Right, right. So I am glad that Shannon is in a good place. I think she is in a good place. I think she's fine. I think she's all good. Then Andy brought up about Gina specifically kind of shading Heather's career and her comedy aspect of it and her acting. And I thought it was interesting when Heather was explaining herself.

Kelli (19:41.044)
I do too.

Wendy (20:01.376)
Andy was having the side conversation with Shannon because Shannon has to go to the bathroom and Heather reprimanded him. I was like, right. And Andy's like, yeah.

Kelli (20:07.211)
For sure she did. She's like, this is important. I have no idea what she was even saying. I could care less.

And again, Heather, what do you care if you, Gina, like, I mean, Gina was funny in her confessional when she was like, I was in fourth grade. I mean, it's just a funny, like, I just think that Gina tries to be funny and that actually was funny. Like, who cares? Just, do you think you're not gonna get roles because Gina on The Real Housewives of OC is making fun of your acting or your comedic energy? Like, no.

Wendy (20:17.55)
you

Wendy (20:26.54)
Yeah.

Wendy (20:35.906)
Yeah, no, I agree.

Kelli (20:46.857)
you're not gonna get passed over for roles for that.

Wendy (20:50.2)
Well, I do think it was funny though after Heather reprimanded Andy and he's like, you do know that she was on many sitcoms. you know, he was again sticking up for her. Right, yeah, he was there, he had her back.

Kelli (21:00.265)
He defended her. Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (21:09.518)
Didn't they all go on a break?

They come back from the break and they show a bunch of fun scenes where they're, you know, doing, they're on the bikes and they're playing volleyball and they're doing the lymphatic drainage massage.

Kelli (21:27.433)
Yeah, I liked when Andy asked Emily what Shane thought of the male dancers and she said he did not like watching that, but he's gonna let it go.

Wendy (21:37.006)
Yep. And then they show her with another male dancer a couple seasons earlier. I was like, oh, I did too. I did too.

Kelli (21:41.611)
I forgot about that. I forgot about that.

I liked when they kept asking Andy about the cock ring. He's like, well, it makes your dick look bigger. And who asked them? Somebody was like, wait, but doesn't it make it like more pleasurable or something? So whoever was asking, maybe it was Gretchen, obviously knows, but Andy's like, I don't know. I don't use it. Like, exactly. He's like, for crying out loud, get the spotlight off of me.

Wendy (22:08.974)
He's like, this isn't about me.

Wendy (22:16.451)
Yeah.

Kelli (22:17.163)
Gina did look amazing in that dress though. I guess when they went to break, like she stood up, that was a stunning dress. yeah, cause now we see them go to their trailers.

Wendy (22:20.147)
she did. And she stood up. Yeah.

Yeah.

Wendy (22:29.474)
Yes, it's lunch break, they go to their trailers, Matt pulls up and then he meets up with Katie in her trailer. She's happy to see him. Shannon goes into Jen's trailer and she's eating her own chicken that she brought with her, not the craft services there. And she's asking like, what is going on with Tamar's hatred towards me? Like she really is going hard for Shannon.

And I think Jenna's right because Shannon will not accept the apology from her and move forward and be her friend.

Kelli (23:04.328)
yeah.

Oh yeah, that's 100 % it. For sure.

Wendy (23:08.93)
Yes, that's it. Yeah. What I was confused about is this whole thing with Katie and someone named Nicole trying to get information about Ryan and the feds that they were talking about. Do you have any idea what that is?

Kelli (23:28.925)
Okay, so remember Ryan's friend is going to jail for the bookie. So this is him and his wife is Nicole. So they must have been somewhere and Katie went up to Nicole and said, I wanna ask you something and you have to promise not to lie. Was Ryan involved in Matt's illegal bookie business? And Nicole must have said no and Katie was like,

Wendy (23:34.518)
Right. Right.

Kelli (23:59.52)
like disappointed that she didn't give her the answer she was looking for. And then Nicole told Ryan that Katie said they really want you on the show, so let's get together so we can talk about it.

Wendy (24:17.432)
They want Nicole on the show?

Kelli (24:18.837)
They want Nicole on the show. Now, it is in Bravo's wheelhouse to want someone who has a criminal for a husband, because we've seen it on Jersey, to be on the show, but who the fuck is Katie to be recruiting? Like, I think Katie, if this is true, if what Jens and Ryan,

Wendy (24:41.58)
Right.

Kelli (24:46.313)
you know, what Ryan reported to Jen is true, it would be Katie probably trying to like butter her up and be like, yeah, let's get together. But not, you know, but so she could get like dirt on Ryan. Cause I do believe Jen when Jen was like, Katie and Tamar probably wanted to come into this reunion with something in their back pocket that I wouldn't see coming.

Wendy (25:11.766)
Right, and Shannon said, you gonna bring it up? And she said, yes. She's gonna bring it up. She's gonna bring it up.

Kelli (25:16.179)
Right. Which she hasn't yet, but hopefully she does. Yeah.

Wendy (25:21.026)
Well, matches came out though, matches came out and I'll be honest with you.

I'm a bit disappointed that Slade and Ryan didn't come.

Kelli (25:34.56)
You know, I don't think Ryan is really a factor in this. I mean, he was at the dinner at Mastro's, okay, but he did not insert himself anywhere this season. Smartly, didn't. But I agree with you, I'm very disappointed that Slade didn't show up because Slade has been on reunions in the past and he's never shied away from it before. So why this time?

Wendy (25:49.218)
You're right.

Wendy (26:04.856)
Right, because he was invited.

Kelli (26:07.52)
For sure.

Wendy (26:08.952)
He was invited.

Kelli (26:10.015)
And I don't think Ryan's ever been on a reunion. saw somebody else ask that question and the answer was no. So I didn't fact check it. I don't think he's ever been on a reunion. And I think it's because of Tamra. Because he got so much heat. Yeah, and he's gotten so much heat from.

Wendy (26:24.588)
It could be, it could be, because she's toxic. She's so toxic.

Kelli (26:31.467)
talking about her even on podcast that if he comes to a reunion he's gonna have to face off against Tamra and then he's gonna look like a bad guy for yelling at a woman.

Wendy (26:40.674)
Right, there's nothing he can't win in that situation.

Kelli (26:42.475)
He can't win, he can't win. However, Slade can't say that right now because it's Matt who he would have had to face. So if you're telling the truth and you got nothing to be scared of, then he should have showed up. Because this wasn't about him and Tamara this time, it was about him and Matt. Yeah.

Wendy (27:01.25)
That's right. That's right.

Wendy (27:06.456)
So after lunch, they're talking and...

Andy asked Jen if her and Katie have spoken since they wrapped and she's like, no, they haven't. And you know, Andy agrees and I agree too that it's sad because they were friends. mean, they were talking every day and Katie said she feels like that Jen hung her out to dry. And they bring up...

the video that Jen and Gretchen about that video that Jen and Gretchen did with the the the music playing yeah the the music playing in the the background it was like kung fu music or something like that and I guess Katie had made a comment that it appeared to be racist she wasn't calling Jen racist

Kelli (27:34.677)
video.

Kelli (27:41.781)
They like kickboxing or something. Yeah.

Wendy (28:01.518)
But she had made the comment that it appeared to be racist. And Jen took that as she was calling her racist. And she's like, you know who I am. That is not who I am. Katie said, no, I...

Kelli (28:12.107)
Well, she has an adopted child of color. I mean, to call her a racist would be, I'm not agreeing with what they did in the video, but if she thought Katie was calling her a racist, I could see where she would be so hurt by that. But I don't think Katie was calling her a racist.

Wendy (28:16.225)
Right. Right.

No, no, and they're not either.

Wendy (28:26.261)
Yeah, no, I totally get it.

She wasn't, she absolutely was not, she was not. both Jen and Gretchen apologized to Katie and Katie accepted their apology. And I think that when Andy asked Jen, like, were you thinking? And she's like, you know what, we weren't. And I think that that is true. I don't think there was any malice. I don't think that this was like thought out. I don't think it was, I don't think it was.

Kelli (28:47.541)
Yeah.

Kelli (28:54.622)
No.

Wendy (28:58.028)
But Jen said, you know, you are so hell bent to Katie on that Rufy story at Mastro's. Like, that's where they don't agree.

Kelli (29:06.613)
Yeah.

Wendy (29:08.844)
I feel like...

Wendy (29:13.236)
That's such a stupid argument at this point. Because, well, somebody's lying. They were in a public restaurant. was several months before Katie or Jen even knew Gretchen was gonna be filming. Like Gretchen wasn't even a part of the OC at this point, right? She wasn't, it wasn't even a thought in anyone's mind.

Kelli (29:16.693)
Well, somebody's lying. That's the problem. And we don't know who is.

Kelli (29:37.535)
Right, right.

Wendy (29:43.338)
I'm sure it was sad. why would Katie make that up?

Kelli (29:49.884)
Why would Jen... You think Jen's just not saying it because she just doesn't want to have these issues? Like, she just wants to be okay with all the girls? And Katie's clearly on the outside of everybody, except Tamara now, of course. Like, Jen just doesn't want to get... I mean, she said to her at that sit-down, everything's getting very messy around you.

Wendy (30:19.182)
She said that and like was pointed out when they were in New Orleans when it came up, the first time it came up, Jen said, I never heard of this naked wasted. I don't know what you're talking about. And then the next night,

Kelli (30:38.539)
She didn't say that though. She didn't say, don't know what you're talking about. She said, I don't even know a lot about that naked wasted. That's what she said. She didn't say she doesn't know anything. And I know it's just semantics, but I think that there's a big difference. She didn't say, I don't know anything about that. She said, I don't know much about

Wendy (30:54.829)
No, you're right.

Wendy (31:03.16)
Right.

Kelli (31:04.043)
But then she and Gretchen clearly could have had a conversation from one night to the next where she filled her in, right?

Wendy (31:09.878)
Right, right. And then that's when she said, well, I remember Gretchen saying that she was very sick, that maybe she should have gone to the hospital. Because now this is what they're stuck on, is that whole phrase about whether she went to the hospital or whether she didn't go to the hospital. But the fact that she's saying that Gretchen said she was so sick the next day means that she heard the conversation.

Kelli (31:39.923)
Right. Right. Yeah.

Wendy (31:41.43)
Right? Like, that's what doesn't add up to me.

Kelli (31:48.139)
Yeah, I think Gretchen and Slade for sure 100 % told this story.

Wendy (31:49.324)
And I don't know why.

Wendy (31:54.924)
do too, I do too. And the fact that Katie is not allowing Jen to not own it is what's the problem between her and Jen. Because Jen is saying, no, that she didn't say that even though she's already kind of told us that she said that.

And Katie's like, I'm just done lying. I'm done protecting people. This is really what happens and I'm just gonna put it out there whether you like it or not. But then I don't know why in the same, like in the same moment that this is all happening, then Andy brings up the Sheena thing.

Kelli (32:34.109)
Yes, that was only on Peacock by the way. Did you watch this on Peacock?

Wendy (32:37.934)
I watched it on Peacock, yeah. Because you told me to watch it on Peacock. Okay.

Kelli (32:40.405)
So first I watched it on demand and then the next day I'm like, me just watch it on Peacock, not take notes, just see if I pick up on anything. This was the only thing on Peacock that was not on on demand. Him bringing up Sheena Shay. He did not bring it up on demand.

Wendy (32:57.451)
Okay.

Wendy (33:02.52)
That's interesting. And like, why did that have to be brought up now, like in the midst of this reunion? Like it just didn't even make sense.

Kelli (33:03.753)
Yep, that was the only difference.

Kelli (33:12.969)
I don't know, but Andy also said on Peacock that this did not air on demand as well or on cable. Andy confirmed that Gretchen came back because when she was on the girls trip, on Ultimate Girls Trip, the network decided they wanted her back. That was not said on Comcast and it was said on Peacock.

Wendy (33:13.55)
And the whole.

Wendy (33:21.537)
on DVR, right?

Wendy (33:27.139)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (33:34.754)
Yes, that was the other thing that was said. Yeah.

Kelli (33:36.649)
Yes.

I mean, Andy basically had to mansplain the naked wasted resurrection because it's so confusing. And this is what I want to say. I don't want to think this hard with housewives. I don't want to play the game clue when it comes to housewives. I want to sit back. I want to see affluent women have fun with their friends and you know, once in a while, drink too much and say something and maybe some little caddy fights.

But this is, it's too much. It's too deep, it's too dark. I don't want it.

Wendy (34:18.902)
No, I totally agree with you. I totally agree with you.

Kelli (34:23.913)
I just don't want to think this hard. I never had to think this hard when Housewives first came out.

Wendy (34:30.358)
Yeah. I mean, the fact that Matt showed up and Slade did, and Andy asked, why isn't Slade here? Because at one point, Matt's trying to tell the story and Gretchen keeps interrupting him.

Kelli (34:42.139)
absolutely over and over, very frustrating.

Wendy (34:44.654)
I'm like, this is ridiculous. It wasn't a conversation with you and Matt. It was a conversation with Slade and Matt. So you are not the one to interrupt him.

Kelli (34:52.553)
Right. how about the fact that Jen's like, cause we're not going to go there cause I could bring something up and you're not going to like it. And Gresham's like, I'll bring it up. You said that the second after you met Eddie, he was gay.

Wendy (35:06.926)
Did see the look on Tamra's face?

Kelli (35:08.546)
my God, I thought she was gonna fall off the couch. I thought she was gonna fall off the couch. But by the way, did Andy say it? Like, why are we saying he's gay? Like, it's a bad thing. Like, it is very insulting that...

Wendy (35:11.502)
Yeah.

Wendy (35:20.718)
I mean, it's a bad thing if you're married to a woman. I mean, that's why it's a bad thing. If you're married to a woman and you are in a relationship with a woman and you're actually gay, I think it's a bad thing.

Kelli (35:24.661)
Yeah, yeah.

Right, right.

Kelli (35:36.181)
Yeah.

And it's not a known lavender marriage. But maybe it is. Maybe Tamara and Eddie have a lavender marriage.

Wendy (35:42.538)
Right. Well, if it is, but well then that if you're on a reality show, then let us fucking know and we wouldn't care. We wouldn't talk about it. We wouldn't talk about it. Like this is.

Kelli (35:49.618)
Exactly. Just like Seth and Meredith, if you have an open relationship, just say it. And then people will stop bringing up the fact that your husband had a mistress in an Uber. Like, them. Say it before they could say it to you. Eight Mile, come on.

Wendy (35:56.526)
Just tell us! We don't care!

Wendy (36:05.037)
Right.

Wendy (36:09.142)
Right, right, right. Well, honestly, you know what? Margaret was the queen of this on New Jersey.

Kelli (36:16.715)
Absolutely, that's why I love Margaret. There's nothing you can say to Margaret that's gonna get her so upset. mean, Danielle saying she was a bad mother, that upset her because it's not that she's a bad, but she was very honest about the situation with her children. In her book, she was very honest. I totally agree with you. That's one of the best things about Margaret Josephs. She plays the game well. She owns it.

Wendy (36:19.202)
Right, she came on the show.

Wendy (36:34.679)
Right, right.

Wendy (36:43.598)
Just own, just own your shit. Just put it out there and own it. That's all. That's all we ask.

Kelli (36:48.425)
Yep, she makes Renna proud, she owns it.

Wendy (36:51.668)
I don't care. I don't care. Honestly, I don't care what goes on in your bedroom. I don't care. It's none of my business. I don't care.

Kelli (36:58.693)
Honestly, it makes you more interesting We are middle-aged housewives in Brick, New Jersey If you tell me that you're in a lavender marriage, I'm interested in that. I want to know what's going on there

Wendy (37:02.318)
Yeah.

Wendy (37:07.692)
Right.

Wendy (37:14.36)
Right, I do too!

Kelli (37:16.127)
You're in an open marriage? Amazing! Tell me how that works!

Wendy (37:21.292)
Right. I think we may get some of this stuff with Rhode Island, to be honest with you. This is what I'm hoping.

Kelli (37:22.665)
It's interesting.

Kelli (37:28.267)
I'm very much looking forward to Rhode Island. I hope Jersey never comes back now because Rhode Island is going to be a perfect substitution

Wendy (37:31.414)
I am too.

Wendy (37:38.828)
Yeah, listen, I'm here for that too. I'm here for that too.

Kelli (37:41.801)
Yeah, unless, you know what, listen, move New Jersey over to Princeton. That kind of area. Let's see how those women roll.

Wendy (37:50.254)
don't know, do think there's interesting women in Princeton, New Jersey?

Kelli (37:53.512)
I there's interesting women in Princeton, New Jersey. And they're all like academics, but they're smart women with their own careers. Listen, I'm not saying that this isn't in other places in New Jersey. I'm just saying Princeton is a very academic area. Yes. Let's get some professors on the show or judges. Come on now.

Wendy (37:57.974)
Okay. Not that I'm shading. Yeah, I'm not that I'm shading.

Wendy (38:20.024)
Judges?

Kelli (38:21.119)
Yeah, maybe. Maybe.

Wendy (38:23.874)
I don't know. I don't think I want to see a judge let loose. I don't know. Yeah, maybe, All I can say is I just came back from Atlantic City. I was gone for two nights and three days in Atlantic City with two of my other girlfriends who I've known forever. And we spent two nights in valleys and we never laughed so much.

Kelli (38:28.299)
I do, but maybe because I've worked for lawyers for 30 years.

Kelli (38:34.611)
mmmm

Wendy (38:51.222)
It's just we get together and we laugh and we have so much fun and there's shenanigans everywhere we go. And we were on the boardwalk with the petty cab guy. when we go down there, every time we go down to Atlantic City, what does she call it? Pam brings money with her for acts of kindness. She just brings money because she likes to give money to people that need it. And I, you know, I should have taken out my camera because I'm watching her run over to give this guy money. This guy's hugging her on the street. He's

crying and I'm just like, this is who she is. Then we're walking down the boardwalk. It's the wind is at us. It's freezing. We're laughing. She sees two people. She goes and wakes them up and the guy's like, and she's giving them money. It's just like, my God, the stuff that we do. And we laugh. And I was like, if we had a camera following us, there's the mannequins that are out on the boardwalk. I have no idea why they have mannequins out at the boardwalk, like at nighttime.

Kelli (39:48.905)
Well is it for those stores that-

Wendy (39:48.984)
but these mannequins, yeah, those stores that have like the cheap crap, right? So Pam, the mannequins have no head. So Pam goes behind the mannequins and Pam is very tall. I think she's like 5'10", but the mannequins are even taller. She's standing on her tippy toes, holding the boobs of the mannequin with her head sticking over the top and her body behind them. I'm just like, this is the stupid shit that we do, but you know what? We have fun and we laugh. Like that's what I want to see.

Kelli (39:53.555)
Exactly. Yeah.

Kelli (40:17.013)
That's all that matters. Yep.

Wendy (40:19.104)
I want to see women do funny stuff and laugh. my gosh. And then we went to a place called, we're looking for, we're looking for edibles. And Jerrolyn's got her phone out trying to figure out where this place is and we're getting these directions and Pam is driving. And then I'm like, it says it right here, high roller dispensary. Why do we keep driving past this place? Let's just stop. So we stop at high roller dispensary. We get out, there's like a

guy at the front door and we're like, what is this place? Like we don't know what it is. Like there's a guy at the front door and he's, we're like, what do you do? Like, can we go in there? goes, yeah, but I need to see your ID first. And I'm like, all right, he needs to see her ID. Piaf's like, well, I gotta get my ID, it's in the car. So she goes and gets her ID. I'm like, wait, he thinks we're not 21? I mean, like this is not really a thing. Like why does he need her ID, right?

So he takes our ID, he scans our ID, and we're like, we don't really know what we're looking for. We don't know what to do. Because, you just go in there and there's a kiosk, but it's really busy in there. If you guys need help, after I scan your ID, I'll help you in this kiosk over here, and you can order what it is you want to order. So we're like, okay, so we go over the kiosk, and we order what we're going to order. And Gerald's like, well, I want to pay cash. I was like, why do you want to pay cash? She's like, I just want to pay cash. I was like, all right, we're going to pay cash. I thought so too, but not anymore. No, you could have paid Apple Pay, you could have paid whoever.

Kelli (41:36.971)
I thought dispensaries were a cash only business.

Wow.

Wendy (41:44.642)
So then we get inside, because that's where we're going to get the stuff after we place the order on the kiosk. We get inside, and I feel like we're in an Apple store that smells like weed. I mean, the place reeks of weed, right? But it's set up literally like an Apple store. You know how there's counters in the middle with little things, like an Apple store. But it's just there's crystal bongs and like.

Kelli (41:55.283)
Right. Obviously.

Kelli (42:04.319)
Yeah.

Wendy (42:10.55)
pretty paraphernalia and different kinds of edibles and weed and I don't even know. I don't really know, right? Lots of options, lots of options.

Kelli (42:19.827)
Right. Lots of options. Lots of options.

Wendy (42:26.094)
I don't know where I'm going with this story, but anyway, so then we're waiting. We're like, what do we do? Like, are they gonna just call us? Like, you know, she wants to pay cash. So all of a sudden we hear, Jerry Lynn. I was like, oh, that's you. So she goes over and she pays cash. Then her and I are out to dinner later. She's like, I don't have any cash on me. Like, do you have cash? I'm like, yeah, I have cash. I said, if you don't have cash on you, then why did you want to pay cash? Why did you insist on paying cash when you were at the dispensary?

Kelli (42:37.631)
It's us.

Kelli (42:50.869)
You're right.

Wendy (42:53.934)
because I did not want my name associated with it. I was like, but you put your name!

Kelli (42:57.181)
I was gonna say, or maybe she didn't want her husband seeing like, what the hell'd you buy at a dispensary? You know, he wouldn't care, he wouldn't care.

Wendy (43:01.966)
No, he wouldn't care. He wouldn't care. But I was like, you put your name in there with your phone number when we put it in on the kiosk. I was like, they already got you. She's like, okay. It was just funny. It's just, know, like these are the shenanigans that happen with middle-aged women who are actually friends who go out and have a good time and, you know, are harmless. But you know who was there? Amish Outlaw.

Kelli (43:19.637)
That is funny. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kelli (43:32.66)
really?

Wendy (43:34.124)
They were at Bally's in like the yard the same night that the freestyle was at Hard Rock. we went, Gerald and I walked, no, we took a ride on one of those rickshaw things over to the Hard Rock because it was too far. And it was so busy. Like that lobby bar that we love was so crowded. That whole area in front of the escalators was, cause like they didn't actually go in yet. I was like, no, it's too crowded. It's too crowded. So we left and went back to Bally's, but we had a good time.

Kelli (43:45.611)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (43:50.803)
Yep. Yep.

Kelli (44:03.807)
Nice.

Wendy (44:03.834)
And that's what I like to watch is people my age having a good time. Right. It's lighthearted. mean, yeah.

Kelli (44:08.715)
Yes, this is what I'm saying. Yeah. Yes.

Stop, it's just all trying to dig shit up on people, talking to the content creators. That's way crossing the line. It's just, I don't know. It's just not what it used to be. It's way too much.

Wendy (44:25.538)
Right.

Wendy (44:28.974)
Great, great.

Wendy (44:34.318)
I know it's too much. It's too much. mean, and Matt and Gretchen, didn't even get to finish it because there was so much yelling going on. mean, the last thing I...

Kelli (44:43.337)
No.

and then Katie blames Jen for fucking with her paycheck? Fuck you, Katie. Whether Gretchen said it or not, listen, Jen's not getting involved. She's not fucking with your paycheck. You went to Kiki Monique. You were talking about these women the entire off season. You fucked with your own paycheck.

Wendy (44:49.912)
paycheck, yep.

Wendy (45:10.284)
Yes, I agree with that. And I still think what you said to beginning is true, is that she didn't think she was coming back.

Kelli (45:15.721)
Yeah, I really think so.

Wendy (45:17.888)
I do like that Andy clarified that Kiki Monique is not a blogger.

Kelli (45:23.311)
Of course he's gonna- he wouldn't do that for anybody else but because she's on Radio Andy he's like, me make this clear.

Wendy (45:29.986)
Right, right.

Kelli (45:32.256)
Whatever.

Wendy (45:33.868)
Yeah, so I don't, mean, guess, listen, we have one more episode left to this reunion. I'm aggravated that we have to wait until this last episode to find out exactly what is going on with Tamara and what Gretchen spent all these thousands of dollars. And did she really, or is this all bullshit too?

Kelli (45:54.826)
Yeah, I am looking forward to Tamara's reaction to the last scene though, where this person, but you know, of course now they're saying like, you know, it could be anybody, it could have been Slade on the other end of the phone. Here's the problem though, with AI, you really don't know. You don't know what to believe anymore.

Wendy (46:16.737)
No you don't.

Kelli (46:17.993)
Like, you know, on social media, on the news, anything. Because Tess and I were having a conversation last night. I'm not even going to bring up what it was about because I don't want to get into it. But that's, I said that to her. I'm like, but I don't know if I believe that. And she was like, what do mean you don't believe that? I'm like, Tess, with AI, like anybody can say anything. Somebody may not have even said those words. They might have said those words and somebody pieced them together to make that sentence.

It's crazy!

Wendy (46:49.58)
No, I totally agree. And that's the problem. That is the problem. The amount of misinformation that is out there online, whether it be on social media or even beyond what people consider to be the news. Like when I have a conversation with Matt, the first thing I, when he tells me something, the first thing I say to him is, is your source? Where did you get this information?

Kelli (46:57.705)
Yeah.

Kelli (47:04.884)
Right.

Kelli (47:15.552)
Right.

Wendy (47:15.822)
because we had this whole conversation the other day about that new temple in Princeton that we were supposed to go to. And when he told me his source was the New York Times, I said, okay, I believe it. If your source is the New York Times, I 100 % believe it. But there's so much crap out there and people don't check it. They don't check it. They just see the bullshit and they run with it. So it is hard to know.

Kelli (47:37.823)
Right. Absolutely.

Wendy (47:42.816)
no matter what it's about, whether it's about a housewife or whether it's about a political leader or whether it's like, it's just, it's insanity. You don't know what to, no, you don't. It really is.

Kelli (47:47.293)
Exactly. You don't know what to believe. It's horrible. It's horrible. And AI is not going anywhere, and so this is only going to get worse.

Wendy (47:59.948)
Yeah, it is. think that we need to, we all need to be educated on AI. We do. I feel like we need to be educated. Like how do we, how do we detect it? I know that there, because that came out on the reunion too. When Katie said that Gretchen sent me an AI text message, a chat GBT text message. And Heather's like, wait, you can run chat GBT through a detector to see if it's like, she had no idea, but yeah, that's out there.

Kelli (48:26.591)
Yeah, I find it very hard to believe that Heather was not aware of this when she has kids in college because obviously you can't use chat GBC in college because professors are using the opposite software to detect artificial intelligence. Like how does, how was Heather not, although you know what? I take that back.

Wendy (48:33.004)
I don't.

Wendy (48:40.13)
Detect it.

Wendy (48:46.264)
Do you think she's having, she's not having these deep conversations with her kids.

Kelli (48:48.891)
She's not having these conversations with her kids. I'm sure when she talks to her children when they're away at college, she's just updating them on their latest real estate transactions. So I take it back. This doesn't surprise me at all.

Wendy (48:57.67)
Hahaha!

Wendy (49:02.294)
Yeah. Yeah. But that, yeah, but this is where we're at in this world. Like, we don't know.

Kelli (49:08.075)
Yeah, I don't like it. I don't like the AI. mean, you know, use it for what you got to use it for, but I don't know.

Wendy (49:17.484)
No, I'm with you.

Kelli (49:17.771)
My Nana said 20 years ago, the internet's gonna be the, the internet's the devil, the internet's gonna ruin the world. My Nana said that.

Wendy (49:29.784)
She knew it, your Nana was right.

Wendy (49:34.264)
All right, so I don't have anything else on OCDU. Okay, okay, we have nothing else then for tonight. Thank you for watching and listening. Please subscribe and only give us a five star review. Bye.

Kelli (49:36.66)
No, I do not.

Kelli (49:40.853)
That's it.

Kelli (49:46.316)
That's right. Bye.