Wendy (00:01.07)
Hi, welcome to We Why Whenever, I'm Wendy. We are talking about Real Housewives of Orange County, season 19, episode 17, season finale, A Source of Discontent. Yeah, I think that's about right. Yes, it is.

Kelli (00:03.963)
I'm Kelly.

Kelli (00:18.226)
very good title. We support it.

Wendy (00:22.828)
We start out Amsterdam day three. Gretchen's on the phone talking to Slade. She's saying that she's feeling better today because she had ended the night prior, was kind of emotional between her and Tamara. really didn't, they really didn't get to a resolution. I mean, honestly, I don't think they ever will get to a resolution. No, no. I mean, I.

Kelli (00:40.797)
Not at all.

Never now. I think that's a safe thing to say at this point.

Wendy (00:50.57)
Yeah, I mean, honestly, after the last few episodes, I had decided there was no way these two were coming to a resolution just based on who they are. It's just never gonna happen. But definitely not after we saw this whole episode.

Emily's telling Gina that she couldn't sleep last night because Shane had called her and he was taking Annabelle to soccer and Luke didn't want to get in the car and he kind of lost it on his kids. And she feels so bad because Shane never loses it. I get that. Like I so get that, you know?

Kelli (01:25.66)
I get that, but what I didn't like was that she said to him, what do you want me to do? I'm not there. And I know she said it from a place of guilt, but that shouldn't have been her response. I don't agree with that being her response to him. Like he was just, we do it all the time. I do it all the time. Like I call Eric and I'm like, I just go off and I don't need him to say to me, well, what do want me to do about it? Like, mm, mm mm.

Wendy (01:47.446)
Right. Right. Just calling to vent. Right.

Wendy (01:55.16)
Tell me it's okay.

Kelli (01:56.86)
Right, be like, listen, I get it. I know what's going on right now is very frustrating, but it's gonna probably last for a couple of minutes. Just kind of try to take deep breaths and get through it, because 10 minutes from now, it could be a completely different situation. I mean, I'm not judging anybody's relationship or parenting, but I just thought that was like, I wouldn't want somebody responding to me that way.

Wendy (02:25.646)
I totally understand what you're saying. think that she just, listen, you have said this and it's so true. Like everyone responds to things differently. Like you've said, like if there's a crisis, don't call you. Right?

Kelli (02:39.056)
for sure. Yeah, I mean, you know, remember Eric got hit by the drunk driver and called me and I was in CCD and I'm like, I'm teaching CCD right now. Yeah, like worst responder ever.

Wendy (02:45.964)
Yes. And you're like, I'm in CCT. Right. Right.

Right. So what I'm saying is this may be Emily's issue. You know what I'm saying?

Kelli (02:57.232)
Absolutely, it's very true. Good point, very good point. And honestly, I do think that her response was coming from a place of guilt, which she shouldn't feel guilty about because she's doing her job by filming a show and they happen to go to Amsterdam on a trip and she couldn't foresee the fact that her son was going to be in the middle of this mental health crisis right now, you know. But yeah, no, you're right.

Wendy (03:08.416)
Yes! Yes!

Wendy (03:18.56)
Meltdown. Right. Right. Right.

Kelli (03:24.08)
She probably is just as good of a responder as I am in moments of crisis.

Wendy (03:24.302)
Yeah. So listen, we like to give a little grace and Gina's telling Emily, listen, like she has to take care of herself too. And so does Shane, which is good advice. Like they both do. They both need to give themselves grace. Like when it involves your children, it's never easy and everyone's emotions are different and everyone reacts to things differently. And sometimes you do just need a cheerleader.

Kelli (03:38.366)
Yeah.

Kelli (03:53.224)
Yeah, you know, it's hard to put it in perspective, but it's like you have to remember that everything's temporary. You know, what's going on right now is temporary. 10 minutes from now, it could be a completely different scene in your home.

Wendy (04:02.604)
Right.

Wendy (04:09.524)
Exactly, so true. So they're getting started for the day and Jen, Tamara, Gretchen and Emily are gonna go do this giant swing thing. Okay, I would not do that. The other ladies are going to do something else. So on the way to the giant swing, they're talking about Shannon and how funny she was in her Spanx and how funny she is in general. mean, Emily said, know,

you know, Spanx kill me, they just meaning herself, they just redistribute like your weight. And she's like, it's kind of like, you know, a muffin container when you pop it open, everything pops out.

Kelli (04:51.806)
Do you remember that reunion where Phaedra almost passed out because she was so binded in her Spanx in that dress? Yeah, there was a reunion where Phaedra was like getting dizzy. And I believe it was like from like she was just binded. I'm pretty sure it was Spanx. I'm not saying anything negative about Spanx. I have them. I have Spanx pants. I have a Spanx bra. I have Spanx stuff, but.

Wendy (05:00.908)
I don't remember that, no.

Wendy (05:16.043)
No.

Kelli (05:22.408)
Too much can be too much.

Wendy (05:25.378)
Like I said, Shapermint is the way to go.

Kelli (05:27.814)
Yes, I love that. She from a thing you gave me.

Wendy (05:31.03)
good. Good. I love Shaperman. Anyway, back to O.C. So when they get to the giant swing, Emily and Jen are going to do it together, which leaves Tamara and Gretchen to ride the swing together. And Emily did that on purpose to put them together. And Gretchen said that, you know, Tamara's been torturing me mentally for years and now she's torturing me physically. I get that.

Kelli (05:48.774)
Of course.

Kelli (05:58.398)
I love how they keep saying that about each other. You've been coming at me for 12 years, you've been torturing me for 12 years, you know.

Wendy (06:01.462)
Yeah.

Wendy (06:07.874)
It makes them feel better about the situation. So Shannon, Heather, and Gina, they've decided that they're going to do mushrooms and then they're going to go to this maze.

Kelli (06:08.222)
Whatever. I guess so.

Wendy (06:20.822)
my God, Shannon and mushrooms is almost as funny as Shannon and space cakes.

Kelli (06:27.112)
I think that when the picture of Heather as the old lady popped up, that was so funny. And here Shannon is like this glamor, like they had her looking like Marilyn Monroe. That was so good. Whoever did that, whoever was running that maze, that fun house, had it out for Heather, for sure.

Wendy (06:42.714)
It was so funny.

Wendy (06:51.444)
It was good. was so here for that whole interaction. It was so good.

Kelli (06:54.811)
Me too.

Wendy (07:03.786)
So, okay, so Heather says, you realize with Tamar and Gretchen, you know, they're together. And Gina says, you know, I felt bad for Gretchen last night. And Heather said, well,

She said this in her confessional, she didn't say it to Gina, she said, know, Gretchen doesn't like to apologize. Well, neither does Tamara, just would like to point that out. But somebody had to, and Gretchen did wind up apologizing, she did apologize. Shannon's sitting there saying, what are those drums? Like, are you hearing the real Housewives music? That was the funniest thing. And then they start playing, they're playing it for us. And the other two are like, what are you talking about? She's like,

Kelli (07:25.276)
Right. Right.

Kelli (07:47.166)
She's like, that's the theme song!

Wendy (07:50.35)
That's the art, that's the real housewives theme. I was so funny, it was so funny. And I was like, guess the mushrooms kicked in and Gina said the same thing. And supposedly, I guess on the reunion, they tell Andy that she was talking to the, she thought she was talking to the producer, but she was talking to a plant.

Kelli (08:14.534)
my god.

Wendy (08:14.954)
I want to do space cakes and mushrooms. Not at the same time. With Shannon Baddour. Not at same time. With Shannon Baddour. Oh my god. She is so much fun. She really is.

Kelli (08:18.792)
with Shannon. Right, Peace yourself.

Kelli (08:27.698)
He is so much fun. This is what we want to see. I want to see housewives doing drugs.

Wendy (08:33.39)
I do. It's so much fun. What's so funny to me is that even when Heather does them, even Gina, you could see Heather's a little off, but not like Shannon. It's just like Heather still stays composed, even Gina does.

Kelli (08:35.932)
at least trippin' on mushrooms.

Kelli (08:50.834)
now.

Kelli (08:57.074)
Be like it enhances your personality. So Shannon has that personality. Like she's goofy, she's a goofball. So it just enhances it and intensifies it, where Heather's obviously more reserved. But it loosens her up enough.

Wendy (09:01.838)
I don't know. Yes! Yes! Yes!

Wendy (09:11.51)
Yeah, I mean that's that's a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah

Kelli (09:16.574)
And Gina, God forgive me, but I say this as a term of endearment, she's a little bit of like airhead-y. So I think that that comes out more, you know? And I don't mean that as an insult because I think it's a great, I think, you know, she's got a good personality, Gina, when she's not doing somebody else's dirty

Wendy (09:27.82)
Yes, she is a little bit. Yeah, yeah.

Wendy (09:41.996)
Yes. So they go through this maze and this maze is dark, but yet there's these bright neon lights and Shannon's laughing and they're looking at the pictures. There's like pictures of them in all different forms, older, crazy hair, just like you said. mean, Heather's was old. Shannon, like you said, looked like Marilyn Monroe.

Kelli (09:59.167)
That was so good.

Wendy (10:06.158)
Then back at the swing, Jen, Emily, Gretchen and Tamar are all done with the swing and they all, you know, they go inside to get a drink. Gretchen says to Tamar, listen, you know, I've lost a lot of people in my life due to cancer. And I thought now that you're going through this and you're dealing with this with Teddy, that you would, you would kind of understand, you know, what it feels like. And Tamar said, listen, I'm, you know, I'm really sorry for, what you're going through. And

you know, I'm sorry for hurting you during that time. And Gretchen said, well, you know, thank you. Thank you for saying that. And then Tamar says, well, can we get like a friend contract? Like, can we sign a friend contract? And then she asked ChatGBT to come up with a friend contract for her and Gretchen Rossi. And then she starts reading it back, what ChatGBT came up with. And there was an addendum.

adding Slade that I will not talk about Slade, which I thought was hysterical because you know damn well that, that, know, chat, they did come up, chat GBT did come up with that contract.

Kelli (11:05.128)
That was very funny.

Kelli (11:10.174)
Sure, I'm sure I could type it in right now and it will come up.

Wendy (11:13.942)
Right. So I thought that was hysterical. So the ladies all get back to the hotel and Shannon and Gretchen go for a walk. And Gretchen telling Shannon about the ladies making fun of her Spanx.

Kelli (11:16.264)
So funny.

Kelli (11:30.021)
think she did that.

Wendy (11:32.738)
Well, why do you think? To get them on her side? To get Shannon on her side?

Kelli (11:38.354)
I didn't like that.

Wendy (11:40.182)
No, I didn't either. I didn't either.

Kelli (11:42.685)
because it wasn't anything malicious. You know what I mean? It was silly. It wasn't anything that's gonna hurt Shannon. I mean, you know, of course on the surface hurt her, but like, it's not like them saying that they have a video of her crashing into that house, you know, like last year, like what the things they were doing last year.

Wendy (11:48.046)
It wasn't. No. It was silly.

Kelli (12:06.982)
the things they were saying behind Shannon's back. This wasn't malicious, this was just silliness and I don't think it needed to be repeated to Shannon. Let her see it on the show and deal with it then.

Wendy (12:17.388)
Right, no, I agree. I don't think it needed to either. And Tamar and Gina are walking and they're talking about the friendship contract and Gina says, well, I keep going back to the post that you showed me that she liked. I'm like, okay.

Kelli (12:31.582)
So here, like, is it one post? Is it multiple posts?

Wendy (12:38.232)
We don't know. Yeah.

Kelli (12:38.492)
Well, you know what? We'll get there. We'll get there. I have a lot of questions about the post.

Wendy (12:43.692)
Right, so Gina says, know, a big part of me is thinking that that's still not, maybe not true. And Tamara said, well, listen, don't bring it up tonight. Leave it for tomorrow because we're gonna be on the plane in the morning. So don't do it tonight. And then in the meantime, Emily and Heather are going to Heather's parents' house so that they can bring the ashes so that she can sprinkle them in the canal there. And they're standing outside there and they're talking.

And this guy comes out and Heather, or actually Emily says, Heather's parents used to live there. And he's like, would you like to come in and film? Because obviously he can see the cameras are all there.

Kelli (13:22.76)
Well, and he had to sign a disclosure saying that they could come in and he would be on camera. They don't realize that we know this by now. did you want to come in?

Wendy (13:26.838)
Yes. Yes, exactly.

Right, right.

Yeah.

Kelli (13:37.362)
because you just signed a paper saying that you were gonna come in? I was gonna let you come in?

Wendy (13:40.47)
Yes. So John P. John Pierre lets them in and she gets to see the house. I liked how they showed the side by side pictures of what it was like when Heather was there and what it looks like now. I thought that was very nice. She tried to FaceTime her mom, but her mom didn't answer.

Kelli (13:50.013)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Wendy (14:02.776)
Heather's talking about how she didn't really have a lot of warm, fuzzy, beautiful memories about her father, but she said, you know, we do share a birthmark. And then she, I think she said this in her confessional though, that she had this autograph book when she was a child and he wrote in her autograph book a note and said, always remember that in your ear, you have the dot in your ear and we will be together. Love, dad. I was like,

Kelli (14:31.944)
Yeah, this story about her dad is getting more more interesting. So, I mean, it's definitely leading up to something, but you said on a podcast, she said that she can't say anything until her mom's gone, right? She like promised her mom that. This is really interesting to me.

Wendy (14:44.16)
Yes. I don't, yes, I don't know. It does, I don't know so much as that she promised her mom that or she's doing it out of respect because her mom, she knows how her mom feels about it. Yeah.

Kelli (14:55.974)
Yeah, it's just, the whole thing's very interesting to me.

Wendy (14:59.872)
Yeah, it is interesting too. Emily says, you know, I just felt abandoned by my parents. Like I would like to be able to share, you know, her mom's still alive.

Kelli (15:08.74)
I know, every time Emily, as angry as I get at Emily sometimes, every time she talks about her upbringing, it does make me very sad. Like I just remember her saying like, there would be nothing in the refrigerator when she left for school. Like, just, that breaks my heart. I mean, not having the means to feed your children is one thing, but having the means and choosing not to.

Like Mary from Salt Lake City. To me, it seems like a similar situation. Although I think Emily's mother had mental health issues, I don't think Mary's mother did. I think that was a different choice she was making. But that just breaks my heart. We have kids, we're moms, and I think that that's what makes Emily the empathetic mother that she is.

Wendy (15:50.083)
Yeah.

Wendy (15:56.226)
Yeah, no, I totally agree. I totally agree. So Heather says that, you know, she doesn't want to hold on to this anymore. And so she sits down at the edge of the canal. And again, another funny moment, know, Heather, Emily sits down there with her and then Heather's like, I kind of want a moment to myself. And she's like, well, I can't get back up again. I'm just going to have to scooch over. Again.

Kelli (16:18.302)
I

Kelli (16:22.686)
That was so funny. Yes. Yes, absolutely. And yeah, because it's impromptu. It wasn't planned, it wasn't produced, it wasn't, you know, reshot five times so they could get it right. Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (16:25.012)
Another funny moment. Like these are the moments I like. Like this was real.

Right, right, right. Those are the moments I like. So Heather says, know, dad, think you did the best you could and you love me and I hope that you're at peace and maybe drinking a glass of Cabernet and smoking again. Love you, dad. And she dumps the ashes. And it was emotional. Of course it was. It was emotional.

Kelli (16:58.696)
Yeah.

Wendy (17:01.262)
In her confessional, she said, you my intention was to set him free and the place that she was at like to be happy. But she said, truthfully, I feel like I'm setting myself free, which I think there's a lot of truth in that.

Kelli (17:13.778)
Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (17:19.85)
Okay, next the ladies are getting ready to go out. And then Shannon gets out of the car and as she's getting out of the car, she's got to pull down her skirt. And then her Spanx are sticking out again. I'm like, boy. I mean, honestly, at this point, her Spanx are another castmate. They're another character. Heather's telling the ladies.

Kelli (17:32.926)
you

Kelli (17:38.023)
totally another cast member. Yep, totally another cast member.

Kelli (17:44.55)
It would be nice if Spanx did give Shannon an endorsement, but she looks a damn mess in them. So they're probably not going to.

Wendy (17:55.576)
feel like, honestly, feel like they have to at this point. How can they not?

Kelli (17:58.213)
I feel like they should, Spanx, come on, hook her up. Not an episode goes by without Shannon talking about her Spanx, or somebody talking about Shannon Spanx.

Wendy (18:02.465)
Yes!

Wendy (18:08.398)
Exactly. At dinner, Heather's telling the ladies that Emily and her, you know, went to her parents' house and they got a tour and you know what they did.

Kelli (18:22.6)
Wait, did we talk about Jen telling the ladies about not being enough for Ryan because we're aging? Or does that happen at dinner?

Wendy (18:22.967)
and then shh.

Wendy (18:30.508)
That didn't happen yet. It didn't happen yet. Because the next thing that happens is Shannon says, have something I'd like to bring up because you actually told me when you guys were driving on your way to the swing, my name came up and I was told you guys were making fun of me because I wear Spanx and no man will want to date me and it pops out like a biscuit.

Kelli (18:32.348)
okay. All right.

Wendy (18:56.554)
And as she's saying that, Tamara and Emily are laughing. Gina is laughing. I mean, they're all sitting at the table laughing. Emily said to Gretchen, you told her that? And Shannon said, well, when it comes to me, I can make fun of myself. And I agree with her on that. She can make fun of herself, right? And then Tamara and Emily said, and I do think that this was true. Listen, this was taken out of context. We were mostly saying how much fun you are, and we enjoy hanging out with you.

Kelli (19:14.48)
Yeah. Yeah, she does. Yeah.

Kelli (19:25.149)
Yeah.

Wendy (19:26.4)
And that is what was happening. That is what was happening. I think that Gretchen, Gretchen spun it the way she wanted to spin it. And she said, well, I did say, I wish I had stuck up for you. Well, it wasn't anything to stick up for because it was really just kind of in jest. It wasn't anything malicious.

Kelli (19:28.338)
Yeah. Yeah, I agree with that.

Kelli (19:45.299)
And I'm sure Gretchen had in the back of her mind, like, let me bring this up. Like, let me stir this up a little bit. Like, at this point, Gretchen, yeah, at this point, you should just be sitting back and probably being a little quiet.

Wendy (19:52.022)
Right, to deflect.

Wendy (20:02.848)
Right. Right. Well, Gretchen starts to talk and Emily yells, Gretchen, shut up. You're going to piss me off and I'm going to effing lose it on you. Which I thought was a bit of a strong reaction.

Kelli (20:19.548)
I think it was a very strong reaction.

Wendy (20:22.028)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (20:23.528)
But what you said earlier, that's a good point. Gretchen was deflecting. So, you know, think about it. Even though Tamara's on camera telling Geno, don't bring this up tonight, because, you know, we got to get on a plane tomorrow. You know damn well they all went into this dinner, Heather, Tamara, Gina, and Emily, knowing that they were going to hit Gretchen with this. So if...

Wendy (20:47.45)
Heather didn't know about it. Not this dinner. Heather didn't know yet.

Kelli (20:50.424)
No, you're right, I'm sorry. You're right, Tamra, Emily and Gina. So if the conversation got derailed to something that they weren't prepared to talk about, it could take away from the fact that they were just gonna blast Gretchen with this.

Wendy (20:55.287)
Gina.

Wendy (21:07.96)
But it wasn't this dinner though, because this isn't this dinner, because it's the next day that it happens. Because it's not this dinner. So it's not this dinner. Yeah, you are off. Yeah, yeah, you're off. So it's not, yeah, that's all right.

Kelli (21:16.222)
I'm off. I'm off with my notes. Yeah, sorry. I told you I didn't take notes. Okay, okay, okay. you're right. Okay.

Wendy (21:24.566)
Yeah, yeah, it's not this dinner. So Emily says to Shannon, you know, you're my friend and I love you very much. Like if I said something that hurt your feelings and she apologizes to her like, and Shannon accepts it. She accepts it, but then she's so funny. She accepts it. She's like, all right, I'm go to the restroom. And then she gets up and they say, pull your skirt down. And she starts to walk away and there's a tag sticking out of her skirt. And I mean, again,

Kelli (21:40.194)
my god.

Kelli (21:49.628)
That was so f-

Wendy (21:51.52)
It was hysterical and they're laughing and they're like, we can't say anything now because, know, we just can't.

Kelli (21:56.287)
And you know this has happened to so many housewives, but it's just so funny that it happened to her at this moment after like confronting them about making fun of her.

Wendy (22:01.259)
Right, right.

Wendy (22:08.182)
Yes, yes. So then it's day four in Amsterdam. yes, it's day four in Amsterdam and they're either going biking or they're going shopping. So Gina, Tamar, Shannon and Jen are all going on the bikes. Gretchen, Heather and Emily are going shopping.

Kelli (22:14.138)
Okay, this must be when I started taking...

Wendy (22:33.366)
I mean, watching Shannon, watching them on the bikes was hysterical.

Kelli (22:38.436)
All of them on the bikes, at first they made it seem like it was just Shannon who was like, whoa, but really they all were.

Wendy (22:45.186)
They all were, and I think it was because I think that they had the cameras like on their handlebars. So it was the angle of the cameras that was just so like.

Kelli (22:54.886)
And you know how you drive on a different side of the road in other countries? I wonder if they were like riding their bikes on, you know, like any little thing could throw you off. And they had bikes coming at them. It was a little confusing.

Wendy (22:59.928)
Yeah.

Wendy (23:03.65)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Right.

It was, right. And like Shannon said, like the seat was a little bit high for her. listen, if the seat's too high for you and you can't really reach the pedals, you're gonna have a problem. Right, and she's like, yeah, my balance isn't that great. Listen, I get all these things, Shannon. I'm here with you on that.

Kelli (23:21.756)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (23:34.17)
And Emily tells Gretchen and Heather that after what happened with Shane the next morning, she got a picture of Shane and Luke together and they looked fine.

Kelli (23:44.84)
Right. Right.

Wendy (23:48.878)
When Heather and Emily and Gretchen are done shopping, they go to a waffle making place, because Heather looked that up online. They go make a stroopwafel. Okay. That was fine.

Kelli (24:05.458)
I feel like a lot of this was unnecessary. I feel like we could have skipped everything other than Heather, know, spreading her father's ashes. I thought that was very nice. And the last dinner, honestly. Like this episode was longer than normal. It didn't have to be. We could have left a lot of this out.

Wendy (24:16.044)
Yes, I agree. I agree.

Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (24:28.653)
Yes.

Wendy (24:32.332)
Yeah. So the thing about Jen and Ryan, so Heather says, you know, I think everyone's in a good place and maybe we end with a beautiful final dinner. But the ladies on the bike are sitting in the park having a little picnic and Gina's talking to Jen about work, about her workout on Instagram and how she liked it. And Jen says she worries because Ryan has a very colorful past and they're like, yeah, he was a playboy. She said, yeah, I worry when I'm, you know,

older is he still going to be in love with me? And Shannon, an interprofessional said, I get it. Like that's a real worry. Like we as women all worry about that. I mean, especially when you're

Kelli (25:10.866)
I feel bad for her that she worries about that though because she's gonna be putting some crazy expectations on herself to try to maintain. you can have the best plastic surgeon in the world, but you can't, you can't keep that up.

Wendy (25:29.12)
Right, no, absolutely.

Kelli (25:29.936)
And why are you worried if you're worried about him not wanting to be with you because your physical appearance may change? That's a that's a red flag.

Wendy (25:39.628)
Yeah, I mean, if they, he's that superficial, but I don't think he is. I don't think he is. Probably because...

Kelli (25:42.919)
Right. But why does she feel that way though? Maybe he's just not on camera. Maybe he is, but on camera he plays it off. I mean, I like Ryan. He's grown on me, but I worry that she, I feel bad that she's worried about that.

Wendy (25:54.85)
Well, Tamar, sit. I do too.

Wendy (26:04.194)
Yeah. I think it's something she may be putting on herself. I don't know though. I don't know. Tamar says that that's why I'd like to see you like financially independent so that you don't have to worry about that.

Kelli (26:08.71)
Maybe, maybe.

Kelli (26:17.884)
Yeah. Right. Right. Because maybe...

Yeah. Yeah. Well, she should do whatever she can to become more financially independent because. Yeah.

Wendy (26:29.902)
I totally agree with that. I totally agree with that. Then they're getting ready to go to the final dinner and Shannon is talking to her glam squad, which by the way, I think that was the only night she had glam. I didn't see her with glam any other time.

Kelli (26:41.16)
Yeah, I was happy she had Glea.

Kelli (26:47.23)
No, I don't think we saw any of them with glam this whole trip.

Wendy (26:51.156)
No, no, know Gina and Emily certainly didn't have it. didn't see, I think she only had it for that time. And she said, they were talking about, she's taking the train to Paris tomorrow, I guess to visit her daughter. So I think maybe that's why she had glam, because it was her final day and good for her.

Kelli (26:55.271)
Yeah.

Kelli (27:11.08)
Yeah. Yeah.

Gina burned her hair with Emily's straight.

Wendy (27:16.714)
straightener. Yep.

Kelli (27:19.016)
They get very hot, you have to watch the temperature and Emily has thick hair and Gina doesn't, so. Should've checked the temperature.

Wendy (27:24.91)
Yep.

Yes, definitely should have checked the temperature. Then they're going to get in the Sprinter van and Heather says to Shannon, are you wearing your slippers to dinner? And she said, yes, I am. I mean, with all her foot problems, yeah, if she needs to wear slippers to dinner, her wear slippers to dinner.

Kelli (27:40.68)
Yeah, I mean, the shoes she chose to wear on this trip with her foot issues, I was very shocked. But I thought they all looked very nice. I liked all of their outfits for dinner.

Wendy (27:52.75)
I think Tamara was wearing the exact same dress that Jen wore in the red light district.

Kelli (27:59.761)
I didn't even notice that.

Wendy (28:01.716)
It was all, because I only saw the front of it. I didn't see the back of it, but it was all, it was a long black lace dress. And all you could see was like the bikini bottom and like the bra. I think it was the exact same dress. If she turned around, I would have known for sure, but I was like, interesting.

Kelli (28:10.097)
Right.

Kelli (28:18.131)
Yeah.

It is interesting.

Wendy (28:24.17)
And then they're ordering dinner and Shannon says, does anyone want to split crabs with me? And Gretchen says, I will. And then Tamar brings up that whole story about itchy crabs. And when she got crabs, I was like, what is wrong with you?

Kelli (28:36.222)
Yeah, wouldn't really want to talk about that while I was getting ready to eat dinner personally, but Tamara and I are different. So.

Wendy (28:40.342)
No, no.

I mean, I wouldn't and even Shannon's like, like, and the poor waiter standing there.

Kelli (28:50.418)
I know. And like, where did you get them from? A dirty man.

That's nice.

Wendy (28:57.74)
Yeah.

Wendy (29:02.632)
So then they toast to their last night in Amsterdam and and Tamar starts crying. She said this year has been so very hard for me. Her and Eddie have been spending a lot of time in Big Bear and Sophia's planning to move to New York City to pursue her music. I'm like, what?

Kelli (29:23.666)
I know. I know.

Wendy (29:28.034)
And then they start giving us the wrap up, right? So then the wrap up starts coming. It was weird.

Kelli (29:31.71)
Yeah, that was really weird. I'm like, is this it? Like, are we going back to the old formula where we're picking cameras back up? But... And then it- and then they didn't.

Wendy (29:38.99)
But no, then we finished the dinner. Right. It was weird. So Heather and Terry sold their house at a $5.8 million loss.

Kelli (29:47.454)
Well, it wouldn't be a conclusion without updating us on Terry and Heather's real estate transactions.

Wendy (29:55.158)
Right. and she doesn't plan on buying a new place in Orange County. So there's that. That's, yeah.

Kelli (30:00.45)
really? So how is she gonna be a housewife of Orange County then?

Wendy (30:04.812)
She can rent.

Kelli (30:06.798)
okay. Okay. Yeah, I guess they all do it in Salt Lake. Well, most of them do it in Salt

Wendy (30:08.782)
She can rent.

Yeah, Shannon has a new guy in her life, Troy, the golden retriever. She's still riding.

Kelli (30:16.958)
Did you hear her on Jeff Lewis talking about how he eats her shoes? Like her very expensive shoes?

Wendy (30:22.039)
Yes.

Wendy (30:25.676)
Yes. Yep. The gated group is going strong as are Gina and Travis. Gina is still living without fear unless she's critiquing Heather's improv. Ryan and Jen still don't have a wedding date planned. Dawson recently graduated from Marine Boot Camp but passed out 20 minutes into the ceremony.

Emily continues to navigate Luke's evolving diagnosis. She's learning to embrace

life's unpredictable ride, including the one at the Abbey. That was stupid.

Kelli (31:05.234)
Yeah, that was stupid.

Wendy (31:07.36)
And then, then all of a sudden we go back to the dinner and Gina says, Gretchen, there's something that I have to address with you. When we were in Orange County, Tamar said, Tamar said, that what I showed you when we were in Orange County? And she's like, yeah. She showed me this post that you had liked that were very disparaging remarks against the LGBT.

plus community. Gretchen said, gosh, I would never do that. I must, must be a mistake. I must have done, maybe I was like scrolling quickly and hitting like, like, like, like, like. And you could see Heather's face when this is going on.

Kelli (31:40.806)
It must be a mistake.

Kelli (31:52.7)
And Jen's like, that's not like you.

Wendy (31:55.276)
Right, and Gina said, well, why are you liking these things? And Gretchen's like, I don't know. Like, I don't know, maybe I just did it, you know, wasn't paying attention. And Shannon said, well, how did you see it? Tamra, because Tamra's now a part of this conversation. She said it was something that was sent through I Heart. Emily said, did you talk about it? Like on the podcast? Jen said, well.

Kelli (32:22.194)
That's what Tamra's saying, that I heart sends her and Teddy things and they're like, you have to talk about this.

Wendy (32:27.083)
Right, right.

And then Jen said to Tamra, like, do you have it up? And so Tamra brings it up.

And Gina said, well, there's one about Dylan Mulvaney. And Gretchen's like, who is that? Like, she didn't even know who it was. And Heather's like, well, she's my friend. And it was a friend that she did the podcast with.

Gretchen said, well, how would you guys even find that? That's weird. And then Jen is like, well, why would you like that? That's not you.

And that's when Heather got really activated. Heather said, do you understand that I just threw an event for the Trevor Project? The LGBTQ plus youth is so in danger right now. Every 45 seconds, someone tries to commit suicide. And now meanwhile, Tamara and Gina are talking on the side. And Heather looks over at them and said, I'm speaking. And they both just shut up.

Wendy (33:24.544)
Heather said, do you understand what hate rhetoric does to our children? Gretchen said, yes.

I mean...

Kelli (33:31.955)
This is what I didn't like. I didn't like when Heather said to Gretchen, why are you not enraged? Now, I think that Gretchen was caught very off guard, obviously, and it's not in Gretchen's character to act like Tamra and start yelling and screaming and being defensive and that's not Gretchen. Like her or not, that's not her character.

Wendy (33:44.012)
Yes.

Wendy (33:53.569)
No.

Kelli (34:02.64)
I think she was trying to absorb everything.

she was dumbfounded, because I personally don't think it's true. Yes, I think Gretchen's a Christian. No, I don't think that Gretchen is anti-LGBTQT. I don't think she's anti that. I really don't. I think she was just trying to figure out what the fuck was going on, because she was caught so off guard, like what?

Wendy (34:21.774)
plus.

Wendy (34:30.711)
I totally agree.

Kelli (34:37.864)
But I also think that Heather has a right to react and respond however she chooses because

It's very close to her.

Wendy (34:54.092)
Listen, I think at the time...

Wendy (34:59.544)
I'm just going to say it. feel like Gina and Tamara were totally gaslighting Gretchen. She got that information.

Kelli (35:06.972)
Absolutely.

Wendy (35:11.938)
She doesn't remember it. She has no idea what the context of it was. She had never seen it before. She'd never heard of it before. She's trying to process it herself. And they're coming at her, telling her how she's supposed to be reacting and what she's supposed to be doing with one information that Tamara has had for over a year.

Kelli (35:21.704)
Yes.

Kelli (35:32.166)
Yeah, exactly.

Wendy (35:33.812)
over a year and Gina has had this information for over a week. So that's bullshit. That's bullshit.

Kelli (35:39.39)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (35:43.559)
It's bullshit and it's not in Gretchen's character to react that way. How she reacted is the way she has consistently reacted to things. Even the first fucking scene with her at that lunch that Katie hosted when Tamara was freaking out and going crazy. She kept her composure, stayed calm. This is how she responds to things.

It drives Tamra crazy because Tamra's the opposite, but this is how she reacts to things.

Wendy (36:19.82)
Yeah. And the other thing about that whole situation that I really didn't like is, listen, get that because then Jen says to her, like, what did she say? Do you, she said, do you.

Kelli (36:34.92)
She asks if she biblically doesn't agree and Heather again had a heavy response to that. But it's a valid question because unfortunately some Christians do not support that community. We're Catholic, we fully support that community. And every community, by the way.

Wendy (36:40.622)
Heather lost it. Yeah, she said.

Wendy (36:57.41)
Yes. Yes.

Yes.

Kelli (37:04.158)
but I thought it was a valid question that Jen asked. Because basically that's what you're saying because she's a conservative, that she must not, that she pretends to be supportive of that community, but she's really not. Basically that's what you're saying.

Wendy (37:07.02)
I did too. I thought it was... I did too.

Wendy (37:22.04)
Right.

Wendy (37:29.656)
So meanwhile, while this is all going on, Shannon is actually sitting next to Jen and she's crying. And she's like, this is insane to me. I just can't believe that she would do that. you know, Shannon's like some of my closest people in my life are a part of this community. And it hurts me to think that there's hate out there and that somebody that I know and am friends with is liking it. And listen,

I get that if that's really what was happening, but I think now, and I guess we'll see on the reunion, Shannon knows better that you have to take this

Kelli (38:01.907)
Right.

Kelli (38:08.988)
Yeah, and Jen said to her, something is amiss here.

Wendy (38:13.152)
Right. mean, that's what I said immediately when you said that to me, when I said, what is this even about? And you said that. I was like, that doesn't track. That's not who Gretchen is. It's not who she is.

Kelli (38:21.36)
It doesn't. I agree with you. mean, exactly. And listen, if there is proof out there that she really did this, I will stand corrected. I just don't think she did. And well, we'll get to it. We'll get to

Wendy (38:26.37)
I mean, we don't even know her. We don't even know her. And we said that.

Wendy (38:41.144)
Yeah.

Kelli (38:43.07)
Shannon says, this is insane to me and I just don't believe she would do that. And then Tamra says she's known about it for a year. So Shannon says, why didn't you let us know? And Tamra says, it was too dark. Tamra, you can fuck all the way off because nothing is too dark for you. Nothing is too dark for you. You're a horrible person.

Wendy (38:47.244)
Right. And, and chat.

Right.

Wendy (38:59.34)
Right. Before she said it was too dark, she said to Shannon, you defending her? No, she wasn't defending her. And not for nothing. If you did know about it for a year, why would you tell Gina? Why wouldn't you go to your friend Heather? Your good friend Heather of 15 years who was in your wedding. Why wouldn't you tell Heather? Why?

Kelli (39:19.75)
Yeah. Tamara says, if I was accused of being a homophobic bitch, I would be crying my eyes out right now. And Gretchen's like, but this is not how I feel. And this is the thing. This is why I'm not a huge Gretchen fan, but I love the way she holds her composure when she's when Tamara is coming at her because Tamara can't handle it. Tamara saying if I was accused of being a homophobic bitch.

Wendy (39:30.978)
Right.

Kelli (39:49.215)
Tamara, you're the one who started this. You're the one who started all of this. Nobody can dispute that Tamara is the one who started all of this.

Wendy (39:53.027)
Yeah.

Wendy (40:02.7)
No, I totally agree. mean, Gretchen said I had a drag queen Tupperware party at my house. Like I've never, and she did, I've never been judgmental or had, yes. Now then, this is what I didn't like. So then Heather FaceTimes Terry and tells him what's going on that, you know, she's been liking these anti-gay and anti-trans posts, right? Then they give, which is fine, but then they give Gretchen a hard time for calling.

Kelli (40:10.375)
It was on camera.

Wendy (40:32.27)
Slade. I mean, they all did. Jen said it. They all said like she should have never. Well, that's her person. Who the fuck is she gonna call? Now I'm getting aggravated. Who is she gonna call?

Kelli (40:40.57)
Not only is that her person, but he's the only one who has always supported her.

Wendy (40:49.656)
Right.

Kelli (40:50.622)
Emotionally not financially But honestly, he really has been the only person there for her. I mean other than her parents, you know Throughout this whole thing. Why wouldn't she call him? I agree with you. I mean, I would call Eric I would be like what the fuck like, you know

Wendy (40:52.372)
Right. No. Right.

Wendy (40:59.127)
Right.

Wendy (41:11.308)
Yes, I mean, that's who she called. I mean, listen, I don't think he gave her great advice, but that's who she should have called. I mean, that's who she needed to call.

Kelli (41:13.266)
Yes. Yeah. No.

Kelli (41:18.93)
But how about when he said, how about when Tamra said, I looked like a homo and they flashed back to that. Does Heather not have any, like any reaction to that? Not that she knew that that was being said, but I would hope, I would really hope that Andy and Heather address that with Tamra at the reunion, that she said those words and shame on Andy for not approaching.

Wendy (41:32.632)
Right.

Kelli (41:48.562)
Tamra with it back when it happened, whatever season that was. I'm sure it was, you know, well, I guess it was when Gretchen and Slade were dating. So it wasn't her first season Gretchen, but.

Tamara always had it out for Gretchen. She always tried. She's the one who started it. She's the one who started the whole thing with Jeff and exposing her with the dying fiance.

Kelli (42:13.628)
Then Emily tells Gretchen the burden is on you to make Heather feel better. What?

Wendy (42:19.552)
Yes, again, again, like I know. I couldn't believe that either. I was like, that makes no sense.

Kelli (42:26.814)
I feel like they're, mean, it's a gang up. It's a gang up. And Tamra is leading it.

Wendy (42:38.542)
Mm-hmm. Yep. And Gretchen says, to Heather, like, what do I do? Heather says, you have to prove that it's not you.

How do you prove that? Seriously, like, how do you prove that you didn't do something? And again, I understand where she's confused because she's only looking at a screenshot.

Kelli (42:54.91)
No idea.

Kelli (43:06.514)
Here's the thing though, whether you like Gretchen or not, think about this. Why would any housewife, any housewife or friend of, anybody who wants to be involved in this show, whose boss is Andy Cohen, like any post, even if deep down you are a disgusting person and you are homophobic, even if deep down, why would you like...

a post that is anti that community when you're trying to be on a show when your demographic is, you know, middle aged women and the gay community who watches the show basically. And Andy Cohen is your boss and he is gay. No, no right, no normal minded person would do that. I just don't think Gretchen's that stupid. I personally don't even think she's anti that community.

Wendy (43:49.826)
Right.

Kelli (44:04.786)
But even if you do think that about her, do you really think she's that stupid to like a post?

Wendy (44:10.156)
No, I don't think that she is that way and I don't think that she's that stupid. But what I do think is, because we saw the preview for the reunion, how, we don't even have to see that. the next day, the next day on the way to the airport where it's day five and Gina says, I feel horrible. You know, the way the dinner went last night.

Kelli (44:36.158)
How about when they were leaving tell me this wasn't a setup when they're leaving Gretchen goes to get in the car and they're like Gretchen, there's a separate car for you

Wendy (44:42.649)
yeah. yeah, that was bullshit. That was bullshit.

Kelli (44:46.312)
Bullshit that was a complete setup. They had a second car waiting for her one person and Jen shame on you for not getting in that car with Gretchen

Wendy (44:50.38)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (44:55.148)
Yeah. Yeah.

Exactly, exactly. So then on the way to the airport, Gina brings up that, you know, I went to the actual pages of the post and she does follow these accounts. But when I went to the post that she supposedly liked, I can't find it that she actually liked.

Tamar said, I don't know, they're over a year old. And she's like, but I can't find the actual proof. So then Emily said, so well, I don't know, that's the question. You just can't sit across from somebody and accuse them of doing something without knowing for sure.

Kelli (45:30.504)
Well, that's great of you to say now, Emily, because you were the one doing it last night as well. All of you were doing that to her.

Wendy (45:33.454)
Exactly. Right. Exactly. Exactly. So what I want to say to you is that when we see in the reunion that Gretchen says that she spent thousands of dollars finding out about these accounts and they trace back to Tamra, I will say this. You know what you can do. You and I could put a post up right now.

And it could say, the sky is beautiful. I love who you are. And a bunch of people can like it. And then I can go and edit what that post says. Cause it's my post. put it up. I can edit that post.

Kelli (46:11.07)
That is true. That is 100 % true. Yep.

Wendy (46:18.146)
So if I have control over the post, I can make that post say whatever I want. And then I can screenshot that post.

Kelli (46:25.394)
Yes, you can.

Kelli (46:28.99)
Yep, that is 100 % true.

Wendy (46:31.266)
And then I can change it back.

Wendy (46:37.034)
So for anybody who's listening to this or who watches us, think about that because that's what you can do. And you don't have to wait a year to do it unless you're that desperate that you thought of this a whole year ago.

Kelli (46:43.528)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (46:47.838)
Absolutely.

Kelli (46:55.548)
Right. Or you're manipulating the whole situation.

Wendy (46:59.106)
Yeah. Yeah. I just, I just call bullshit. I call such bullshit.

Kelli (47:06.15)
And you are all saying now that you overreacted, but Gretchen was a fucking mess last night. Not one person, including Jen, was like, all right, hold up. mean, Shannon was kind of like, but Shannon did say, like, she's gotta prove it. I mean, listen, it's such a sensitive topic.

Wendy (47:13.891)
Yep.

Wendy (47:18.796)
Went with her. Right.

Kelli (47:31.846)
And I do think that she has to prove it, but I really hope at the reunion she comes with receipts that she spent thousands of dollars. Now Gina feels bad and says that the root of the problem is that Tamara and Gretchen are going tit for tat.

Wendy (47:49.57)
Yeah, and you know what, what activates me is Gina was on Watch What Happens Live that night. Did you see her?

Kelli (47:50.588)
and

Kelli (47:55.548)
Bits and pieces.

Wendy (47:57.058)
Well, she said that she doesn't regret bringing it up. She doesn't feel like she was manipulated.

Kelli (48:03.39)
Oh no, yeah, she said that she doesn't think that, you know, she wasn't doing Tamra's dirty work. Bullshit. And then the narcissist that Tamra is deflects and says, oh, now it's my fault? Yes, Tamra, it is your fault. 100 % it is your fault, yes.

Wendy (48:08.065)
Right.

Wendy (48:14.189)
Right.

Wendy (48:17.837)
Yes.

Yes.

Kelli (48:32.382)
So then we see one week later, by the way, Slade is definitely coloring his hair. I don't know if he's going gray and he's trying not to.

Wendy (48:37.879)
Okay.

Kelli (48:41.96)
but it's coming off as like a lightish auburn brown. I'm not into it, just go salt and pepper. You're a handsome guy, you'll look more distinguished. Richard Gere pulls it off, you can too. Go ahead, do it.

Wendy (48:58.286)
So one week later we see Gretchen's talking to Slade and she says she's been so depressed she's not been able to sleep. She's like, I should have thought to say show me the post not the screenshot. Of course, of course you're going to second guess it. you know, I don't blame her. I mean, you were in the middle of it. You had all these women coming at you. Like you had no idea.

Kelli (49:11.002)
Yeah. Yup.

Yeah, I really don't think she knew what the hell to do. Like other than maintain her composure, which she has done all season. Like that's how she's reacted. Like just stay calm. She was probably like talking herself down. Like just stay calm. You know.

Wendy (49:29.292)
Right. And we see Tamara's talking to Eddie. My biggest concern right now is there's going to be a retaliation against me. Really? Really, Tamara? And you know, I had listened to her podcast with Dolores before I watched this. And what she was talking about, so they were doing Salt Lake City, and she was talking about Lisa and how they're ganging up on Lisa. She's like, my cast did the same thing to me.

Kelli (49:57.817)
Ugh, this is why I can't listen. I can't listen to two T's anymore. She's disgusting. She really is disgusting.

Wendy (50:00.736)
Wendy (50:06.594)
I'm like, you've got to be kidding me. You got to be kidding me.

Kelli (50:11.614)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Wendy (50:13.198)
So after production wrap, some of the women received DMs from a person with information about the show, which was not yet known to the public. So we see on May 9th, two months before the premiere at Jen's house, Gina says, my God, the account is back, but it has a different name. She just got this information from Emily. And she said, Emily just sent me this screenshot. She's like, I don't know.

I know you don't know who I am. I just, I am just someone who wants to expose the truth. Part of the reason why I wanted to reach out is because Tamar has been leaking details about the entire season throughout filming to bloggers and fan pages. If you want to test knowledge, feel free. I can prove everything I'm saying.

Well, that's a bold claim.

Kelli (51:05.534)
Berry Bowl Clean.

Wendy (51:07.436)
And then we hear the disguised voice talking and they're saying she does a lot of talking mainly on Instagram and it's always like a play by play during filming. And they're like, well, tell us a couple of things that you know. Well, I know when she fake quit in New Orleans, when she did return, she filmed with Heather at some restaurant. I think it was Costa Mesa.

How could this person know that? It was March 18th, four months before the premiere. Katie last filmed with the group on March 20th, four months before the premiere. And her last scene was a sit down with Tamara. I think it was something to do with Gretchen allegedly telling Katie something.

Kelli (51:56.126)
And they brought up the homophobic stuff and...

Kelli (52:02.035)
That hadn't, you know.

Wendy (52:02.627)
Janssen.

Right. That hadn't been brought up yet. Jen said Tamra's getting away with leaking info yet she's holding Katie accountable. She also said that there was some sort of altercation with Slade and she took the high road and just walked away. That was at Emily's. Right.

Kelli (52:19.442)
And we haven't seen that yet, but we're gonna see it at the reunion, right?

Wendy (52:25.932)
Well, we did see that when she walked out of the party, Emily's party.

Kelli (52:29.592)
when Gresham said run. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So.

Wendy (52:32.168)
Run bitch, run. So then around April 20th, she told my friend that you, meaning Gina, were plotting against Gretchen to bring up transphobic and homophobic stuff, and you both had hoped it would turn everyone against her. And Gina said, that's insane. She's clearly trying to make this my fault. I had nothing to do with this. And then they show on April 18th, Tamar is showing Gina the screenshots.

Kelli (52:55.378)
But you did, Gina. But you did.

Wendy (53:03.168)
So, I mean, that was 100 % accurate information.

Kelli (53:07.614)
So people are like, why would Tamra do that? I'll tell you why Tamra would do that. For the same reason, Teresa and Jennifer Aiden did it. Teresa and Jennifer Aiden were feeding all that information to all about the bullshit's podcast. Because what did they do? They gassed Teresa up and they said all negative shit about Margaret and Melissa. That's why she did it. Which is exactly why Tamra would do it. Tamra has a podcast. She has...

Access to all of this all of these people all of this She's got people working for her who have access to all of it She's doing this so that people shed her in a good light So she stays in good favor on the show and that they put shit out about her cast mates So they in a negative light Timber is the is the prime person to do something like this But I gotta be honest with you. Aren't you so over this?

Wendy (54:00.215)
I agree.

Kelli (54:03.442)
bullshit with the bloggers and the podcasters and all that. Like, if we're gonna have a show, let's have a show. Like, just be a good housewife and an entertaining housewife, not an asshole, and we'll watch. Like, I'm done with this, talking to the bloggers and all that stuff. I'm so done with it.

Wendy (54:23.436)
No, I am too. It's frustrating. It is frustrating. Like I said, I like it when they have fun and they do fun things. And they, you know, when I get to find out like what's going on really in Heather's life about, you know, her father and what's going on in Shannon's real life. And I like her hijinks and you know, I'd like to see her new dog with Archie. You know, I like those fun things. I'm okay watching Emily's journey with her son. I'm okay watching Gina and Travis.

Kelli (54:25.586)
Yeah.

Kelli (54:36.958)
All right.

Kelli (54:44.742)
Yeah!

Kelli (54:49.181)
Right.

Wendy (54:51.33)
figure it out. Like, I don't need all this craziness.

Kelli (54:55.719)
It's horrible.

Wendy (54:58.894)
They better not bring Tamra back.

Kelli (54:59.878)
Now we know why Tamra was the first one to reach out to Katie. She was doing the same fucking shit.

Kelli (55:09.746)
talking to, you know, content. I'm gonna just call them content creators, because nobody really blogs anymore.

Wendy (55:09.859)
Yeah.

Wendy (55:16.118)
Yeah, I know.

Kelli (55:17.982)
And now we know why Tamra has first seat at the reunion

Kelli (55:25.224)
Quite honestly, think Gretchen should have had first seat as well, but I know she's a friend of so that wouldn't happen.

Wendy (55:25.634)
Yeah.

Wendy (55:33.066)
Yeah, and Andy said that Tamar didn't know about this. Yeah.

Kelli (55:38.097)
about that last scene.

Well, it'll be interesting to see her reaction. mean, if history has proven anything, it's going to be very defensive and not good.

Not a good reaction. I don't know. I'm over Tamra, but I have been for a while.

Wendy (56:00.258)
I don't want to see her back on season 20.

Kelli (56:02.362)
I do not want to see her back. And you know, the thing is, is that I almost feel like they have to put this show on pause like they did Jersey to figure it out because Tamra did the same thing Teresa and Jennifer Aiden did. you know, it pisses me off. And I'll be honest with you. I think that that's why, because people are like, why would Tamra be so stupid? I think this is part of the reason she thought she'd get away with it.

Because when this came out about Teresa and Jennifer Aiden, all people could talk about was Jennifer Aiden doing it. There's clearly proof that Teresa was doing it as well. Louie, James Leonard, but nobody was ever saying that Teresa was gonna get fired over it. They were saying Jennifer was gonna get fired over it, but nobody was saying that Teresa was gonna get fired over it and she's an OG. So maybe Tamara thought, shit, if they're not gonna come down on Teresa for it, why would they come down on me for it? Jennifer Aiden, she's...

you know, she's disposable on the show.

Wendy (57:00.78)
Right. And I guess they were, she was counting on Katie to be the fall person.

Kelli (57:06.084)
Exactly. Exactly.

Wendy (57:09.486)
which is why she brought it out.

Kelli (57:11.654)
Yeah. This watching Howl's Wives is like, it's like, it's like playing the game Clue. And I don't want to work that hard.

Wendy (57:13.705)
It was just another deflection.

Wendy (57:22.274)
No, I don't either. I don't either. I don't.

Kelli (57:23.262)
I just want to drink my wine and watch the show.

Wendy (57:28.48)
It's supposed to be mindless entertainment. Now it's not supposed to be frustrating. Yeah, it's not supposed to be frustrating and it is frustrating.

Kelli (57:30.682)
Exactly. I'm thinking too hard. Right.

It's frustrating and I told you I stopped watching Jersey because I just can't do it anymore. And I'm standing by it. If Teresa comes back, I'm not watching it. I don't know if I would say that about OC with Tamra because I really don't like Tamra, but my dislike is not as intense for Tamra as it is for Teresa. But I don't know. I don't know if they're going to bring Tamra back. I don't think there's enough people out there wanting her back for them to bring her back.

Wendy (57:41.646)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (58:07.02)
I think, listen, I was thinking about this yesterday. Do you remember? I think it's going to depend on what happens at BravoCon. Do you remember at BravoCon when it was in New York City and Lisa Rinna came out and all the fans booed her? And that's when Lisa Rinna decided that I'm done with this, right? I'm not coming back.

Kelli (58:25.542)
Yes. Yes, I do.

Kelli (58:32.444)
Yes. You're right. No.

Wendy (58:33.888)
And I don't blame her. I don't blame her because these Bravo fans can be tough. So I think that there are still people that do like Tamra. There are people that do. Listen, I still like Lisa Rinna. I do. I still am a Lisa Rinna fan. I've always been a Lisa Rinna fan. I don't have to agree with everything she does, but I still, I would love Lisa Rinna to come back, but she won't. And I don't blame her. I don't blame her.

Kelli (58:38.268)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (58:51.513)
I-

Kelli (58:59.23)
Well, you know how I feel. I would have Lisa Rinna back in a second. I think everything she said about Kathy Hilton was 100 % true and Bravo would not air that footage. And that's why she was like, fuck you. You know what I said is true and you're not proving it for me.

Wendy (59:11.318)
Yeah, I think.

Wendy (59:16.788)
I think BravoCon is going to be like the big decider for a lot of things. I mean, I think that if the fans react positively to Tamra, because she does still have fans out there, they'll bring her back. I think if she goes out on stage and they boo her, maybe they won't bring her back. I think the same thing, to be quite honest with you, about Teresa. Supposedly, Teresa is on all these panels at BravoCon.

Kelli (59:22.322)
You're probably right.

Kelli (59:29.662)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (59:47.43)
And why would you put her on all these panels if she's not coming back? Unless you're just trying to test it.

Kelli (59:53.225)
You know that Chrissy Balls did a TikTok about that and she was saying, I don't know if it's true, because I'm not putting the time into fact checking it. But she was basically saying that the panels that Teresa are on does indicate that she's not coming back because of prior people who were on these panels who did not come back. But I don't, listen, I think that, I don't think there's been enough Bravo cons to even have that kind of data. You know what I mean? Who knows?

Wendy (01:00:20.136)
Right, Yeah. I mean, the other thing is that's out there and I don't know if it's true that supposedly the test filming didn't go well.

Kelli (01:00:32.368)
I personally think that Teresa's camp's putting that out there because she wasn't asked to test.

Wendy (01:00:38.358)
I mean, it's, listen, we don't know. We don't know.

Kelli (01:00:40.83)
We don't know and with all the AI nonsense out there, can't believe anything on social media anymore about anything. Nevermind, Housewives, I was just telling Lori this because she and I were having this conversation. I am a Buffalo Bills fan. So I follow a lot of pages on Facebook. I saw a post where Josh Allen and Hallie Steinfeld donated $1.5 million in the city of Buffalo.

to start a community center for at-risk kids. Beautiful. I liked the post. I thought that was so sweet. The next day, I saw the same story, same headline, same description about a Pittsburgh Stealer doing that in Pittsburgh. Now, maybe they both did it, but everything was identical. You know what I mean? It was like a cut and paste type of thing. So I just feel like...

Wendy (01:01:33.186)
Yeah.

Right.

Kelli (01:01:37.638)
with all the AI out there, I really don't know what you can believe, what you can't believe. But I know that that's been out there a lot, that they weren't happy with the test filming, but I personally thought that maybe Teresa's can't put that out there because she wasn't asked to test film. But don't forget, the professor doesn't have to take the test.

Wendy (01:01:51.864)
Listen, anything's possible.

That's Yep, that's very true. The professor does not have to take the test.

Kelli (01:02:00.876)
Right.

Wendy (01:02:03.52)
I don't know, we're over an hour. We're gonna have to wait and see what happens. Yeah, I can't wait for this reunion. I hope that we get some answers in the first episode. If they drag this out to the third episode, I'm gonna be pissed off.

Kelli (01:02:05.527)
yeah, we gotta wrap it up. We gotta wrap it up.

Kelli (01:02:17.276)
And if Andy kisses Tamara's ass, I'm gonna be pissed off.

Wendy (01:02:21.688)
Yeah. Yes, I agree. And we'll talk about the reunion looks next week. I'll have them up so we can discuss them. Okay.

Kelli (01:02:23.752)
We'll see.

Kelli (01:02:31.73)
Yeah, but they're all, in my opinion, they're all great.

Wendy (01:02:35.903)
I agree.

Kelli (01:02:37.446)
Not a huge fan of Gretchen's. But other than that, they're all great.

Wendy (01:02:41.462)
Yes, I agree. All right, so until next time, thank you for watching and listening. Please give us five star reviews and subscribe. Bye.

Kelli (01:02:43.368)
All right.

Kelli (01:02:49.298)
Bye.