RHOC- Lie Detector? More Like Drama Detector

Wendy (00:01.003)
Hi, welcome to We Worn Whenever, I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:03.946)
I'm Kelly.

Wendy (00:05.791)
I actually just wanted to start by wishing my co-host Kelly a very happy birthday. Happy birthday.

Kelli (00:10.936)
Thank you very much. Thank you, I appreciate it.

Wendy (00:14.411)
Thank you for working on your birthday. I mean, can we call this work? we? It's work. Yes, yes it is. It's just like being a mom.

Kelli (00:16.512)
Always, always. I mean.

It's work we don't get paid for, that's for sure.

Kelli (00:29.198)
Yes, exactly. Exactly.

Wendy (00:35.413)
So we're going to be talking about OC, but Kelly has some breaking news on OC.

Kelli (00:39.746)
Yeah, so we had spoken about it before. Kelly Dodd had brought up that the one season Heather didn't come back, it was because she wasn't offered a full-time role. And Kelly Dodd said it's in the book. What's his face? Dave Quinn? Who wrote this? Yeah, Dave Quinn. So I found it. So Heather Dubrow says in the book, after the season finished airing, I'm not quite sure what season this was, I was sitting around and waiting for them to call with my offer. And when they did, it was for a reduced role.

I went back and sat down with them and said, for me, I either have to be all in or all out and that's how I left. I pissed them off and really gave them no other place to go. If I were in their position, I would have done the same thing. So then Alex Baskin says, I don't think Heather's being honest. She's taking ownership in pushing the show away, but I don't think that's what she intended.

even subconsciously because she wanted to continue with the show. So obviously I think that what Alex Baskin is saying is Heather was basically giving them an ultimatum. Like either I'm a full time or I'm not at all and they chose not at all. And she's kind of making it like it was her decision but I don't think that's necessarily true. It really doesn't matter at this point.

But I was just so interested when Kelly Dodd said it because, know, Kelly says a lot and you don't ever really know if it's true or not, but this actually checked out and this was true. And it is in the book. She's 100 % right.

Wendy (02:10.1)
Right.

Wendy (02:20.855)
So what's very interesting as this season unfolds, you said the book is written by Dave Quinn. So Dave Quinn is the journalist, the reputable journalist that they're referring to in this season. Yes, so when Kiki Monique gets the information supposedly, so this is where it's all so murky. And we will get into it in a little bit, but.

Kelli (02:36.824)
Well, that is interesting.

Kelli (02:46.008)
for sure.

Wendy (02:50.357)
when Kiki Monique supposedly gets the information that Gretchen went to the hospital after the naked wasted, right? She's the one who brought that information to the reputable journalist who happened to be Dave Quinn. And Dave Quinn is the one who reached out to Tamara to let Tamara know that this was coming. So it is a very, very sorted tale.

Kelli (03:14.264)
That is interesting.

Wendy (03:19.859)
and a very deceptive web that's being woven by all parties because there's a lot of hands in this. There's a lot of hands, a lot of hands in this, right?

Kelli (03:29.294)
There's a lot of hands.

I mean, online, obviously, geez. Obviously, Teddy tells Katie, so I have 10 minutes left of the podcast with Teddy and Katie. It was very good. Teddy tells Katie in that podcast, obviously, that she heard Sheena Shay is the one who, you

started this whole thing, which is very believable, because that girl can't keep her mouth shut because she's so desperate to be on Bravo, or anything. She's just desperate. But somebody made a very good point online saying, Kiki works for Andy Cohen. She's on Sirius Andy, right? Did you hear, Radio Andy on Sirius, yeah. Did you hear, I think you told me about it, who's the guy?

Wendy (04:16.299)
Yes. Radio.

Yeah, yeah.

Kelli (04:27.116)
Ryan Bailey? Okay, so he interviewed a woman and forgive me, I forget her name, but she was hysterical because she was on SNL and she was on with Kiki and Dorinda when that podcast first started.

Wendy (04:28.501)
Yep. Ryan Bailey.

Wendy (04:44.521)
Okay.

Kelli (04:45.622)
And then they let her go and just kept it as Kiki and Dorinda. And that woman basically said, don't, know, she doesn't believe, she thinks Kiki's shady and she doesn't believe Kiki when she's saying that. Katie's the one who told her. And other people have said online, like Kiki works for Andy. So she's gonna do whatever she's told to do by Bravo.

Wendy (05:09.757)
Exactly. you know, like you just said, she works for Andy and very interesting that Kiki's name came up and then we get Kiki on camera. So when we last, last Salt Lake City, when Adam, up in Adam's name came up, right? We didn't get him. We did not see him do a sit down on a housewife show to clear up.

Kelli (05:30.658)
Yeah, we didn't see Adam.

Kelli (05:38.104)
That's right.

Wendy (05:38.453)
his portion of it. So why does Kiki get that? Who benefits? Who benefits is really the question. It's like, you know, it always comes down to, and I don't want to say this, but it always comes down to follow the money. It comes down to follow the money. So who benefits? Who benefits from this whole crazy story that's out there right now? Kiki benefits, because Kiki, her name is now a household name. If you did not know who Kiki Monique was,

Kelli (05:54.06)
Yeah, for sure.

Kelli (06:06.584)
Yep. I had no idea who Kiki Monique was. I knew Dorinda did a podcast with someone. I had no idea who it was.

Wendy (06:08.437)
You know who she is now.

Wendy (06:14.727)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. And honestly, who's still coming out on top right now? Tamara. Tamara's still coming out on top. The way it stands right now, Tamara's still coming out on top.

Kelli (06:24.717)
Of course!

Kelli (06:29.432)
Right. So this is, so I have this in my notes, but I want everybody to think about this and I want our listeners to weigh in. What do you think makes a good housewife? Because it's somewhere in my notes and I'll bring it up when we get there, but Tamara thinks what she's doing makes her the best housewife. I don't personally agree, cause I don't like the, I don't like the darkness of all of this.

Wendy (06:30.775)
It's just

Kelli (06:56.652)
This is getting dark, it's getting very Jersey, it's getting very dark and I don't like it. But Tamra thinks that this makes her, know, an iconic housewife, a necessary housewife. So I want like listeners to weigh in, like what do you think makes a good housewife? Cause I don't think this is it. I like a little drama, don't get me wrong. I mean, we can't watch them cook dinner for their families every night, obviously, but this is just too much to me.

Wendy (07:14.379)
Yeah, I agree.

Wendy (07:27.575)
I totally agree and I agree. Like let's hear what our listeners have to say on this matter because it's just, it's to the point where it is completely, it's completely overproduced so much that I feel like it's even scripted at this point. I mean, this is basically a scripted show. This is not a reality show. They are giving us what they want us to see at what point. And even the media, you know.

Kelli (07:43.832)
Yeah, I totally agree.

Wendy (07:56.521)
The fact that, you know, we heard, and I said when we started this season, I thought Katie quit in the middle of the season. That's what we heard back when they were filming it, right? But we didn't know what was gonna happen because they wouldn't let her talk. So as soon as it was getting close, then Katie's doing her media tour. And from what I understand, all of the podcasts that Katie's been doing and all the, which is fine, you know what, it's fine. You know, there's been a Bravo person there with her. So Bravo, yeah, you can't just.

Kelli (08:22.024)
really?

Wendy (08:24.555)
When you're under Bravo Contract, you can't just do whatever you want to do.

Kelli (08:30.584)
So then they put her on two tees. So they're helping Tamara. Bravo's helping Tamara.

Wendy (08:38.036)
Yeah, like I said, follow the money. Follow the money. It's all going back to Bravo. It's all going. They're helping Kiki.

Kelli (08:43.406)
So Bravo must think that Tamara's doing a great job at it as being a housewife, because now they're helping her out with this.

Wendy (08:53.333)
Yeah, yeah. They're helping Kiki grow, yep, they're helping Kiki grow her audience. They're helping Tamara be that great housewife. They're helping 2T's podcast, which is Tamara and Teddy, and you know, by giving them all this information.

Kelli (08:56.28)
Right?

Wendy (09:14.135)
So let's just start. This one is called, it's Real Housewives of Orange County, season 19, episode number nine, Life's a Beach. We start out where we left off with Katie outside talking to the producers and Katie's saying, listen, I'm not lying for Gretchen anymore. I'm not covering up for her anymore. know, Slade and Matt were on the phone for like 45 minutes, like I'm done with this. You know, I'm done with this.

Kelli (09:16.204)
Yeah, let's get into it.

Wendy (09:40.777)
Meanwhile, inside all the ladies are talking about how Katie's lying and you know, but they keep flashing back while they're saying this to all the scenes where everyone else has lied. While they're saying Katie's lying, you see what they're producing. They're producing back to us every time they have lied and receipts for it.

Kelli (09:52.98)
Right. Right.

Kelli (10:01.73)
Right. And of course, they're all telling Jen basically, if you choose to be friends with Katie, we're gonna have a problem with that. Which is very effed up. I think Shannon's the only one who didn't basically say that.

Wendy (10:11.062)
Well,

Wendy (10:16.199)
the way it started was Jen says, you what happens now? And Heather says, Heather says, Heather being Heather says, well, if you want to continue your friendship with her, that's okay. And then Gretchen and Gina jump in because Heather wants to be, Heather wants her hands clean, but Heather's involved in this as well. She has to be. Right. Right. Right.

Kelli (10:36.942)
Heather's the whole reason this is happening.

Heather is the whole reason this is happening and you know that because I know we'll get there but even at the beach she makes the comment, Katie's not coming but I called the paparazzi. You're still bringing it up. You're fucking guilty. You're so guilty.

Wendy (10:56.833)
Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, even the fact that she said that when Jen says, well, Heather's like, well, you can still be friends with her. Just like when the information came out at the reunion, when Emily brought up about Katie's custody and Heather got up and walked over to her and said, I'm so sorry you're going through this. You're the one who gave that information to Emily, whether it was in a group text or not. You're the one that gave her the information, Heather. Heather, we see you. We know what

Kelli (11:20.238)
Yep.

Wendy (11:29.375)
You're doing Heather. We see you. I'm sorry.

Kelli (11:30.947)
Yep. And listen, if she's going to stay on the show, fine. But after this season, it has now all been exposed. This is what's going on. We know it's you. So either stop doing that and trying to keep your hands clean, but really be dirty behind the camera and just be who you are. And, and that's somebody who tries to bury someone. That's who you are. You and Tamra are in cahoots all the time.

See, and I don't, they're gonna, some point, say, Emily's gonna say that Heather's afraid of Tamara. I don't think Heather's afraid of Tamara. I think they just have a mutual, they just stick up for each other because they're both dirty. They both play dirty. Tamara's just a little bit more honest about it, but I guess really not, because she doesn't take accountability.

Wendy (12:21.569)
Well, that's what it is. That's what it is. And also, know, Heather's an actress, you know? Heather's an, but she is an actress. And so she has that. you know, I think Tamar's downfall in all of these situations is her drinking because she loses it. And Heather doesn't get drunk. We've never once seen, I've never once seen Heather drunk on this show. Not once. And it's not that she doesn't drink.

Kelli (12:29.636)
of course. Not a good one, but she is an actress.

Kelli (12:41.88)
Yeah.

Kelli (12:48.52)
Now, right, right.

Wendy (12:50.635)
but you don't see or lose control. And that is the sign of a true professional. That's the sign of a true professional. You know?

Kelli (12:55.948)
Right. Yeah, yeah, you're absolutely right.

Wendy (13:00.509)
So, Jan and her confessional saying that Katie's causing a problem with her friendships and she doesn't know what to do. Then we see the whole, yeah.

Kelli (13:09.336)
Jen, you're picking the wrong side. But yeah, but she'll figure it out. She'll learn. It's probably gonna be too late, but you know.

Wendy (13:13.227)
Yep. You bet on the wrong horse, Jen.

Wendy (13:22.615)
Yeah, yeah, it's gonna be, I think it's gonna be too, I hope it is. I really hope, honestly, my hope after watching this season is I don't want Jen back. I don't want Gretchen back. I don't. And I was rooting for Jen. was, yeah, I was rooting for Jen. But after the way she turned on Katie like that, no, I'm sorry, no, no.

Kelli (13:32.396)
Mm-mm. No. I'm pretty sure Gretchen was a one and done here.

Yeah.

Kelli (13:45.74)
I'm gonna ask you something. Don't you think it's odd that we haven't seen Ryan weigh in on this at all?

Wendy (13:52.695)
Well, he doesn't need to write in. You know why? mean, do you, Ryan and Slade go way back. So in the mortgage.

Kelli (13:59.735)
Right, but my point is that I think that Ryan knows this happened. He knows Katie's telling the truth. He knows Jen's lying. And he's like, I'm not going on camera talking about this. Just keep me off camera talking about this. You want me on camera to talk about something else? No problem, not this, because I'm not gonna lie on camera.

Wendy (14:12.449)
now.

Wendy (14:18.443)
Yeah, no. Yeah, no, no, we haven't seen him. We haven't seen him. The next thing we see is Gretchen and Emily go to the doctors to get their testosterone pellets. Emily is talking about the Persian New Year party and her exact words are hoping that Katie is gone. Those were her exact words. I'm hoping now Katie is gone.

Kelli (14:23.246)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (14:42.892)
Yeah, and isn't it interesting that all of a sudden Emily's allowed to be friends with Gretchen? Remember Emily wasn't allowed to be friends with Gretchen because of what happened in the past and Tamra and she wasn't gonna make that mistake again, but now all of a sudden she's allowed to hang out with Gretchen?

Wendy (14:48.716)
Yeah.

Wendy (14:58.177)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (14:59.788)
Yes, and those were her exact words. I hope Katie's gone.

Wendy (15:03.157)
Yep. And I was like, you've got to be kidding me.

Kelli (15:06.954)
Mm-hmm. It's a witch hunt.

Wendy (15:08.439)
And it really, it really is. It really is.

Kelli (15:11.694)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (15:15.113)
The next thing we see, so Emily says, like, you know, I saw you were, and Tamara had a long hug at the end at my Persian party. Like, what was that all about? And she's like, well, you know, Tamara says to Gretchen, thank you for taking the time. Now this is Tamara being smart. Thank you for taking the time to meet with Kiki and talk it out with Gina for straightening it out.

Kelli (15:39.374)
So we can get to the bottom of it.

Wendy (15:42.421)
Right. Yep. And Gretchen's like, well, I did that for myself. didn't, know, she doesn't say that to her, but that's what she says in her confession. I did that for my, of course you did it for yourself Gretchen. We know who you are, but guess what? Tamar knows who you are too. And she set you up. She set you up. She is way smarter than you, unfortunately. She's way smarter than you.

Kelli (15:56.248)
Right. Yep.

Kelli (16:01.838)
Tamer's way smarter than all of them, apparently. I do give her credit for that.

Wendy (16:06.111)
Yes, yes, she absolutely, yes, she is, she really is.

In her confessional, Gretchen says that she's cautiously optimistic. Yeah, no, I mean, they said that they want to, know, when they get together for the beach picnic that they're having, you know, maybe we can figure out like what's going on between you and Tamara and maybe just kind of put a pin in it, right?

In her confessional, Emily says that she really would like for Tamara and Gretchen to get along. I don't know if you picked this up, but Emily very many times doesn't call Gretchen Gretchen. She calls her Gretcher. Gretchers, yeah.

Kelli (16:51.438)
Yeah, don't know why.

Wendy (16:56.031)
So this means that you're close enough with her to have given her a nickname, right? This is not just like, I met you, like this is, we have a nickname now for you and it's Gretches. And somebody else calls her Gretches too. I'm not sure who, I don't remember who, but I do notice that Emily.

Kelli (17:00.27)
Right. Yes, yes.

Kelli (17:06.328)
Mm-hmm. Right.

Kelli (17:12.982)
I was trying to think, it's not Tamra, right? Is it Gina?

Wendy (17:17.141)
Definitely not Tamra. It might be Gina. It might be Gina.

Kelli (17:21.078)
Or Heather may be Heather.

Wendy (17:23.935)
Yeah, I don't remember.

Kelli (17:26.477)
Yeah.

Wendy (17:29.405)
And then Emily also says in her confessional, like, listen, I don't really care if they get along, but let's just like, either they're going to beat the shit out of each other in a boxing ring, or they're going to make up. Like, let's just do something. Which, whatever. Then we see the whole infamous setup where Jen meets up with Katie for coffee, and Katie shows up with her envelope with her receipts in it, and points out to Jen exactly, you know, that she was set up and...

Kelli (17:39.362)
Right, right.

Kelli (17:48.206)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (17:57.815)
pulls out the documents about how these are paid actors and this is the website and you can get the outcome that you want. And that would have been Jen's opportunity to say, my gosh, I had no idea. I so see your side now. That would have been her opportunity. I'm gonna fight for you. I'm gonna fight for you. But instead she used it to say, okay, I guess we won't be friends anymore. Right.

Kelli (18:23.458)
She said they're gonna think this is preposterous. Of course they are, because it's true, and now they're found out.

Wendy (18:30.027)
I mean, if someone presented you, someone who was your friend and your children were friends and you talk to every day, presented you with this kind of information, don't you think you'd be like, my gosh, I had no idea.

Kelli (18:42.582)
Yeah, I'm not even friends with Katie, but I saw that on social media. was like, my God, because you had said that you had recognized the guy. I didn't. And then when this all came out, that he's basically a paid actor. I mean, I totally believed it when you saw that he was the one who did the LVP lie detector, because that was a joke. But I mean, this is, it's just so obvious that this was a setup. It's just ridiculously obvious.

Wendy (18:51.68)
Yep.

Wendy (19:02.707)
Right. Right.

Wendy (19:12.502)
Yeah.

Kelli (19:14.22)
And honestly, I'm starting to think that Jen's a liar.

Wendy (19:17.537)
Well, she is, she's totally lying to protect Gretchen.

Kelli (19:18.784)
I mean, yeah, it was. And then she leaves the lunch and says, just keep me updated. You just basically told her that you don't trust her and you don't believe her. Why would she keep you updated on anything?

Wendy (19:32.353)
I know. Yeah. It was so weird.

Kelli (19:35.106)
So weird.

Wendy (19:40.961)
So then.

And you know, I don't want to go over it again, but Jen brings it up to Katie again. You were there. You were a part of the conversation. This is what I think is interesting is that Jen admits that at this point now she admits that she was a part of the conversation, but she doesn't admit that there was a toxicology report and that she went to the hospital. Just that she

felt away. So if you were a part of part of the conversation, but you weren't a part of the other part of the conversation, I mean, right, right.

Kelli (20:21.186)
Right, she's lying. She's totally lying.

Wendy (20:26.801)
So, Katie's crying and I don't blame her.

They, you know, that whole situation ends. Then Gina goes over to Matt's house and Britt is there. I didn't actually realize that Britt, Matt is her ex-husband. I didn't realize that they were married, Britt and Matt are married.

Kelli (20:48.934)
I have him as her fiance. Are they married?

Wendy (20:52.517)
I thought that they were, I thought, yeah, I thought, I think that they're married. That's the impression I got. That's the impression I got. But this is my thought. First of all, listen, I do like to see, I like to see those kinds of relationships, but now I feel like, I feel like now, yes, and it's something for everyone to learn from, right? I'm afraid that they're gonna try and bring Britt on the show now.

Kelli (20:54.127)
You could be right! You could be right!

Kelli (20:58.892)
Yeah.

Kelli (21:08.455)
absolutely. What a healthy co-parenting situation they have.

Wendy (21:22.325)
then that is gonna screw up her whole co-parenting relationship and her whole, like why did they have to give her, and then she brought her to the volleyball thing too. Like that, like, I mean she was saying.

Kelli (21:32.086)
Yeah, yeah, you're right, you're right. They're probably trying to get her on the show. But don't you remember when Matt, I mean, I don't know if he still has the same job, but don't you remember when Matt and Gina first came on the show? Matt wouldn't film because of his job. His job didn't want him to film. Unless that was just an excuse because they were going through a divorce and nobody knew yet.

Wendy (21:38.091)
Yeah!

Wendy (21:54.084)
I mean, think Matt might have lost his job after the domestic violence situation. I think he may have lost his job.

Kelli (21:58.195)
okay. yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I forgot about.

That girl Britt looks so much like Kelly Dodd, I can't get over it. She looks so much like Kelly Dodd.

Wendy (22:07.389)
She seems like, she does, she does. But I, initially I like to see that. Like I like to see that whole interaction and then that came in and how she was concerned. But then when she showed up at the volleyball game and Gina is saying how she really, you she wants to protect this relationship and how it's so important to her. And I'm like, my God.

Kelli (22:28.364)
Yeah. Yeah, cause it won't end well if they bring her on. There's no way.

Wendy (22:33.167)
No, it won't. No, it definitely won't. It definitely won't. And you know what? He's so young. Matt is so young to have such, you know, major heart. He had a heart attack. He's young. Like he's got to, you know.

Kelli (22:45.1)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (22:49.111)
But it also, it points out, which we all knew, how bad the situation is between Travis's ex and Gina. The one thing she said which didn't make sense to me, that she really wants to really push for the divorce so that she can get married to Travis to have some sort of legal standing over the stepchildren. I don't know that you ever have legal standing over stepchildren. Right? I mean, I don't, I don't.

Kelli (22:49.688)
Yeah.

Kelli (23:10.958)
don't think you do. Yeah, no. I mean, I don't know how California works, but if their mother's still alive, then that's it. That's it. I mean, if you had a better relationship, then God forbid something happened to Travis. Sure, I'm sure she, you know, but it doesn't sound like that woman's gonna be amicable to anything like that.

Wendy (23:18.409)
Right. Right. Right.

Wendy (23:33.555)
No, no, it doesn't. It definitely doesn't. The next thing we see is Heather's meeting with Tamara and they're talking about what happened. And then Jen shows up a little bit later with the envelope that Katie gave her.

Kelli (23:48.889)
How about Heather saying, you know, I really tried this year with Katie. No, you didn't. This is all because you don't like Katie because she said that you called the paparazzi. That's what this is all about. We have not forgotten, Heather.

Wendy (23:52.939)
Mm-hmm. No.

Wendy (24:01.974)
Yep.

And how about when Heather says, you know, that was not staged. My husband is a doctor on TV and a doctor in real life. Really? No.

Kelli (24:11.938)
Right. Not the same, Heather. Not the same.

Wendy (24:18.591)
And then Jen is backpedaling, maybe I put too much on the friendship. with Tamara, she's saying with, so now Jen's trying to make up with Tamara. Maybe I put too much, right, because she has to. If you're cutting off Katie, you've gotta make up with Tamara, right? So maybe I put too much on our friendship and that's why things went wrong with us. Okay, yep.

Kelli (24:27.086)
Right, of course.

Kelli (24:33.698)
Yep. Yep.

Kelli (24:41.858)
And Tam was like, I apologize for the dinner at Katie's house and I'm in therapy and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Wendy (24:51.573)
Right. And therapy taught me that, you know, the trauma when I was a little girl, and that's the little girl in me, that's the one that lashes out. No, that's when you drink too much and you lose control. That's what happens.

Kelli (25:03.916)
Right. Right. That's what happens.

Wendy (25:09.887)
And then Jen says, well, you this is what happens. You apologize to me. And then all of a sudden you're backing me in the corner again. And then Heather's like, but wait, are we making up or are we going backwards? And Jen's like, well, we are a little bit, but we, you know, we need to address this. And I was like, so Tamara said things cut really deep. you, if you don't care, that's when Tamara, you know, goes on her fake apology. If I didn't really care about you, like this wouldn't hurt.

so much. Okay. She's just keeping her enemies close. That's what she does. That's what she does. That's why she makes up with Gretchen on the beach. Because she knows what's coming. She knows what's coming.

Kelli (25:45.026)
Yep. Yep.

Kelli (25:49.846)
Right.

Kelli (25:55.919)
So Heather says she feels good about this and then she posts a picture of Tamara and Gretchen hugging behind her. So it's very clear what's going on. She's gonna post this.

Wendy (26:06.379)
Well, and she says, let's see how this goes. And I don't know if you saw, there's two pictures. There's the one that they show you on with them hugging. And I think she's got like a face like with the thumbs up. And then there's another one with the thumbs down. Did you see that? So we didn't see that on the show.

Kelli (26:22.732)
Yep, yes.

She said I'm saving I'll save this I'm not posting anything yet, and we'll see how this goes

Wendy (26:32.171)
Right. Right.

Um, the next thing we see is Emily, Gina and Shannon are all shopping and Emily tells them that Jen called her and what Katie said about, you know, the being paid actors and that, you know, it wasn't legit. And Emily's back. I didn't even come up with the questions every, you know, that how could it be a setup? You guys came up with the questions. Yep. How can she say it's biased? Um,

Kelli (27:01.422)
Totally denying it. Right.

Wendy (27:07.715)
Then she gets the call from her son, Luke, you know, listen, you could tell by that phone call, you know? He's 10 years old and he is talking baby talk on the phone.

Kelli (27:20.642)
There's something very serious going on with this kid. I don't think she's embellishing anything. I think this is what's really going on. And I think she's trying to film through it.

Wendy (27:28.757)
I don't either. I don't either. Right.

Kelli (27:36.469)
I don't think, this is something that comes on so quick and you don't know the seriousness of it until it's really bad. So I'm not gonna say I don't think she should have filmed, because I would imagine that when they started filming, it wasn't as bad as it is right now. And thank God we know now in real time, they're in a better place. But she...

I mean, I don't think this is embellished at all. I think that this is really what's going on. I think it's really taking a strain on their marriage. But I have no doubt, her and Shane will be fine. They'll come out stronger through this because that's typically what happens. It'll either make or break ya. But I feel for her, I'm not loving Emily this season for obvious reasons. And I do think that that whole lie detector thing was a setup. But I feel for her what she's going through with her son.

You feel powerless. You feel 100 % powerless.

Wendy (28:35.957)
Yeah, absolutely. And this is the thing to people that are listening to us, two things can be true. We could think she's an asshole and a bully and we've said that, right? But we can still be empathetic to the situation that is actually going on in her life. And I don't think that she's exploiting it.

Kelli (28:54.252)
Right, right, like I wish she wasn't involved in this whole takedown of Katie because this is really serious and it's her real life because she's on a reality TV show. But you're right, this show is so overproduced that it's basically like a scripted show now. So now we're just getting tiny bits and pieces of their real life because the rest of the bullshit is all fake nonsense.

Wendy (29:22.293)
Right, exactly. Then we see Katie and her confessional said that Jen is protecting Gretchen, which we already knew. And the next thing we see is that Matt and Katie are sitting down and they're talking on the couch. And he asks like, what's happening with Jen and Ryan? And you know, she's kind of giving an update and he pulls out his phone and

Kelli (29:32.643)
Yeah.

Kelli (29:40.59)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (29:51.799)
you know, start showing all these text messages from Slade on the dates. You know, he had a 43 minute call on March 10th, which was when they were in New Orleans. And what do you think we were doing? Shooting the shit? You know.

Kelli (29:57.048)
That was interesting.

Kelli (30:09.548)
And at some point, didn't he say that it was him, Ryan, and Slade on the line? I thought at one point he said there was a three-way call.

Wendy (30:19.825)
you know what I do?

Kelli (30:20.46)
I don't know if it was that particular 45 minute phone call, but he mentioned that.

Wendy (30:23.509)
Yeah, I don't know if it was that call either. Ryan didn't know it was a through a call. And I think as soon as he found out, hung up.

because didn't want to be a part of it.

Kelli (30:39.608)
That's what I'm saying. Ryan's keeping his distance because he doesn't want to have to lie on camera and he knows the truth.

Wendy (30:48.929)
Right? Right?

Kelli (30:50.744)
Good for you, Ryan. Too bad your girlfriend didn't take the same step.

Wendy (30:52.566)
Yeah.

Yeah. But we saw a little glimpse of that. Supposedly, and some stuff has been on social media as far as those text messages go, but I would imagine at the reunion, we will see those full text messages. We will see the full exchange.

Kelli (31:11.286)
I hope all the guys are there. I guarantee you Ryan won't be there for the reason we just said, but I hope Slade, no, no, that's okay. Listen, that guy went through enough last season because of Tamra. So let him be, but I hope we see Matt and Slade hash it out.

Wendy (31:17.397)
And you know, we don't need Ryan.

Wendy (31:31.425)
Yeah.

Wendy (31:39.115)
I can't wait for the reunion to be quite honest with you. I really can't. I really cannot wait for the reunion because there's so much stuff that is gonna come out and people are gonna have to answer for it. They're gonna have to answer for it.

Kelli (31:41.444)
me too.

Kelli (31:49.678)
Mm-hmm.

Let's hope so. Katie and Matt said that Slade and Gretchen basically wanted them to hate Tamara as much as they do.

Wendy (32:00.053)
Yeah, that was their intention.

Kelli (32:01.486)
And Jen's falling right in line with it.

Wendy (32:04.395)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Kelli (32:06.051)
So.

Kelli (32:10.67)
How about her not inviting Katie to the beach day?

Wendy (32:10.859)
The next thing.

I know, but before that happened, we see a scene in New Orleans where Katie is talking to Jen and Gretchen saying she just got called from Matt. We never saw that scene. you know, it's more proof of what Matt and Katie are saying besides the text messages. She's in the room with them before they go down to the dinner, before Tamara quits. So Gretchen already knew.

Kelli (32:27.519)
No.

Kelli (32:40.268)
Right.

Wendy (32:42.647)
It was all predetermined before they went down. She sat down and said, listen, I just got off the phone with Matt and he was talking to Slade and they know what's going on. We didn't see that before. And this is again, why I'm saying that this is scripted. This is freaking scripted. Like if you're going to tell us a story, tell us the story in chronological order. Tell us the story in chronological order.

Kelli (32:46.253)
Right.

Kelli (32:54.592)
Mm-hmm. No, we didn't.

Kelli (33:00.76)
Yeah. Yep.

Wendy (33:11.957)
Because that's what reality is. What you're doing is you're scripting it. You are scripting it, which is what you see on these shows, on these scripted shows where they start, okay, this is present day. This was past. Like that is what you are doing. That's what you're doing with the web of lies.

Kelli (33:30.188)
Yeah, absolutely.

Wendy (33:33.525)
And Matt also said that every time he's hanging out with Slade, all he talks about is how he started the Housewives. And it is true. He doesn't have anything to stand on on his own.

Kelli (33:44.972)
No, he doesn't work, he hasn't worked since the show started. Who knows if he was even working when he first came on the show. Like that could have been a bunch of bullshit, you know?

Wendy (33:47.721)
And Gretchen brings that up.

Wendy (33:52.982)
Right.

I mean, he says what his job is real estate, but is it really real estate? Like, what is he really doing, right?

Kelli (34:02.562)
Right. Yeah.

Wendy (34:05.879)
So that yes, so it's beach day and they don't invite Katie. Of course they don't invite Katie, right. So Jen's invited her friend and her two sons are there and they're gonna be playing volleyball. I mean, I'm glad the sons were there because at least they could play volleyball. mean, it's hard. How are you having a volleyball game with women that don't know how to play volleyball?

Kelli (34:10.638)
bizarre.

Kelli (34:23.244)
Right, right.

Kelli (34:28.056)
Did you watch the after show?

Wendy (34:30.239)
I did.

Kelli (34:31.404)
Yeah, and they were like, who was the most athletic? And Gina was like, hello. That was funny.

Wendy (34:38.156)
Yeah.

I thought it was interesting when they asked Jen who the least athletic was and she didn't say Heather, she said Shannon. I'm like even Heather said Heather. Heather's the least athletic, the one with the parasol, the one who doesn't. But at least she tries, at least she tries, right?

Kelli (34:52.374)
Right, exactly. I mean, Shannon did all over the place, but she tried. I mean, Heather stood there with an umbrella.

Wendy (35:02.005)
Right. She doesn't even pretend to try. And neither did Gretchen, by the way. I Gretchen didn't participate either.

Kelli (35:04.768)
No, not at all.

Right. Right.

Wendy (35:10.775)
So Gina brings Britt with her. Jen brings her friend. Heather shows up with her friend, Chanel. Emily shows up by herself. Tamar shows up with Joe. And it's just like, come on. We can't even play volleyball? Like we can't, seriously?

Kelli (35:30.478)
That's a stupid.

Wendy (35:40.341)
So that, you know, the stupid volleyball game, whatever. After they're done playing their volleyball game, Heather announces that something very fabulous has happened. you know, Katerina got accepted into all, you know, all of these schools, right? Her dream school is USC and Shannon's like, I don't have any pull. And Heather said, but I want to tell you all, she got into Yale. okay, what?

I mean, are we waiting for like the doves to, I mean.

Kelli (36:12.118)
Is she going to Yale?

Wendy (36:14.443)
I think she is in Yale. I think she did go to Yale. But still, what? We needed a whole, we needed that?

Kelli (36:19.766)
I know. Absolutely. Absolutely. It's her world and we're just living in it.

Wendy (36:23.528)
So, and then Tamera.

Tamera announces Sophie, Sophie has her first boyfriend. I'm sure she's going to be happy to hear that you announced that.

Kelli (36:34.67)
was thinking the same thing. This poor girl is probably like, what is wrong with you? I mean, she's in her 20s, isn't she? Or 19. Either way. My God, you don't want your mom saying that on national television.

Wendy (36:36.983)
I like.

Wendy (36:46.839)
She graduated high school. Yeah, she's 19 or 20.

Wendy (36:54.283)
Right. And then Shannon goes on to say that, you know, her daughter, Sophie, did meet this guy and she really fell for him and he just broke up with her. So she flew home for the weekend to be with her mom, which that's sweet. And she's going to be coming by later. I mean, okay.

Kelli (37:12.078)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (37:16.087)
So then Emily's big good news, because they're calling this Good News Friday, right? Emily's good news is Shane's dad came home from the hospital, which is good news. And then Joe's good news is that her husband and her are officially going to try and have a baby. They've decided to try and have a baby at, listen, age 44. That's going to be hard, but okay.

Kelli (37:24.545)
Yeah, yeah.

Kelli (37:40.056)
Yeah, yeah, it's not gonna be easy, know, all good, all blessing. All right, I hope it works out.

Wendy (37:43.997)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kelli (37:48.984)
They can always attack.

Wendy (37:48.991)
And then Brit, yes, absolutely, absolutely. And Brit says her good news is every day because the fact that Matt is still here and they can't imagine him not being there. Jen's good news is that her and Tamara finally sat down and had a better conversation. I'm like, okay.

Kelli (38:10.968)
his ass.

Wendy (38:12.703)
And then we get to Gretchen and she's like, well, I keep asking the girls, like, Tamar and I just, you know, talk or like, do we need to have a mediator? And Tamar says, I don't need a mediator. So they agree to speak, right? They're gonna get up and those two are gonna speak.

So they do, they get up and they go over to the side and Tamara says, I'm confused because when I asked you if you've ever gone to the hospital, you said no. And Gretchen said, well, if I said that, I'm sorry, I misspoke. What?

Kelli (38:47.586)
Same thing she said on that podcast with Heather McDonald.

Wendy (38:50.985)
I'm sorry I misspoke. Two times you misspoke. Two times.

Kelli (38:55.34)
Yeah. So here's the funny thing. Tamra calls bullshit and she's right, because Gretchen lied. But if the lie detector was wrong about Gretchen, right, because Tamra's like the lie detector was wrong, how come the lie detector can't be wrong about Katie?

We've established that the lie detector is wrong, right?

Wendy (39:16.139)
Right. Only when it works for them, it's wrong. That's how that works.

Kelli (39:19.745)
Exactly.

Exactly.

Wendy (39:26.817)
Tamar says, Katie had said that Slade called Matt and said, we can't talk about this. Gretchen said, well, that's not true. That's not what happened. You can call Slade. Of course, can call Slade. Of course, Slade is going to back you up. I mean, he's the one who did it.

Kelli (39:42.742)
Right. Exactly. Exactly.

Wendy (39:47.777)
Tamar said, well, that's not what happened. Gretchen said, well, she's been lying about a lot of things. Okay, so that's what we're going with now.

Wendy (39:58.211)
Tamar says, I don't understand why my name, Gretchen says, I don't understand why my name keeps being brought up.

And Gretchen, instead of all the people you can bring, like why do you bring Joe? And Tamara's like, well, does that bother you? And she's like, yeah, yeah. Like it's more about like, what was your intent? Like why would you bring her? Meanwhile, back at the table, Heather's telling all the ladies like,

how she's having a hard time with this group because she was friends with Gretchen when she came on. She's known Gretchen for a long time. She's known Tamara for a long time. They were all friends before. And she has a hard time because she feels like she's the one stuck in the middle now that they're not getting together. She's like, Gretchen was at Tamara's wedding. And they're like, she was at her wedding? Was she a bridesmaid? no, she wasn't a bridesmaid. Heather's like, but I was a bridesmaid. And they flashed to that.

And then Gretchen says to Tamar, like, you feel any remorse about anything? Like, about when you said I was cheating on Jeff, when you called Slate a deadbeat dad? And Tamar said, like, these things were true. Like, everything I said was true. She's like, it's not like I was just pulling these things out of my ass. You know, these were articles about him not paying child support. So I mentioned it.

Wendy (41:34.997)
And then Tamara's like, well, there was an article about my husband being gay and you were spreading that rumor too.

Kelli (41:43.585)
I forgot when they flashback to that guy when Gretchen said something about Eddie being gay and he's like, well, I do know somebody who said he saw him make out with a guy, which I don't believe for a second, but.

Wendy (41:59.731)
No, I don't either, but I forgot about that too. But then Tamar said, you also remember that 13 years ago Slade was on stage calling me fat. I totally forgot.

Kelli (42:07.168)
my God, I forgot about that. That was horrible. I mean, I know he called Vicky Miss Piggy or something, but I forgot he said that about Tamra.

Wendy (42:09.993)
Yeah, and then they flash back to that. Yes, yes, and that's all that really... Right, right.

And Gretchen's like, well, this is the, that was bad. That was bad. Especially, and you know what's so funny? Like all of a sudden we're not talking about that picture of Jen anymore. Like what happened to that? Right?

Kelli (42:21.868)
I was bad.

Kelli (42:32.523)
yeah, Jen totally forgot about that.

Right. She just, you know, she just wants to be in with the cool girls. She's like Julianne Miami.

Wendy (42:41.719)
Mm-hmm.

yes, very much so.

Kelli (42:46.306)
She really, she's just gonna throw it all aside. Maybe she thinks that this will help her keep her spot for next year, but I gotta be honest with you. I don't know if she's coming back, Jen.

Wendy (42:49.173)
Yeah.

Wendy (42:59.383)
I don't think she should. I really don't.

Kelli (43:01.134)
I mean.

I don't know, again, it comes down to what do you think makes a good housewife, I guess. But I don't like the flip-flopping. I don't like how she just threw Katie aside and I don't know, not good.

Wendy (43:12.001)
Yeah.

Wendy (43:21.271)
No, I don't either. I don't either. No, I totally agree. Gretchen says, this is the problem. You and I go back and forth with all these things. Tamara's like, well, you don't even let me talk. So Gretchen said, all right, let me start with this then. I'm sorry for reaching out to your daughter. I was like, oh, yeah. Gretchen said, I was really hoping that maybe you could come to the table and say, you know what, Gretchen, I'm really sorry that.

Kelli (43:37.4)
Yeah, that was a big move.

Wendy (43:50.977)
Tamara's like, well, I haven't gotten there yet. I'm sorry, maybe I don't remember, but I sat down with Slade, maybe you don't remember, but I sat down with Slade and apologized. And then they showed that. I totally forgot she apologized to Slade too.

Kelli (44:04.908)
Yeah, I did too. But she did trash, I mean, she might not have said the words, deadbeat dad on the podcast, but she was trashing him on her podcast. So that apology means nothing. It's null and void.

Wendy (44:07.008)
And Gretchen's like.

Wendy (44:14.263)
No, she definitely was. No, she, right, and that's what Gretchen said. You know what? But you still went on your podcast and she's like, well, you know, it's I Heart. They tell me what to talk about. It was the headline. was just talking. And like, give me a break. You didn't have to talk about it.

Kelli (44:18.935)
Yeah.

Kelli (44:26.36)
Bullshit.

Exactly.

Wendy (44:31.901)
So Gretchen says, do you want to move forward or not? And Tamar says, yes, but what's it going to take for you to let it go and just let it go? And Gretchen says to Tamar, so when Slade would go out there and try and get a job and help and support his son, the only thing that would show up when they would look him up would be that he's a deadbeat dad. And she's like, he lost jobs? He lost work because of that? And she's like, yeah.

Kelli (44:58.178)
Gretchen's like, absolutely.

Wendy (45:00.201)
Yeah, and Tamara's like, I'm so, and then she moves closer to her. I'm so sorry. And she holds her hands. I wasn't aware of that. I'm so sorry.

Kelli (45:08.598)
I mean, listen, if there was no validity to it, I mean, he didn't get jobs because of who he was. I don't think you can put the blame on Tamra for Slade not getting a job.

Wendy (45:09.803)
Come on.

Wendy (45:23.703)
I don't think you can either. I think the fact, I just think the whole thing was so staged. The fact that Tamara was just like, did, let me get close to you. Let me get close to you. Let me hold your hand now. Like it just felt that like, I'm so sorry. Like that's not, I didn't know that. I didn't know that I caused this problem. Come on.

Kelli (45:30.968)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (45:36.962)
Yeah, I'm so sorry.

Kelli (45:48.578)
Right, now, not buying it.

Wendy (45:51.093)
So that was enough that now they're going to move forward. Now they decide that they're going to move forward, right?

Kelli (45:57.677)
love when the producer asks Shannon, do you think it will last? And she says, I know it's not going to last.

Shadow is friends with Tammer long enough to know that this is all bullsh-

Wendy (46:09.131)
Yep. Yep. It is, it is all bullshit. It really is. So then they go back to the table and they see that they're getting along and Shannon says, guess I'm the only asshole in the group then. And Heather says, yes, you are. I don't know if you caught that. She said, yes, you are.

Kelli (46:29.954)
Was it Heather or Emily? I thought Emily said yes you are.

Wendy (46:32.735)
I thought it was Heather. Because Heather was right there. I thought it was Heather. And then Shannon's daughter, Sophie, shows up. I mean, I was glad to see Sophie, but then Emily says to Sophie, know, before you got here, Shannon let us know that you had this bad breakup. And I'm like, of course she's going to. OK, so we're going to make it better for you. Like, why don't we all tell you about our worst breakups? What?

Kelli (46:51.192)
I know.

Kelli (46:58.39)
I know. But I mean, it was good because like they said at the end, like you're gonna look back on this one day and be able to laugh about it or, you know, be able to talk about it and not feel sad about it, which is true. Time heals, but when you're in the moment, it's not exactly what you wanna hear.

Wendy (47:08.947)
Right. No, that is true. Yes. Yeah.

Right, and Emily's like, okay, and Gina, you start. We'll start with Gina. And Gina's like, well, my worst relationship was probably my divorce. Like, here I'm sitting next to...

Kelli (47:25.45)
Right, it was like domestic violence involved and I don't really want to talk about that.

Wendy (47:30.399)
Right, and Britt is sitting right here next to me.

Kelli (47:32.982)
Right, right, right, right.

Wendy (47:35.607)
Tamar says, Joe, we don't want to hear yours. Okay, no, we don't. I didn't really want to hear any of them, to be honest with you. Heather comes up with her bullshit middle school boyfriend who broke up with her on the field. By the way, he's gay. Okay, Heather.

Kelli (47:41.921)
No, no, no.

Kelli (47:51.352)
Yeah, I don't even believe that. I don't believe anything that comes out of Heather's mouth.

Wendy (47:55.197)
No, no. And then Jen says, I didn't even get Jen's. It was a wrestler and he had a Bronco and she was in a small town. So she figured she was gonna have sex. And Shannon's like, well, did you have sex? She's like, yeah. And Shannon was like, And then his friend took me home. Wait, what? I don't even know what that was.

Kelli (48:13.378)
Yeah, and she asked his friend on the way home, so do you think he likes me? You just had sex with him, shouldn't you have kind of figured that out before you had sex with him?

Wendy (48:20.662)
Yeah.

Wendy (48:24.491)
And then Tamar tells a story about a boyfriend she had in the 80s who used to live with her and he broke up with her, but she still had the keys. And she went in his place with a knife and his leather jacket. I'm like, what? Wait, what? Why are you putting this out there?

Kelli (48:40.77)
I mean.

I know. Well, she obviously got caught because somebody came home, the garage doors went up and she was standing there with a knife. So I guess she wasn't trying to hide it from anybody.

Wendy (48:54.468)
gosh. I just.

I'm looking forward, I actually don't even want to see the Amsterdam trip, to be honest with you. I mean, I don't even know when it's coming. Like, how many more episodes do we have till we get to the end of this season? I know.

Kelli (49:03.607)
I don't either.

Kelli (49:08.526)
I mean, this is only nine. We're probably only halfway through. We're maybe a little bit better than halfway through.

I'm not, I don't know. I don't know if I'm just getting tired of housewives or, cause I'm not loving Miami either. I feel like Miami is just a bunch of nonsensical fighting too. But I don't know. We'll see.

Wendy (49:36.587)
We will see. mean, I don't want to give up on Housewives. I don't, but...

Kelli (49:41.534)
I know, me neither, but I need Jersey back. need Jersey back. However you're gonna give it to us, please give us Jersey back.

Wendy (49:50.411)
Yeah, I agree actually. I think I need some jersey back too.

Kelli (49:53.451)
I need Jersey back. This is way too long to go without it. But it can't be the same dark, dark stuff. Cause now with the OC darkness and I don't like it. don't like it. Miami is good. Even though there's some silly fighting, at least it's, know, not dark and it's, you know, nothing like this. Roofies and drugging and.

Wendy (49:58.967)
I'll be honest with you.

Wendy (50:15.681)
I don't think Miami is, yeah, yeah, yeah. And 17 year old crap. I don't think Miami is nearly as bad as OC is right now. I would also like New York back in some shape or form. That's just me. I'm sorry. I like New York. I always liked New York. I feel like the city itself is a housewife. It is a character. And I feel like that we didn't get that with the reboot. We didn't get the city as a character with the reboot.

Kelli (50:23.926)
No, no, not at all.

Kelli (50:38.744)
Yeah.

Kelli (50:44.918)
No, don't want the girls from the reboot back. I'll be quite honest with you. Like, one of them. To me, it's like bring back the old cast or some of the old cast or just don't do it anymore. I don't know, but I agree with you. I'd love for New York to come back. Just not with the reboot cast.

Wendy (50:45.303)
So.

I'm not saying I want the girls from the reboot back.

Wendy (51:09.417)
No, I mean.

Kelli (51:12.015)
None of them stood out to me like, I love her. I mean, I loved Uba, but quite honestly, I think Uba, isn't she pregnant? Do we know?

Wendy (51:19.255)
I don't know. That would be awesome if she is. I don't know.

Kelli (51:22.175)
I might have just made that up.

Kelli (51:28.216)
But I think she's happy in Connecticut with her finance guy.

Wendy (51:31.317)
Yeah, I do too. All right, so until next time, thank you for watching and listening and please let us know your thoughts, like comment on our post.

Kelli (51:39.138)
Yeah, what do you think makes a good housewife?

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