RHOC-Hot Pot, Cold Hearts

Wendy (00:00.622)
Hi, welcome to We Why Whenever. I'm Wendy. We are doing Real Housewives of Orange County, Season 19, Episode Number 2, Old Faces, New Faces.

Kelli (00:03.483)
I'm Kelly.

Kelli (00:13.338)
Mmm.

Wendy (00:15.2)
So we start out at the Shape Shop studio and Emily, Gina, and Tamara are there and they are doing a full body lymphatic drainage massage machine thing. I have never seen a machine like that before in my life. I mean, it looked really weird to be quite honest with you. I mean, some of the positions that they were in while they were on that machine, they were a little...

Kelli (00:31.141)
No, me neither.

Kelli (00:35.015)
Really? Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (00:44.236)
Risqué, I would say. Then after the machines, then they are doing red light and compression. I mean, I do believe red light therapy really does work. And I'm sure compression does too. I mean, once you're...

Kelli (00:47.023)
Yeah, Emily was getting into it.

Kelli (00:54.683)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (01:00.401)
What is red light therapy for?

Wendy (01:03.118)
So I use red light therapy on my face and I use it with collagen. Yeah, with collagen cream, it helps penetrate the layers of the skin to get the collagen down deeper. that, mean.

Kelli (01:07.602)
with the face thing? Okay.

Kelli (01:17.435)
thought this was something different, because I have one of those things as well. I thought it was actually like, like you got your ring light camera on you, like you put a red light on you and it's, no?

Wendy (01:28.002)
I mean, it is something to do with anti-aging is all I know about it. And like I said, it does something with penetrating the layers of your skin to get down to, I don't know, a healthier layer or, you I have no idea. So they're talking about not believing Katie about not talking to the bloggers. They also don't like that Shannon was sticking up for Katie.

Kelli (01:33.703)
Alright.

Wendy (01:56.814)
Of they didn't like that because they wanted Katie to be out there on an island by herself.

Kelli (02:00.817)
Well, how about Gina saying that Tamara was really trying? No, she wasn't. She was talking shit about her in the other room when they were doing the whatever the hell they were doing.

Wendy (02:10.35)
Yeah, she wasn't trying. No. Katie obviously appreciated Shannon having her back. she's used to shutting down when things like that happen. Because that's what would happen with her ex-husband. Like when they're all coming at her, you could see she was kind of like a deer in a headlight. And I said that to you. I said, she's not equipped to handle this. And you could see she's not equipped to handle it. Because she doesn't even really know what happened.

Kelli (02:11.783)
She wasn't trying.

Kelli (02:32.987)
Right.

Wendy (02:38.626)
Like I said, she said it, she just kind of shut down because that's how she's used to dealing with things.

Kelli (02:45.091)
And it probably could be some post-traumatic from her marriage. I don't know what went on, but it could be.

Wendy (02:49.384)
definitely. Yeah, it definitely could be. No, we don't know what went on. We don't. But Tamra's calling Katie a silent assassin. She's apologizing, but she won't listen or give me the chance to speak. They ask her if she wants to have a relationship.

And Katie's like, yeah, like she wants to move forward. And Shannon said, well, how do we move forward with these ladies? So Shannon's trying to explain to Katie that you're going to need to maybe apologize in a different way. so she tries to do it, but she says the butt and she's like, you're going to have to leave out the butt. She's like, well, the butt was like, I don't know if they want to move forward with me. Well, just leave that out. So then they're all going to the hot pot. So Tamra, Gina and Emily are all going to the hot pot.

Tamar said that Katie started to, she announces at the hot pot that Katie started recording the video of Shannon at the Galleria photo shoot when she was having this full blown meltdown. And that was last season. At the end of the season, they do the pictures for the season. And not only did she video record it, but she sent it to Alexis while

Shannon was in the midst of litigation with John Jansen, her fiance.

Kelli (04:17.317)
Yeah, I mean, this is what Gina is saying happened, right? I mean, this is what Tamra is saying happened.

Wendy (04:18.262)
I mean, that was a big bomb.

Wendy (04:28.288)
Yes, this is what Tamar saying happened. That's what, yes.

Kelli (04:34.949)
This is when they're still at the lymphatic drainage place, right? So Tamara tells Gina and Emily this tea and clearly probably after the cameras go down, she then instructs Gina to bring it up at the hot pot lunch. Right.

Wendy (04:38.214)
Yes, yes.

right.

Wendy (04:50.592)
Exactly, at the hot pot lunch. So then we see Sophie's at Shannon's and she's living in New York City and she's got an incredible job working in sports. Yep. She's talking about how Love Hotel is coming out soon that we know, you we recapped her, her episodes on Love Hotel.

Kelli (05:06.488)
for her.

Kelli (05:18.545)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (05:18.694)
And Sophie asks if she wants to do a dating app. She's, you know, because she's single now and she wants to try and help her get out there. But I don't think Shannon is really ready for a dating app. I don't think that Shannon is dating app material.

Kelli (05:32.631)
No, and she said that she did date Earl for a few months, but it just didn't work out, which we knew, but I like that she acknowledged it on the show, because I hate when they do something like that and then don't even acknowledge it on the other show, you know, like it never happened. Yeah, exactly.

Wendy (05:36.962)
Right.

Wendy (05:44.386)
And they do, right. No, I agree. like that they definitely, right, right. Like, didn't do that. Then we see Emily and Shane are talking about Luke declining over the last few weeks. They're in the car. guess Emily had just gotten done with her therapist and she was talking to her therapist about it and how she's going to do the ASD testing so she can see where he's at.

You know, she wants to know where he's at so she knows what to do. Emily feels like Shane doesn't take it as seriously as she does. And while she's talking to him, she says in the car, you know, you know, as a mom, and he's like, well, I'm a dad too. I understand. I completely understand what she's saying.

Kelli (06:12.764)
Yeah.

Kelli (06:30.023)
understand what she's saying, but I understand what he's saying too. Like stop saying as a mom, like it affects the fathers just as much. They may have a different outlook on it, but, and I don't think it's not that he's taking it seriously. One, I don't think Shane's probably super comfortable talking about this on camera and putting this out there for the whole world to see. Remember he's a Mormon. They don't typically like to put everything out there.

Wendy (06:35.352)
Right.

Wendy (06:54.901)
Yeah.

Kelli (06:59.975)
I mean being a Mormon or not, I don't think men in general like to put things out there. So that might be something, but I think that fathers, know, where we're, I don't want to say we're more nurturing because I hate it when people say that, but we want to, you know, we want to get to the root of the problem. want to, he really might think like, listen, he is a, what is he nine? He's a nine year old kid.

Wendy (07:06.508)
bright.

Wendy (07:27.981)
Yeah.

Kelli (07:29.689)
and he's going through some shit with eating. Like, it could be a phase, you know? It's clearly not. But somebody could think that.

Wendy (07:40.374)
Right, No, his feelings are valid and I think her feelings are valid too, right? Then we see Katie and Matt go over to Jen and Ryan's for tacos and tequila. It turns out that I guess after the whole reunion, Katie and Matt got close to Jen and Ryan because Matt was really kind of a little bit leery of getting close to.

Kelli (07:45.773)
Absolutely.

Wendy (08:06.668)
Ryan, because of the FBI thing and the conversations when he was standing in the corner, like listening to the conversations that were going on at that party. And Ryan's business partner was there, and he just didn't feel comfortable with that. I guess once that was all resolved, after the reunion, they were able to get close, which I kind of like for them.

Kelli (08:15.452)
Yeah.

Kelli (08:28.741)
Yeah, yeah, I do. do. I think they're good allies for each other.

Wendy (08:34.638)
Then we see Heather goes over to Tamar's house and she brings her champagne. Tamar's in middle of having her kitchen redone because of some sort of flood or something. Like, I didn't understand that.

Kelli (08:46.587)
I just thought she was having her kitchen done. Did she say something?

Wendy (08:48.49)
No, she, yeah, she said something had happened. So, Heather brings the champagne up to her bedroom. Okay. Am I the only one that thinks that this is weird? There's not another room in the house?

Kelli (09:04.593)
Well, when Heather and Tama go up to her bedroom and eat on her bed, ew. That's disgusting.

Wendy (09:07.798)
Yeah, yeah. Sorry about that. Yeah, it was disgusting. Like what was, I mean, like I said, there's other rooms in the house.

Kelli (09:20.571)
Yeah, I didn't, I thought that was gross.

Wendy (09:24.416)
And of course she makes a mess with the champagne when she's opening it. And then we find out later on that she actually spills a whole glass of champagne on Eddie's side of the bed.

Kelli (09:28.988)
Yeah.

Kelli (09:38.087)
Ready? I need to get up on out there. How about when, so Heather, guess, met up with Gretchen and tells Tamara and Tamara says, does she have a nose? Because her nose is blurred in all of her pictures. Tamara, you should, want me to pause?

Wendy (09:38.349)
I'm like, what?

Wendy (09:51.598)
Hold on one sec. Hold up. Yeah.

Wendy (10:01.166)
So they're in the bed eating onion rings. Disgusting. Disgusting.

Kelli (10:01.371)
Yeah, that was gross.

Kelli (10:07.141)
Yeah, so then Tamara asks Heather, does Gretchen have the news? It's blurred in all of her pictures. Listen, Tamara, Gretchen was way hotter than you. You were not the hottest housewife when Gretchen came on the scene. She was hotter than you then. She is way fucking hotter than you now. So clap back on that.

Wendy (10:28.0)
I agree. Gretchen says that she's not been on for 11 years. And then we see that Gretchen and Slade go over to Jen and Ryan's house with Katie and Matt. So they're all there together. I thought that was, yeah, I thought that was great. I also, I'll have to say, like, and I'm not being mean, but I was just looking at their faces and granted, you know, I have a big TV, but Tamara's face.

Kelli (10:39.196)
and Ryan.

That was great.

Wendy (10:56.364)
doesn't look all that great and Gretchen's face does.

Kelli (11:00.261)
and Gretchen claims she's had no plastic surgery.

Wendy (11:03.242)
I know. I know. don't know how. I don't know. But she really does.

Kelli (11:08.283)
I mean, she's young, she's a lot younger, she's probably ten years younger than Tamara, don't you think?

Wendy (11:13.122)
Possibly, yeah, possibly 10 years younger. She is, she definitely is. thought that honestly, I thought that she looked great.

Kelli (11:16.135)
But still, she's clearly taking care of herself.

Kelli (11:23.366)
Yeah, I do too.

Wendy (11:25.379)
Gretchen in her confessional says that every new housewife reaches out to her and asks how do I deal with Tamra and I just tell them to run. Which that doesn't surprise me.

Kelli (11:34.779)
Me neither. I believe that 100%.

Wendy (11:39.854)
Gretchen and Slade's daughter is five and a half and I can't believe they have a five and a half year old daughter.

Kelli (11:48.593)
Did she say they've been together for 16 years? No. I swear I thought she said they were together for 16 years. It can't be.

Wendy (11:52.945)
I didn't hear her say that.

Wendy (11:57.198)
No, I mean, it can't be because she's been gone for 11 and they were maybe together two years or two years on the show. Yeah.

Kelli (12:06.405)
Yeah, I must have misheard that. Yeah.

Wendy (12:12.748)
So Gretchen says that she really doesn't feel the need to have a friendship with Tamara. Heather, then back at Tamara says, Heather says to Tamara, it's time to move forward. Tamara said that Jen reached out to Gretchen and Tamara thinks that Jen wants her life and she's trying to be me. What?

Kelli (12:30.183)
She said that she went to her old hair salon and got her old extensions put in her hair. That would never fucking happen, Tamra. You lie, you really are the liar of all liars. You lie about things that are so outrageous. You're so stupid. That would never happen. I'll tell you what could happen. If someone gets extensions and they have to color them to match, they will take them out.

Wendy (12:35.234)
That was so weird.

Wendy (12:39.735)
Right.

Kelli (12:59.621)
wash them, dye them, dry them, reinstall them on that person. But there would never be a day, especially not in OC, California, they're gonna take a pair of extensions out of one woman's hair and put them in another woman's hair. There's no way.

Wendy (13:20.098)
Did she mean the exact extensions or did she mean one?

Kelli (13:22.373)
That's what she said. She said they took my old extensions out and put them in her hair. Now, maybe she didn't mean that, but if that's what she meant, she's cuckoo-cachoo, because it'll never happen.

Wendy (13:32.704)
Yeah, yeah. I think either way it's crazy. Like don't think anybody in their right mind would do that. I don't think that they would do that. And I don't think that Gretchen, I don't think that Gretchen wants Tamara's life. Like what is there to want? Jen, Jen definitely does not want, Jen definitely does not want, no. No, absolutely not. I mean, no, no.

Kelli (13:40.399)
No, she's...

Kelli (13:46.821)
No, she's talking about Jen, and I don't think Jen wants Tamra's life either. Yeah. No. No.

Wendy (14:01.482)
then Gretchen said, pisses me off. What? What pisses me off is the things that she said about me on her podcast, two years ago when Slade's son passed away from cancer. She went on her podcast and said that, Slade, like why were, why were they, why was there a GoFundMe page to bury him? Like he was a deadbeat dad. That's horrible.

Kelli (14:03.329)
go ahead. How about when.

Kelli (14:28.561)
But yet Tamra will turn around and say, nobody should go after the kids. That's going after his, you're bringing up his child who passed away. You are the lowest of the low. And how about when she showed Heather the picture of what Jen used to look like and basically calls her fat.

Wendy (14:33.251)
Right.

Wendy (14:38.808)
from cancer.

Right.

Wendy (14:47.82)
Yeah, that was odd. Yeah, she said she was a lot heavier. What? I mean, I-

Kelli (14:55.513)
Yep. She's a piece of shit.

Wendy (15:00.332)
I mean, Jen looks amazing now. She looks amazing. She's in great shape. She's in great shape.

Kelli (15:04.423)
Absolutely.

Listen, she could have just given birth in that picture. She's got a lot of kids, Jen.

Wendy (15:13.902)
She does have a lot of kids. She does.

Kelli (15:16.975)
And even if it wasn't right after she gave birth, she's got a lot of kids to take care of, and she takes care of her kids, Tamara. So she's got a lot on her plate.

Wendy (15:25.005)
Yeah.

Wendy (15:30.542)
Yeah, I agree. I don't know why Tamra feels the need to go for people so low like that.

Kelli (15:40.391)
She's so low and then has the balls to go on her podcast and comment on other people. Like she's the slimiest housewife out there, I think.

Wendy (15:52.62)
I agree because then Heather is telling Gretchen that she needs to give Tamar grace because her best friend Teddy's going through cancer and Gretchen's like, well, where was the grace she gave me when two people in my life died from cancer? You know, my ex fiance and Slade's son. Like, where was the grace then? And it's true. It's absolutely true.

Kelli (16:08.219)
Yep. Right. Absolutely true. Absolutely true.

Wendy (16:15.852)
And then Tamar's like, well, does she remember contacting my daughter? Sydney posted something about me and Gretchen reached out to her. And she's like, Gretchen is a known liar and manipulator. But then we find out from Gretchen, her daughter posted something and she commented on it, on a public post. That's not reaching out. It's not reaching out. It's not reaching out. I mean, your daughter Sydney gave you one rule to get you back in her life.

Kelli (16:32.305)
That's all she did was comment. She did not. Nope. Nope.

Wendy (16:44.466)
for her graduation. Please do not post anything. Please do not post anything. And what does she do? She posts.

Kelli (16:51.239)
post.

Yep. So hypocritical.

Wendy (17:00.174)
So the day of the hot pot, Tamar says that she's going to match Gretchen's energy. Which, I mean, I guess is a good strategy if you're going into a meeting with someone that you have history with. Like you don't want to be the one going in hot, but you don't want to, you know, be timid either.

Kelli (17:13.627)
Right.

Kelli (17:21.369)
No, I mean, I think they probably both went in there to match each other.

Wendy (17:27.124)
Yeah, I do too. I do too.

so Shannon gets there and she announces that, Sophie broke up with her boyfriend. She wanted to focus on her career. And everyone at the table was like, wait, what? Which I was like, good for Sophie. Like good for her. Like be independent, you know, do it on your own. If it's meant to be, it'll be, but you're young. Go out there and live your life. And I'm sure watching her mom, like, you know, the way her mom, everything happened between her and her father.

Kelli (17:40.645)
Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

Kelli (17:53.733)
Right, right.

Wendy (18:00.014)
Of course she wants to be independent. You don't want to ever rely on a man when you've watched this happen, right?

Kelli (18:05.797)
Yeah, she met him at college, so who knows where he lives and she's in the city. Like it's, you know.

Wendy (18:11.072)
Right, right. So Gretchen sits down and says, hi, Tamara. Tamara says hi. Emily said, I met Gretchen at my 40th birthday. And she also said that's when her relationship with Tamara suffered. I thought that was interesting.

Kelli (18:29.672)
And she said, I'll never make that mistake again.

Wendy (18:34.776)
Yeah.

Kelli (18:36.679)
So Emily is totally 100 % doing Tamra and Heather's dirty work. She works for them. She's basically their employee. I hope they offer her medical and dental insurance.

Wendy (18:43.338)
I think so I would have to agree with that.

I don't think that's going to happen. I don't think that's happening.

Kelli (18:50.343)
Gina and Emily are employees of Heather Dubrow and Tamara.

Wendy (18:57.592)
Katie says, I appreciate you all all coming and I have regrets for things. She also says, listen, I regret some of the things that I did. Gina said, well now everything you do I'm questioning. And Tamara said, Katie came to my house and explained everything to me about the blogger. So, because the blogger was the big issue and we left it hanging at the spa that she was going to prove it.

that it was a DM, right? But she didn't have service. So Tamara's explaining, well, she came over to my house and she explained everything and she apologized that she DMed me and then I called her on Instagram. And Tamara's like, I, you know, thank you for being honest. But Gina's like, but how do you forget an entire conversation with a vlogger? And I agree with her. Like, how do you forget an entire conversation with a vlogger? I do believe that

Kelli (19:45.147)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (19:57.336)
Katie's a bit shady when it comes to this stuff. And I think it's what you said. She didn't think she was coming back.

Kelli (20:03.045)
I really think that's what it comes down to. I think she just thought that's it. I was the one and done. So let me just put everything I know out there. Burn the house down. Yeah? Yeah?

Wendy (20:10.306)
Burn the house down. Burn the house down. Right?

Wendy (20:18.89)
And that's when Gina says, Shannon, you you said we were all ganging up on Katie. We were just trying to get to the bottom of this. And Shannon said, well, it's not the subject matter you were talking about. It's about every single person at the table going after one person.

That's when Gina drops the bomb about what Tamar told her about at the gallery photo shoot that Katie videotaped you and then sent that video to Alexis. And then she, and I don't blame her. I do not blame her.

Kelli (20:46.695)
channel was passed.

Kelli (20:51.751)
I don't either. Had it not been for the lawsuit, it wouldn't have been that big of a deal, but she was in the middle of a litigation with them.

Wendy (20:53.144)
Katie said there's no video.

Wendy (21:01.314)
Yes. Yeah, I know. Katie said, there's no video. I recorded of Shannon. Shannon said, what video? Tamar said, you actually told me that you did. So.

Kelli (21:14.023)
Did Tamara say that Katie told her she did?

Wendy (21:16.206)
Yes. then, but then when Jen is sitting there, Katie's also saying that I showed it to them. I showed it to them, meaning Jen and Alexis, not that she sent it to them. And Jen is like, I don't know what you're talking about. Like I never saw any video. don't know what you're talking about. And I believe Jen didn't know what she was talking about.

Kelli (21:21.467)
Don't trust Amr, ladies.

Kelli (21:43.985)
then didn't she, I believe Jen too, didn't she then turn around and say it was a voice note, not a video? That she sent a voice note to her husband?

Wendy (21:50.862)
She does later say that, that it wasn't a video, that it was a voice. It was just...

Kelli (21:55.611)
Yeah. So she's definitely, I mean, Katie.

Wendy (22:00.887)
Yeah.

Kelli (22:03.687)
Stick with one story, Katie.

Wendy (22:05.294)
Katie said, the only one that's ever heard it is Matt. Emily said, then how would Alexis know about it? And Katie said, well, we spoke about it. And Jen's like, I never spoke about it. That's when they're going back and forth. Tamara said, Alexis said you played it for both of them. Meaning that it was played, not that it was sent. And Jen said, I don't know what you're talking about. I've never heard it. I don't know what you're talking about.

So Shannon gets up and is like, I need to go to the bathroom. I think that was the right thing to do. I do. think she handled it perfectly. And I think that that's one of the things that Shannon has worked on since the DUI, that she doesn't really react like she used to. She kind of stops, composes herself, and either removes herself from the situation or tries to handle it calmly.

Kelli (22:39.163)
for sure.

Kelli (22:56.592)
Yeah.

Right.

Wendy (23:02.997)
Even when she came back to the table, I mean, I thought it was odd that Emily finished her sentence. You're gonna leave, right? Well, okay, she was about to say that, Emily. Why did you have to say that? I thought that was odd. Gina says to Katie, we are not trying to hurt you, so there's no need for you to try to hurt us in a way like that. Katie said, I did some shitty things and I regret doing it. She said, you know what I miss the most is talking and laughing and hanging out with you, Gina. And Gina's like, well, you know.

Kelli (23:13.893)
Right, right. Yeah, that was odd.

Wendy (23:31.788)
That's what I hang on to because they were actually friends prior to her coming on the show. right, they really were friends.

Kelli (23:34.587)
Yeah. mean, Gina really did bring her on the show.

Wendy (23:41.39)
You know, Katie apologizes to Emily and Gina says, I'm truly sorry for hurting you and Gina. Gina accepts it and says, thank you, but Emily does not accept it, which is fine.

Kelli (23:54.087)
She can't accept it because Heather hates Katie because Katie blew up her spot about the paparazzi pictures. So Emily, just like she'll never make that mistake again with Tamara, she won't dare make that mistake with Heather. She's not gonna forgive Katie. It's a done deal, Katie. Let it lie. She'll never go against Heather and Heather wants you out.

Wendy (23:59.512)
brought up the paparazzi. Right.

Wendy (24:11.278)
Yeah, I think.

Wendy (24:18.112)
No, I agree. Then Shannon comes back to the table and she said she's gonna remove herself. And Jen said, it says, we are all moving forward is very much feels like we're holding Katie accountable for everything. And Emily yells across the table, Katie has done things that nobody else at this table has done. She gave information about my kids to a blogger. Katie said, I did not give them information. And Gresham is like, well, no, Tamara, Tamara did that to me.

Kelli (24:46.513)
This is the funniest thing though. That's what I was just gonna say. Emily's yelling that Katie gave information to a blogger. Tamara still obviously talks to Slade's ex-wife. Still to this day. Because she said something in her confessional that indicated that she was still in contact with her. Why are you in contact with Slade's ex-wife?

Wendy (25:00.461)
Right.

Wendy (25:11.788)
Right. Right.

Kelli (25:14.116)
And then she says, why is Gretchen still concerned if Slade is a deadbeat dad? Why are you still concerned if Slade is a deadbeat dad, Tamara? You're the one who should not be concerned.

Wendy (25:24.95)
Right, exactly. You're the one who keeps putting that narrative out there. She's just concerned you keep slandering him. And Katie did not put any information out about Emily's children to a vlogger. She did not.

Kelli (25:30.715)
Right!

Right.

Kelli (25:42.085)
No, what she did was on TV and she said, she thought, listen, to think about it, it is kind of funny if those kids said that. And now I believe the kids totally 100 % said it because I think that Emily, just like Janet on the Valley is going to great lengths to try to prove that this didn't happen. And to me, that means it happened.

Wendy (25:50.168)
Right.

Wendy (26:05.1)
Yeah, I think I agree with that. mean, in this situation, I 100 % agree with that. Like, if it didn't happen, it didn't happen. Like, why are you making such a big deal about what, at the time, they were eight-year-olds said? And a...

Kelli (26:16.463)
Right. And if your ex nanny said something, okay, that's my ex nanny and she doesn't work for me anymore. So obviously she has reason to say things negative about me and let it go. You're going to hire the Menendez brothers lawyer to write a cease and desist letter.

Wendy (26:21.1)
Yeah, that's not on her.

Wendy (26:34.838)
Well, it turns out, did you see her on Watch What Happens Live? That's her friend. Yeah, it's her friend, though they're friends.

Kelli (26:37.797)
Yeah, that's what she said.

Yeah, but why did she have to bring up the Menendez brothers? Like, do you think that that brings some kind of clout?

Wendy (26:43.884)
Because she will

I think she does because she's telling you I brought this powerful attorney.

Kelli (26:51.857)
to write a cease and desist letter. You and I could do that.

Wendy (26:53.568)
Right. Well, I don't know about that, but. Okay, there you go.

Kelli (26:58.254)
chat GBT, we could do anything.

Wendy (27:07.991)
So Gretchen says, even just a few years ago, you're still talking about me and Slade on the podcast. So that's a problem. Tamar said, what did we say? You said that Slade was a piece of shit and a deadbeat dad. Tamar said, was he? Gretchen said, no, he's never been a deadbeat dad. It was so smug to the way she said it. She looked at him. She goes, was he? No, no, he wasn't. And Gretchen said, you are the one who's proved to be a liar multiple times. Tamar said, what did I lie about?

Kelli (27:28.647)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (27:40.066)
She said, you were sued for lying and you almost got sued again from Ryan. I apologized for that. She's like, Jen said, there's a lot of pain that some of us have felt a lot. Tamar rolls her eyes and then Jen says, you're gonna roll your eyes at me? Like Jen is actually, she could have piled up on Tamar about that because it was Ryan that she was gonna get sued from, because he sent her a cease and desist because she was slandering him. And.

Kelli (28:04.613)
Right. Right.

Wendy (28:07.266)
You know, to roll your eyes at Jen, I don't blame Jen for like enough already, right?

Kelli (28:11.943)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Wendy (28:14.562)
Tamara says, well, do you think that she's crystal clean? Do you know that she contacted my daughter? Gretchen's like, I did not contact your daughter. I comment on a post. It's not the same thing. It's not.

Kelli (28:26.169)
It's definitely not the same thing.

Wendy (28:28.77)
So she's like, Tamar said it wasn't her post, it was Simon's. Gretchen said, no, you don't take accountability for anything. okay, even if it was Simon's post, but it wasn't, what would it matter? It's still a public post. Right.

Kelli (28:41.201)
Right. Right, and she commented.

Wendy (28:48.158)
And her daughter came out and said that it was not his post.

Kelli (28:51.643)
Right, right.

Wendy (28:56.011)
And Jen.

Kelli (28:56.037)
Now, what is with Emily putting the fucking eggs in her purse?

Wendy (29:00.206)
my God. It's just crazy. I swear to God. You know.

Kelli (29:01.617)
What is wrong with her?

I'm starting to think that like, because when she grew up, she always says how she didn't like have a lot of food in the refrigerator. I'm starting to think that it's like a mental situation with her.

Wendy (29:15.17)
Well, I'll be honest with you. And I don't like to say this, but I think that she may have an eating disorder. mean, she's saying that her son has an eating disorder. think that she may have an eating And listen, I'm not a doctor. I'm not a therapist. I do think that she has body image issues. And she's made it perfectly clear that.

Kelli (29:22.919)
yeah, you're right.

Kelli (29:28.761)
No, I see what you're saying, though.

Kelli (29:34.737)
For sure. Well, Tam recalling her Shrek at one point certainly didn't help that.

Wendy (29:40.07)
No, it did not help. It did not help. But I do think that she, you know, although she does these things out in the open, I do think that she probably does a lot of closet eating and these are kind of closeted acts like, I'm just gonna throw it in my bag so I can eat it on the ride home. let me just put these cookies in my pocket. Because I don't know. I don't know. I that's

Kelli (30:01.307)
Right. Yeah, no, I think you're absolutely right, quite honestly. And I'm not a doctor either.

Wendy (30:07.084)
I mean, I did think it was funny though. I did laugh because the freaking egg cracked in her pocketbook. Jen asked Tamar if she wants to take any accountability for this. And Tamar says, well, I'll take accountability for anything that I've done. OK, Tamar said, I thought we could move forward. Gretchen said, what made you think we could move forward?

Kelli (30:13.211)
Right. Right.

Wendy (30:34.464)
So, Tamar's like, okay, then if we can, we can't. Tamar's like, this bitch is gone after me for 12 years. And she's clapping her hands at her. 12 years she's been going after me. She's acting like a lunatic. Remember when she said, it's my opinion. She's clapping her hands at me. 12 years, right? Yes, yes. And she's acting like a lunatic.

Kelli (30:54.863)
Yes. she totally loses it. Gretchen stays completely composed.

Kelli (31:04.485)
Yep, yep. She totally lost it. Yes. Me too. It is the best way to handle Tamara. Just stay calm and hold your shit together.

Wendy (31:06.53)
I mean, right? And I loved how calm Gretchen was. Gretchen's like...

Yeah.

Wendy (31:17.367)
Right.

Wendy (31:22.284)
Right, wanted, I wish I wasn't, like I was screaming in the TV screen, like, you are not matching Gretchen's energy. No, you are not. I know that's what the intention was, but you were acting like a lunatic, clapping your hands. Gina then says, well, it seems like there's a lot of hurt on both sides. You think? Maybe there's a way to move forward. Tamara says, well, you've been hurt, I've been hurt.

Kelli (31:28.824)
No, no!

Kelli (31:35.202)
Exactly.

Wendy (31:50.774)
It's just about having accountability for the things that have happened. And she says that therapy has taught me that. I don't always have to be right. I'm like, what?

Kelli (32:00.839)
I really wish that she would stop talking about therapy because one, it didn't work.

Wendy (32:08.534)
Well, I mean, it's a process. It's a process. I it's a process. I think that she needs a lot more therapy. I do too.

Kelli (32:11.367)
It just didn't.

Kelli (32:18.673)
Yeah. I think she needs a lot more.

Kelli (32:25.809)
So watch what happens live. Emily was on with the girl from Love Island. So Tess actually sat and watched it with me because Tess loves that girl. Well, she was on. So I asked Tess, I said, I think her name was Leah. I'm like, was that the first season of Love Island? And I'm stupid, I forgot because she's like, no, but it was the first season where it really became popular. And I said, I bet you because Ariana went on it and hosted it. And that was like, know, Ariana's, you know.

Wendy (32:27.754)
Yes.

Wendy (32:55.106)
Yeah.

Kelli (32:55.899)
the second coming of Jesus here. And I feel bad because I like Hailey Dumpy from Modern Family and apparently they kicked her off to give Ariana the spot, but whatever. So this girl, Lea, is not on Love Island this season. She's on like a spin-off. I guess they did a spin-off with some of the people from her season. Because Tess said everybody from her season was really good. Like this season, your people aren't really as interested. Well, I think it already ended, but.

Wendy (32:57.975)
Yes, yes.

Wendy (33:20.16)
okay.

Wendy (33:24.608)
It did end, yeah, it did end.

Kelli (33:25.893)
Yeah.

Wendy (33:29.25)
Yeah, but Emily did bring up about, she had her attorney there with her in the audience at Watch What Happens Live, and it was the attorney, like you said, who's representing the Menendez brothers. Okay, and.

Kelli (33:41.635)
I know, like, do you think that's a flex? I guess she thinks that's a flex.

Wendy (33:45.675)
Yeah.

Kelli (33:50.385)
How cute were Riley and Ariana from NYC, Next Gen, Next Gen, NYC, whatever it is, in the audience? They were so starstruck with Lea from Love Island. That was super cute, super, super cute.

Wendy (33:50.434)
I don't know.

Wendy (33:56.874)
Yes.

Wendy (34:03.572)
I loved that. so loved that. I so love those two together. I really do.

Kelli (34:11.735)
I am so happy, and I'm not watching the show, but I am so happy that despite their mom's differences, they've like reconnected. Because, I mean, I wasn't excited to watch Aria. Her and Gia are really the only reason I didn't watch it. But I'm happy to see another side of her and that they're friends again. Because they're super cute together.

Wendy (34:33.004)
Yes, they really are super cute together. And I think it was the next night that Riley was on with Candy. And that was a great episode on Watch What Happens Live. You have to watch it. It's so good. It's such a good episode. It's so good.

Kelli (34:43.576)
I have that in my DVR, I haven't watched it yet. That I'll watch, I love candy.

Did he ask Candy how she felt about Phaedra coming back to Atlanta?

Wendy (34:54.05)
Yeah, he did. She didn't I don't think she answered. I don't think she answered.

Kelli (34:59.685)
Okay, so Emily said that Luke, on Watch What Happens Live, Emily said that Luke is better and a lot of his stressors are gone in the summer, no school, no filming. So I thought that that was interesting. There's nothing you could do about school unless he goes to a special school or you homeschool. But if filming is a stressor for him, what are you gonna do?

Wendy (35:14.35)
Yeah, I did too.

Kelli (35:26.971)
They don't need the money. Shane and Emily don't need the money. Shane's family is clearly extremely wealthy. I think Emily likes the spotlight. I think Emily likes, you know, the fame. But it will be interesting to see if that remains a stressor for her son. I mean, he could just not be on camera, obviously. I mean, this would be a legitimate reason to not have your kids.

Wendy (35:29.953)
Nope.

Yes, they don't need the money.

Wendy (35:43.414)
I do too. I do too.

Wendy (35:57.078)
Yeah, and honestly, at his age, I don't even know that you need a legitimate reason, right?

Kelli (35:57.179)
Film.

Kelli (36:01.775)
Right. Her daughter seems to like it though. And her daughter definitely like wants to be in the business. So I don't know. But when...

Wendy (36:07.788)
Right, yeah, so they could focus on her.

Kelli (36:15.185)
Didn't he ask her, like, don't you think it's hypocritical that you said, right? And she was like, no, I don't think so, because I said it to her face.

Wendy (36:21.036)
Yes.

Yep, that's exactly what she said and I call bullshit. I call bullshit. Don't you think it's hypocritical that you what you said about her custody? no, I said it to her face at the reunion. That's what you come to the reunion for is to hash things out. No, no, no, no. 100 % it's hypocritical and you cannot even own it later. How many months later? No, again, I've said this many times. I...

Kelli (36:25.829)
Yeah, that was terrible.

Wendy (36:51.794)
used to be very much team Emily. I used to really like Emily a lot until last season. Last season I saw a different side of Emily and I don't like the mean girl Emily. I just don't like it. I don't think it's necessary. I don't.

Kelli (37:00.785)
Totally agree.

Kelli (37:08.581)
Well, you know how I feel. It's because she wants to stay in good with Heather and...

Wendy (37:19.65)
Tamra. It's the fancy pants effect.

Kelli (37:20.837)
Right.

Exactly.

Wendy (37:25.57)
I mean, it used to be Gina that was fighting for Heather's attention, but I don't even see Gina doing it anymore. I don't see Gina doing it with Tamara either.

Kelli (37:36.615)
Right. No. And I mean, at the end, somebody asked her, you think you're afraid of Tamra or something? And she said, I'm not afraid of Tamra. But honestly, she might not be afraid of Tamra. Afraid's a strong word. I don't think she's afraid of either of them. no, I think she's afraid of Heather. I do think she's afraid of Heather. I think she just, like she said, like she's not gonna make that mistake. She just wants to stay on their good side.

Wendy (38:06.316)
Yeah, I think that that's true. I agree with that. I don't like it though.

Kelli (38:12.091)
I have to hang up. Are we good?

Wendy (38:14.734)
Okay. Yeah. All right. Thank you for watching and listening. Bye.

Kelli (38:21.649)
Bye.