RHOC-Drawers, Drama, and Drunken Departures

Wendy (00:01.065)
Hi, welcome to We Why Whenever. I'm Wendy. We are talking about Real Housewives of Orange County, season 19, episode number five, The Big Uneasy. Eh, it's okay.

Kelli (00:03.479)
I'm Kelly.

Kelli (00:14.99)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (00:17.169)
We start out with Gina's housewarming party day. It's the day of, and at this point, let's see, all the ladies are there except Tamara, Shannon, and Heather in the beginning of the party. So Gina asks Jen if Jen met with Tamara, and she did. And it started with, I'm obsessed with her, single white female. She just said,

that Heather told me that Tamara pulled up this former fatty photo of Jen. Now, it's Gina that's calling it the fatty photo.

Kelli (00:57.152)
It is Gina calling it that.

Wendy (00:58.107)
It's Gina that's calling it the fatty photo, right? So then Heather shows up and she's telling them about her quick visit to Paris to visit Max and then Tamara shows up and they're all sitting on the couch and then Gretchen, it's so awkward. They're all sitting there just like, it's so awkward. Gretchen asks Gina, like, what's your favorite part of the house?

Kelli (01:01.218)
Yes, yes.

Kelli (01:20.843)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (01:25.073)
And she's like, it's really nice to have a pantry. That's like a dream come true. I'm like a pantry. And I did like my drawers and Heather's like, do you say drawers? She's like, yeah. She's like, not drawers. And she's like, no, drawers, like your panties. I was like, so funny what she had.

Kelli (01:43.502)
you

Wendy (01:46.121)
you

Kelli (01:47.448)
Draw draw. That's what I say draw. I don't say drawer

Wendy (01:53.107)
Kitchen drawer. You say kitchen drawers? You say draw? Okay, it's an East Coast thing then.

Kelli (01:55.192)
Kitchen draw. Kitchen draw. I do. It must be, yeah. Okay. I never thought about it.

Wendy (02:01.971)
Kitchen drawer, kitchen drawer. It's drawer. Kitchen drawer. It's, well, I don't know drawer, drawer.

Kelli (02:06.552)
Sure.

Wendy (02:12.073)
That's it, drawer. Whatever, it is what it is, right? And then Shannon's the last to show up with her nine lemon soaps in a bowl, which it was cute.

Kelli (02:13.272)
more. Alright.

Kelli (02:18.562)
I know, I know.

Kelli (02:25.336)
That was cute. Yeah.

Wendy (02:30.429)
So then there's food there. Tamar has her chef there. And it turns out like they kind of split up. Some ladies are inside eating once they get their food and some ladies are outside. And ladies are telling Tamar that she needs to eat. She's like, she's trying, but her stomach is in knots because of what's going on with Teddy. Teddy just came home at this point. She still has four tumors in her brain and two in her lungs, which is serious. I get that. mean, she is going through it there,

Kelli (02:51.948)
Phew. So serious. Yeah.

Wendy (02:59.401)
And then she goes on to say that, you know, when they were in New Orleans three weeks ago for the Super Bowl, Teddy fell down the stairs. So again, like we're seeing that these brain tumors had been really affecting her and she just for whatever reason wasn't going to get it checked out.

Kelli (03:24.302)
mean, think about how your body feels on a day-to-day basis. Like, I could feel aches and pains and jolts and cramps and, I mean, all day long and not even think about it. And honestly, my mother had, they called it a hemangioma. She did have a tumor behind her eye that was pushing it out. It was benign, thank God. But they said by the time they took it out, it was the size of a tennis ball. And it had probably been there for over 10 years.

Wendy (03:46.665)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (03:53.708)
So I'm thinking about this, but poor Teddy, I'm like, how long did she have these and how big are they? But it couldn't have been long, right?

Wendy (03:54.803)
my God, 10 years.

because she had been getting all those scans. No, it couldn't have been long because of the cancer she had already been getting like all these, like she'd already been, you know, being tested. They grew very quickly. But she did say that she had really bad headaches for a long time, right?

Kelli (04:06.166)
Right.

Kelli (04:11.245)
Yeah.

Kelli (04:19.126)
and just thought they were like migraines.

Wendy (04:21.147)
And yeah, just thought, right? So the ladies are split up, some are outside. So Shannon, Heather, Emily and Jen are all outside and they're talking about the photo of Jen that Tamar showed her. Jen said, why was the photo being shown to me? she's, know, Heather's, Heather said she was showing it cause she was saying how you look so different. She said she looks cute. Jen said, so she showed it to be kind?

Kelli (04:23.491)
Yeah.

Wendy (04:49.797)
And Heather's like, no, it was more like you want to be her. Meaning like you can't.

Kelli (04:55.31)
Here's my thing with this picture. First of all, Heather, stop defending Tamara, because you know what she was doing, and she's disgusting. Emily, shame on you. Shame on you for not having such a reaction to this after you made your entire storyline one season based on Heather fat shaming you because she told you to bring your own jeans to her fake fashion show. And she put you in the same dress as somebody else who was skinny.

Shame on Emily in this scene for not being like, she did what with what picture? Right? Total hypocrite.

Wendy (05:28.275)
Right.

Yeah, no, I agree. mean, and then Heather goes on to say, meaning like you came to the gym, you wanted to do fitness. If you spell it out from another person's point of view, it's not like, it's not my fight, you were about to say, from her perspective. And Heather's like, well, there are two sides to everything. Like Jen called her out on, Jen says, Heather, you're being bamboozled.

Kelli (06:00.556)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (06:00.935)
Really? And it's not that Heather's being bamboozled, because Heather's not stupid. Heather's playing into it. Heather's playing into it. Unlike, honestly, what happened with the fashion show, I think that there was no malicious intent there. And I don't think that she ever considered that when she asked Emily to bring her own jeans. I don't think that was ever.

Kelli (06:05.506)
right. Heather knows exactly what's going on.

Kelli (06:11.235)
Yes.

Kelli (06:23.618)
totally agree with you and I didn't then either and I do not like Heather DeBrow, I am not a fan at all. But I don't think she did any of that maliciously. probably, her line probably doesn't make size 12 jeans. And at the time, Emily was a size 12. A lot of places don't. It is weird, it is weird because in other countries, 12s are like average, but here it's like plus size, which is ridiculous.

Wendy (06:28.453)
Right, no, I don't think

Wendy (06:36.732)
Right.

Right. That's weird.

Wendy (06:46.857)
Right.

Kelli (06:51.682)
But, and then the dress thing, like, well, you would wanna show a dress on somebody very thin and somebody full-figured to show that it's a complimentary dress no matter what size you are. But let's, the bottom line was, it was a fake fashion show. There was no, there's no fashion line. There's nothing, it was a story for Heather to, you know, it was fake. But that whole season, going into even the reunion,

Wendy (07:05.319)
Right, absolutely, absolutely.

Right.

Wendy (07:21.447)
Yeah. Yeah, it was. So they do actually play the clip back that when Tamar showed her and the exact words were Tamar said,

Kelli (07:21.506)
This was Emily's Big Beef.

Wendy (07:36.047)
She was, Tamar said she was heavy and she looks totally different and Heather said good for her.

Wendy (07:45.605)
So the word fat, like that's a Gina word, like that didn't come from anybody. I mean, she was heavy, but she wasn't. If you look at the picture, she was not heavy. So inside the ladies are Tamar, Gina, Gretchen, and Katie. And Tamar says, you know, why do I feel like they're just out there talking shit about me? And Katie asked Tamar, like, what happened with Jen? She said it went south quick.

Kelli (07:54.442)
No, but I mean even just Tam are saying she's she was heavy

Kelli (08:02.519)
was not heavy.

Wendy (08:16.337)
And then Gretchen jumps in, she's like, didn't you call her a single white female? Tamara said, yeah, because she asked me, because you were obsessed with her and now looking back at it, if you're reaching out to people that don't like me to build relationships with. Gretchen's like, well, who? Tamara said, you. I was like, God, this isn't going well. Gretchen said, you literally went out and said Ryan was raided by the FBI. And Tamara's like, but I apologize for that. She's like, and.

I learned my lesson. She's like, no, you didn't because then you did it again. So Ryan, you did it again.

So, Tarris said, you've repeatedly gone after me for the last 12 years. Gretchen said, you're delusional and I'm gonna excuse myself. And she went outside. I think, mean, Gretchen was not going after her for the last 12 years. mean, where was she going after her? I hadn't heard anything from Gretchen.

Kelli (09:03.458)
She wasn't.

I have followed Gretchen on my personal account for years. I've never seen her post about Tamara. The only thing she did was comment on that Facebook post.

Wendy (09:12.829)
Right.

Wendy (09:19.505)
Right. Let's just... Everybody, everyone's asking her to apologize for it.

Kelli (09:21.132)
and who asks her to apologize for it.

Kelli (09:26.478)
Get the F outta here. No way. She owes her no, she owes Tamra no apology. Tamra has dragged Slade's name through the mud. That's what's been going on the past 12 years.

Wendy (09:39.497)
Yeah, Emily, actually Emily says, did you apologize for the Facebook comment? Gretchen's like, no. Yeah, and then Shannon said, that's one thing out of 10,000. yeah, and Emily said, just apologize for it. And Gretchen said, I won't stoop to her level. She goes, I wanna stoop to her level. Meaning that, you know what? No, I'm not, right, I'm gonna stoop to her level, screw it. So then Gina gives each of the ladies a box and tells them to go outside.

Kelli (09:42.636)
Yeah, it was Emily.

Right, shaman stuck up for her.

Kelli (09:59.053)
Why should I have to be the bigger person?

Hmm?

Wendy (10:09.353)
and she goes up to the balcony and she lets them know that, you know, she's planning this trip to New Orleans and she's throwing, you know, beads at them and they open up their boxes and there's masks in there and Tamara goes inside immediately because as soon as she realizes, you know, that's the last place she was with Teddy and

Kelli (10:30.254)
Listen, I'm not defending Tamron anyway, but I do feel like that would be a trigger. Like I wonder why Gina chose New Orleans.

Wendy (10:38.057)
I mean, it was, I'm sure it was decided well before Teddy had the tumor. Right? Like this was, yeah, this is episode five. Right? This is episode five. I'm sure she had no idea and we just found it out then. Like, I'm sure, would she know that that's where, you know what I'm saying? And it was a production thing. Production is the one who decided they were going to New Orleans.

Kelli (10:42.382)
okay, you're right, you're right, you're right. Because it was only three weeks. Yeah, you're right, yeah. Because I was thinking like, that would be a trigger.

Kelli (10:54.936)
Right.

Kelli (10:59.318)
Yeah. For sure. For sure.

Wendy (11:06.535)
So then we see Sophia and Tamar talking about her Spotify stats. Good for her, she reached a thousand listeners. Tamar asked her if she'd ever do a song with her and she's like, no. And she's like, well, why not? She goes, you can't sing.

Kelli (11:22.744)
That was good.

Wendy (11:24.745)
Then we see Katie's with her kids and Emily's making ground beef in the kitchen with Shane and her sons. She's talking about how she doesn't want to go to New Orleans because she doesn't want to leave Luke because of what's going on with him. And you know, she has said since this came out that that's, you know, this is one of his triggers is her working when she's not around. So I don't know. mean,

Kelli (11:51.182)
Right.

Wendy (11:53.691)
I follow her on Instagram and right now she, it says she's on a Royal Caribbean cruise with just the boys. Shane's not in, right, Shane's not in the picture and neither's Annabelle. So I find it interesting. mean, good for her. I mean, it seems to me like it's a paid post though because I'm seeing a lot of Royal Caribbean. Again, good for her. It's good for her. But maybe that's what she needs to focus on. You know, if he needs her there.

Kelli (11:59.565)
Right, I think it's just them, right? Yeah.

Kelli (12:05.57)
Not about you.

Kelli (12:14.476)
Yeah. Whatever.

Wendy (12:23.879)
You know? I don't know though.

Kelli (12:24.462)
I agree. I mean, we've both been in positions where our kids, you know, mental health had to come before anything else. And, you know.

Wendy (12:30.993)
Yeah, yeah.

So then we see Jen and Ryan, they're at the gym and Jen is like, this wedding gym routine is killing her. She's stressing about being wedding ready. I'm like, you are wedding, I mean, what else is there to do?

Kelli (12:41.415)
my God.

Kelli (12:45.634)
There's not an ounce of body fat on that girl's body. There's not an ounce.

Wendy (12:48.249)
No, there really isn't. No. No, there really isn't. Then she wants to talk to Ryan about stepping in with the kids. And Ryan's like, listen, I'm supporting these kids. You were supposed to receive a lump sum settlement, and I've been paying everything, including the attorney. Matt's not.

Kelli (13:12.408)
That's wild. He's paying for the attorney for her to fight her ex. I mean, my God.

Wendy (13:17.277)
Yep. I don't blame him. I don't blame him for...

Kelli (13:22.634)
I don't blame him either.

Wendy (13:25.145)
know, Jen says she's not afraid of marrying Ryan. Like she knows that, you know, he's going to be there for her because obviously he's there for her now and her kids.

Kelli (13:32.236)
Right. Right.

Wendy (13:35.879)
And then we're gonna see it once they get, he comes back up again. Shannon's at her house and Gina comes over and she asks, you know, how she's doing. She's like, she's good with being single, which I think is good. You know, I think we discuss this. We think Shannon's good being single. She doesn't need to get involved with anybody just now.

Kelli (13:51.062)
No, no, stay single for a while. You and Archie.

Wendy (13:55.751)
And then Gina brings up, know, can you believe Tam are showing the former fat photos of Jen? I'm like, again, now it's really Gina that's perpetuating word fat.

Kelli (14:05.954)
And I think I saw a clip where she actually said it on Watch What Happens Live. Yeah.

Wendy (14:09.173)
She did. She did. She's like, I just kind of like it. She's like, know, her and Travis are busy. We find out that they haven't seen Travis's son in three weeks. The mom stopped sending him to school because Travis and Gina moved back in together. So that's insane. That's insane. These custodies.

Kelli (14:32.941)
Yeah.

You know, I think there's always two sides to every story and then the truth is some there somewhere in the middle. But it's just a shame that you see Gina's posts with Mark's fiance or wife, her exes, I don't know if he's remarried or not, but they're either engaged or married. And Gina and Matt, okay, sorry. And they get along so well and they co-parent so well and then.

Wendy (14:54.181)
Matt, not Mark, Matt. Yeah.

Kelli (15:03.992)
than they have this issue. It's just, it's very sad because really as frustrating as it is for Gina and Travis and the ex and whoever she's with, it's the kids who suffer. So you're only hurting your kids and they're never gonna forget this. They're never gonna forget this, especially since it's on TV. This woman probably hates the fact that this is on TV and playing out, but you know, again.

Wendy (15:21.458)
Yeah, it's true.

Yeah.

Kelli (15:31.864)
Two sides to every story and the truth is somewhere in the middle. Gina could say whatever she wants, but we're only hearing her side.

Wendy (15:39.357)
That's true. That's true.

Then we see the ladies are packing to go to New Orleans and Gina's like, it's not easy getting all these bitches on a nonstop first class to New Orleans from Orange County. So they had to split it in two flights, because I'm sure there's not enough first class seats in one plane.

Kelli (16:00.24)
because it's a short, it's a short flight.

Wendy (16:03.081)
don't think Orange County to New Orleans is a short flight. Is it? No, no, no, I don't think it's, yeah, I mean, but the fact is she's like, it's hard enough to even get Dubrow to fly commercial, let alone, you know, not in first class.

Kelli (16:07.449)
I'm thinking Vegas. I'm thinking Vegas. I'm sorry. You're right.

Kelli (16:17.4)
Well, where's her private jet? Why didn't she rent one and fly everybody out?

Wendy (16:21.073)
Right? So the first group is Gina, Emily, Katie, and Gretchen. They're the ones that flight. Yes. And they are staying at the Four Seasons and Emily and Gina are sharing a room. So they get there first and the four ladies go out on the riverboat and trying to figure out the name of the Mississippi River. I cannot believe that they did not know that they were on the Mississippi River. Seriously.

Kelli (16:26.933)
all appropriately dressed to fly.

Kelli (16:47.67)
It's a little surprising that Emily didn't know.

Wendy (16:50.981)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (16:52.778)
Although I was watching Tess's flight back from LA last night and where, Eric said something about Memphis and Joe goes, where's that? I go to Texas. Eric's like, the two of you are really bad at geography. Joe, you didn't even know and you said the wrong state, Kelly. I was like, yeah, Elvis. Like, what am I thinking? Memphis, Tennessee.

Wendy (16:57.649)
huh.

Wendy (17:04.941)
no. You did not.

you

Wendy (17:13.496)
Hahaha!

That's so funny.

Kelli (17:20.994)
So I wouldn't have known we were on the Mississippi River either, quite honestly.

Wendy (17:25.755)
Yeah, I think I probably would have. mean, Emily tells them that Shannon keeps saying to Jen, you better not roll on me. Now, this I think is interesting.

Kelli (17:43.116)
I wish Jen didn't say that on camera.

Wendy (17:50.427)
No, Shannon keeps saying it to Jen.

Kelli (17:53.305)
But we didn't know about it and who repeated it? Emily repeated it because she went riding with Jen because Jen said it to her on camera. Shannon never said it on camera.

Wendy (17:57.948)
Yes.

Wendy (18:02.545)
Right. No, not that we know of. Not that we know of. Right.

Kelli (18:06.422)
Right, so now not only has Katie, you know, turned on Shannon, now Jen, you know, let that out. Like, don't do that. Not on camera. If it's not on camera, you could, you know, deny it.

Wendy (18:13.085)
Yeah.

Wendy (18:18.404)
Right. Right.

Right, exactly. Gretchen is saying that Tamara needs to take accountability and that she wants to move on. And everyone agrees, everyone except for, you know, Emily and Heather and Tamara, she doesn't take accountability. That's the problem with Tamara. She doesn't own anything. She just makes, actually, Emily even said it in her confessional, is that she, you know, she rationalizes, she gives you reasons why she did the wrong thing. Like that's not taking accountability.

Kelli (18:51.606)
No, absolutely not.

Wendy (18:54.205)
So then group two is Jen, Tamar, Shannon, and Heather. Once they land, Katie goes to Jen's room and Gina goes to Tamar's room and Tamar's worried that things are gonna go bad.

I think, you know, it all depends, yeah. And you're the one who controls it, Tamra. Like you have control of how things are gonna go, right? So they're all gonna go to dinner together. They're going to dinner in this old mansion that's haunted. Thank God they were in a private room. That's the first thing I had to say when I saw that they had their own room there. I was like, thank God they are in a private room. They have turtle soup on the menu. Gina is gonna try it.

Kelli (19:11.758)
They're gonna.

Kelli (19:27.917)
God.

Wendy (19:38.735)
some of the women looked horrified that she would even, you know, go near turtle soup. Yeah. Emily tells Gretchen that she looks like the detective emoji. I mean, I don't know why she needed to say that, but I will say I did think the outfit was a little odd that Fedora for an inside dinner in New Orleans. Like, I don't know what that look was. Like, I...

Kelli (19:42.434)
Eaten little turtle.

Kelli (20:04.184)
Well, my question is, why is Gretchen always wearing a jacket off her shoulder?

Wendy (20:10.086)
Okay, that's a good question.

Kelli (20:11.912)
she, every scene in this episode, she was wearing like, like, like, yeah. Right, right. Different jacket every scene, but same style nonetheless.

Wendy (20:17.221)
over her shoulders, like just on her shoulders, not her arms in the sleeves, right? No arms in the sleeves.

Wendy (20:26.641)
It's interesting because when I was watching it taking notes, Bill happened to come in when Gretchen was, I don't know if she was getting, wherever, he saw the big hat bag that she had. And he's like, why does somebody need a big hat bag like that? And you could see there was all these hats in that bag. I guess she brought a hat for every day. I don't know, but it wasn't much.

Kelli (20:47.448)
Imagine how heavy her luggage was between the hats and the jackets. Yeah.

Wendy (20:50.939)
Well, the hats were separate. yeah. So Heather asked Gretchen if she has to travel away from Skylar often. And she said, no. Heather says that's one of the things that she regrets is that she didn't leave her children and travel without them. I think that that's odd. I think that's an odd thing to say. I think, well.

Kelli (21:11.118)
What does she mean? Like for work? You weren't working. You're not a good actress Heather, nobody wants you.

Wendy (21:17.789)
I think what she was saying is it's good for your kids to not have you around, for them to rely on somebody other than you.

I-I-No? I don't know why she said that. I thought it was a weird thing to say. Right. Right!

Kelli (21:26.676)
No, no. If you have to travel for work, sure. But just to go off, to just go off and leave your kids with someone else?

Wendy (21:38.993)
Yeah. I thought it was odd. Then she asks Jen, like, who's with all your kiddos? And Jen's like, well, they're home with Ryan. She's like, actually, it's Will's weekend, she's like, Heather, do Will and Ryan interact? And she's like, no, they don't interact, but they did today. And I guess Will was dropping off some kids and Ryan walked up to him and said, you know, how can you do this? You're like, pay your child support. Will said, I'm doing the best I can. can.

Kelli (21:39.746)
That's an odd thing to say.

Wendy (22:06.631)
I can pay the kids car insurance and I'm on the loan for Harrison's school. Okay. Really? I mean the car insurance? And you know, Emily as the attorney, this is what I don't understand. Like why doesn't she like give her some advice or try and help her, you know? Because she says it, you know, if he's got to pay child support, he's got to pay child support. Like if there's a court order,

Kelli (22:14.254)
Yeah.

Kelli (22:25.292)
Right. Yeah.

Kelli (22:33.388)
Yeah, mean, mean, don't you get arrested if you don't pay child support? You do in New Jersey. Doesn't a warrant get issued for your arrest?

Wendy (22:39.655)
Yeah, so maybe she... I guess only if she reports it, right?

Kelli (22:45.774)
So, probably.

Wendy (22:48.017)
and she probably doesn't want to report it because what is that going to do?

Kelli (22:51.18)
Right, then he really can't work.

Wendy (22:54.289)
Right. I don't know. I don't know. So Jen in her confessional said, Will is very controlling and now he's going to punish me because of this. You know, I can't. Yeah.

Kelli (23:05.784)
That's what it sounds like personally. Like, well, you're in that man's big house with that man's big bank account. You guys can figure it out. That's what it sounds like to me. But I don't know the guy. And again, two sides to every story and the truth somewhere in the middle.

Wendy (23:18.216)
Yeah.

Katie says that she feels for Ryan, know, because kind of she went through, she said her and Matt, know, she said Matt confronted her ex-husband once, you know, they were going through a custody issue and my ex-husband said a lot of expletives to him and hung up on him. I was like, And she knows, like Katie of all of them, you know, she knows, I mean, actually they all have issues with their exes with custody. So Katie's had issues, Tamar's had issues.

I mean, Gina doesn't have issues with Matt now, but right, right, right. So it seems like it's a common thing, right?

Kelli (23:54.444)
Not anymore, but in the beginning, yeah.

Kelli (24:01.546)
Yeah, so somebody commented on one of our posts about like Tamra not, I think not giving like Jen any grace like with her ex-husband. And I said, I said, no, Tamra is the only one who can have like, know, an ex-husband who's an issue. Nobody else can. Like obviously this guy's an issue if he's not paying her. He's obviously, you know, still bent over the fact that she left him for another guy or whatever the hell. But again, if.

Wendy (24:17.627)
Right. Right.

Right.

Kelli (24:29.338)
if you were paying attention to her and giving her what she was expressing to him that she needed, because I think she has said this in the past, right? And he didn't. I mean, it's not rocket science. Your partner shares something with you. You do the best you can to make it happen.

Wendy (24:37.085)
Yes, yes. Right.

Wendy (24:48.807)
Yeah.

Kelli (24:50.476)
unless it crosses a line.

Wendy (24:53.085)
Well, yeah. So then Gina's like, you know, it's so difficult to be the person who has to sit back and does nothing. And then we find out that Travis's ex-wife was contacting her child. That's weird.

Kelli (25:05.154)
Yeah, that was, yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (25:09.551)
And your ex-husband, like that's weird.

Kelli (25:12.482)
I didn't hear that part. She was trying to contact the ex-husband too.

Wendy (25:13.703)
Yeah, contacting my child and her ex-husband. Yeah, Gina said, I haven't seen my steps. And that's when she tells them all, you know, and they're like, that's outrageous. Emily said, you know, he should be in front of the judge immediately. Okay, Emily, Gina's your BFF. Why aren't you there helping her, you know?

Kelli (25:30.702)
Right, right.

Wendy (25:34.441)
And Gina's like, yeah, I know. And then all of sudden the espresso martini spills down. I don't know how that happened. it the ghost? Was it Pierre?

Kelli (25:43.778)
I think it was Pierre and I thought it was amazing of all the people that could have the espresso martini spilled on them. Heather was prime for it.

Wendy (25:47.037)
Yeah.

Wendy (25:52.275)
Heather. Yep. So then the dinner comes out and Gina says that her turtle soup is delicious. She said it kind of tastes like clams, which I can kind of see, right? Shannon says she has a missed call from Adam from Love Hotel. Jen asked Shannon, like, what does her ideal man look like if you could create them on a vision board? And Shannon said, number one is a kind heart. And then

Kelli (26:03.31)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (26:22.659)
Heather jumped in and said, would you date a short guy? First of all, what, where did that come from?

Kelli (26:26.594)
Yeah, what was...

I don't know, but Emily's response, she was like, whoa.

Wendy (26:33.053)
She's like, come on. She's like, I feel like this was personal. then we find out that Terry wears lifts. I didn't know Terry wore lifts.

Kelli (26:37.506)
That was so funny.

Wendy (26:45.202)
Right?

Kelli (26:46.424)
How funny was that?

Wendy (26:48.015)
I know. It's one thing when she said it to Emily, she's like, yeah, Terry wears lifts. But then when she goes on in her confessional to say the whole thing about, yeah, lifts are from China and sadly these shoes are not only gonna be high, but they're also gonna be high priced because of the taxes, because the lifts are coming from China and taxes. I was like, my. I guess, yeah.

Kelli (27:08.206)
They're always talking about what things cost Heather and Terry did not get the memo that wealth whispers the DeBros need to get the memo wealth whispers the more you talk about money the more I'm starting to believe You know, by the way, I looked up net worths LeBron 1 billion dollars Drake 250 million which quite honestly sounds low to me DeBros 50 mil

Wendy (27:22.451)
Yep.

Wendy (27:33.259)
I looked him up too.

Kelli (27:41.28)
Nothing to sneeze at, but they're way out of your class, pal. You had no business buying that house in between those properties.

Wendy (27:41.285)
Yeah, I know. No, no, no, nothing's gonna go.

Wendy (27:50.377)
There you go. There you go. Heather says to Shannon, you have a bevy of men around you. Shannon said, well, they enjoy spending time with me, but they don't want to be intimate with me. I thought she chose that she didn't want to be intimate with them.

Kelli (27:52.654)
and PS Wealth Whispers.

Mm-hmm.

Kelli (28:08.0)
I did too, I was kind of surprised that she said that. Maybe it's a mutual thing.

Wendy (28:10.587)
Yeah. Then I was surprised with the next question that came from Heather. Well, what is your favorite position from Heather? Like, why is Heather asking? What is your favorite? Seriously, I almost fell over.

Kelli (28:23.786)
I know, I know, it was startling that she asked that question.

Wendy (28:26.619)
Yeah. And Emily said from behind so she can watch TV.

Kelli (28:32.854)
I mean, she's the second housewife, Melissa Gorga has said that in the past, or it came up about them that she'll, or she'll be scrolling on Instagram or something. Could you imagine?

Wendy (28:36.741)
And.

Wendy (28:43.205)
No, I really cannot, I cannot. And then in her confessionals, she said she watches a lot of different TV, like she likes my 600 pound life and she can have some snacks at the same time. What? my God, Emily, Emily.

Kelli (28:45.416)
Me neither!

Kelli (28:59.786)
It does strike me that, and I think we could probably say this for both Emily and Shane and the Gorgas, it does seem like they are intimate with each other a lot. A lot. So maybe when it's that frequent, it's like, yeah, like, all right, all right, whatever. You know, where as opposed to when it's not as frequently, you just, you you try to, you know, make it special. I don't know.

Wendy (29:01.821)
Ahem.

Wendy (29:10.653)
Yeah, I think so. No, I think so.

Wendy (29:15.859)
You like to mix it up.

Yeah. Okay.

Wendy (29:29.377)
Yeah. So then Shannon says, okay, now you answer the question to bro. And Heather said, this is not going to come as a surprise to anybody. And Gina yells, she's on top because she always has to be in control. And Heather's like, exactly. No surprise. Tamara said she wants to see videos. I was like, and then we find out that Heather's never made a sex video ever. I've never made a sex video ever either. I mean, is that something? Is this something people are doing? I mean, I don't know.

Kelli (29:42.435)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (29:53.25)
Maybe that shouldn't be surprising.

Kelli (29:59.253)
I mean, I guess some people are doing it. These people are not doing it.

Wendy (30:01.769)
I mean grown grown women like grown women are making sex videos. I mean these are grown women

Kelli (30:07.668)
I mean, listen, if your husband asks you and that's something he wants to do, this is something you need to consider. know, same thing goes both ways if this is what he's into.

Wendy (30:13.032)
Okay.

Wendy (30:18.013)
That's true. Well, I did tell you that, I think I, did I tell you this? Maybe not. So I was listening to, speaking of sex, I was listening to Kathy Hilton on Call Her Daddy. And it came out that Kathy Hilton has, I don't know if it's a sex video or sexy pictures, whatever it is, she has them for Rick, right? But they're in the vault in the bank.

Kelli (30:27.086)
Mm.

Wendy (30:42.451)
They're not in the house, they're in the bank, in the safe deposit box.

Kelli (30:47.138)
Maybe he has to bring her there and give her like a lump sum in order to be able to see them. Now, I believe this about Kathy Hill and because they have been married a very long time. have never, knock on wood, we have never heard anything about him straying or her straying. I really do believe that they have a very happy marriage. So I believe that 100%. I'm sure there's a video and pictures.

Wendy (31:02.77)
Right, right.

Wendy (31:07.881)
No, well, I'm telling you, yeah. When she said that on Call Her Daddy, I was like, what? Kathy Hilton. Yes, she is. I know. I totally agree. I totally agree. So then, well, let's see. Shannon said,

Kelli (31:14.062)
Yeah, I believe it. She's doing something to keep him happy, because we don't hear a peep about him.

Mm-hmm.

Wendy (31:33.341)
record what she did. Okay, Heather said, Tamara, it's your turn. Tamara said on the side. okay. She says on the side and then she's like, I'm going to show you and she goes over and lays on the floor in the restaurant with Emily. Again, thank God they were in a private room. Thank God. Meanwhile, the poor waiter Joe is just standing there looking at them and they're like, sorry, I don't, I don't know.

Kelli (31:47.574)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (32:02.22)
Yeah, Joe got more than he bargained for them. I hope they tipped him well.

Wendy (32:04.713)
I do too. And then Jen says, know, mine doesn't work. And Gina said, your vagina's broken? She said, yeah. Tamar yells, the holes closed up. Tamar being obnoxious. Jen said, well, I had a surgery and you know, right now, only the tip can go in. So we find out she had pelvic floor surgery. I don't, well, she's got.

Kelli (32:29.752)
She's kinda young for that, isn't she? But she had all those kids. She had all those kids. Man, Ryan's a fucking saint. People better stop calling for Ryan. He's paying all her bills, he's raising her kids, and he's not even banging her right now. Dear Lord. Ryan might be the number one guy in the group now. I don't know. Well, I was gonna say, I don't think there's any number one guy in the group in this group, but I really do like Shane.

Wendy (32:32.872)
Yes, that's what it is. That's what it is. And she's so tiny. And she's so... I know. And he's...

Wendy (32:45.329)
Only can get the tip in. That's it. Right. Yeah.

I know.

Wendy (32:59.985)
No, I like Shane too. I do like Shane a lot. I like Shane.

Kelli (33:01.386)
Yeah, but Ryan's coming in a close second now.

Wendy (33:05.105)
Well, Gina said, Ryan's a fucking saint. That's exactly what, those were her exact words. Yeah. And then Gina ends the dinner with, she's happy that they're all there. And then we see 24 hours later, which we're going to see next week, we see that they're fighting and Tamara says to Gretchen, it's none of your business. Gina says to Tamara, you're being rude and you're sloshed.

Kelli (33:07.084)
Yeah, for sure. For sure.

Kelli (33:27.374)
Good for Gina.

Wendy (33:29.533)
Tamar gets up and says, I'm out. says, Tamar just texted me, she quit. So I do too. No, I do too. It was short-lived. And then we have Watch What Happens Live. Gina was on with Julia Garner from Ozark. She was Ruth.

Kelli (33:36.128)
I remember her posting that too, but unfortunately it was short-lived and she came back.

Kelli (33:49.719)
Ozark.

Wendy (33:52.093)
The number one question for Gina was how come you and Emily talking about Gretchen's looks is okay when you two take offense to it when it happens to you? Isn't that a double standard? Gina said, well, there's two parts to this. First of all, I think I take it pretty well. Like I make fun of myself as well, which I do agree. Gina does make fun of herself.

Kelli (34:11.85)
Listen, she went season after season when she first came on this show and people were horrible to her about what she was wearing, her hair, her makeup. Gina can take it.

Wendy (34:15.176)
Hmm

Wendy (34:19.433)
Yeah, no, she can. She said, and listen, I said she looks good. And Andy's like, yeah, I think she looks like she's, what did Andy say? She said, I said she looks good. She said, no, well preserved. She looks like she did 20 years ago. It was a compliment. I agree it was a compliment. I mean, I agree. wasn't that, you know, she does look good. No one is saying that she doesn't look good.

Kelli (34:32.546)
dipped in formaldehyde.

Wendy (34:46.131)
So if you were asked, Gina, why are you upset with Katie telling a blogger information about Emily's nanny, but you're not upset with Emily bringing up the custody situation that she researched that was never even on the show? Gina said, I did tell Emily at the table that she should apologize for digging into her past. Gina said, I think you'd be surprised to know that Emily did not do the research. She was told about it just before the reunion. And then, and is like, well, who did the research? And she's like, it was Debrow.

Kelli (35:15.956)
Mm-hmm. I said it last week Heather sat there and acted like she I do nothing. I know nothing. She knew it all

Wendy (35:16.093)
And I love her.

Wendy (35:22.055)
Right. She's like, and I love her, but she's the one who told Emily about it. And then on social media, the day after Heather's response on Instagram is, let's set the record straight. First of all, I do not research anyone. That is not my MO. I do not have time or interest to try to dig something up on other people.

For the reunion last year, there was a lot of stories in the media circling about Katie and some of us were sending them to each other because it was overwhelming and crazy. I did in fact send the article about Katie's custody to Emily. I did nothing more than that and I would never have brought this up at the reunion. I actually went up to Katie during the commercial break and said to her, this must have been a very difficult time for you. I'm sorry. I'm sorry you had to go through that. I never would have brought this up.

Kids and careers are off limits. Not really sure why Gina chose to include me in her response on the show or make it sound salacious, but it was not. Okay. Okay, Mr. Roe. Okay.

Kelli (36:27.192)
I'm gonna make a prediction right now. If there's any evidence that Heather DeBrow is lying, Heather's leaving the show next season.

Wendy (36:35.025)
Okay, but what evidence would there be?

Kelli (36:36.032)
I'm telling you right now, if somebody says I can prove that Heather researched this and provided it to the rest of the cast and I can show you, Heather will be graciously bowing out of next season. She will not allow herself to look anything less than perfect. And she is so far from perfect. Your big scene on what was the Al Bundy show, Married with Children?

Wendy (36:55.934)
Yeah.

Wendy (37:02.813)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah, so I thought that was very interesting. As soon as she said it, I was like, boy, this is not going to go well. Didn't expect her to clap back so quickly, but that's what she does, right?

Kelli (37:12.993)
Right.

Kelli (37:17.494)
I'm so happy Gina did that though and that next week she's going to be calling Tamra out for her poor behavior. Somebody has to do it. Nobody else is doing it.

Wendy (37:25.873)
Yeah, yeah. So then Andy asks if things have improved at all with Travis. Travis is ex and she's like, no, unfortunately, we just had a family vacation and not all of our children could come because they weren't allowed to come. That's heartbreaking. That's heartbreaking. Gina said, it's very hard to navigate. I'm doing my best to stay in the light and do what's best for my kids. Because you know, I can imagine their kids are close. They're close in age and they're close.

Kelli (37:39.603)
that's such a shame.

Kelli (37:50.464)
Yeah, they're like real brothers and sisters.

Wendy (37:52.731)
Right, so you go on a family vacation and they're not all there.

Kelli (37:56.139)
Right, that's terrible.

Wendy (37:58.193)
And I wonder like, is it just the one that she's holding back or is it all of his kids? Like, I don't know either. And he has three, right? Yeah, no, it's three and three.

Kelli (38:02.191)
because Gina's got three and he's got three, right? Wow.

Wendy (38:11.293)
I mean, they go to the same school. They're very close.

Kelli (38:13.772)
Yeah, yeah. That's such a shame. Again, you're only hurting the kids.

Wendy (38:17.577)
I also read that that house, yeah, that house that she's living in right now is $8,000 a month to rent.

Kelli (38:26.072)
I thought they bought it, no?

Wendy (38:27.515)
I thought so too, but then I read that it's a rental.

Kelli (38:30.658)
Geez Louise, California's expensive.

Wendy (38:33.073)
It's like one, I think it was like $1.2 million, $8,000 a month. But listen, I mean, they're probably splitting it, right? That's 4,000 each. She's working, she's on the show. She's been on the show for how many seasons now? I don't even know how many she's been on, but she's been on for quite a while. Emily, yeah, they have been. They really have. So she's gotta be making decent bank. And I mean, they started their own, they started their own real estate team, so.

Kelli (38:43.672)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (38:49.794)
They've been on a long time hurt and Emily.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, they've been on a long time

Wendy (39:02.203)
Real estate's going well for them, so good for them!

Kelli (39:02.38)
Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. I'm happy for them.

Wendy (39:07.346)
Yeah.

So that's all I have for OC. I'm looking forward to see what happens next.

Kelli (39:16.876)
I'm looking forward to next week when Gina calls Tamra out. I'm looking forward to seeing what the lead up is because if it's because she drank too much Tamra, it's just interesting because she had that season where she drank too much and was it last season when she kept coming after Shannon? She had that one season where she said she drank too much and so I think it was her first season back, yeah.

Wendy (39:20.284)
Yeah, me too.

Wendy (39:40.071)
It was her first season back. It was her first season back. So I don't know what's going on, but you know, Katie is not talking to Jen or Gretchen. So I guess Jen and Gretchen put out some social media post that was taken down. Yes, with some kind of like.

Kelli (40:00.368)
yeah!

Kelli (40:04.918)
It was a bag, it was a boxing bag hanging down and Gretchen made like a karate like hi-yah, like a, you know.

Wendy (40:13.883)
Yeah, and I don't know exactly what it said, but there was some kind of like karate music in the background too. And Katie felt that it was, you know, like, I guess xenophobic, against her being Asian, anti-Asian, right? I don't know, because I thought that Katie and Jen were close.

Kelli (40:32.578)
Right, right.

Kelli (40:40.28)
Well the thing is is that without without Jen and Gretchen really who does Katie have? In her corner? Nobody.

Wendy (40:46.833)
Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I don't know. And I don't know why they put that post out. Like, because it was after they were done filming that that post came out.

Kelli (40:57.216)
It was just recent. Yeah, I don't know. And I don't know what the context of the post was either. Clearly, I don't have an opinion either way. I'm not in a position to have any opinion about it. But I don't know what the context was. But whatever it was, it hurt Katie, which is a shame, because they were kind of all she had as allies.

Wendy (41:09.979)
Right.

Wendy (41:14.001)
I don't either, maybe we'll...

Yeah, yeah. So we'll have to wait and see. mean, we're only on season five, so whatever that was, I'm sure it will be brought up at the reunion, right?

Kelli (41:30.122)
Yes. Yeah, because they haven't filmed that yet. I wonder who's going to get first seat in that one.

Wendy (41:31.997)
No.

Guess, well, you know it's gonna be Tamra. You know it's gonna be Tamra. You know it's gonna be Tamra.

Kelli (41:39.918)
I really wish it weren't though.

Wendy (41:45.629)
We'll have to wait and see how this trip goes though. mean, you know, she leaves, she comes back. I thought, and you know, I thought that there was a drink throwing situation with Slade. I thought that's why she left, but it doesn't seem like that because Slade's not on this trip and that's when she quits.

Kelli (41:58.153)
yeah!

Kelli (42:05.346)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That probably happens later in the season,

Wendy (42:10.149)
Anything's possible with Tamra. Anything's possible.

Kelli (42:13.272)
Yeah.

Wendy (42:15.067)
Alright, so until next time, thank you for watching and listening. Please subscribe, give us five star reviews. Bye!

Kelli (42:22.958)
Bye.