RHOC-Dog Parade, Voodoo Dolls, and Drunken Drama

Wendy (00:00.923)
Hi, welcome to We Why Whenever, I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:03.904)
I'm Kelly.

Wendy (00:05.403)
We are talking about Real Housewives of Orange County, Season 18, Episode Number 6, What Voodoo You Do. That's all right.

Kelli (00:15.606)
Yeah, not into the voodoo.

Wendy (00:17.181)
Did you see the trailer for Real Housewives of Salt Lake City?

Kelli (00:22.176)
I did not. I saw that it was coming back. I did not watch the trailer yet.

Wendy (00:24.783)
Okay. Trailer looks good. September 16th is coming back and they're going to be on below deck.

Kelli (00:34.318)
Wendy (00:35.409)
with Captain Jason.

Kelli (00:38.275)
all right, good. I'm glad. I'm glad it's not the other guy.

Wendy (00:39.011)
Yes. Yeah. So I'm excited for Salt Lake to come back. I'm excited.

Kelli (00:46.998)
And everybody came back, right? is Brittany there? Brittany must be there.

Wendy (00:50.545)
Yeah, Brittany's there. I think everyone's back. It looks like everyone came back. Yeah.

Kelli (00:54.006)
I'm sure she's just still just a friend of, right? She's still just a friend of?

Wendy (00:58.201)
It's hard to tell from the trailer, probably. I mean, I don't know. You can't tell from the trailer, but she was there.

Kelli (01:05.365)
I mean, the real question is, is Jared back?

Wendy (01:09.233)
That is the real question. That is the real question. Yes, we'll have to wait and see. September 16th, yep. So back at the OC, the next day we see the ladies, they jump on a trolley and they're going to the French market and then a dog parade. The ladies split up and the first group is Gina, Heather, Gretchen and Jen are all together on one trolley.

Kelli (01:12.002)
We shall see.

Stay tuned. Yeah.

Wendy (01:36.687)
Emily's trolley is Shannon and Tamara and Katie was supposed to be with them, but Shannon refused to be with them if Katie was gonna be there. now Katie is in a separate car headed to meet the other ladies at the French market. What?

Kelli (01:58.318)
So I had to look this up because people kept commenting on our posts. Shannon recorded Kelly Dodd. I'm like, what is this all about? So I had to look it up because I don't remember it. But in season 11, Heather and Shannon recorded Kelly Dodd having a meltdown in Ireland. And Shannon's defense was that in Ireland,

Wendy (02:06.289)
was confused about this whole thing.

Kelli (02:27.744)
They were told, if anything happens, pull out your iPhone so we can capture it all. We were doing our job, is what Shannon said.

Wendy (02:37.648)
Right.

Kelli (02:39.17)
Well, maybe Katie thought she was doing her job, Shannon. Maybe Katie was told the same thing. I just think it's very, I don't agree with what Katie did. I personally would never record somebody. It's not my gig. But it's a little hypocritical that Shannon is coming down so hard on Katie when she is guilty of the same thing.

Wendy (02:53.852)
Right.

Wendy (03:08.081)
Yeah, she actually did bring that up on Watch What Happens, or Andy kind of brought it up on Watch What Happens Live. And she said it comes up, it does come up in the season. And that's exactly what she said, that the producers told her if something happens when cameras are down, then record it on your iPhone, which is totally different though, because cameras were up. Like when Katie did it, cameras were up.

Kelli (03:30.008)
Cameras were up to take pictures. They weren't filming. They were doing the photos.

Wendy (03:33.379)
No, they were filming. No, but they were filming the behind the scenes, the photos. They were there filming.

Kelli (03:41.624)
How come we didn't see anything? If they were there filming, wouldn't we have seen it? If Katie has a recording of Shannon having a meltdown and cameras were there filming, why haven't we seen the meltdown? I don't think cameras were up. I think they were taking pictures for the promos or something.

Wendy (03:59.963)
Well, I think cameras were filming because cameras were filming when they did the pictures for the promo for New York because that's how the New York season started with the pictures, the filming from the promo pictures. I mean, it didn't come up about this recording because it happened after the last reunion, right? The promo pictures or no?

Kelli (04:15.148)
Yeah, but-

Kelli (04:29.292)
I would imagine, because otherwise we would have heard about it at last year's reunion. I mean, unless it, yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I personally don't think cameras were filming it, because I think if cameras were filming it, we would have seen it by now.

Wendy (04:33.117)
at the reunion, right? So it happened after the reunion.

Wendy (04:48.647)
I feel like we may still see it because if it was a cast thing where they are all doing their photos like we saw on New York, the cameras are there for that because there's gonna be some drama.

Kelli (04:51.852)
We good?

Kelli (05:04.427)
Well, I personally think that the cameras were there with New York because of what happened at the last night of their trip with Brent. I think cameras were purposely put.

Wendy (05:19.505)
Yeah, I don't I guess we'll have to kind of wait and see

Kelli (05:19.946)
at that because when they walked in, they're like, have you talked to Brynn? No, have you talked to Brynn? Like something had happened to possibly prompt them to be like, all right, let's roll. know, cause that was, that was their formula at the time. Bravo. Like get the cameras back up.

Wendy (05:37.551)
Yeah, I feel like that there's

Kelli (05:39.033)
But I don't know, we'll see, we'll see if we see it. But the bottom line is, if producers are telling you to record, it's very interesting that Shannon said that producers told them to record. Because that, mean, what if they told Brittany on Salt Lake City, some, know, pull out your phone if something happens. But they were recording, she was recording while the cameras were going.

Wendy (05:42.982)
Yeah, I think.

Wendy (06:03.887)
Yeah, the cameras were definitely there. The cameras were definitely there.

Kelli (06:06.496)
Yeah, the cameras were definitely there. But listen, it all comes down to producers and what they're telling people to do.

Wendy (06:12.327)
Well, that's, mean, that's right. That's what it always comes down to, right? That's what it always comes down to.

So Gretchen is talking about how she's open to the opportunity of moving forward with Tamar as long as she takes accountability. Tamar says the last time she was at Cafe Dumont was four weeks ago with Teddy and their friend Bronwyn and that when she came home they found out. It's not the Bronwyn, I don't think it's the Bronwyn that we know from OC. No, I don't think it's the...

Kelli (06:41.666)
Yeah, how about that?

Kelli (06:46.528)
not from Salt Lake City, but I thought it was from.

Wendy (06:50.267)
I don't think it's the OC Bronwyn because they're not friends with her. They weren't friends with her.

Kelli (06:54.446)
Kinda looked like her in the picture though, did you see the picture?

Wendy (06:57.125)
I saw the picture. didn't think it looked like her. She was a brunette.

Kelli (06:59.66)
Okay.

Kelli (07:04.702)
why I thought it looked like her. I was like, that's interesting.

Wendy (07:06.331)
I don't think it was her. I don't think it was her, because I don't think they are friends with her.

Kelli (07:11.616)
I didn't think so either, that's why I thought it was very interesting.

Wendy (07:12.975)
Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, it's interesting that the name Bronwyn, like we've never heard of it before until the first OC Bronwyn came out. And then all of a sudden we have a Salt Lake Bronwyn and now we hear it again, another Bronwyn. Right. Right. It's like,

Kelli (07:23.374)
And there's a third, right. Yeah.

Wendy (07:32.185)
Let's see, Shannon asked Tamra and Emily what she's gonna do with the Katie situation. And Katie shows up and meets the other ladies at the French market and tells them what Shannon said that she couldn't, she wouldn't go with them. Emily tells Shannon that she was out with Jen the other day and that Jen keeps saying that Shannon is saying to her, don't roll on me with Tamra. Which we already found that out.

Shannon's like, I don't even know what that means. Well, you know what that means, Shannon, come on. I mean, you know what? probably doesn't, because Shannon doesn't get clues like that.

Kelli (08:11.308)
Now, I don't know if I necessarily believe Shannon when she says she doesn't know what that means though and that she never said it. I tend to believe Jen in this situation.

Wendy (08:18.733)
Right, I know, I don't know.

I do too. Tamara says you never said that and Shannon's like,

in her confessional, she's like, what happened with her and her relationship with Tamra last year? Like, she'll never forget it. Like, even though at the reunion, like, they agreed to move forward last year at the end of the season, she's never gonna forget what Tamra did to her and how she, you know, and I don't blame her. I don't blame her, because Tamra was horrible to her.

Kelli (08:43.81)
Never.

Kelli (08:48.767)
my god, vicious.

Wendy (08:51.505)
So then Tamara says to Shannon, I can totally understand why you feel that way. That's why I don't really drink that much anymore. And then in her confessional, Tamara says that alcohol is not good for her. Okay, Tamara. all right, until a couple hours later. Yep.

Kelli (09:02.69)
and you'll never see me wasted again.

Kelli (09:07.928)
Yeah.

Wendy (09:11.933)
Do you think that you can let that go to Shannon? And she's like, well, we have a 10 year friendship. It's not like I can just hop back on, she's willing to give it a shot, right? Jen is telling Katie and Gretchen that I really wanna see the fatty photo. It's really bothering me. And I don't blame her. I would wanna see it too. I'd wanna know what this picture is that everyone's talking about.

I, the parade, the dog parade.

Kelli (09:41.245)
my god.

Kelli (09:44.662)
No, when Heather tells Jen that Tammerding called her a single white female and then they flash back to Tammer calling her a single white female.

Wendy (09:55.461)
Yeah, yeah, I know, I know. Before that happens, they are all at the dog parade together and they're helping promote the animal rescue. I like it, like that was like a fun scene. At least they're having fun together. They were not fighting. Like I wanna see more of that kind of stuff. I don't wanna see this stupid fighting bullshit. I really don't, I don't.

Kelli (10:10.862)
Absolutely.

Kelli (10:17.634)
I totally agree with you. I totally agree with you.

Wendy (10:20.893)
The next stop is they're gonna go see the voodoo queen whose name is Bloody Mary and they're gonna be making these voodoo dolls and Shannon, Gretchen and Tama are like, we're not making these voodoo dolls and Bloody Mary's like, well, there's no such thing as an observer. Like if you're here observing, then you're a participant. They're like, all right, then we're gonna leave. And I don't blame them, I would have left too.

Kelli (10:45.976)
I would've... I totally would've left. I totally would've left.

Wendy (10:49.093)
Yeah, I wouldn't want to, I kind of like, first of all, don't believe in voodoo and I don't want to play with that black magic stuff. I would have left too. Especially, I mean, since she said you can't just observe. Okay.

Kelli (10:54.2)
Mm-mm.

Mm-mm. Mm-hmm.

Kelli (11:01.474)
Right, right. All right, good, then I'm out.

Wendy (11:05.949)
And then they, so those three leave, which, you know, is a very interesting trio that happens to be together, right?

Kelli (11:10.574)
It was Shannon, Tamara and Gretchen, right? Yeah.

Wendy (11:15.111)
Gretchen, yes, yes. Then Tamara's like, well, should we dress up? She starts talking, should we dress up for the boat tour tomorrow? Then Shannon asks Gretchen, what happened when Katie went over to your side? Gretchen said, I like Katie and she hasn't done anything to me. And Katie hasn't done anything to Gretchen and Gretchen is coming in this group and she wants to give everyone their shot, right? And it seems like...

Katie had reached out to Gretchen, I guess when she first started and she was having problems with the ladies. And then we find out that Gretchen's coming back, so she already has a relationship with her. She's gonna let it play out.

Kelli (11:47.512)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (11:54.198)
Absolutely.

Wendy (11:55.377)
Then Shannon says, well, how can you be friends with someone who committed an illegal act? And Gretchen's like, well, in all fairness, like, you had a DUI. That's an illegal act, which I was like, good for you, Gretchen.

Kelli (12:05.566)
Absolutely. Absolutely.

Wendy (12:08.807)
Then Tamar says to Shannon, I think you could just give her one last shot. And Shannon says to the woman who just tried to get a story reported about you and Gretchen. And she's like, wait, who's that?

Tamar said, Kiki Monique. Tamar was like, warned about the story before they started filming.

Tamara said, Katie told me that Gretchen told her that Tamara roofied her. So this is where I get all confused because I don't understand how Tamara got this information and why Gretchen would have said this about Tamara, what is it, 15 years ago when they were hanging out together? she would not, right, right.

Kelli (12:58.006)
when the naked wasted thing came out. So Tamra says that Katie had lunch with Kiki Monique and said that Katie said that Gretchen told her that Tamra roofied her. Right. So obviously now we know we're talking about the naked wasted night. For one, why does Shannon automatically believe Tamra? She's like, my God, that's

Wendy (13:13.5)
Right.

Wendy (13:20.006)
Right.

Kelli (13:28.814)
Okay, the woman has said horrific things about you all last season, she just tried to bury you. So why are you automatically believing her? Did Tamra ever say how she, she said two people told her. Tamra is famous for saying, I heard it from two people. And she'll maybe name one and then be like, no, I can't tell you the other one. It's because the other one doesn't exist. And did Kiki say that this happened? Because I'll be honest,

Wendy (13:33.191)
Right.

Wendy (13:50.363)
Right. Right.

Kelli (13:58.499)
with you, I looked it up. I could not find it anywhere. Kiki has made comments about Katie, but nothing about this subject. Did you ever find, did you find anything?

Wendy (14:11.355)
I didn't find anything. didn't find.

Kelli (14:13.162)
I could find nothing. So I'm gonna say this. I don't believe it. And if this, if somebody comes up with hard proof that this is a lie and Tamra made it up, Tamra needs to be fired just like Phaedra was fired for saying it happened with Candy and Portia. This is a fireable offense. You are accusing someone of.

Wendy (14:15.813)
And like you said, yeah.

Kelli (14:39.054)
criminal activity or stating that somebody was accusing you of criminal activity. She needs to be fired for this if it comes out that it is a lie, which I would imagine it is because she's you can't find anything about it. Kiki's not saying anything and Tamra's a liar.

Wendy (14:56.667)
Yeah, and the thing is, first of all, let's just say that, because we do know that Katie met with Kiki Monique, right? They had lunch together. Why would Katie bring this story to Kiki Monique? It doesn't even make any sense. Because you could see the look on Gretchen's face. There's no way that Gretchen said that about something that happened 17 years ago. There's no way that she said that. So where is Katie going to get this from?

Kelli (15:03.564)
Right, right.

Wendy (15:26.491)
Like, where is it gonna come from? It just doesn't make sense.

Kelli (15:29.865)
None of it makes sense.

Tamara's a big fat liar.

Wendy (15:35.269)
Right. mean, Gretchen even says in her confessional, listen, I'm considering the source on this.

Kelli (15:40.696)
Thank God.

Wendy (15:41.969)
Then Shannon asks Tamara, how long have you been holding on to this? And she says, about four weeks. So you just said that four weeks ago, you were in New Orleans with Teddy. So you got this information before you started filming at the Super Bowl time when you were in New Orleans with Teddy. I mean, it just doesn't make sense.

Kelli (16:01.998)
How about Tamra trying to defend herself with the naked wasted? She says, 17 years ago, my friends and I, you know, she starts talking like real serious. My friends and I saw Gretchen out partying, but on camera, she was prim and proper. We weren't trying to get her naked. Well, you said the words naked wasted. So, yes, you were.

Wendy (16:11.485)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (16:16.07)
Right.

Wendy (16:22.097)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (16:28.486)
Yeah, I know.

Kelli (16:29.964)
I mean, to even try to defend yourself. It's all on camera, Tamara. We saw you say it. And then we saw you send your son into a bathroom with her to try to make out with her.

Wendy (16:45.607)
Yeah.

Kelli (16:48.088)
That was so bad.

Wendy (16:48.125)
It was bad and it's just not a good look for Tamara. she doesn't see, she thinks, I feel like she thinks that she's been doing this so long that she's a producer and that she can just put this shit out there and it's gonna go the way she wants it to go and she's going to steer the ship and the story the way she wants it to go. And I'm sorry, but it just doesn't happen that way. Like it just doesn't.

Kelli (16:59.084)
Absolutely.

Kelli (17:13.42)
Nope. Right.

Wendy (17:15.645)
So Tamra says to Gretchen, listen, I'd like to sit down and talk with you. I'm in a different place now. I was with Simon then and you have a kid now.

Kelli (17:24.288)
yeah. She blames Simon for how she treated Gretchen.

Wendy (17:29.465)
Right. Right.

Kelli (17:32.746)
And Gretchen says, Tamra's good at making you think she wants to change, but the behavior never changes. And God, I know somebody like that. And it's like, you see right through them. You see right through them.

Wendy (17:46.055)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (17:49.767)
So Gretchen actually starts crying at this point and she's like, you know, I can't get back in this again. Like I can't be playing these games. Like this is so, honestly, it's so sophomoric. It just really is. Like these are grown women. And like she said, you know, first of all, your friend is dying, right? You just found out your friend's dying, right? Gretchen has a small child, a little girl. You are in a different place, but yet you're going back to this sophomoric behavior.

Kelli (18:02.06)
Yes. Yes.

Wendy (18:19.345)
What are you doing? What are you doing? So then it's horrible. They get back to the hotel, Tamara goes to Shannon's room and Shannon's hair is a mess and she's trying to get ready and Tamara says she's not sure how to bring this up and she has a glass in her hand and she puts it down and Shannon's like, what is that? She's like, it's just water. You could tell it wasn't water. It was obviously not water. It looked to me like a huge.

Kelli (18:21.014)
What are you doing?

Kelli (18:25.218)
horrible.

Kelli (18:45.966)
She's really up Shannon's ass right now.

Wendy (18:48.283)
Yep, it looked like a huge glass of tequila.

Kelli (18:51.02)
or vodka.

Wendy (18:52.643)
Yeah, but it kind of had like a yellowish tint to it. No, it wasn't clear. It definitely wasn't clear. And Tamra's like, it feels good to have Shannon back on her side. Yeah, is that what you think? So then Jen goes to Gretchen's room and Gretchen is telling Jen about what Katie said. Tamra's telling Heather, Emily and Gina about what Katie told her that Gretchen said that she roofied her.

Kelli (18:57.429)
I thought it was clear.

Wendy (19:21.583)
And just to look at the look on their faces are like.

Katie shows up at Gretchen's room and Gretchen tells her what Tamar said about Kiki Monique and spreading rumors about her. And then they're sitting back, like they're processing that back at the room and the other ladies are already at the restaurant. So Katie, Jen and Gretchen, they all show up together at the restaurant. All the other ladies are there already and they're all seated when they get there. And then as soon as Tamar gets there, she pulls Gretchen aside to see if she,

you know, if she wants to bring it up and Gretchen asked Katie and she believes Katie that she didn't say it. So she's like, you know, I'm not, I don't want, you know, I don't want to do this. So Katie goes out and tells Tamar and Gretchen that she didn't say that. And Gretchen said, Tamar, still want to move forward with you. And if you want it, we can have a talk. And then Tamar storms back in and she's like, my God. Yep. my God. Gretchen believes Katie. Tamar said she,

Kelli (20:16.674)
Yep, and here we go on the downward spiral.

Kelli (20:23.98)
And Shannon's like at the table, what?

Wendy (20:27.513)
Yeah, yeah, Shannon was like.

Kelli (20:28.768)
And Tamra's blindsided by Gretchen, but why are you blindsided by Gretchen? You're not her friend. You've been dragging her fiance through the mud when his son passed away. So I heard that Heather did a interview with Reality, I guess the pH six guys, and said that Tamra should be given some grease. Why? Why should anybody give Tamra grease?

Wendy (20:35.281)
Right.

Wendy (20:47.481)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Kelli (20:57.442)
She gives nobody grace. She's disgusting.

Wendy (21:00.987)
And that's what everyone is saying, that we should be giving, not everybody, there's a lot of people saying that she, yes, because of Teddy.

Kelli (21:04.974)
Why though? Because of Teddy?

Kelli (21:10.894)
But here's the thing would she's well, we'll get to it. Okay, we'll get through it

Wendy (21:15.259)
Like, mean, Gretchen said it, like, where was the grace when Slade's son was dying and when my fiance was dying? Like, you never gave me any grace and all of a sudden now, your best friend is diagnosed with stage four cancer and everyone needs to give you grace when all you're doing is spewing out lies and making trouble that doesn't exist? And you should get grace for that?

Kelli (21:21.195)
Exactly.

No.

Kelli (21:36.46)
Right, absolutely not.

Kelli (21:42.23)
No, absolutely not.

Wendy (21:44.145)
Then Katie walks back in the room and Shannon starts clapping and yelling at her, like, wants to be around somebody who's lied about everyone at this table? And Katie's like, I didn't say it. Shannon said, well, I'm angry. Stop lying. Okay, well, that's your problem, Shannon.

Heather and Gina at the time were like, they understand that Gretchen doesn't want to just believe it, especially since it came from Tamara.

Kelli (22:07.768)
She wants proof and there's nothing wrong with that.

Wendy (22:10.405)
Right. No, no, there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. Shannon is saying that there's multiple reputable reporters. How do you know this, Shannon? Where did you get this information from? Pamara? Right.

Kelli (22:23.495)
Yeah, Shannon, you just found this out. So, right, exactly, exactly.

Wendy (22:29.327)
So then Jen says, all right, well then let's all have it out. Like I wanna see the picture, where's the picture? And Tamra's like, I don't care about that. Then she's like, you reached out to me in 2013. Jen said, are you, as a fan, she said Jen's like, yep. Jen said, are you on something like Xanax or something?

Kelli (22:45.838)
As a fan. As a fan.

Kelli (22:52.706)
Her eyes were pretty close shut at the time, Tammer.

Wendy (22:54.127)
I mean, she definitely, it was obvious. It was obvious to us. Yeah.

Kelli (22:57.346)
She was fucked up.

Wendy (23:00.943)
Emily said, well, the issue of you saying she's obsessed with you. Tamar said, I feel like it's been a tit for tat the last couple of years. Gretchen said, where did it start? And she said, it's none of your effing business. So Gretchen's trying to find out. Yes, because Gretchen's like, you know, when did it start? And then Tamar said, F off. Gina said, you know what, Tamar, you're being rude. You're sloshed. And that's what's happening here. And she did sit there for a little while longer. Gina said, it's not fun to be in the middle of all your bullshit.

Kelli (23:14.638)
She says that to Gretchen.

Wendy (23:30.853)
And Heather's like, for any of us. Like I was surprised Heather even said anything. Jen said, I say table it. Tonight is not the night. Jen said, you don't seem like you're in the right mind.

Kelli (23:32.994)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Kelli (23:41.645)
I mean, she really took the high road there in my opinion, because she really could have made an impact there. But you're fighting with a drunk person or whatever she was. Well, I think she did say she took a Xanax and drank. Yeah.

Wendy (23:44.858)
She totally did.

Wendy (23:51.954)
Yeah.

Right. Right. She admitted, she admitted that she took a Xanax and she drank. And then, and then

Kelli (24:04.18)
One or the other people, one or the other.

Wendy (24:06.663)
Yeah. Then Shannon in her confessional said, I just heard from Tamar five hours ago that I'm never gonna see her wasted again. And I know she walked into my room with something and she said it was water, but I know it wasn't. But this is the same person who you're believing and flipping out.

Kelli (24:21.218)
Right, same person you're believing, same person who called you a drunk and an alcoholic all season last season. And then Heather says something to Tamara, I guess to try to defuse the situation. She's like, do you want? And Tamara's like, I don't want anything from you.

Wendy (24:26.147)
Right. Right.

Wendy (24:38.065)
Yeah, because she gets up and walks out and a producer says to Tamar, are you okay? She's like, I just want to go home. And then Heather goes after her and says, what's going on? And Tamar's like, well, I just sat down with Gretchen. I'm done with her. She's not acting like herself.

Wendy (24:57.277)
I don't know what that means. I Tamra's the one who wasn't acting like herself.

Kelli (25:01.994)
Exactly. So Heather's trying to explain to Tamara, like she just needs a minute to process it. And Tamara just keeps saying, fuck off, fuck off, fuck off. This is when you know Tamara's lying. Because if Tamara weren't lying, well, she is drunk, but if Tamara's not lying, she'll sit there calmly with a very smug look on her face, knowing she's right and that she can prove it. When she knows she's lying and she can't prove it, she acts like an animal.

Wendy (25:08.444)
Right.

Yep.

Kelli (25:31.508)
And this is clear proof. But she is under the influence of alcohol and a Xanax.

Wendy (25:31.633)
Yeah.

Wendy (25:40.369)
Gina in her confessional says, you know, I've had it with Tamar. She claims she's working on herself and then she pulls this. And that's exactly the point. Like that is the point. I mean, she just had to sit down with Shannon saying that you'll never see me wasted again. And like she said, five hours later, whatever it was, she shows up like wasted, acting like a lunatic.

Kelli (26:01.218)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (26:04.189)
Then Tamra, yes, really we are, we really are. Then Tamra calls Eddie when she gets the car, because she's sitting out in like another room in the restaurant and she's like, are you guys gonna get me a car? Or do I have to call an Uber to the producers? And I guess they finally got her a car. And then she calls Eddie and she's like, can you get me a flight home? Like, I'm done with this. So.

Kelli (26:04.696)
We're too old for this, ladies. We're too old for this.

Wendy (26:32.669)
I know. But he still

Kelli (26:35.534)
Little did he know she was going to change her mind the next

Wendy (26:38.641)
He stands by her. He is so loyal to her.

Kelli (26:42.018)
He's very loyal to her, but I do think if it came down to it, he would prefer her to not be on the show. I'm sure the paycheck's nice, I mean, we saw him at that dinner last year where she was going at Ryan, and she was drunk, and he just looked mortified. I'm sure he'd much prefer her to be off the show. But I do give him credit for being loyal, because he is loyal.

Wendy (26:56.263)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (27:01.254)
Yeah.

Wendy (27:07.773)
he's certainly loyal. He really is. He really is. I mean, I don't know. Do you think she comes back the next day?

Kelli (27:10.413)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (27:18.958)
I don't know. She says there's no place for her in the group. Then Gina says that Tamra text her fuck off and She I did not realize that she posted that on Instagram right then and there

Wendy (27:26.341)
Right. And they read on, she posted something on Instagram.

Wendy (27:34.501)
Yeah, no, I did. I, yeah, I remember when it happened. Like it was, no, it was that, no, it was right then and there.

Kelli (27:38.113)
I thought it was the next day.

I'm impressed that she was lucid enough to get that post out.

Wendy (27:47.897)
Well, I mean, how lucid do have to be? I mean, it-

Kelli (27:51.267)
I mean, was just, you know, it didn't look like garble, which if you're really under the influence that bad, it might look like garble. But I really think that Tamra's lying about this completely because there's absolutely no, there's nothing out there saying it's true. There's nothing out there saying it's false. And I could not find Kiki Monique saying anything about it, nothing.

Wendy (28:00.124)
Yeah.

Wendy (28:18.621)
I didn't find anything about it either. And I will say that I think it was Shannon that was also on with the Page Six guys. And they were asking about the lie detector that we see.

Kelli (28:33.005)
I forgot about that. So maybe that's what this is about.

Wendy (28:36.133)
Well, when they ask her about the lie detector, basically Shannon says it was inconclusive. Like, we don't find out anything with the lie detector.

Kelli (28:48.61)
Well where the fuck is Kiki Moni? Come on Kiki.

Wendy (28:51.889)
Well, Kiki has talked about it a little bit on her podcast with, she just said that she's coming up on this, cause she's on with Dorinda, like I had said, and she says, you know, I...

Kelli (28:54.722)
What does she say?

Kelli (29:03.501)
Yeah.

Wendy (29:08.475)
So her take on the whole Katie thing, not about this specific issue she didn't talk about. she has not addressed this. Not that I've seen. She has not addressed this specific issue.

Kelli (29:12.462)
That's what I'm saying. She has still yet to address this, correct?

Okay, I know she has some kind of beef with Katie right now, but listen, so does everybody else, so. What'd she say about Katie?

Wendy (29:25.039)
Right, no, that is true. She said that when Katie became a new housewife, she went to Instagram and she went to follow her like she does whenever a new housewife, you know, she follows them on Instagram whenever there's a new housewife announced because that's what she talks about. Like that's what she, you know, that's what she does. So when she went to follow Katie, it said follow back.

Kelli (29:46.04)
Right.

Wendy (29:52.603)
which meant Katie was already following Kiki. So Kiki's stance is like, didn't come after you. Like you were already following me. And she said,

Kelli (30:04.878)
Well, did Katie ever say that she?

Wendy (30:07.791)
Well, Katie said that the bloggers reached out to her and that they called her because then, but then, right, but then when she wound up playing it back.

Kelli (30:16.206)
She did say that, yeah. I didn't realize she was talking about Kiki though because I thought she was talking about the one that she was like, they called me, I didn't call them. And then she just said, I did call them. I didn't realize that Kiki was included.

Wendy (30:28.093)
I think that that's who she's referring to, I think. I'm not 100 % sure because it's not very clear. And then Kiki goes on to say, while she's there with Dorinda, she's like, know, why would I have to reach out to her? She's like, I'm already friends with the most fabulous housewife ever or something, like building up Dorinda, you know, the most iconic housewife, whatever she called her. I mean, it's her co-host, so of course she's gonna say great things about her.

Kelli (30:49.069)
Okay.

Wendy (30:58.363)
So she didn't, know, she's just saying that she's not the one who reached out to Katie, that Katie's the one who reached out to her.

Kelli (31:03.928)
Well, Kiki, it's time for you to enter the chat to let us know if Katie told you that Gretchen told her that Tamra roofied her. Because you're the only one who could squash this. True or false, Kiki, true or false?

Wendy (31:19.995)
Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I don't know. You know, this is one of the things that Katie says. You know, we shouldn't have been, they keep saying we shouldn't be talking to these bloggers and they're considering podcasters bloggers. She's like, but half the cast are bloggers then. And she's right. Tamra has a podcast. Heather has a podcast. Emily has a podcast. Gina had a podcast at one time. Who else is on the cast? Shannon's never had a podcast. Pretty much more than half the cast.

Kelli (31:35.662)
100%.

Kelli (31:47.83)
No, I- she's absolutely right. She's absolutely right.

Wendy (31:50.191)
Right. Right. So, I don't know.

Kelli (31:53.292)
especially Tamra, because Tamra's on a podcast that talks about other shows.

Wendy (31:58.395)
Mm-hmm. Yep.

Yeah, I know.

Kelli (32:02.018)
So you know she's communicating with other podcasters, other people doing the same thing. She just is.

Wendy (32:09.349)
Absolutely. She absolutely is. It's just frustrating to see this whole thing play out this way because this is not why we watch these shows. This is not what it's all about for us. Like we watch these shows because we like to see the connections. We like to see them with their family. We like to see them have fun and go to great places. I don't like to see them fight over stupid shit.

Kelli (32:30.38)
No, I hate that it's about this now, but it's every damn franchise. It is every damn franchise.

Wendy (32:38.659)
I know, and it's a lot. really is a lot. It shouldn't be that way. Like that's not, I don't know. That's like we've always said, that's not what it started as. That's not.

Kelli (32:46.57)
Now,

Scrolling because I would never follow her if you paid me Kim D came up on something tick-tock Instagram and she was talking to somebody now I don't think Kim D knows shit about anything. I think she just says things that we already know But I did not hear this so I will give her credit when credits do she did say that Jen Fessler was just invited to Bravo Con So so far that means Dolores Teresa Melissa and now Jen Fessler

Wendy (33:02.311)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (33:20.0)
I'm sorry, Dolores Teresa Melissa Margaret.

and now Jen Fessler have been invited to BravoCon.

Wendy (33:28.838)
Okay.

Well, I said this probably like two months ago. I think that that's where they're gonna announce New Jersey is in BravoCon. I think that's where they're gonna announce the cast is at BravoCon.

Kelli (33:42.242)
Well, I'll be very upset if Danielle and Jen are not invited back. I'm sorry, Danielle and Rachel are not invited back because I think they were good. I think they were good.

Wendy (33:47.718)
Rachel.

Wendy (33:55.376)
I do too.

I do too.

Wendy (34:02.575)
I do too. I mean, I guess we just have to wait and see. I don't know if you saw, but Ms. Dubrow has started a new podcast with her husband, Terry. Another podcast. I mean, she already had a podcast.

Kelli (34:14.766)
There's not anything in the world I would rather listen to least than something that Heather and Terry DeBrow are on together or separately. I would listen to Terry. I shouldn't say that.

Wendy (34:26.183)
So the.

The first one came out on June 12th and it's called Between Us. Heather and Terry are uncensored and pulling back the curtain on everything from Heather putting Terry on blast on the Real Housewives of Orange County to the major life changes that they haven't told anyone yet. Nothing is off limits.

Kelli (34:32.918)
Let me guess, what are they talking about themselves?

Kelli (34:52.558)
Wendy (34:55.077)
It's real, it's raw, and it's just between us. That's the name of their podcast. I'm like, God. Like, does she really need to have a podcast, another podcast? Because she already had one. Although I did start watching the Terry show where he has on Kim Zolciak and her daughter. So it's not botched, it's called something else. I forget what it's called. And...

Kelli (35:07.192)
Mm-hmm. No, she doesn't.

Kelli (35:18.353)
yeah.

Wendy (35:26.275)
It is they go to this villa with these other people that have had plastic surgery done and that they wanna, it's called rewind, I think, it's called botched rewind, that they want to go back to where they were, but Kim doesn't realize that. She goes there thinking that she wants to have, she lost a lot of weight and she wants to have her arm fat taken in and she's got some, and.

Kelli (35:37.259)
Okay.

Wendy (35:52.542)
They're like, no, that's not what this is about. This is about going back to where you were before. And it's, don't know, I didn't finish it. just started it just because I was curious to see like, what's this about? And you know, who's on it? One of the other people's this girl from 90 Day Fiancé. And then there's this guy who is from Ireland, who is naturally a ginger, but he's dyed his hair black, jet black.

And he's had a BBL done, he's had his face done, he's had his lips done. I mean, he kind of has like this Elvis look to him, which really he should not have. Kim and Brielle are telling him not to get rid of the BBL, that it looks great. And he wants to, like, this is just like, yeah. Yeah, and he's there, there, he's like, I don't know how I'm gonna do my hair, I've never done my hair before.

Kelli (36:20.131)
Whoa.

Kelli (36:31.725)
Right.

Kelli (36:43.98)
Wow.

Wendy (36:50.721)
Brielle's like, what, you've never done your hair? He goes, no, I get my hair done every day. I don't know how to blow it out like this. I don't know how to do my hair. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I think you'll be OK. I don't think you need to watch it. I will continue to watch and I'll let you know what happens.

Kelli (36:57.706)
are these people?

Kelli (37:03.97)
I don't think I can watch it. I don't think I could sit through it.

Kelli (37:12.65)
they'd bring back. Remember the swan?

Wendy (37:16.032)
yes.

Kelli (37:17.614)
I loved that show.

Wendy (37:19.983)
I think that that was so politically incorrect though, right?

Kelli (37:24.48)
It was. I just thought people were so happy at the end. Like everything they were ever insecure about was gone.

Wendy (37:35.131)
Right.

Kelli (37:37.304)
but I guess, but they did like kind of work on their inside too, right? Didn't they have like somebody working with them like therapy and stuff too?

Wendy (37:45.053)
I think they did. But I mean, if you think about it, like, think about that premise, you know,

Kelli (37:53.74)
I know. Maybe I shouldn't have said I loved it.

I just loved, I loved seeing them so happy at the end.

Wendy (38:03.037)
It's like extreme makeover. you know what I mean? Like the home, you know, where they redo homes and like, you see like the old shack and then all of a sudden it turns into this like fabulous cottage, even if it's not any bigger, it's just like new and shiny. And like, but to do that with a person. Like that's what it was all about, right?

Kelli (38:15.714)
Yeah.

Yeah.

it was.

Wendy (38:23.417)
So I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens with the OC. I don't know if there's any other gossip out about it that I can think of, can you?

Kelli (38:34.624)
No. Just that I just saw Heather on reality saying that we need to give Tamara some grace and I'm sorry. I struggle with that because I understand that she was upset about her friend. But hurting other people.

Wendy (38:36.304)
All right.

Wendy (38:53.511)
I just think that would be all the more reason, like realizing how short life is to try and be a better person. Don't try and rip other people apart. Like, don't spread lies. Like, it doesn't make sense, right?

Kelli (39:10.816)
It doesn't make sense. And I really think she's lying about the Gretchen thing. I really do.

Wendy (39:17.541)
about her telling Katie that she, yeah. I mean, Gretchen said she.

Kelli (39:19.308)
about the roofie. Like you said, if it was 15 years ago, why are we just hearing about this now? Why would Gretchen hold on to that for this long?

Wendy (39:30.991)
Right. And the thing is Gretchen immediately, you could see her reaction. She's like, no, like I never said that. And if Gretchen didn't say it, why would Katie make it up? just doesn't, like she's gonna go watch a show 17 years old and like, it just doesn't make sense.

Kelli (39:43.436)
I don't think Katie would make that up.

Kelli (39:54.069)
No, listen, the thing with recording Shannon, again, I don't agree with that. I don't think recording someone's ever okay. Like, I know that with the younger generations, this is what they do, and I hate it. I hate it. But that was wrong, Katie, and you know, she's paying for it now. But other than that, like, I just, I don't know. Like, what else has she done? Katie.

Wendy (40:22.831)
I don't know. I don't know. mean.

Kelli (40:25.176)
Like I feel like it's a little bit of a witch hunt. She has proven to be untrustworthy and somewhat dishonest. I agree with that. But not one of these housewives is, you know, Mother Mary.

Wendy (40:40.999)
I agree. I don't know, and I guess we're going to have to wait and see what happens. I don't know what happened between Jen and Katie and Gretchen because they are not friends. mean, it was before that video came out. was before the video. I mean, that just made it even worse, the video that came out, but it was before the video that they were not speaking, that they weren't in a good place. So something must happen that we're going to...

Kelli (40:51.33)
Well, it was before the video? okay. Sure, sure.

Kelli (41:05.174)
Well, maybe the roofy thing is true. Could you imagine? Maybe Gretchen found out that the roofy thing is true that Katie did say that.

Wendy (41:17.478)
I mean, anything's possible. I would too. I guess we're just gonna have to wait and see.

Kelli (41:19.648)
I'd be very surprised, but... Yeah, I don't know. I mean, hopefully we'll at least find out at the reunion why Jen, Katie, and Gretchen aren't on good terms.

Wendy (41:31.773)
Yeah.

I would hope so too.

Alright, so until next time, thank you for watching and listening. Please give us five star reviews and subscribe. Bye.

Kelli (41:45.219)
Bye.