RHOBH Who Controls the Narrative in Tuscany?

Kelli (00:01.932)
Hi, welcome to Be One Whenever, I'm Kelly.

We Wine Whenever (00:04.571)
And I'm Lorie.

Kelli (00:06.638)
We're here without Wendy. She is still in California with her friend and like I mentioned the other night with cousin Gina I'm gonna let Wendy talk to you about what she was there doing and what the product is and all that stuff So tonight we're gonna talk about Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Season 15 now. I don't have the episode number because I watched it on peacock and they Jack me up with those episode numbers because of the watch what happens lives that are

We Wine Whenever (00:34.662)
They mess it all up.

Kelli (00:36.226)
they mess it all up. But the title's Under the Tuscan Sun.

We Wine Whenever (00:41.67)
Yes.

Kelli (00:43.246)
So.

Kelli (00:46.67)
Sutton, the first thing I have is Sutton and Amanda were talking in their room and Sutton basically tells Amanda that they were chat GPTing her on the car ride home yesterday.

We Wine Whenever (01:00.944)
Right. Yes. And, and I was thinking to myself, why, why is Sutton crying? Like she was actually crying, but then I kind of...

Kelli (01:05.644)
Kelli (01:14.382)
Well, because she confesses that she didn't like it. She did say something, but she didn't say enough.

We Wine Whenever (01:17.327)
Right.

Right, but there's no reason to cry. But I think I figured it out later on. So.

Kelli (01:26.305)
Okay.

Kelli (01:30.09)
Amanda says they're trying to build a scam artist case and she has happy customers. I mean, listen, at this point, I do kind of agree that they're coming after Amanda a little bit too much. I mean, you made your point, you don't understand what she does. Okay.

We Wine Whenever (01:44.092)
most definitely. Most eff-

We Wine Whenever (01:51.879)
But it's not that hard to figure out what she does. Like Tony Robbins does what she does. Like it's not some huge mystery of what she does. Maybe you don't dig it. And I think, because I've thought about this, think especially Bo's, I think that her deal is, is that especially as a black woman, she has had to work.

Kelli (01:58.334)
Exactly. Right.

Kelli (02:07.747)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (02:22.214)
really hard, really hard for every position that she's ever had. And I'm sure she's had to endure a lot during it and to get to it. So maybe I'm not saying she's jealous of Amanda, but maybe a little bit of her deal is she's coming from the perspective of, you you have no business experience. You just sat there and wrote up some

Kelli (02:24.194)
Yes. Yes.

Kelli (02:35.331)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (02:52.782)
stuff and slapped it on the internet and tell people to be happy and you know what mean? And Boz is like, meanwhile, she's had to like swim through sharks and deal with other men in high positions of power similar to hers.

Kelli (02:55.682)
Yes. I think you're absolutely right.

Kelli (03:10.848)
Right, not only is she a female in a male-dominated industry, she's a black female. Yep, yeah, no, I think you're right.

We Wine Whenever (03:15.544)
She's a black woman. Absolutely. it's, it's got to irk her to some extent. And I think

Kelli (03:23.5)
And at some point she says, give, Bose is gonna, if you tell her what you wanna do, she's gonna give you steps to try to achieve that. You tell Amanda what you wanna do, and Amanda's gonna just tell you to believe that you're worthy of that, believe that you deserve that. you know, obviously, Bose telling you what steps to take to achieve something is probably gonna be more beneficial, but.

There is a large group of people out there that believe in manifestation. So, like don't shit on it. You don't have to shit on it just because it's not your gig.

We Wine Whenever (03:59.164)
Yeah, I don't think it's right. don't think it's a bunch of right. Right. I don't think it's a bunch of hocus pocus either because there is something to it. I just I don't know whether it's being produced in such a manner that she's not coming across describing her business correctly. I don't know if she's coming across with too much business and not enough personal. I mean, even though but she did tell about it.

Kelli (04:07.104)
Right. Sure.

Kelli (04:26.978)
I think that's what it is.

We Wine Whenever (04:28.314)
She did tell about her kid. She did tell about, there was something else that she, she did talk about the cult. She talked about her kid. So it's not like she's not telling personal things, but I think it's maybe like the balance is too much business. and it's pushing it over the edge.

Kelli (04:36.354)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (04:45.356)
Yeah, and I think like even Sutton said it again this episode, like I'm trying to connect with her, like I'm trying to, but all she wants to talk about is her business. Listen, she's pushing her business, but the problem is that now it's backfiring on her because not only do they not believe in it, they're calling bullshit on it, which is not putting a very positive light on it, so.

We Wine Whenever (04:58.608)
Yeah, I think that's it.

We Wine Whenever (05:07.174)
And you know what I'd like to see sometime in one of these shows? Like, so we just gave you the setup, Amanda and Sutton, they're having the conversation. Sutton tells Amanda, blah, blah, blah. Now, like I said, why was Sutton crying? There was no reason for her to be crying, talking to Amanda about what she was talking about. It would have been nice if Amanda would have said, hey, I'm really glad that you stuck up for me yesterday. What's going on with you? Like,

Kelli (05:35.915)
Exactly.

We Wine Whenever (05:36.912)
What is triggering you so bad about the situation that it's bringing you to the point of tears? But she doesn't, I don't see her interacting in that way with anybody. And I think that's part of the problem.

Kelli (05:49.304)
There's no reciprocation. Right. And you do see it with Rachel. Like you do see Rachel doing that. She obviously

We Wine Whenever (05:57.424)
No, I'm talking about I don't see a man doing that with anybody. Yeah.

Kelli (06:01.804)
Right, that's what I'm saying, but it's also Rachel's first season on the show and she is doing that. She's especially doing it with Doreen, she's doing it with Boz, she's doing it with Kyle. But I do think that there, and I'm not defending Amanda because I'm not a huge fan, but I do think that there's something to her being very defensive at this point with everybody. Even though Sutton is trying to reach out to her, Sutton has come for her a little bit.

We Wine Whenever (06:30.35)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Kelli (06:30.616)
prior to this trip, so I think her guard is still up and I kind of don't blame her. It's kind of enough now. It's enough now.

We Wine Whenever (06:38.32)
Yes, it is. It's definitely enough. And then we see Kyle, Erica and Kathy at breakfast discussing Natalie and Dorit and how Natalie, Dorit's always late and always on her phone. And then, know, production cuts over and we see Dorit on her phone. And that was cracking up because Kathy Hilton says, they're talking about Dorit always being late. Kathy Hilton blurts in and says, and men don't like it.

Kelli (06:56.718)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (07:08.092)
She said, Conrad Hilton left Ja Ja Gabor because she just took too long. It's just so funny.

Kelli (07:16.93)
That is very funny. I believe it. you know, Cathy asks Kyle if she's sure Natalie is a liar because it's a very strong word. Kyle is like adamant. Not only adamant, but she says to Cathy like, I'm your sister. Like, who are you going to believe? I feel like Kyle is acting very differently this season than we've seen her act in the past. that kind of...

Talk normally comes from Cathy to Kyle, not from Kyle to Cathy.

We Wine Whenever (07:51.398)
Yeah. mean, Natalie, Natalie did lie because she didn't, but the whole thing with Natalie is she didn't roll Bose under the bus, but she should have, cause she should have just said, okay, Bose said, I didn't remember. Natalie should have said, well, this is what the conversation was. This is how it went down. Maybe that'll strike your memory because she should have taken it off of herself and

put it back on to Bose because...

Kelli (08:23.63)
100 yeah, absolutely absolutely. She's not

We Wine Whenever (08:25.778)
But then, you can't be mad about people are coming for you either because you are the one who opened up the conversation. You were the one who asked the question because you wanted a response. So if you threw the ball out, so you better hop a tate away, you better do something.

Kelli (08:46.83)
She's not housewifing the way you're supposed to housewife. She's not understanding the assignment. I don't think we'll see her again.

We Wine Whenever (08:49.722)
No, no.

We Wine Whenever (08:54.13)
No. And I loved how Cathy Hilton is talking about, you know, Conrad Hilton and Joshua Gabor. And Erica just says, well, she was a lot, Jesus Christ, like beyond. It's just so great. I just love some of her comments. Yeah, I just love some of her comments. And I loved how Ka was like, if you're

Kelli (09:14.104)
Like as if they were besties.

We Wine Whenever (09:22.822)
fucking lying than you're fucking lying.

Kelli (09:26.668)
Yeah. I, you know, when Erica started talking about how Dorit is constantly late and Kyle's like the fact that Dorit being late is so strange. Like, I don't know what Kyle's talking about, but Dorit being late has been an issue since Dorit joined the show. Literally, literally. This has been a problem since she joined the show. So Kyle trying to make it out that this is strange behavior of Dorit. mean,

We Wine Whenever (09:27.718)
You know.

We Wine Whenever (09:41.979)
is nothing now.

Kelli (09:55.479)
and Dorit spending money, like this is not strange behavior.

We Wine Whenever (10:00.132)
No, it's the same and everything is the same and I really love... Yeah.

Kelli (10:03.276)
I just feel like Kyle's on a mission. I really, really feel like Kyle's on a mission.

We Wine Whenever (10:08.326)
And I really like Rachel's flow. Rachel's like, okay, so that's her gig. Either I'm gonna wait for her or I'm not gonna wait for her. And if she pisses me off, I'll tell her. But like, that's not my, it's not my problem. That's Dorit's problem.

Kelli (10:27.054)
Right, right. You can, I mean, you're on a show together, so you really can't pick and choose who you travel with, but you can do what, you know, the flying situation here, like the three separate, you know, I don't know if it was here the last trip, but you don't have to travel with her. You can make your own travel arrangements if it bothers you all that much, you know? How about Tilly in the pool naked?

We Wine Whenever (10:28.72)
You know what I mean? And that's really how it should be.

We Wine Whenever (10:42.448)
Bye.

We Wine Whenever (10:48.09)
No. Yeah. If it bothers you. Right.

We Wine Whenever (10:55.218)
I love it. And I was thinking to myself at first, was thinking, Oh my God, did she like get to Italy and like hire some photographer? But then I figured out it was the assistant from the Villa, from the Villa with his iPhone. I was like, Oh, she's great. And then all the girls are headed out to go grape stomping. You know, the girls that are going to go. And I don't know why some people were like,

Kelli (10:56.494)
She's adorable.

Kelli (11:06.71)
It was the guy? Yeah.

Kelli (11:15.062)
We Wine Whenever (11:24.806)
terrified of biking. They're like, the bikes are terrifying.

Kelli (11:28.92)
I think it was really, really hot. And they were all dressed up. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (11:32.658)
Yeah, maybe that was it. Right. So ended up to be Bose, Amanda and Natalie on the bikes. And then Rachel Sutton and Jennifer in the car. that's when Tilly points out where she did her thirst trap photo session. Yeah. And I thinking, I guess, like, was thinking, did she hire somebody? And I'm like, oh, is it just some dude who like works there?

Kelli (11:40.685)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (11:53.806)
She's awesome.

We Wine Whenever (12:02.278)
And then later on when they got to the villa, got to the grape stomping. I was like, that's who it was. It was the assistant. Yeah. Yeah. Pietro.

Kelli (12:08.654)
Yeah, this guy's like their personal butler and doing everything. I liked when Kyle and Erica were waiting on Dorit and Dorit thinks Kyle's gonna apologize. Just like maybe this is gonna be Kyle's opportunity. No.

We Wine Whenever (12:20.21)
I know it's crazy.

We Wine Whenever (12:25.99)
Yeah, but you know, here's the thing. Like this is a thing. I'm sure that Dorit is always late, but you see have Erica and Kyle talking about waiting for Dorit. And then they show production shows Dorit like in her robe still, but that could have been a half hour before. Like it's not, and I'm not defending Dorit. I'm just saying like, you got to keep that in mind. Like sometimes I think about that when I see scenes.

Kelli (12:41.635)
Yes.

Absolutely.

Kelli (12:49.784)
For sure, and because I don't think that was, yeah, I don't think it was the same time, because I don't think she was that late this time.

We Wine Whenever (12:55.768)
Right. Yeah. Just because the show shows that moment doesn't mean that it, you the time frame. Yeah. But.

Kelli (13:00.298)
Or she could have been dressed underneath that robe. Her glam was done, her hair was pulled back in a ponytail. All she's gotta do is pull the ponytail out, take the robe off, and she's ready.

We Wine Whenever (13:09.746)
So basically somebody like to read should have her outfit ready the night before or if you have an outfit ready and see but that's thing if you do it the night before then when you can't find your pasties you go to the next outfit like but obviously she does not have that skill set.

Kelli (13:27.458)
Right. Right.

Kelli (13:32.217)
She doesn't and she doesn't, I think their point is she doesn't care. She doesn't care enough to be on time. She doesn't care enough to put the effort out to plan ahead. Some people are just like that, right? I wasn't like that when I was younger. I was late to everything. I was like one of the people who live in my house. There was no sense of urgency. I'm not like that anymore.

We Wine Whenever (13:43.12)
Yeah, and she should. Yeah, but she should, definitely. These are your co-workers.

Kelli (13:59.043)
But some people, I feel like it just came with maturity where I was like, I gotta plan ahead and I like to be organized and probably when I had kids, quite honestly. some people, guess, just don't ever get that way. Maybe especially people who have assistants who kind of do things for them and you know.

We Wine Whenever (14:16.378)
Or them, right, right, right. I mean, I wish I was more together, but I just try my best and that's it. And it is what it is. But okay, so this is my question.

Kelli (14:25.856)
It is what it is. Bye.

We Wine Whenever (14:32.752)
You're going on this trip, you're gonna go stomp grapes. I'm sure you got like an itinerary of what you were gonna do while you're wearing long dresses. And if you wear a long dress, you know, there's a very easy thing that you do. You pull the dress up and you tuck it kind of into your underwear and you make your dress a short dress. It's not hard. Why was everybody...

Kelli (14:39.629)
Yes.

Kelli (14:55.032)
where you pull it up in the front and you do like a little knot to shorten it up.

We Wine Whenever (14:59.664)
Yeah, like something. Something. Why you... Why you wear long dresses?

Kelli (15:03.68)
Not only, not only why are you wearing long dresses, but why are you wearing designer shoes when you're gonna stomp grapes and put your stained feet back in your designer shoes? Like, which I don't think they like really thought it out, because Rachel was like, wait, wait, what? Like we're, and come on, they don't, you don't wash your feet before you stomp grapes? I mean, I don't even, I mean, I'm gonna, but I don't even.

We Wine Whenever (15:14.63)
back in your shoes. It just makes like.

I guess not.

We Wine Whenever (15:28.562)
Oh, it wasn't grapes to make anything with. was just... It was like fake. You know what I mean? They're gonna throw them grapes away. Yeah, no, no, no, Yeah. No.

Kelli (15:36.977)
thank God. I'm like, really? I mean, would rinse them off with alcohol. Do something for crying out loud.

We Wine Whenever (15:44.474)
Yeah, no, no, no, it wasn't to use. It was just to put your feet in there and then they're throwing them grapes away.

Kelli (15:47.374)
Ugh.

We Wine Whenever (15:52.538)
And it's so funny the approach of it. Like Jennifer is looking at it like she's gonna, you she wants to put...

Kelli (16:02.446)
stomped by housewives.

We Wine Whenever (16:04.046)
Yeah, she wants to, you know, put that on her grape stomping on her like, you know, actress thing, like, like Lucio Ball, you know. And then there's Rachel So saying like, don't like squishy things. She did really look uncomfortable. And then she's asking, do you think this stains? Well, yeah, it's grapes. What are you wearing a long dress for?

Kelli (16:09.459)
yeah, her IMBD. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Her CV, yeah.

Kelli (16:17.102)
hahahaha

Kelli (16:23.722)
It's great. Right.

Kelli (16:29.304)
Well, Sutton says that Bose has a commanding presence and people fall in line for her.

At this point now, and if Wendy were here, she would hard, hard disagree with me. But at this point now, I really am buying into the fact that Sutton is buddying up with Amanda to be more on Kyle's side. And especially the way she's speaking about Bose. Because I think that the Bose and I think that the fact that Dorit bonded so quickly with Bose, Bose's first season, really bothered Kyle.

We Wine Whenever (16:56.452)
Almost, definitely.

Kelli (17:07.246)
And I think that Sutton is now saying certain things about Bose because of her friendship with Dorit. I mean, listen, I've been watching Housewives a very long time. There are reasons that these women move the way they move. And I think that this is why Sutton is moving the way she's moving.

We Wine Whenever (17:26.448)
And I think that Kyle is still pissed about the text thing from the reunion.

Kelli (17:33.247)
obviously, right?

We Wine Whenever (17:35.056)
Yeah, I definitely think so, but there were some weird things. So like.

Kelli (17:38.23)
I'm sorry, but why is she not as angry with Erica as she is Dorit? Yes, Dorit held the phone up. Erica read it. Erica is the one who read it out loud. Why are you not as upset with Erica? That was a joint effort on both of their parts.

We Wine Whenever (17:52.624)
Right. Yes, most definitely. So they're in the vineyard and Natalie says, if Amanda is saying she feels, confirmed that I heard it. Does that sentence make, I rewound it like three times. Natalie says, if Amanda is saying she feels I confirmed that I heard it.

Kelli (18:20.022)
Okay, so Amanda saying that she confirmed the fact that Natalie said she heard Bose. Amanda confirmed that Natalie heard Bose.

We Wine Whenever (18:33.818)
I don't know. But that's not what's in question, you know.

Kelli (18:35.918)
You're not buying it.

We Wine Whenever (18:41.181)
When did Amanda, you know?

Kelli (18:45.698)
because when Amanda and Kyle and Natalie were off on their own and Amanda did, mean, she really like innocently said to Natalie, well, you were standing there. Did you hear Bo say my name? Did you hear Bo say Amanda? And remember Natalie didn't say I heard it. She said, yes, I saw that. That's what Natalie said. Right. So at this point, so this is why I don't understand why Kyle is.

We Wine Whenever (19:03.056)
I saw it, yeah. I saw it and it was a joke. That's what she said.

Kelli (19:14.446)
calling Natalie a liar because didn't, Natalie say, so when they went to that dinner, did Natalie say she didn't hear Bo say Amanda's name? Like why is, because she said she was saying it in jest. So basically Kyle is like, what was the joke? What was the joke? What was the joke? And Natalie's not saying it. And that's why she's calling her a liar. I'm not buying it. I think producers showed Kyle exactly what happened.

And that's why Kyle's going so hard saying, what was the joke? And you're lying. Cause you're saying you, you know, don't remember whatever, but it, listen, if Kyle knows what happened, just say it at this point so we can move on. But it, don't you feel like it got completely dropped though?

We Wine Whenever (19:42.161)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (20:05.65)
yeah, it's craziness.

Kelli (20:07.66)
Yep. And now we're on to Bo's and Erica chat GBTing Amanda.

We Wine Whenever (20:16.934)
I don't know. Yeah, but you still, you're going to tell me with all this hubbub and all this goings on from the day before.

Kelli (20:18.476)
Like one thing got dropped.

We Wine Whenever (20:29.028)
natalie hasn't said to boz hey this is what you said and boz and boz hasn't gone off to natalie and been like what the fuck was she talking about like did i say something on the mirror that's how normal people act it's like how and the whole scene right

Kelli (20:33.166)
Right. Right, by the way...

Kelli (20:41.4)
Right.

Kelli (20:45.966)
Exactly. If somebody said I said something and I didn't remember saying it, I would be like, and whatever I said apparently hurt someone's feelings. I would be steadfast in trying to figure out what I said. Yep. Yep.

We Wine Whenever (20:59.388)
Yeah, I'd be like, my God, what'd say? Yeah, figure it out. Absolutely. Yeah. So I was just like, that's not making sense. And the whole Bose and Amanda interaction at that winery made no sense at all to me. It made no sense. I don't know what.

Kelli (21:17.794)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (21:28.306)
I don't know why Bose thinks that Amanda has to explain her business to her. But the annoying part is that Amanda, instead of giving something that's more personal, like instead of her saying, well, the reason why I started the business was blank, blank, blank, because it was important to me. And then blank, blank, blank. She just starts spouting out the figures that her assistant has drilled into her head about.

Kelli (21:33.518)
That's what I'm saying. I totally agree.

Kelli (21:55.394)
Right. Right.

We Wine Whenever (21:57.87)
And I think also a problem is you can't be like, you're this perfect business. You can't be like, you've never pissed anybody off. You can't.

Kelli (22:11.682)
Right. Or your refunds are because people bought a course that they had already bought. No.

We Wine Whenever (22:18.521)
Yeah, and I think that's kind of part of the problem. You can't be like, oh, my kids are so awesome. Once in a while, you got to be like, oh, my kid puked in my hair. You got to...

Kelli (22:20.642)
Huh!

Kelli (22:35.278)
But maybe that's the point they're trying to make. Listen, I know somebody who does that. That everything's wonderful. You ask them about their kids, everything's, they talk about everybody else. Everybody else. But when it comes to their family, everybody's perfect, the kids are great, this one's been dating this one so long, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Everything's wonderful. But they talk about everybody else. And maybe that's their point with Amanda. Like, everything can't be perfect.

We Wine Whenever (22:47.292)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (22:54.971)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (23:01.434)
Everything can be perfect. Yeah.

Kelli (23:03.182)
But really, what is she gonna do? Come on a TV show and say the downside of her company? No! I mean...

We Wine Whenever (23:10.554)
Right, right, right. No, no, no. Yeah. Yeah, I know. It makes no sense.

Kelli (23:15.604)
It makes no sense. Like, Bose, tell us about your failures and your career. Like, I mean, come on.

We Wine Whenever (23:21.618)
Right. Yeah. Yeah. I just didn't get, I didn't get the whole interaction between Bo's and Amanda at the Vineyard. I was just like, ah, I'm stuck in.

Kelli (23:32.299)
No, but how about when Amanda and her professional does chat GBT on Bose and she's like, stop, stop. So dramatic and reading reviews that are basically saying about Bose, what Bose is saying about Amanda, which I mean, who knows? Listen, I am not, I'm not a chat GBT per, well, I am, but not like some people. Like I use it, you know, for, I don't use it frequently at all.

We Wine Whenever (23:39.31)
Yeah, that was, that was annoying. That was annoying.

We Wine Whenever (23:54.704)
you. Right, right.

Kelli (24:02.284)
But I'm certainly not gonna spend my time chatting between any of these Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, because I don't care that much. I don't know. I think this is silly, this whole thing.

We Wine Whenever (24:15.802)
It is silly. It is foolishness.

Kelli (24:19.05)
How about when Amanda said she doesn't normally walk in a room where people don't know who she is? I never heard of her before in my life before this season of Real Housewives of Beverly Hills and even Rachel Zoe, Rachel Zoe, who I most certainly knew who she was before she joined this cast was like, I don't ever expect to walk into a room where everybody knows who I am. Like.

We Wine Whenever (24:27.74)
Now you need to stop it. You need to stop it. Right.

We Wine Whenever (24:43.494)
No, no, so.

Kelli (24:45.42)
I mean some self-awareness. Amanda, honestly, I had no clue who you are.

We Wine Whenever (24:49.274)
Right. Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (24:51.052)
I'm sure there are people out there who did, but most Real Housewives fans didn't probably know who you are prior to you joining this cast.

We Wine Whenever (24:53.586)
All right.

We Wine Whenever (24:59.058)
Right. Mm-hmm. So, Bo says, baseline of Amanda's defense mechanism whenever she gets criticism is that she is insecure. Because if she was actually secure in how she is, how she runs a business, how she lives her life, then she would be able to defend it without getting flustered and angry. I didn't think she was getting flustered and angry. So, I was like, what are you talking about? She didn't seem flustered at all.

Kelli (25:26.766)
She wasn't. She didn't receive plus or delta.

We Wine Whenever (25:28.688)
She was just like...

Kelli (25:32.462)
She didn't seem flustered at all. She stayed very...

We Wine Whenever (25:34.854)
She was just like, why are you questioning my success in my business? And then spouts out her analytics. But I didn't see her.

Kelli (25:43.148)
Right. Unless there was something we didn't see. We didn't see her get angry or defensive. I mean, right, flustered.

We Wine Whenever (25:49.042)
I was like, what are you talking about, Bose? I didn't even understand what she was talking about.

Kelli (25:58.467)
Yeah, Bose tells Amanda to pull the wall down and let them see her. But.

We Wine Whenever (26:07.218)
And I'm not buying what Boz is saying because she's saying two things at the same time. She's saying she wants to get to know her, then, and in the same breath, she's saying she made her own cult and she's a liar. She's calling her a Pinocchio. what are you doing? So, I don't know. And I don't know what prompts these people put in when they look people up.

Kelli (26:21.998)
Right. Right.

Kelli (26:26.157)
Bye.

We Wine Whenever (26:39.058)
Because, I don't know, it's crazy.

Kelli (26:39.383)
I don't know.

Kelli (26:45.304)
Yeah, so now we get to Erica, Kyle, and Dorit going to a 600 year old church. And they get there and Erica just basically says she feels awkward and she wants the two of them to kind of get their shit together, Dorit and Kyle, and be friends.

We Wine Whenever (27:01.362)
That was like the most deserted town ever besides one person and the gelato guy. was like, it was very weird. That whole scene was very odd. Like it just felt uncomfortable. It was there's like no one, it was weird. It was weird. Yeah, it was weird.

Kelli (27:08.494)
I

Kelli (27:17.292)
Yeah. Like, why was nobody there? Yeah. Why was nobody there? Sorry.

You know, the whole thing, Dorit says Kyle's talking behind her back. She is. says Dorit's been late and it's frustrating.

We Wine Whenever (27:41.414)
But really...

I kind of get why Dorit got a little pissed because other than Dorit being late, what does Erica really have to say about the situation? Like you did your opener line for Kyle so you get it going. And maybe, okay, when they're sitting on the wall, she said something about her being late and it's annoying. Okay. But after that, why don't you just let Kyle and Dorit go? what?

Kelli (27:56.258)
Right.

Kelli (28:12.034)
Well, I agree with you, but I think that Erica was there to basically have Kyle's back. And I think Dorit figured that out very quickly. Kyle does always bring someone else into it. Well, Rachel said this, but if Bo said this, it's like Kyle's not a strong presence on her own.

She needs people around her.

We Wine Whenever (28:44.678)
Yeah. Yeah. So Kyle, right. So Kyle basically thinks that she's just saying what everybody else is thinking and that Dorit is dismissing anything that she says just because it's her that's saying it. And Dorit thinks that Kyle is not being supportive and that she's talking about her behind her back. So I don't know.

Kelli (28:45.952)
and Dorit clearly does not.

Kelli (29:04.12)
But I loved when Dorit was like, but I trust Bose and I don't trust you. And she has no reason to because Kyle is literally talking behind her back to everyone.

We Wine Whenever (29:08.154)
And then I'll trust you. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (29:16.338)
Yeah.

Kelli (29:18.464)
I mean, honestly, ladies, you're on a show together. You know that if you wanna have a sit down with just the two of you, the cameras are gonna be there in a hot second. If Kyle did that with Doree, Doree, she can run away, but she probably wouldn't run away. It's that Kyle can't defend herself on her own. She just can't.

We Wine Whenever (29:41.164)
And do you know, I saw a post, there were two vehicles from production. So she didn't leave them there. There was two vehicles there. That was a whole, that was a whole stupid setup.

Kelli (29:48.881)
I believe it. And the other thing I was thinking was exactly, like producers knew exactly what was going on. So if Dorit was like, want ad here, they would have been like, okay, send another car now for Erica and Kyle. Like even if it wasn't just sitting there, which I'm sure it was, but if it weren't, would have sent it.

We Wine Whenever (30:07.94)
Yeah, yeah, there was a picture. Like somebody like screenshotted the scene and there were two cars. The car that Dorie got into, but the other car that was there was the same car that they pulled up in. So it was the car that was already there. So we really didn't have to get Kyle's, well, I guess we're going to have to call an Italian fucking Uber comment.

Kelli (30:25.73)
Yeah, it's just stupid.

Kelli (30:33.506)
Right, right. Nice try, Kyle. Kyle saying that she was showing Dorit Grace by not saying anything is the biggest line of bullshit this season because you weren't showing her any grace. You just weren't saying it to her. You were saying it to everybody else. So that was bullshit. And I kind of...

We Wine Whenever (30:36.658)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (30:57.104)
And you know, they go back and show her saying it to bringing that up to everybody, to everybody. Yeah. That, know, when they go back to the villa.

Kelli (31:01.654)
everybody

And she did say erratic behavior, like...

We Wine Whenever (31:08.594)
She did. And she said it OCD.

Kelli (31:11.222)
Yeah, and spending too much money. Like, what are you doing? These are all things that PK can use against her in a custody hearing, in a divorce proceeding, and you fucking know that. You're separated right now, Einstein. Like, why would this woman trust you?

We Wine Whenever (31:27.634)
And you know, right? And you know you're calling the person she's closest to and telling her that shit. You know, what was I going to tell? Like, it's just, it made no sense.

Kelli (31:38.379)
Exactly. It's almost like she said it to Boze to see if she would go back and tell Dorit because if she didn't, then Kyle could be like, well, I talked to Boze about it and she didn't tell you. I really think Kyle has a problem with how quickly Boze and Dorit bonded, which listen, we all saw it in real time. It was at Sutton's party and Dorit had like basically word vomit and unloaded on

We Wine Whenever (31:51.408)
Right.

Kelli (32:06.798)
the first night and told her all about her divorce. I mean, we saw it. And Boz was like, damn, you got a lot going on. I think I wanna be your friend. Where I would have been like, where is the bar? Because I gotta get away from this woman. I got enough shit of my own. I don't need her shit too.

We Wine Whenever (32:09.83)
More than everything, Right.

We Wine Whenever (32:21.968)
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (32:27.622)
Yeah. And then when they were back in there at the Villa, you know, they all start talking about Kyle says, you know, bring once to discuss the conversation with her and Bose that happened in the Hamptons. And then we see Bose and her confessional saying she doesn't appreciate being dragged into the conversation. And she says, Bose says she expressed what she expressed in response to Kyle's concerns, which when you watch it back, that's exactly what she did. Every single person that

Kyle brought this to simply kind of went along with the conversation. wasn't like somebody was like, I'm so glad you brought that up because I've been feeling that. It was none of that.

Kelli (33:02.798)
appeased her.

Kelli (33:11.82)
Right, no, mean, Bo's saying she doesn't appreciate being dragged into the conversation, but she was the one who told Dorit what Kyle said, so she kind of, know, you have some responsibility here.

We Wine Whenever (33:18.972)
You're right.

Kelli (33:28.046)
Rachel's like, I didn't know this is new behavior for Dorit. It's not, Rachel, it's not. This is 100 % behavior of Dorit, her being late. I'm not gonna use the word erratic, because I don't think she's being erratic. I think she's doing the best she can with what she's being handed. Listen, Kyle stayed with a man who cheated on her. I think we can pretty much all agree that that is what happened in her marriage.

We Wine Whenever (33:32.357)
Right, it's not.

We Wine Whenever (33:38.45)
All

We Wine Whenever (33:42.322)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (33:53.746)
Put that out there.

Kelli (33:57.679)
And then they decided to separate when her kids are all older. know? Doree is dealing with someone who, you know, he doesn't seem like the nicest person to deal with, PK. I think that PK is probably a bit manipulative and twisting words and doing stuff like that. And she has little kids. So she's doing the best she can. She's trying to protect her kids.

We Wine Whenever (34:15.632)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Kelli (34:22.776)
but also let him see her thumb because if not, he's gonna twist it and make it look like she's, like, you know.

We Wine Whenever (34:27.345)
Right, right.

Plus I think there's a part of Kyle who is a little...

not Chelsa Dury, but I think she kind of wishes that she would have been able to, you know, to cut the Mauricio cord to not have it drag on as long as it did, to not put up with the thing. You know what I mean? I think she kind of envies that.

Kelli (35:00.46)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (35:01.308)
complete separation that Dorit is able to do. And Kyle's never been able to do the whole Mauricio is a fucking asshole thing because that's not how she's chosen to operate through the whole thing. And I think she's a little resentful that she can't have that the way Dorit's having that.

Kelli (35:25.678)
I, one, think that Kyle is not enjoying herself on this show anymore. And I personally believe that that's when you have to exit. I've said this about Teresa Giudice multiple times. She just wasn't enjoying herself on the show anymore. Kyle, I feel the same way right now. And personally, I feel like that's when you should exit. Kyle does not need the money. I mean, what are you doing?

We Wine Whenever (35:50.17)
Right, so what are you doing?

Kelli (35:53.816)
This is a couple of months out of your year every year.

We Wine Whenever (35:54.323)
I don't think anybody on that show is having fun except for Jennifer Tully. And I think that shows through on the season and that's why some people are saying it's like a boring season or whatever. I don't think that's it. I think it's just that you have these women that have all worked with each other for years and years and years and they're co-workers. And yeah, just like a job, real job when you go to work. There's some people who are your friends at work.

Kelli (36:01.729)
I agree.

We Wine Whenever (36:22.62)
There are some people who become your friends outside of work and there's some people that you just have to fucking deal with because you're working with them. So I think they're all like had it with each other. But I think that's from working together for so long.

Kelli (36:29.314)
Right. Right.

Kelli (36:35.404)
Yeah, but the difference is that Erica needs the paycheck. Dorit needs the paycheck. Kyle does not need the paycheck.

We Wine Whenever (36:42.183)
Yes.

No, she doesn't need the paycheck. And Kyle was kind of fresh when she did like the Dorit imitation and the accent remark. I was like...

Kelli (36:47.416)
Bose doesn't need the paycheck. Rachel doesn't need the paycheck.

Kelli (36:58.83)
Absolutely. That's what I mean. Like, I also feel like

We Wine Whenever (37:01.086)
huh. And then she said, oops. And I was just like, ooh, girl.

Kelli (37:07.018)
I feel like Kyle has a lot of misdirected anger. She's angry about something. And I don't think it's, I don't think it's Dorit, I'll be honest with you, because there's really no, I mean, when she said to her, I know it's at the end, but stop riding my ass for everything, she wasn't. It's like you're accusing Dorit of doing what you're doing to Dorit.

We Wine Whenever (37:11.792)
Mm-hmm. She is quite angry.

We Wine Whenever (37:32.026)
and what you're doing. Right, deflection.

Kelli (37:34.582)
You're doing that to DeRitte. DeRitte's not going around talking about you. And DeRitte has not gone around talking about you except for reading that, except for showing that text message. Because that text message was basically, Kyle basically asking her to be silent, silent.

We Wine Whenever (37:47.397)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (37:52.528)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Kelli (38:03.31)
So Rachel was in the car with Dorit going to dinner and she fills her room on what was said and Rachel said she doesn't like how Kyle is saying that everyone is saying this, everyone feels this way. And I agree with Dorit, she's like pinning people, trying to pin people against Dorit. And honestly, listen, maybe this is what Kyle has chosen to do for her storyline this season because...

whether she's with Morgan Wade, whether she's not with Morgan Wade. This way nobody's talking about the chicks Maurizio's hooking up with. I don't know. But it's obviously deflection, so nobody's talking about whatever the hell's going on in her life. you can't be on a reality TV show if this is how you're gonna work.

We Wine Whenever (38:40.026)
Right, right, right.

We Wine Whenever (38:51.856)
Right. And it's amazing because Kyle admits that Dorit's behavior is not really that big of a deal. But the big deal to her is that Dorit is annoyed with her about everything, but not anyone else. Well, that's because nobody else is starting the conversation, but you, Kyle. Yeah. Yeah. So.

Kelli (39:11.148)
Right. Like nobody else is talking about it except you.

Kelli (39:18.926)
And then they finally get to dinner and Sutton says that they're moving her son to school in South Carolina.

We Wine Whenever (39:25.266)
Now, then now, when she said that, I said to myself, oh, that's why she was crying with Amanda. I don't think she was crying because it had anything to do with Amanda. think that, you know what I mean? She was just in her feelings. She was just in her feelings and she was feeling bad because it reminded her when, you know, she was ganged up on and then the whole thing with her son. I was just like, ah, that's why she's crying, you know?

Kelli (39:33.592)
Good point.

Kelli (39:38.21)
You're absolutely right. Absolutely. Absolutely.

Kelli (39:52.749)
Yeah, yeah, you're absolutely right. Because we don't know when it's going to hit us. boy, when it does. I could cry at the drop of a dime anymore. I really can.

We Wine Whenever (39:58.654)
Mm-hmm. Yes.

please.

We Wine Whenever (40:07.185)
The problem is is that I could cry and then five minutes later I could smash a hammer on your head.

Kelli (40:13.868)
Bye.

We Wine Whenever (40:15.919)
Either or, you don't know. Yeah. Yeah, you don't know. You don't know what you're gonna get. So everybody out there, just be real cool with pre-menopause and post-menopause women. Be cool, because...

Kelli (40:16.494)
No one in particular, just in general.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha!

Kelli (40:28.622)
Menopause, yeah. We have to do a whole episode on perimenopause, but we really, really do, because it's real, people. It's real. I've started, I was always a soft snorer, as Lori knows, because we've traveled together, but I have started snoring so badly. I've mentioned it before. My husband records me in the middle of the night and then shows me the next morning, because I'm like, no, I wasn't.

We Wine Whenever (40:36.365)
my god, yes.

Kelli (40:58.124)
Well, my daughter is dog sitting for a friend and I went and spent the night one night because, you know, so she wasn't there alone and I was snoring so loudly she had to go sleep on the couch.

We Wine Whenever (41:09.747)
You snorted her out of the room. You snorted her out. Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's a great time. It's a great time.

Kelli (41:13.998)
That was music to my husband's ears to hear that story. But I feel like that's part of the perimenopause because I was never like this.

We Wine Whenever (41:18.499)
yes, he was vindicated. So Bose, almost definitely. Yeah. Yeah. All kinds of things happen. All kinds of disintegrate, go sideways, malfunction, glitch. There's lots of glitching. Yeah. But Bose is right. Kyle is trying to garner support for her opinions so that it can be seen more palatable to Doreen. That's exactly what Bose said. And I think that that's...

Kelli (41:30.122)
muscle spasm.

Yeah

Kelli (41:42.818)
Yes. Yes. That's spot on.

We Wine Whenever (41:47.783)
Definitely the truth.

Kelli (41:49.775)
Spot on. like Kyle bringing up the fact that Rachel said we're on Dorit time, it was a joke. It was a joke. And like Rachel said, she'll say it right to Dorit's face.

We Wine Whenever (42:00.893)
Yes.

Kelli (42:03.308)
So, Dorit says, if you thought I was acting erratic, why didn't you speak to me about it? And Kyle says, we were having a good time and I didn't think it was the right time. But you went and talked about it to other people. I don't see how anyone can think that Kyle is making any sense right now. Like talking about in the Hamptons, like Dorit was saying, like in the Hamptons, in the Hamptons, if you thought I was acting erratic, why didn't you just come to me and talk to me and.

Well, we were having a good time and I didn't think it was the right time. But you couldn't wait to get on the phone with Bose and tell her.

We Wine Whenever (42:36.499)
So when you got home, right, right. Or when you got home, yeah, I didn't, you didn't make any effort to do it then. You didn't be like, hey, you know what? We had a great time at the Hamptons. Let's get together and have a drink. And then say to her, you know, this is what I saw when we were away. Maybe it's just me being overprotective of you. Like you gotta word things the right way, you know? But she didn't do that. So I don't know.

Kelli (43:01.336)
Yep.

Kelli (43:05.784)
The way Kyle said quit riding my ass all the time and the look on her face. Like she-

We Wine Whenever (43:11.505)
He was very, very angry.

Kelli (43:14.688)
I mean, listen, she's very angry. mean, and Dorit ate her up in that conversation, ate her up. I mean, maybe she was just mad at that, but she is angry at something and I don't think it's Dorit.

Kelli (43:30.744)
They didn't show any upcoming scenes from next week, right?

We Wine Whenever (43:34.151)
No, I noticed that. No, I noticed that they didn't. Yeah, that was odd. I thought that was odd.

Yeah, who knows? But I think the takeaways are, like you said, Kyle's angry. We don't know what. Amanda, I don't know what they want from that poor girl. What they want from that poor girl. Right. No.

Kelli (43:42.477)
I don't know.

Kelli (43:57.135)
I'm starting to feel bad for Amanda now and I don't want to feel bad for Amanda. You know, listen, I also don't want to see her business blow up in her face. Like this woman did what she had to do to become successful. And if some people are getting something out of it, okay, great. I mean, Wendy called her a snake oil salesman, maybe, but sometimes some people need snake oil.

We Wine Whenever (44:13.415)
then great, Right? Right?

We Wine Whenever (44:24.231)
Listen, Tony Roberts has made a lot of money, a lot of money from Snake Oil. know, Amanda's not the only one, you know, she's not the only, and there is a lot to be said for it. You know, but if it's not your gig, it doesn't mean that

Kelli (44:27.18)
Robbins, yeah.

Kelli (44:31.862)
Right, and he was in Shallow Howl.

We Wine Whenever (44:51.409)
Just because it's not your gig or it's not something that you understand doesn't mean that it's invalid.

Kelli (44:57.058)
Right, exactly. Exactly.

We Wine Whenever (45:02.097)
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Kelli (45:03.47)
Now listen.

Kelli (45:07.47)
Ha ha ha!

We Wine Whenever (45:13.555)
Okay, that's so good. Yes, endorsements so that we can get little plastic surgery and stuff for ourselves and vacation. So that's what we're

Kelli (45:13.686)
endorsements.

Kelli (45:22.156)
Yeah, I just want a vacation. I mean, I need my eyes done and you know, tummy tuck, lift and reduction, but you know what? I'll get to it. I'd just rather go on a vacation at this point, because maybe that would help my eyes. one thing that came out today and I'm not buying it. supposedly Margaret Joseph's filed from, for divorce from, Joe Benigno, but I don't believe it. think that that's probably Louie putting that shit out there. Let's face it. But.

We Wine Whenever (45:25.715)
Well, there you go.

We Wine Whenever (45:49.625)
Maybe, maybe. Yeah, I didn't hear that.

Kelli (45:51.746)
Yeah, yeah, I don't think I read anything else today of, well, Summer House, I'm not even watching this season, but there's a whole big supposed love trial going on. Kyle Cook and Amanda Petula are getting divorced, and supposedly she was seen with West Wilson, and he used to date Ciara, and it's a whole big thing.

We Wine Whenever (46:15.315)
that's that whole text you guys sent me that I didn't even look at. I didn't even look at it because I was like...

Kelli (46:18.794)
Exactly, Cousin Gina and Wendy are watching Summer House. I cannot stomach Kyle Cook, so I can't watch the show anymore.

We Wine Whenever (46:23.887)
Okay.

I don't know anything about it.

Kelli (46:29.644)
Yeah, don't at this point, unless you're to watch from the beginning. Don't bother.

We Wine Whenever (46:31.251)
I can barely watch what I have to watch.

Kelli (46:37.27)
I know, but listen, Rhode Island's coming out this week. Get excited, people. she's not excited. I'm so excited for Rhode Island.

We Wine Whenever (46:48.029)
Well, I'm happy that you're happy.

Kelli (46:51.022)
And that's what friends are for.

We Wine Whenever (46:54.147)
Yeah, that's what friends are for. All right, so like, follow and...

Kelli (46:58.808)
subscribe, all the things. Five star reviews.

We Wine Whenever (47:00.304)
manifest for us.

Yes, manifest. Okay, good night. Bye.

Kelli (47:06.286)
Bye.