Wendy (00:01.166)
Hi, welcome to We Why Whenever, I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:04.655)
I'm Kelly.

We Wine Whenever (00:05.514)
And I'm Lauren.

Wendy (00:07.406)
We are talking about Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, season 15, episode number 11, The Price of Divorce. I don't think that's a bad title for this one.

Kelli (00:18.863)
don't either and I truly, truly enjoyed this episode. There was no fighting. And we learned a lot about a lot of them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (00:24.961)
I agree.

We Wine Whenever (00:29.97)
All of them. Yep, a lot of them. Yep.

Wendy (00:32.556)
We sure did. I did too. I enjoyed this episode too. We start out with Lael driving with Boz. Boz, yeah. Sutton is playing tennis with Victor. I guess that's her coach or something, her instructor.

Kelli (00:49.945)
seen him before. think he's her instructor and I think we've seen him before.

We Wine Whenever (00:53.448)
Thanks.

Wendy (00:53.818)
okay. All right. And then we see Amanda talking to Shoshana, her seven-year-old stepdaughter, about her and her daughter Delilah are going to be flower girls at her wedding. And she's doing her nails. I thought that was a very interesting scene that they chose to show us. Like, why?

We Wine Whenever (01:16.639)
I don't know.

Kelli (01:17.627)
I mean, I think when the show opens, especially this franchise, they like to do that. They like to just show us little clips, little bursts of people. Yeah, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (01:24.628)
little snippets.

Wendy (01:27.094)
Yeah, I mean, I like that they give us little bursts and clips of people. I just think it was interesting that we got her and her stepdaughter. You know what I'm saying?

We Wine Whenever (01:37.302)
I don't know, maybe they're trying to approach her mom aspect more. As opposed to her business.

Kelli (01:37.552)
Well

Kelli (01:41.531)
Yeah, yeah, and you know people had again people had strong opinions about her saying you know they were her children But their their mother came out and said yes, you've helped raise my children so listen nobody should be questioning at all They seem to be co-parenting very well all of them, and that's that's a good thing. That's a positive thing We don't want to insult that

Wendy (01:46.9)
they did.

Wendy (01:53.335)
Yes.

Wendy (01:58.658)
Yeah, no, I agree.

Wendy (02:07.36)
absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. I totally agree with that. Then we see in the Hamptons, Doree is talking to her daughter via FaceTime. And we find out that the kids are with PK. And we see even PK in the background on the FaceTime, which I thought that was good, right? Except for when she in her confessional said that, you my kids don't know a single bad thing that PK has done to me.

Kelli (02:26.745)
Yeah

Kelli (02:31.227)
Yeah!

Wendy (02:37.28)
Okay, well they're gonna know now!

Kelli (02:37.813)
And then she's like, F, F, like they're like, beep, beep. It's like talking smack about them, calling them names.

We Wine Whenever (02:38.654)
Yeah, they're gonna know now. Right.

Wendy (02:41.536)
Right. Right.

We Wine Whenever (02:48.277)
Yeah.

Wendy (02:48.974)
I don't get it either. really don't. don't. Rachel comes downstairs and she says that she is wrecked from going out the night before, that sunglasses can hide a lot. I absolutely agree. Sunglasses can hide a lot. But honestly, she is the most fabulous wrecked person I've ever seen in my life. Because if that's wrecked, I mean...

Kelli (02:52.347)
Hello?

We Wine Whenever (03:12.678)
absolutely. If that's wrecked. Like if she's, if she could see our wrecked.

Wendy (03:18.69)
Ha ha

Kelli (03:18.902)
Yeah!

We Wine Whenever (03:21.332)
We are not looking Rachel Zewish

Wendy (03:25.364)
Yes.

Kelli (03:25.467)
How about when she said she never saw her mother in sweatpants? I was like, my God, or jeans. I'm like, my God, that's, I live in leggings and jeans. I live in them.

We Wine Whenever (03:29.246)
Yeah, how do you like that? lord. Yeah.

Wendy (03:29.923)
I'm

We Wine Whenever (03:36.02)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, so OK, so we we got the memo that Rachel's mom has never done like the Walmart run where you're looking like, you know, who did it ran?

Wendy (03:37.932)
Yep. She calls her.

Kelli (03:44.981)
Yeah.

Right.

Wendy (03:49.144)
I got that impression though from her when we saw her sitting there at the table. You know what I'm saying? Like I got that impression. She said she's like Elizabeth Taylor. And honestly, I love that for her. And she's the same way. And there's people like that. There's people like that. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (03:53.521)
yeah.

We Wine Whenever (03:57.556)
Ready?

We Wine Whenever (04:01.82)
Mm hmm.

Kelli (04:02.095)
Yep. Yeah?

mean either but yes God bless

Wendy (04:08.462)
Other producers ask Rachel in her confession, like, is everything you own designer? And she's like, well, well, well, almost everything. Listen. Right.

Kelli (04:21.339)
Yeah, because Kyle said her dress was Zara. And she's like, Zara's good. Zara is good. I can't fit into anything in the BAM store, but it is cute. Tesca's cute to fit there. Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (04:27.264)
There is.

Wendy (04:27.606)
Yeah, I loved her dress. I loved Kyle's dress and actually I Dorit's all white outfit with her white Birkin. The thing about Rachel's clothes, they are fabulous for her, but that dress was so damn long, even though she's gotta be six feet tall. It was still too long. I don't know how she does a trip on it. I really don't.

Kelli (04:39.504)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (04:40.128)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (04:45.273)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (04:53.075)
I don't know how she doesn't trip on it either.

Kelli (04:53.438)
You think Rachel's that tall? I don't think Rachel's that tall, do you? okay, okay.

Wendy (04:56.234)
I don't know how tall she is. I don't know how tall she is.

We Wine Whenever (04:58.41)
but she's always, she's, it's like part of her like weird shtick, like just this trailing clothing, like it's just, but she does it.

Wendy (05:03.349)
Yes!

Kelli (05:05.071)
Well, do you see the shoes she's wearing? She's wearing very chunky platform block heeled shoes, like Herman Munster, like block platform block heel. Big shoes, that's what I'm thinking.

We Wine Whenever (05:12.81)
yields. That's so funny.

Right.

Wendy (05:20.792)
So she must be really tiny.

We Wine Whenever (05:21.928)
Maybe she's tiny, maybe she's short, yeah.

Wendy (05:24.664)
She must be really tiny and maybe, and just maybe, now I'm gonna have to pay attention. Maybe when I saw her, cause she was in the house, she didn't have those shoes on yet. And maybe that's why it was so long. Maybe once she puts those shoes on and goes out, this is what I'm thinking now that you just said that, because I could never, I could, I'll be tripping. I'll be tripping all over the place.

We Wine Whenever (05:33.946)
maybe she was with that. She didn't have her shoes on yet. Shoes on. She's good. Yep. Then she's good.

Kelli (05:36.154)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (05:47.828)
I can barely walk like regular, no less. Trolling clothing.

Kelli (05:48.303)
Yeah.

Although, you know, the chunkier the platform and heel, the easier they are to walk in.

We Wine Whenever (05:56.436)
Yes, this is true.

Kelli (05:57.85)
You know, it's the thin heels that are difficult to walk in.

We Wine Whenever (05:59.818)
that are the problem, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Wendy (06:02.38)
Yes. So the three of them are going out for some retail therapy. They're going to go shopping. And they start out this cute little boutique and Rachel immediately buys a white hat, which she, think that was her intention for the outfit. She needed that hat. And Kyle says she's going to go next door to the jewelry store. And meanwhile, back in that little boutique, Dorit is trying on all these clothes and Rachel's helping her.

This is what I would love, to be at a store shopping and have Rachel Zoe there as my personal stylist because she's fabulous.

We Wine Whenever (06:34.378)
Well, yeah, I just want to say this. I just want to say this. People and even the show was making it seem like it was this big deal, the amount of money that Dorie had spent. That's probably no, it's probably like you and I are spending like $300. Okay, so it wasn't that much money and it certainly wasn't that much money considering that you're shopping with a famous fashion designer.

Kelli (06:35.188)
God, yeah.

Wendy (06:46.254)
shouldn't spend that much money.

Kelli (06:53.189)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (07:03.094)
who's picking out shit that is so fucking right for you, go ahead and spend that money, girl, because I can't believe that's all she spent. Because if I had Rachel Zoe with me, and I had just gotten some money, and she said, this looks great, this looks great, this looks great, I would have been like, hell yeah, hell yeah, hell yeah, put it in the bag, so.

Wendy (07:26.542)
No, I agree. I didn't think it was that much at all. I was surprised as, you know, how cheap it was. I shouldn't say cheap, how inexpensive it was for all that she had. mean, first of all, she walked out of the store wearing a completely different outfit. She didn't just get the outfit. She got the hats, the accessories. She did the whole thing. It was a lot. It was a lot. And then Rachel goes over to meet Kyle while Dorit's, you know, paying for stuff. And then of course the little...

We Wine Whenever (07:26.56)
Put that on.

Kelli (07:26.938)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (07:31.146)
Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (07:38.613)
Yes.

Wendy (07:54.904)
Foo-pah with the card, but I, listen, I think it was like a fraud alert. Like when you're traveling and you're putting a, yeah. No big deal, like don't make this into something that it's not.

We Wine Whenever (08:00.308)
Yeah, when you're traveling, absolutely.

Kelli (08:03.827)
yeah, I don't... Yeah, I don't doubt that. I don't doubt that at all.

We Wine Whenever (08:08.49)
Yeah, I felt like that whole thing with her spending was much ado about nothing.

Wendy (08:13.088)
I did too. I did too. I did too.

Kelli (08:15.343)
Well, I'll be honest with you, I was kind of surprised that Kyle was commenting on it. Like, don't do that.

We Wine Whenever (08:23.508)
You were surprised, really, were surprised?

Kelli (08:26.171)
I guess I shouldn't be, but don't do that, Kyle.

We Wine Whenever (08:28.17)
Well, the biggest, the biggest, the biggest thing about Kyle commenting was that you've made all this huss and fuss about Dorit shouldn't be saying things about PK cause it could blow back. But you are now saying she's manic and OCD. You don't think that could blow back on her. So what, what is it that you are doing?

Kelli (08:50.171)
night.

Kelli (08:54.317)
Well, that's exactly what Bo said. Yeah. Like don't let her future ex-husband hear you say that. And quite honestly, if you're saying it on TV to her other friend, you are obviously saying it to Mo, because you and Mo obviously talk about this. So if Mo gets that back to PK, yeah, that's ammunition that PK can use against her. Not

We Wine Whenever (08:57.086)
Right, what is it that you are doing?

We Wine Whenever (09:14.912)
But it was just I was just thinking to myself, what are you doing? Yeah.

Absolutely. Right?

Kelli (09:23.471)
That's not being a friend. That was a terrible thing. I hope that comes up at the reunion.

We Wine Whenever (09:26.169)
I thought, yeah, I was like, I was just like, well, maybe this is some of the problem that explodes. Maybe this is some of the problem that explodes.

Kelli (09:33.307)
No, they're not speaking. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Yes. That's good cause.

Wendy (09:36.322)
I think it is because in Italy, think in Italy that because we see Bozema while they're in Italy telling Dorit what Kyle said and I believe the blow up happens in Italy.

Kelli (09:52.367)
Yeah, well it's for good cause then.

We Wine Whenever (09:52.44)
so maybe that's Absolutely. And it's amazing that Rachel Zoe had to bring an assistant to the Hamptons and they were there for like three days. Like you couldn't go out. Three days?

Kelli (10:08.237)
I know. You know, sometimes I think though, like, is she just bringing her assistant, like, like, is she like just treating her assistant like to a weekend in the Hamptons too? You know what I mean? Like maybe they're not really working. Maybe it's just like, listen, I'm going to go to the Hamptons with my girlfriends. You've been working so hard. Why don't you come with us? Like you don't have to come do everything with us, but I'm going to bring you to this beautiful house with this beautiful pool. You could drink rose and chill, you know?

We Wine Whenever (10:19.558)
That would be nice. That would be nice if that was the case. Really working, right? Come with, right? Right, right, right. Right, just come.

We Wine Whenever (10:37.034)
Right, maybe, yeah.

Kelli (10:38.767)
But maybe not, maybe they're working.

We Wine Whenever (10:40.633)
Right. Yeah. It's just interesting.

Kelli (10:43.867)
But I guess when you're Rachel Zoe's assistant, you're like, okay, I'll go to the Hamptons for three days.

We Wine Whenever (10:46.845)
Okay.

Wendy (10:49.612)
Why not, you know?

We Wine Whenever (10:50.614)
I'll fluff your caftans for you.

Kelli (10:50.917)
Right?

Listen, by the way, I'm going on Airbnb and Verbo to look up like a long weekend in the Hamptons to see if we can get something. I'm checking it out, ladies.

Wendy (11:03.672)
Well, I don't know. One of our social media is someone, I think it was on YouTube, someone told us to go to Montauk because, yeah, because they said that that's like, that's where it's more affordable for people to stay. And that's where they party.

Kelli (11:12.773)
That's where I'm looking.

We Wine Whenever (11:20.981)
Okay.

Kelli (11:21.709)
And it seems like, yeah, that's what it seems like. It seems like even on Summer House, that's where they go to party.

We Wine Whenever (11:29.238)
All right, so any of our listeners, have any Montauk hookups, you have any suggestions, just let us know.

Wendy (11:29.517)
Yeah, so.

Wendy (11:38.828)
Yes, that would be great. So in her confessional, Kyle says, you know, when Mo and I were first separated, you know, I focused on myself and working out and I stopped drinking. And Dorit was the first one to point out to me that, you know, maybe I was doing this because of the separation. So I don't know if this is Kyle.

covering up for what she said to Bose or if it was her really thinking that something's going on with her and is concerned for her friend.

Kelli (12:19.131)
Well, listen, Kyle made changes that are positive for someone. She stopped drinking, right? Like that's a positive change. So for Dorit to say that, Dorit was probably mentioning it because it was a positive thing. What Kyle's bringing up is not positive.

We Wine Whenever (12:28.15)
Alright, keep working out.

Wendy (12:28.258)
I know. No, I get that. I understand that.

Wendy (12:40.952)
Well, I mean, she said in her confessional that she couldn't bring it up to her, but she's saying that she notices something is off with her.

I I see you both think that it was her being a bad friend, but I don't think that that was her intention. I don't think that that was her intention.

Kelli (13:02.575)
don't think she's a bad friend for thinking it. I think she's a bad friend for saying it on TV and saying it to their other friend and possibly saying it to Mo because of the possibility of it getting back to PK and him, PK does not seem like a very nice man. He never really did, but certainly not now. And I do think he's very manipulative and I do think that he would take that information to use it against Dorit. So I think Kyle's a bad friend for putting it out there.

We Wine Whenever (13:07.55)
on TV.

We Wine Whenever (13:20.085)
No.

Wendy (13:20.31)
No, he doesn't. He doesn't.

Kelli (13:32.599)
and for him to get a hold of.

We Wine Whenever (13:36.714)
Yeah. Yeah, I just didn't think it was cool.

Kelli (13:38.235)
Yeah, not for thinking it. mean, listen, we've all had people in our lives who have made bad decisions after a traumatic experience. So we've all thought it, but put it out on national TV where this guy could use it against her. Not great.

Wendy (13:40.588)
Right.

Wendy (13:49.411)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (13:57.622)
Well, especially after you've made such a big deal about her saying bad things about PK. It's just... It doesn't make sense.

Wendy (14:11.18)
Yeah, I was actually surprised. I didn't watch the latest after show, but I was surprised to see that in Italy, Amanda is in Italy. So I don't know what they're talking about because we're on episode 11 and we still have Amanda.

Kelli (14:26.425)
Yeah, I mean, how many more episodes could there be? She said she didn't leave the show. She said it.

Wendy (14:29.933)
Yeah.

Wendy (14:34.324)
she did?

Kelli (14:34.799)
Right? Yeah, I think she said it. Like I didn't leave. Yeah.

Wendy (14:38.638)
Okay. The next thing we see is Sutton is meeting up with Tilly at the Oceanside Restaurant. And she's sitting there telling her that she was sitting there thinking about when she was there last in 2016 when she had rented a house and that that was her last summer that she spent with Christian. Now that was 10 years ago. And Tilly and her confessional said, listen,

The Sutton I knew 10 years ago was like this picture perfect marriage, family. And after a while, I could see that there was cracks in the marriage. she knew her when she was there with Christian. And I guess now that she's sitting there looking back on it, Sutton is really mourning it all over again. I mean, she's not.

She's been divorced for a while. It's not like it just happened. But the whole thing about the annulment coming and her losing her name and in the Catholic Church she's not recognized, it's just, it's a lot. It's a lot. I feel like she's, you know, she's mourning it all over again. But then to find out that Christian's with her friend, her former friend.

We Wine Whenever (15:56.852)
Yeah, how do you like that, former friend? Yeah.

Kelli (15:58.982)
So, you know I'm not a big fan of Sutton. And I'll tell you what though, after hearing that story, I'm like, have a newfound respect for her because that's horrible what he and that woman did. And for her to not blast him, like what Tilly said, I would go crazy.

Wendy (16:02.583)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (16:12.192)
Mm-hmm.

You're horrible.

Wendy (16:15.575)
Mm-hmm.

Yep.

Wendy (16:26.636)
Rage. Right.

Kelli (16:28.611)
I would write, so would I. And I have a newfound respect for Sutton. That she's not dragging him through the mud. mean, listen, she's, know, financially, she took him, she got him great financially, but that's not the point. She would have that no matter what.

We Wine Whenever (16:28.672)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (16:43.658)
Right. Yeah. Right.

Wendy (16:47.63)
I don't think she's that person. I don't think she's that person.

Kelli (16:49.931)
Exactly. No, she's she's like a good southern girl.

We Wine Whenever (16:51.466)
All right, can we just talk about Jennifer Tilly though? And she cracks me up because I'm looking at, like, did she just bring a statue of a cat? Is it a pocketbook? Is it porcelain pocketbook? Because when she put it on the table, was like thunk. I was like, is she like carrying around a statue of a cat to go with her outfit? Or is this like some kind of weird pocketbook, but it doesn't look like a pocketbook. I was so confused.

Wendy (17:17.452)
It's a pocketbook. I think it was a pocketbook.

We Wine Whenever (17:20.296)
I was confused because it was like no handle. was like it clunked on the table. But she cracks me up.

Kelli (17:27.547)
She is very funny, Tilly.

Wendy (17:28.045)
Nosh.

We Wine Whenever (17:28.992)
She's the best. He's the best.

Wendy (17:32.664)
She is very funny and I'm happy that Sutton has a good friend like her and that she's been a good friend of hers for a long time. So she's known her through the good times and the bad times and she's a good friend that stands by her. The fact that she had to, like she said, like Sutton said in her confessional, that she had to find out from her son. I mean, that's crazy. It's crazy.

We Wine Whenever (17:53.012)
Yeah, that's really douchey. That's douchey.

Kelli (17:54.96)
It's horrible. It's horrible. And who is this woman? I'm sorry. I'm sorry. You don't just fall in love with your friend's husband. It doesn't happen. And I know people who say it did happen. It don't happen. You can control that. Especially when your friend's sick.

But anyway, no, that was horrible. Horrible.

We Wine Whenever (18:16.342)
There you go.

Wendy (18:18.318)
Yeah, I think it was horrible too. You could see that...

That is the big thing with Sutton. When she said, like she said, when she said about the Catholic, she's like, I still want to remain Catholic. And I'm like, well, why, yeah, why can't you? But then she's like, but the church doesn't recognize Sutton Strack. I'd have to be Sutton Brown and be Catholic. I was like, okay. But then I thought to myself, well, then you could get, it is, it really is.

Kelli (18:31.163)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (18:45.189)
Which is such a terrible thing because it wasn't her decision, you know, but I guess she has to agree to it.

We Wine Whenever (18:50.006)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (18:52.142)
That's what I didn't understand because I didn't think she did agree to it because Jennifer said he's very lucky that you agreed to that. But she said that the paperwork arrived. She didn't even know it was happening.

Kelli (19:03.397)
She must have signed off on it though. You both parties, I believe both parties have to agree to that. Cause it gets taken out of the big book.

We Wine Whenever (19:05.311)
Yeah, maybe you do have to sign off.

Yeah.

Wendy (19:13.088)
Yeah, again, I mean, unless there was a big check, there'd be no reason. There'd be no reason for her to sign off on that unless there was a big check involved to her.

Kelli (19:13.499)
There's a big book, we're all in it.

We Wine Whenever (19:16.244)
Not me.

Kelli (19:18.175)
You're not in the picture.

Kelli (19:25.499)
Well, yeah.

Wendy (19:25.6)
Right? Why would you sign off on that? I mean, I get it you don't want to bad mouth him and I get it that you don't want to rage because you're, you know, a classy woman and he's still the father of your children. But you don't have to sign off on it.

We Wine Whenever (19:38.452)
No, but maybe she figured, know what, whatever, whatever he wants to do. Like there comes a point when you're like, whatever. Okay. That's what you want. Then okay. You know what I mean? Just like, go ahead with your bad self.

Wendy (19:48.044)
Yeah, that could be. That could be.

Kelli (19:53.434)
What's the matter with him anyway? Like, you and this bitch, it's that important that you get married in a Catholic church? Like, what's the matter with you? Just go get married on a beach somewhere. You know it's not gonna last anyway. I'm sure she's only marrying you for your money, cause you're a dweeb.

We Wine Whenever (20:01.256)
Maybe it's her maybe it's her gig or something.

Kelli (20:14.447)
This really struck me, this scene. It's really, really struck me. I really just, I have a newfound respect for her.

Wendy (20:15.264)
Boy, it sure did. It sure did.

Wendy (20:25.102)
Okay. Okay, the next thing we see is Erica's talking to her therapist, Dr. Jen Mann, who shows up at the house.

This was hard to watch too. This was, I mean, I like Erica. I've always liked Erica. I know that she's very stoic. She does really come across as tough, but listen, she's been through a lot. She's been through a lot. Her therapist, it is. She doesn't deal with them. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (20:53.982)
I just think that's how she deals with things. just like, she said it herself. I separate, right? I separate myself, my actual self from the situation. and yeah, and you know, she's kind of right. You know, looking on the bright side only works for so long. Like you get to a point when you're like, just the freight trains have to stop.

Kelli (21:06.991)
Well, I'm glad she has a therapist because, you know.

We Wine Whenever (21:23.67)
calming, like I cannot stay on the tracks anymore. And I just kind of wish that her therapist

you know, like the therapist said to her that we all wish that there's going to be this moment in time where there's no new terrible thing happening and, but there is no time like that, which is true. Um, and Erica said, well, you know, just, I just guess I just got to like keep trying to keep it together. And I just wish the therapist would have said, you know what? Sometimes you don't keep it together. Sometimes you just lose your shit.

Like sometimes, and that's okay, because, and that's okay.

Kelli (22:10.863)
Right. And that's OK.

Wendy (22:14.86)
And it is okay. And I totally agree with that. I agree with that. Because, know, Erica starts bringing up like what she wants to talk about, you know, the upcoming trial. The bankruptcy trustees are going after her for $25 million and she has a $10 million tax bill that Tom left for her.

We Wine Whenever (22:16.085)
Yeah.

Kelli (22:16.528)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (22:36.854)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (22:38.667)
And that's a lot. Did you find out anything about the trustees?

We Wine Whenever (22:41.046)
That's a lot.

Kelli (22:44.303)
I did, but I didn't open my computer and it's readily, it's easily available. But basically the trustees are aware of some transactions that were made right prior to the bankruptcy filings. And of course they have to do with Tom Girardi personally and the Girardi Keys trust account. So.

Wendy (22:48.524)
It's not right here. Okay.

We Wine Whenever (23:13.472)
So we'll see.

Kelli (23:14.908)
Yeah, and it's into her personal account. So yeah, that's they look at that. They look at six months prior.

We Wine Whenever (23:23.135)
Right, right, right.

Wendy (23:24.576)
It's into her personal account? No, it's into her personal account or into her Erica Jane?

Kelli (23:24.791)
You're not going to get over on a trustee.

Kelli (23:31.599)
Well yeah, her, you know, it's her account though.

Wendy (23:33.614)
Because that was a business. No, no, it was an LLC. Like, it was a business.

Kelli (23:36.921)
Right, her business had no... Her business wasn't... weren't... Gerardi Keese wasn't representing her in any way. They weren't, you know... I don't believe it was a fiduciary relationship.

Wendy (23:56.001)
No, don't, no, no, no. I don't believe it was either. No, I don't believe it was either. But what I'm saying is I, I thought when this whole thing came out and I could be wrong that one of the things Tom was accused of was, was pay, it was funding her, her career, right? But I don't know that she knew that the Gerardi-Keese law firm was funding her career. Like she thought,

Kelli (24:23.059)
I'm sure she saw deposits from Gerardi Keyes going into her account. They weren't from Tom Gerardi personally, they were from Gerardi Keyes. If you see a deposit into your bank account, you see where it's coming from. If it's coming from a law firm, you're gonna see that it's coming from a law firm. Listen, she's no babe in the woods, let's face it. I like Erica, I hope she doesn't get screwed and all this because obviously Tom was the bad guy here, but.

We Wine Whenever (24:44.938)
Right, right.

Wendy (24:45.942)
No, no.

Wendy (24:52.301)
Yeah.

Kelli (24:52.459)
She's no babe in the woods. You see a deposit from Gerardi Keys worth millions, you know where that money's coming from.

Wendy (24:54.797)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (25:03.904)
So now I wanted to ask you guys this, did you catch this? So Erica is talking to the therapist about her being in a domestic kind of abuse situation. And so she's talking about having to call the police and everything. did you catch, she says, when you are a kid, it's even more shameful and harder.

to call the police. She said.

Wendy (25:35.478)
No, no, no. Her kid is a police. Her son is a police officer. That's what she was talking about. Her son is a police officer where she called the police.

We Wine Whenever (25:45.174)
okay. So she was saying when it comes to her kid, not... Okay, okay. I get it. Okay, I got it. I was thinking she was talking about when she was a kid. I was like, my God, what now? Okay.

Kelli (25:50.213)
When your kid is a policeman, it's even more shameful. Yeah.

Wendy (25:54.784)
Yes, yes, yes.

Wendy (26:01.012)
No, no, no, she was talking about-

Kelli (26:02.549)
I am not in any way, and I really hope nobody comes for me for this, I am not in any way trying to insinuate that she is not being truthful. However, isn't it a little interesting that we never, this never got out? This never got out?

Wendy (26:22.296)
Well, why would it get out? Why would it go out? Yeah. I don't think it would either.

We Wine Whenever (26:22.516)
Well, I don't think it would be something that would get out.

Kelli (26:27.597)
If she had to call the police on somebody, we know when people call them, we know when housewives call the cops.

We Wine Whenever (26:30.256)
Yeah, but-

Kelli (26:36.805)
for anything.

Wendy (26:37.038)
Not always not first of all, I mean I know I definitely think

We Wine Whenever (26:41.768)
And maybe because her son works there, he was the one to keep it kind of like on the down low. Like maybe that kind of, yeah, you know, maybe that.

Kelli (26:45.999)
That's what I was thinking. Maybe because, yes, I was thinking that. Yeah. And again, I'm not insinuating that she's not being truthful at all.

Wendy (26:54.924)
Yeah, don't think, yeah. Yeah, no. I don't think we always, like, I was shocked that there was a 911 call out already about Mary's son, to be honest with you. we don't, it's not, and it shouldn't be out there. It shouldn't be out there. I don't think it should be out there.

We Wine Whenever (27:07.638)
Yeah. I don't think that was necessary at all.

Kelli (27:08.539)
I have to be honest with you.

And I felt this way about 9-11 too. When they released those 911 calls from those poor people who were jumping out of windows at 9-11, I thought that was disgusting. And I think that this is disgusting as well that this has come out with Mary Cosby's son, a 911 call. Horrible.

We Wine Whenever (27:20.222)
It's just, no, it's just not.

We Wine Whenever (27:29.844)
Whom we are praying for daily. And not only are we praying for Mary Cosby, we are praying for every other mother or father who has to go through anything like this because it happens hundreds times a day to hundreds of people and it's all horrible.

Kelli (27:34.347)
absolutely.

Kelli (27:51.993)
Yes. Yeah, may he rest in peace. May he finally be able to rest in peace.

Wendy (27:52.376)
It's horrible. It's horrible.

We Wine Whenever (27:56.599)
and may Mary be able to find some peace one day.

Wendy (27:57.133)
Yeah.

Wendy (28:02.894)
Yeah. Back, I know we just went from Salt Lake City. No, it's good. I know, because I did it actually. I'm the one who did it because we were talking about 911 calls, but that's all right. I mean, listen, I don't, I don't, yeah, I think it could have happened without us ever knowing. And I think that that's okay. I think certain things don't need to be out there.

Kelli (28:08.803)
Yeah, sorry.

We Wine Whenever (28:09.546)
Well, that's what we do.

We Wine Whenever (28:22.826)
Yes.

Kelli (28:24.505)
Okay. Right.

We Wine Whenever (28:26.134)
Yeah, absolutely.

Wendy (28:28.222)
Wendy (28:32.177)
And I did like that, and she actually even said this on the after show. I liked that she said to the therapist, I felt like this was the right time to talk about it. She's like, there's a lot of shame. her therapist said, listen, it's okay. You carrying this shame is what's so heavy for you. It's better that you talk about it. It's better that.

you get it off of you, right? And she even said to her, I'm 100 % positive that you did the right thing, because that's what Erica kept saying on the after show. I hope I did the right thing. Like, I feel like there's gonna be backlash. Maybe I shouldn't have done this. And the after show was filmed, yes, yes, bringing it up on air, bringing it up.

We Wine Whenever (29:04.918)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (29:19.173)
What, bringing it up on air?

We Wine Whenever (29:22.282)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (29:24.379)
I think like every other thing, these housewives have a platform where they can bring attention to situations that some people just don't want to talk about. And it's a good thing she did. She didn't say who it was. She's not doing anything defamatory towards this person. She's just sharing an experience that other women unfortunately experience often. Too much.

Wendy (29:39.662)
She didn't say who it was. Absolutely.

We Wine Whenever (29:50.494)
Right, and like we said, if it can help one person, you've done a great thing.

Kelli (29:54.031)
Yeah, for sure.

Wendy (29:57.77)
Last week when she was talking to Denise, saw online people were giving Erica a lot of back backlash saying, like, why would you bring that up? You took away from Denise's moment, which that's crazy. Like that is crazy. Right. I was like, what is wrong with people? What is wrong with people? Like that is not what happened. That is not what happened. And you could tell by the look, you could tell by the look on Sutton's face when she was sitting there.

We Wine Whenever (30:09.654)
Oh my God. That's crazy town. That's crazy town.

Kelli (30:11.451)
That's very crazy. Uh huh. It is crazy.

Kelli (30:20.761)
No, not at all.

Wendy (30:27.298)
Like, it was like she wasn't even hearing what she was saying because it was, you know, was totally real. She wasn't taking from Denise. She was empathizing with Denise. She was trying to explain to Denise that, listen, you know, I see you as a strong woman. You see me as a strong woman. We all go through this. It's like, we can get through this and we need to talk about it. And yeah. No.

Kelli (30:49.754)
Right.

Kelli (30:53.967)
And it doesn't make you a weak person for not telling your dad. know, like her dad was like, why didn't you tell me? It doesn't mean you're a weak person. You're just trying to one, protect your own peace. if you're, just like she said, if you're not leaving this person to tell someone else what is going on, they're gonna pressure you to leave this person. So if you're not ready, you're not gonna say anything.

Wendy (30:57.036)
Now.

Wendy (31:01.368)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (31:16.15)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Wendy (31:21.026)
Right, Yeah, I still, my heart still breaks for Erica. I think that she has, well, she does. She's got a very, very tough exterior, but you know what? There comes a time, and I mean, I saw it with her sitting on the couch where she was really being vulnerable and she was really breaking down, and that's okay. That is okay. It's okay. Yeah, it is. It is a good thing. It is a good thing.

We Wine Whenever (31:44.502)
It's good thing. It's a good thing.

Kelli (31:50.235)
She's really gotta get some waterproof mascara.

Wendy (31:53.3)
Mm, probably that would help. That really would help. Then we're back in the Hamptons.

We Wine Whenever (31:55.83)
I

Kelli (31:58.844)
I don't see any other housewife crying like that with the black on streaming down their face.

Wendy (32:02.798)
Back at the Hamptons that Rachel's family comes over and they are an hour and seven minutes late and Rachel said that she is the only person in her family that's on time.

We Wine Whenever (32:15.702)
It's on time.

Kelli (32:16.261)
They're on Doreen time.

Wendy (32:18.528)
Yeah, well, yep. Then Kyle said that, you know, she meets Rachel's dad and her mom. And she said that in her confessional, like she's in awe to see people that have both parents still alive. And she wishes that she had, you know, when she started, you know, when her and Mo first separated, she wishes she had her mom or dad or somebody to talk to about it. And she doesn't. And, you know,

We Wine Whenever (32:46.634)
Yep. It is very tough. It is very tough. I mean, I can't tell you how many times a day if I'm somewhere and I see somebody with their mom and I'm like,

Wendy (32:48.93)
She misses it. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (33:01.758)
When you don't have any more, you're like, my God, like, you are so lucky that you're out to lunch with your mom, like.

Kelli (33:08.517)
Yeah, like you probably go to call your mom all the time, right?

Wendy (33:09.197)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (33:10.998)
Oh, oh, yeah, all the time, all the time. I mean, I used to talk to my mother twice a day. So I got that situation when she was talking about that. was like, oh yeah, I know about that.

Wendy (33:23.628)
Yeah, and honestly, I think that there's a lot of people that have that same situation, right? So I can, I'm glad that, again, I'm glad that they talk about real things. This is one of the reasons I really liked this episode, because there was a lot of realness. Everything was real. Everything was real and relatable to somebody in some way, right? Even.

We Wine Whenever (33:27.251)
sure. Yeah.

Kelli (33:37.56)
me too. I totally agree with you. Yep.

We Wine Whenever (33:38.162)
Of real things, yes, of real things. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (33:46.642)
Except for we'll get and we'll get to it is Bose's conversation with her fiancee So we'll get we'll get to that. So But it was it was interesting how you know when Rachel's family was there like they were talking about Her ex and that's got to be a hard situation when your family really likes your ex

Wendy (33:54.124)
Okay, yeah, we will get to that.

Kelli (33:54.274)
Absolutely. Absolutely. Yes ma'am.

We Wine Whenever (34:14.612)
And you can tell that her parents don't want to change how they feel about him, even though they probably should. But that's got to be like a sticky, sticky situation. And Rachel said he was their favorite person. And she said he was also her favorite person until he wasn't.

Wendy (34:37.814)
Yeah, it's definitely unfortunate. I think that she's got a good family though, and I think in the end she's gonna be okay, because she does have her family's support. I do agree with Kyle that it was very rude that Dorit was late to that dinner at Rachel's house to meet her family.

We Wine Whenever (34:46.292)
Mm-hmm. Yep.

We Wine Whenever (34:59.07)
I didn't think they were having dinner though. thought they were just... her family was... with her family? All of them were going to dinner.

Kelli (35:02.821)
They were going to dinner, because she said, no, remember, because she said we have to get ready to go, and Kyle was like, I'm having so much fun, or one of them said, I'm having so much fun, I would love to just stay here and hang, and her mom was like, well then order take-in, or order take-out and we'll eat in. So they were definitely going to eat, and her family wasn't going with them.

We Wine Whenever (35:16.566)
Doreed said that. Doreed said that.

Right, right, Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (35:29.13)
wasn't going with him. So that's why I was, I don't know, I didn't think it was that big of a deal. Like she came down and wasn't like, I don't know.

Kelli (35:37.817)
Yeah.

Wendy (35:37.972)
I don't know. I just thought like, honestly, I...

Kelli (35:41.87)
It's just why does she always have to be late? It's like Lisa Hochstein on Miami. Like why do you always have to be late? Get your shit together. If they say be downstairs at 5.30 because Rachel's parents are coming over, for the love of God, come down at 5.30. It's not that hard. It's not that hard.

Wendy (35:45.582)
That's it.

We Wine Whenever (35:49.984)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (35:58.07)
Right, Yeah, yeah, this is true.

Wendy (35:58.452)
Right. Right. Right. And she just bought all those clothes. She just bought all those clothes.

We Wine Whenever (36:04.724)
Right. She probably couldn't decide what to wear.

Kelli (36:06.245)
Like, just pick something to wear, Dorie. Like, you know, I don't know. You're not the First Lady. You're not Jackie Kennedy. You're not being photographed for, I don't even want to say the name of the magazine because I loathe it, but you know, you're not being photographed for something. You're coming downstairs in the Hamptons to meet Rachel Zoe's parents. Get dressed and get downstairs. It's infuriating.

We Wine Whenever (36:12.23)
I know. Right.

We Wine Whenever (36:26.313)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (36:29.654)
This is Joe.

Wendy (36:31.64)
Yeah, yeah. I honestly find it infuriating too. I find it disrespectful. That's what it is. I just find it disrespectful. Like, your time is the only time that matters. And I know that in her mind, because Lisa had talked about it, in her mind it wasn't being disrespectful. It was just that she wasn't able to manage her time. And I think that Dorit has that same problem. But Lisa hired

Kelli (36:37.967)
very disrespectful.

Kelli (36:43.621)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (36:55.648)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah, time management problem.

Wendy (37:00.846)
hired herself a, what did she say? Like a time management coach and she was getting better at it. And I feel like, I feel like that Dorit needs to do that. I feel like she needs to do that.

Kelli (37:06.777)
Yes, she did.

We Wine Whenever (37:08.544)
Doreen needs to do that.

Kelli (37:13.975)
And I don't think she's going to I think Dorit and Lisa are late for two different reasons. I don't think Lisa has a Superiority complex where I think Dorit does

We Wine Whenever (37:26.548)
Maybe.

Kelli (37:27.993)
Yeah, I think Lisa has small children and you know, she's, Lisa's also dealing with a narcissistic ex-husband or soon to be ex-husband. And I think he's very manipulative and I don't think she's very good at managing her time. I don't think it's so purposeful on Lisa's part where Doree, think she just does not care. Like you said, her time is more important than anyone else's. Well, I guess she has, I guess she has young children too though. I should.

Wendy (37:28.438)
You think so?

Wendy (37:53.462)
Yeah, yeah, that's what I... She does have young children, but listen, I mean, I don't know. Like, I don't...

Kelli (38:01.486)
But even when she was late for the plane to go to the Hamptons, like Kyle said, like, okay, PK was late picking up the kids, but PK was late picking up the kids last night, not this morning. Yeah, that's, yeah.

Wendy (38:11.096)
last night.

Wendy (38:15.158)
Right. then, but then honestly, but like she said, then you show up without the documents you need to travel. Like, honestly, I could see Lisa Hoxtein doing the same thing. Like they're both very similar. But I actually, I honestly, I have a friend that's like that too. And I, yes, it's a friend. I was going to say, do I call them a friend or a quater? No, it's a friend. But I think it's, it's a lot of.

Kelli (38:29.029)
For sure. Right.

Wendy (38:43.276)
ADHD to be quite honest with you. yeah, and it's a time management thing and

We Wine Whenever (38:45.621)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (38:49.59)
I'm not great at it myself, so.

Wendy (38:53.62)
Yeah.

Kelli (38:53.989)
But I don't think that's Dorit's problem. I think Dorit just really does not give one tiny F.

We Wine Whenever (39:02.42)
Maybe not. So what do you think about Bo's and her fiance going out to lunch? Like, I thought it was very, I thought it was a very weird conversation to have in public. And I thought it was a very weird conversation to have in front of your daughter. I was just like, this is just weird. It's weird.

Kelli (39:27.865)
I totally agree with you. I understand her bringing up her not being able to carry a child for him and how he would feel about that. But his response was bizarre.

We Wine Whenever (39:40.298)
Well, in some ways his response made sense because all men are concerned with being able to provide and now you want to have a kid with somebody so you want to be able to provide for them and blah blah blah. But it did, and then it turned weird. After that I was just like.

Kelli (39:57.99)
He's like, like having my own money. Okay, well good, because I'm not looking for a son.

We Wine Whenever (40:00.698)
It was just, the whole thing, yeah, the whole thing was weird. Like I just, I just thought it was a weird, I thought it was a weird conversation for her to have in the first place about that subject in public, on TV and in front of her daughter. It was just odd.

Wendy (40:22.368)
I I agree with you 100%, but I think every time her and Keeley have talked about this, about it's always her saying not so much that she wants to have the baby, it's that she doesn't want to, for him not to have the baby. Which I think is very odd that you're not, like that is not, first of all, at your age with a daughter who is just got her license,

We Wine Whenever (40:39.178)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (40:42.612)
It is odd.

Wendy (40:52.386)
That is not the reason to be having a baby is for him. That is not the reason. That is not the reason to be having a baby. that's too much. That's too much. it, to me, seems, it seems like it's just going to be your demise, to be quite honest with you.

We Wine Whenever (40:55.028)
No, because somebody else wants one. No.

Kelli (40:58.714)
Right.

Right.

We Wine Whenever (41:13.972)
Right, you're setting yourself up for a disaster kind of a deal. Yeah.

Kelli (41:14.138)
Right.

Yeah. First of all, you're putting way too much pressure on yourself.

Wendy (41:18.232)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (41:20.586)
Yes. And that's not what your relationship should be about. At this point in life, at the age that you are, that's your relationship should be what the gig. Right. Yeah, like.

Wendy (41:20.822)
Right, right. And I just feel...

Kelli (41:25.305)
Right.

Wendy (41:25.623)
Right.

Yeah.

Kelli (41:33.145)
And he knew how old you were when you started dating him, and he knew how old your daughter was, and he knew how horrendous your pregnancies were.

We Wine Whenever (41:42.068)
Right, the whole thing's just odd.

Wendy (41:42.446)
Right.

Kelli (41:44.964)
Yeah, yeah.

Wendy (41:46.263)
Yeah, yeah.

I don't know. I hope it works out for them. Whatever's supposed to happen.

We Wine Whenever (41:54.097)
Me too.

Kelli (41:54.364)
I do too because I like I like Keely and I and I it's it does seem like he loves her very much but yeah that

Wendy (42:02.574)
don't know enough about him to like him, to be honest with you. I haven't seen one scene with him where I'm like, my God, this guy is great. Honestly, I haven't. I haven't.

We Wine Whenever (42:10.58)
Right, right.

Kelli (42:12.784)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (42:14.87)
So we'll see.

Wendy (42:14.989)
Have you?

Kelli (42:17.019)
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. You're right. I mean, I hope it works out for her if she's happy, because I like bows, but yeah, it's very awkward between them sometimes. But like when they were talking to the doctor, you know, on the FaceTime and like he seemed very caring in that scene and yeah. We'll put a pin in that one and revisit it.

Wendy (42:18.478)
Okay.

Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (42:28.97)
Yeah, was just, the whole thing was weird.

Wendy (42:29.582)
I think so too.

Wendy (42:40.984)
I don't know.

We Wine Whenever (42:43.444)
Yeah, we'll see. We shall see.

Wendy (42:46.862)
So then Rachel and Kyle and Dorit are in the car. They're on their way out to dinner. And Kyle starts with this story about how when she was on a plane once and she was having this conversation with this guy who was really good looking and he handed her a note and it said, would you like to come stay at the airport with me and shower or would you like to go home and be with your family? And I was like,

We Wine Whenever (43:11.478)
Weirdos.

Kelli (43:15.471)
Did she indicate whether or not she was still married when this happened?

Wendy (43:19.714)
She did not. Well, I mean, she's still married now, but she did not indicate whether or not she was... She did not. She did not, but I mean...

We Wine Whenever (43:20.534)
No, she did not, no.

Right, right.

Kelli (43:24.597)
Right, but like prior to the separation.

We Wine Whenever (43:27.242)
Yeah, she didn't say.

It was odd too.

Wendy (43:33.217)
It really was, right?

We Wine Whenever (43:34.738)
One okay.

Kelli (43:35.013)
Yeah. Yeah. And you know she's flying first class, so it was somebody. It was probably like somebody, you know?

Wendy (43:37.334)
Okay.

We Wine Whenever (43:45.654)
Who knows?

Wendy (43:47.918)
So then Rachel said, today's the- It was weird. I know. And he said it the- Do you want to stay at the airport with me? The hotel airport? Like, not like, do you want to go to the Ritz or let's go to the Four Seasons? Like, do you want to stay at the airport? Like, what?

Kelli (43:48.379)
It's just weird, like do you wanna go take a shower?

Kelli (44:01.361)
Right, right, right. No?

We Wine Whenever (44:04.608)
But I mean, I'm sure it's a VIP lounge, but still, it's...

Kelli (44:09.889)
Yeah. Sweeten the deal a little bit. Like you said, the plaza, you know, four seasons. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (44:13.842)
Yeah, like, stop. This weird. People are weird. So this dude obviously has a, right? This dude obviously has like some kind of shower sex thing going on.

Wendy (44:16.83)
something like yes yeah I don't know

Kelli (44:22.393)
Not the Hampton Inn.

Wendy (44:24.494)
I

Kelli (44:28.197)
That ish. He's a shower guy.

We Wine Whenever (44:33.738)
Yeah, huh? Is this weird? Is this weird?

Wendy (44:36.258)
don't know like and why didn't they ask her what what her response was like we don't know what her response was do me I want to know what her response was I know I feel like there's way more to that so then they're out to dinner and Rachel said today is the craziest anniversary for me it's one year since my whole entire life broke up

Kelli (44:42.329)
Right. Right! She only gave us a little bit of that story.

We Wine Whenever (44:43.414)
I don't know.

We Wine Whenever (44:47.935)
Yeah, I don't know.

Kelli (44:51.451)
for sure.

Wendy (45:03.702)
and Kyle knew the date. She's like, August 3rd. Well, I guess, cause that was the day. she's, yeah. I'm like, wait, how'd she know the day? cause that was the day.

Kelli (45:08.111)
Right, right, right.

We Wine Whenever (45:11.861)
deck.

Wendy (45:15.79)
That's how the anniversary works.

We Wine Whenever (45:17.942)
That's how it works. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (45:18.107)
We're just a bunch of rocket scientists over here.

Wendy (45:23.086)
So she said he was in Aspen and she was here in the Hamptons because she had some things to host and she was just done and

Kyle's like, well, how did you know? What do you mean? She's like, well, whatever happened happened. And they're like, well, how did you come to know what happened? And she's like, did he confess? Did you hear it on the grapevine? And she's like, well, he told me. And now I'm still a little confused as to what is going on in this conversation.

Kelli (46:01.308)
She won't just come out and say he cheated on her. She won't do it.

Wendy (46:06.184)
No, she won't. No, she won't. And then she said, well, I just got back from Brian Atwood's birthday. And I said, before we got on, like, I mean, should we know who Brian Atwood is? I don't know who he is. So I looked him up. He's a famous shoe designer who is very handsome and very handsome. Yeah, he's very handsome. Yes.

We Wine Whenever (46:23.356)
wait one second. Let me get the Google out. Let me get the Google out.

Kelli (46:29.819)
And I'm doing that too. You say handsome, I say what?

We Wine Whenever (46:31.816)
So I'm like, okay, let's see.

Wendy (46:34.358)
Yes, yes, very handsome. And she got home from that night and there was a call. And she said that Roger never lied to her a day in her life. And they're like, well, why did he tell you? Like, did he feel guilty? Like, or did he...

We Wine Whenever (46:52.844)
wait, wait, wait a second. How you doing, Brian? Okay. Okay. Okay. We see you. We see you. Yeah. Maybe nice.

Wendy (46:56.106)
I told you, isn't he handsome?

Kelli (46:56.678)
yeah. yeah, he's good looking.

Wendy (47:00.471)
Right?

Kelli (47:01.691)
Oh yeah. Okay. Now I'm gonna say, is he married? Now I'm looking up.

Wendy (47:03.424)
I told you. Listen to you too, ladies.

We Wine Whenever (47:06.934)
Okay, so wait a second. are we saying that Rachel's always saying that her husband called her on the phone and told her?

Wendy (47:17.42)
Yes, yes, because he was he was an Aspen.

We Wine Whenever (47:21.494)
Yeah, that's, that's weird. But I also think it's very weird that she says they were dating for four years before they got married and she cheated on him after four. That's, you're dating somebody for four years.

Kelli (47:35.707)
She did right before they got engaged. They weren't even engaged after four years.

We Wine Whenever (47:40.542)
Right, but you're dating for somebody for four years and then you cheat. That's kind of, that's kind of not cool.

Kelli (47:47.359)
I listen, I think that, I think that she was coming up.

Wendy (47:54.52)
Well, wait a second, let's back up. Wait, let's back up for a second. She said, then one time I fooled around with this model. Okay, let's just stop right there. So let's go to the definition of fooled around, right? Because this is where, what does that mean? So like you made out with somebody?

Kelli (48:03.353)
Right. Right.

Kelli (48:13.977)
mean anything.

Wendy (48:15.63)
Right. Do you know what I'm saying?

We Wine Whenever (48:16.589)
Okay. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. But let me, me, let me.

Kelli (48:19.885)
Okay, he must be gay, because I Googled is Brian Atwood married, and there are a lot of pictures with him and another man. yeah, Brian Atwood and husband, Dr. Jake Deutsch. Well, listen, he is a handsome man.

We Wine Whenever (48:28.021)
Okay.

We Wine Whenever (48:33.728)
Okay, that's not for us.

Wendy (48:38.094)
Okay, that ship has sailed. I mean, we're all married too, by the way. We are all married. I don't know what we're...

We Wine Whenever (48:39.382)
That's shit. Yeah, that's yeah. Yeah, we're just. We're just thinking about shit, that's all. Sitting around, shoot the shit, thinking about it. Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep.

Kelli (48:39.759)
Yep. He's not interested in us, ladies. He's not interested in us.

I'm

Wendy (48:48.802)
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Kelli (48:50.235)
We just took you people all down the rabbit hole with us

Wendy (48:55.65)
And we're all happily married, the three of us. Yay, no, no. Right, right. At this moment we are, right, right, right.

Kelli (48:56.271)
think that when she... Yeah, yeah, I mean for the most part. No, I'm only kidding.

We Wine Whenever (48:59.54)
Yeah, we have to play basketball. It's 30 years.

Kelli (49:03.451)
Today! Today we're all happily married.

We Wine Whenever (49:08.086)
this moment. But let me put it to you this way. Then let me put it to you this way, You are dating Bill for four years. You're not engaged yet, but you've been dating for four years. And he...

fool's around with somebody. How you taking it? Where are going? How you feeling about that? Like, that's what I'm saying to you. it's not like you're together six months and then something happens. It's for years. Like to me, that's just not good. Like, I know...

Kelli (49:32.527)
Are you getting engaged, are you asking him to marry you the next day?

Kelli (49:51.214)
I can assure you that if that happened between Eric and I, Eric would never have proposed to me the next day. That would have been the end of it. For sure.

We Wine Whenever (50:00.97)
Yeah, I just thought that after four years of dating, that's a telltale sign. That's really, it's not a good.

Wendy (50:03.917)
mean, listen.

Kelli (50:11.503)
Yeah, it's not like six months in where you're like, we don't know where this is going. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Four years, you know. Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (50:13.942)
That's what I'm saying. that's what I'm saying. It's four years. Yeah.

Wendy (50:21.666)
take it different. Listen, I'm thinking...

Wendy (50:27.256)
Bill and I dated seven years before we got married. So, you know.

Kelli (50:32.053)
Nobody fooled around with anybody else in the meantime,

We Wine Whenever (50:34.806)
That's what I'm saying to you.

Wendy (50:35.214)
How do I know? But how do I know? It's seven years, it's a long time. And like she said, like...

Kelli (50:39.589)
But, but God forbid, God forbid, say one of you did. If you went, if you think if after four years you went and told Bill that you fooled around with somebody else, you think he'd put a ring on it the next day?

Wendy (50:44.681)
And what is...

Wendy (50:54.183)
We could ask him.

We Wine Whenever (50:55.53)
Good ask. Good ask. We'll ask.

Kelli (50:55.865)
Let's ask him. I'm gonna answer on behalf of the big guy. He would not.

Wendy (50:57.612)
That's good.

We Wine Whenever (51:05.695)
I don't know.

Wendy (51:07.582)
No, I really don't know. I'm just saying I don't know. She said that they were, you know, he was in New York, he was an investment banker. She was working 20 hours a day on planes all the time. They trusted each other. You know, she made out with a model. She told him about it. She thought, you know what, I'm just going to tell him. Well, that's what I'm saying. What is the definition? That is what I'm, let's, that's right.

Kelli (51:26.811)
don't know if fooled around means made out. think if it, yeah, I think if it were just, now I see, I see with the point of your question. I think if she just made out with him, she would have said, I made out with someone. Fooled around means there was some touching. Maybe you didn't have sex, but it kind of led up to that.

We Wine Whenever (51:29.814)
I don't know. I don't know.

Wendy (51:42.208)
Yeah, but this is what she's saying now. This is what she's, this is what she's saying now, 20 something years later. I don't know what the conversation was. I'm just saying to you, the word fooled around.

We Wine Whenever (51:53.618)
Yeah, yeah.

Kelli (51:53.958)
Right. It's like when I tell Eric I used to hang out with somebody. We don't go into detail. It's different for everybody.

Wendy (51:59.862)
Right. Right. It was like, this is like, like the whole thing with Heather and Captain Jason. What was the word she used? Hang out or with, or like, these are words that they have a lot of meaning, right? So what really happened? Exactly. So I'm just saying, I don't think that that's a deal breaker because I don't really even know what it is.

We Wine Whenever (52:15.36)
Yeah, right. Just words.

Kelli (52:16.73)
Yeah.

It's all semantics.

Wendy (52:28.844)
That's all I'm saying. You two, you two are saying it's a deal breaker. You two are saying it's a deal breaker.

Kelli (52:29.723)
I mean, if it were just a make out, then yeah, no. But even still, mean, a make out, maybe not, but I think fold around indicates that something more happened. I'm not saying she had sex with him. I think there's something in between.

We Wine Whenever (52:42.934)
All I'm saying is if you're dating somebody for four years,

you should know whether it's the real deal or not and I just wouldn't be making out with anybody. Because I've been with you for four years. I'm just saying it's the four year thing for me that I'm like, okay, it just doesn't bode well for your relationship in totality.

Kelli (53:05.904)
Yeah.

Kelli (53:12.439)
Even if you're not engaged for years, should know at this point whether or not you want to be with somebody.

We Wine Whenever (53:14.806)
I'm saying you're four years, you're dating somebody for four years, that's all I'm saying.

Kelli (53:19.459)
Right. Yeah. I get it.

Wendy (53:21.922)
You guys are way more hung up on the four years than I am. That's all I'm saying. It's not a problem.

We Wine Whenever (53:24.768)
I don't know. It's my problem, Wendy. That's I'm saying. That's I'm saying. That's all I'm saying.

Kelli (53:25.955)
I just think at four years you should know if you wanna be with this person or not. Yeah. And if you wanna be with the person, then don't go make out with somebody else. Unless that's the kind of relationship you have.

We Wine Whenever (53:37.174)
That's what I'm saying!

I'm sorry.

Kelli (53:41.817)
like Meredith and Seth that they just don't admit to.

We Wine Whenever (53:46.388)
Maybe.

Wendy (53:47.362)
you

We Wine Whenever (53:51.766)
Who knows?

Wendy (53:51.95)
Boy, this is so interesting, this conversation. We'll have to wait and see what happens. We'll have to see what happens. Yes, yep, yep. So, I mean, that's really where it ends.

Kelli (53:56.252)
We're approaching an hour. We have to wrap it up.

We Wine Whenever (54:04.074)
And listen, how about this? about this? Let's ask our listening audience. What do you think? What do you think?

Kelli (54:10.171)
Good question, good question. Yep, is it a deal breaker for you if your partner fooled around with somebody after four years? Would you propose the day after they confess that to you?

We Wine Whenever (54:16.16)
What is it?

of dating.

Kelli (54:26.576)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (54:28.576)
Do you think it bodes well for someone's future relationship if after four years?

Kelli (54:32.323)
I mean, they were together a very long time. They waited a very long time to have children though, which is very interesting.

We Wine Whenever (54:38.635)
Yeah.

Wendy (54:39.244)
because she said it was great. She said he was a different person. They got along really well. Like they were this like dynamic power couple. So something must have changed. That's what I'm saying. Like I feel like there's always more to these stories than we see. It's not always like this black and white thing. Like these numbers add up to this and this is what it equals. Like this is not how it works. Do you know what I'm saying? I don't know.

Kelli (54:46.895)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (54:55.635)
most definitely. Most definitely.

Kelli (54:57.517)
Absolutely.

We Wine Whenever (55:02.782)
Right. Right. Yeah.

Kelli (55:03.023)
Right. Right. Yeah.

Wendy (55:07.178)
I just like to look into it a little bit deeper. But yes, listeners, let us know what you think. Like, would four years be a deal breaker for you and then you move on? Or maybe that confession made him realize, my god, this is the woman that I love. I better lock this down. I better lock this down.

We Wine Whenever (55:25.012)
Right, I'd better lock it down.

Kelli (55:27.245)
Right, because if I don't, right, because I haven't locked it down yet, which gives her room to be like, well, I don't have a ring on my finger. Yeah, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (55:35.402)
To do the fooling around. Right. Right.

Wendy (55:38.702)
Right, right. So, I don't know. So thank you for watching and listening. Please subscribe, give us five star reviews, and let us know what you think. Is four years too long to fool around?

We Wine Whenever (55:54.036)
Alright, goodnight.

Kelli (55:55.471)
Or do you need some more information before you make that decision? Bye.

Wendy (55:59.074)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (56:03.296)
Bye.

Wendy (56:04.078)
Bye.