RHOBH-Mo Mentum & Emotional Whiplash

Wendy (00:01.152)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever, I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:04.235)
I'm Kelly.

We Wine Whenever (00:05.258)
And I'm Lori. Sorry.

Wendy (00:07.136)
And we are talking about Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, season 15, episode number eight. Do you remember? I didn't get that title. Did you get it?

We Wine Whenever (00:21.142)
I didn't get it either. No, I was confused. was trying to figure it out and nothing was happening. No neurons were firing.

Kelli (00:22.286)
I don't get it either. Yeah.

Wendy (00:24.316)
Okay. Alright.

Kelli (00:29.539)
Ha

Wendy (00:30.056)
Okay. So we don't remember. That's the answer. We don't remember. We pick up where we left off with Amanda reading the definition of accosted because she, you know, just needed to say it.

Kelli (00:35.246)
We don't remember and we can't figure it out.

We Wine Whenever (00:38.09)
Yeah, Zach.

Kelli (00:50.466)
It's never good when you have to bust out like Google to explain to somebody what you're trying to say.

Wendy (00:57.173)
No, it's not.

We Wine Whenever (00:58.006)
I don't think anybody needed the explanation.

Kelli (01:00.608)
Right, because it was all BS.

Wendy (01:01.672)
No. Dorit says, do you think that I approached you aggressively? And she's like, yeah, I do. I don't know if you guys noted this, but Jennifer Tilly literally picked up her chair and moved to the end of the table. I was like, oh, OK.

We Wine Whenever (01:15.5)
Oh yeah, I it was great. thought it was hysterical. Hysterical? Oh yeah.

Kelli (01:20.098)
Because first she was like, speak louder, speak louder, I can't hear you. So then she just took matters into her own hands and was like, I'm just going to move closer.

We Wine Whenever (01:24.972)
Mm-hmm. She was, yeah, she was, she was not, yeah, she was not going to miss what's going on. And did you catch, Bose's friend, Bose's friend, her face? Yeah. Her face. When the man was talking, she was like, it's funny.

Kelli (01:33.304)
Right.

Wendy (01:39.22)
summer? Yeah, I did.

Wendy (01:47.501)
Yeah, it was a little, mean, the fact that there were so many non-Housewives at the table and like this conversation is going on, you know what I mean? Like I thought it was a little odd.

We Wine Whenever (01:53.004)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (01:58.166)
Did you catch Kathy Hilton having a hot flash?

Wendy (02:02.781)
No!

We Wine Whenever (02:02.834)
She was like, she's so funny. She was like, this man in herself. Yeah, she was so cute.

Kelli (02:06.84)
fanning herself? I did notice she was having like a side conversation, I believe, was that Natalie? Was that Rachel's friend Natalie sitting next to her? Yeah, and they were like cracking up. Whatever they were talking about must have been very funny because they were both cracking up.

We Wine Whenever (02:14.472)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (02:15.263)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (02:19.894)
But she must've got hot, because she was like, I was like, look at her, she's just like me. She was like, fanny herself, so funny.

Kelli (02:25.208)
That's a star.

Wendy (02:27.444)
Yeah, so then Dorit said, listen, I felt hurt and disappointed. I thought that you were super sweet when I first met you, and it just took me by surprise that I heard that you were actually talking behind my back. And Amanda's like, I didn't say anything behind your back. did you see the face Sutton made? Like, yeah, you did. And she said, you could have just asked me.

She said, came at with me with pretty strong accusations and aggressions. I didn't, first of all, I didn't think she came at her with strong accusations. She did ask her the question. She did.

Kelli (03:06.478)
She wasn't aggressive at all, Dorit. And quite honestly, when Amanda said, all I did was agree with Kyle, in that conversation between Amanda and Kyle, she did just agree with Kyle. Separately at Kathy's house when she was speaking to Jennifer and Kathy, she had her own opinion. But when she was sitting with Kyle, she did just agree with Kyle.

Wendy (03:18.794)
she did.

Wendy (03:32.062)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (03:32.822)
That was kind of throwing Kyle under the bus a little though. That was definitely like a, yeah.

Kelli (03:35.854)
100%, which I don't know if you want to be doing that as the new girl to Kyle, who's, you know, basically the OG of the show. You might want to tread lightly there.

We Wine Whenever (03:46.55)
But listen, but this is just how the game is played. This is like produced, it's production. It's like one of those moments where you look at it and say, this is not like a reality based on like, this is produced show. Like it was just one of those moments where I was like.

Kelli (03:54.606)
i agree with you

Kelli (04:04.14)
Yeah, but it doesn't seem like Amanda wants to play the game. Amanda wants to be a housewife, but she doesn't wanna get dirty in the sandbox, which then, you know, see yourself out.

We Wine Whenever (04:09.214)
Right. Just want to play the game.

Right, right, right.

Wendy (04:20.382)
Yeah, I mean, I totally agree with that. mean, the fact that, you know, Bo's had to point out to her is that you don't get to tell other people how they can react to what it is you're saying. You don't get to control the conversation. You're like, you're not the boss of everything, you know, of everyone and everything. Right.

We Wine Whenever (04:28.619)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (04:29.059)
Yeah.

Kelli (04:33.238)
or how someone asks you a question. Because honestly, if Dorit really was aggressive, other people would be calling her out for being aggressive. It's not like she's BFFs with everyone in this group. Somebody would be like, no, Dorit, you were wrong. And nobody's saying that.

We Wine Whenever (04:35.724)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (04:44.534)
Right.

Wendy (04:50.664)
Right. So I was surprised Kyle didn't say anything when Amanda did kind of throw her under the bus. But she did say, you know, I want to go go back to, you know, Jennifer Tilley's house. You know, you were really upset and I've never seen you cry like that. And she said you had very strong words about PK that night. And Doreen's like, yeah, well, what were the strong words? And Kyle's like, well, I, you know, I don't remember exactly what they were. And

Dory said, I had strong words about what I was going through, not about him. I mean, she did have strong words about him and it was about what she was going through and she was being emotional and she was being vulnerable and these are her friends. But Kyle, as her friend, was just trying to point out to her, although we're your friends and we support you, you're doing this on camera. Like, this is gonna get back to him and it's not gonna go well, you know?

We Wine Whenever (05:25.141)
Yes.

Kelli (05:38.926)
Absolutely.

Kelli (05:44.174)
Well, no, it's on camera, just like you said.

We Wine Whenever (05:44.566)
But, you know, yeah. But Dorit does have a point, you know, that if Kyle really cared about her, she would have come to her privately and talked to her about, you know, talking negatively about PK and how it could affect her divorce.

Wendy (05:47.487)
Right.

Wendy (05:57.962)
She did.

Kelli (05:58.926)
I was just gonna say, I 100 % think that Kyle would do that.

Wendy (06:02.876)
She did. She said she did. She said, I had a private conversation with you. She did. She 100 %

Kelli (06:05.046)
Yeah, and I believe it.

We Wine Whenever (06:08.288)
But then, right, but then has gone on to mention it on camera multiple times to other people. Right, because Juri's not stopping, right.

Wendy (06:15.188)
Well, she's in the midst of it. Right. And she's in the middle of it. She's, I mean, she's trying to stop it in the middle of it, you know, to make it, to not make it worse. mean, if she, she could sit there silently.

Kelli (06:15.82)
because Dorit's not stopping.

We Wine Whenever (06:30.642)
But then again, if Kyle didn't do that, then we wouldn't have show. So there was that.

Kelli (06:31.01)
Right.

Kelli (06:39.202)
And I understand what Rachel was saying, like, it's hard to take the high road all the time and to not speak how you actually feel and nobody should be judging you and you should be able to be vulnerable in front of your friends and all of that is true. But you're on camera and you're saying very nasty things about the father of your children. Rachel's not even doing that. It's a different situate. Doree is doing that. She's saying.

damaging things about the father of her children that can and probably will come back to bite her in the ass when she goes to divorce court.

Ahem.

Wendy (07:18.302)
bite her in her ass in her children's eyes when they see it. You know? It's just it's not a good look.

Kelli (07:25.122)
I mean, you're basically saying he's an absentee father. That's basically what you're saying.

Wendy (07:28.906)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (07:30.24)
Right. Well, I think it all comes down to the fact that, you know,

We Wine Whenever (07:38.496)
The relationship that Dorit thinks that she has with Kyle is not what it is that she thinks it is. So she, I think she expects something from Kyle that...

Kelli (07:44.27)
anymore.

We Wine Whenever (07:51.55)
It's not making any sense because that's not what Karl's gonna do, because that's not how their friendship is.

Wendy (07:57.748)
Well, think Erica kind of said it best. Dorit expects more from Kyle than she does from anybody else. And she doesn't like the way Kyle's showing up for her. And Kyle, in her mind, is showing up for her as an honest, true friend. It's not that she's not there to hear her and to be there for her. She's just trying to be honest with her. And honestly, I mean,

As hard as it is to hear, that's what I would want from my friend is to be honest with me.

Kelli (08:30.638)
especially if it's gonna affect you financially, your custody situation, you need somebody to be like, listen, I've had to have conversations with someone, like, you know, gotta just, you gotta shut it off. You have to compartmentalize certain things and focus on the big picture.

We Wine Whenever (08:30.7)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (08:36.041)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (08:49.994)
Right, right, right. Speaking of confessional, and Erica's confessional, did you notice her makeup?

Wendy (08:54.037)
Yeah.

Kelli (09:00.246)
No, I didn't.

We Wine Whenever (09:00.652)
You know when I was trying makeup? Oh, she had this really funky eye makeup. It was wild. I liked it. But it was a totally different look. So go back and notice it. It was...

Wendy (09:00.702)
What were we supposed to notice about it? What were we supposed to notice about it?

Kelli (09:10.966)
Okay, now I'm have to pay attention. It wasn't the one with the hat, right? With the latex.

Wendy (09:11.486)
Which outfit was it?

We Wine Whenever (09:17.074)
wasn't the one with the hat. was like, yeah, no, no, no. It was like maybe like a gray outfit and the eye was really smoky, but it was very, you have to look at it. It very interesting. it.

Kelli (09:28.502)
I mean, Erica definitely tried to defuse the situation and Dorit just shut her down. Basically, I think even Sed shut up.

We Wine Whenever (09:32.714)
Yeah, yeah.

Wendy (09:33.535)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (09:35.948)
All right. Well, Dorit really likes a moment too. So.

Kelli (09:41.144)
For sure. For sure.

Wendy (09:45.3)
I mean, and then at one point, and Dorit are kind of going at the table and Kyle says, like, you need to calm down. Like, who are you mad at? Are you mad at me or are you mad at her? And I was like, God. Or are you mad at the situation? And then all of a sudden, really? You're going to go there? Or the same thing that Sutton did at your house? I thought, as soon as she said it, I thought the same thing. I was like,

We Wine Whenever (10:02.88)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (10:09.507)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (10:11.798)
Kinda true though. Kinda true.

Kelli (10:11.896)
The thing is, it's definitely true. And I just think that Kyle needs to, I think that Kyle uses the PK and Dorit situation as a lifeline to Mo. I think that's one of the, not that they don't have their children to talk about, but you know, when you want to keep lines of communication open with someone, you kind of grasp at a lot of things. And I think that this is one of the things she grasps at with him.

We Wine Whenever (10:32.574)
Absolutely.

We Wine Whenever (10:38.672)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (10:41.954)
I think she needs to stop though. Yeah. Because Maurizio is PK's friend. Not that he wasn't Dorit's friend, but he's obviously closer with PK. And Kyle was closer with Dorit. She's putting herself in this situation by even listening to Mo and what he talks about with PK. Just leave it alone.

We Wine Whenever (10:42.156)
Totally agree. Yeah, totally agree.

We Wine Whenever (11:04.457)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Wendy (11:05.844)
Yeah, I agree. She should just say, listen, I don't want to hear it. That's between you two. Just keep me out of it. Yeah, I totally agree. I did like that, you know, and I think it was just out of frustration that Rachel stepped in and, you know, she talked about what she was going through and, you know, like give her a break. Like she was standing up for Dorit, basically, because...

Kelli (11:08.928)
Yeah. Right.

We Wine Whenever (11:09.91)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (11:25.696)
Yeah. Which was nice because nobody else was.

We Wine Whenever (11:25.868)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (11:29.28)
100 % it was. agree. And I think it was the right person to do it because first of all, Dorit wasn't going to listen to anybody else. And it seems to me, like even when Rachel walked in, she, Rachel immediately explained to Dorit. So we talked about this last week. Obviously Dorit and Rachel have had talks about this. So it wasn't a surprise to Dorit. It was just a surprise that it was public that it, that she actually filed, I guess, right? I guess she hadn't filed yet at that point.

Kelli (11:35.895)
Ahem.

We Wine Whenever (11:57.696)
Right. Yeah.

Kelli (11:59.311)
Yeah, and I think that she and Dorit must have had private conversations and she didn't want Dorit to feel like she withheld any information from her because they probably have grown close. They've trauma bonded over this, obviously.

Wendy (12:01.342)
Ahem.

Wendy (12:06.281)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (12:09.854)
Yeah, absolutely. Did you see, did you see Natalie? Yeah, did you see Natalie? Said to Kathy Hilton, this is a good birthday party.

Wendy (12:10.802)
Yes, yes. And I think that's good. You know, so she has somebody.

Wendy (12:21.965)
hahahaha

Kelli (12:24.942)
That's because you're at that end of the table.

We Wine Whenever (12:27.168)
Yeah. She was, was being facetious, but it was really fun.

Wendy (12:27.722)
Yeah.

Wendy (12:31.092)
I also did like that Bo's stuck up for Kyle and she said that she believes that Kyle has her best interest at heart. And that you know that you're assuming the risk to speak about this publicly and you've accepted it. you know, I like that she said that because again, Dorit would hear that coming from Bo's. She wouldn't hear that coming from anybody else.

We Wine Whenever (12:37.004)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (12:46.051)
Yeah.

Kelli (12:49.688)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (12:51.925)
Right, absolutely.

Wendy (12:54.293)
And that's when the whole thing with Amanda came up about setting boundaries. And that's when Bose checked her and said, you're not in charge of other people's responses.

We Wine Whenever (13:08.908)
But it's amazing that Amanda like circled it back to herself. I was thinking, lay low girl, like the claws are out, like don't direct them back to you. That's like a bad move. Like you missed the opportunity because now it got deflected off of you and it went to Kyle, where you threw it, don't grab the ball back. I was like, what are you doing? What are you doing?

Kelli (13:15.449)
Yeah.

Wendy (13:26.271)
Right.

Kelli (13:32.342)
Exactly. Right. Because she wasn't getting any support either. So like you said, I would have let it go.

Wendy (13:41.342)
Yeah, she should have. mean, the fact that she said, in my 40 years of life, I've never left a dinner party crying. I mean, come on.

We Wine Whenever (13:46.83)
lord.

Kelli (13:47.96)
Yeah but Dorit then saying I thought you ran away from a cult.

We Wine Whenever (13:52.332)
But now I will say this so when Bo says here's the thing Amanda you can't be in charge of how people want to respond so that's an adult thing to understand But I think the problem is is that Amanda comes off like the that like super pretty

Wendy (13:52.863)
Yeah.

Kelli (14:10.776)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (14:22.772)
super soft spoken kindergarten teacher. Now, Johnny, that's not how we ask for a toy.

Kelli (14:30.146)
Right. It's not real life.

We Wine Whenever (14:32.972)
Yeah. And I knew that, uh, Bose was getting pissed cause she did that tilt of her head. I was like, Ooh, he's coming.

Kelli (14:42.69)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. mean, even Sutton said how Dorit spoke to Amanda was not bad. And we know they're not in the best place, you know? It just wasn't...

Wendy (14:53.32)
Yes, exactly.

Yeah. They seemed to... Yeah, it wasn't the right... Yeah, it was a big explosion. I mean, they go outside, then Rachel goes out crying, and Boze and Dorit go out there and they're talking to her because she obviously is going through something. And then all of a sudden the cake comes out, the cakes, and Jennifer's like, no, send them back. And Kyle's like, no, I want to get out of here. Bring the cakes back. And honestly, I don't blame her at that point.

Kelli (15:21.101)
Yeah.

Wendy (15:25.512)
literally was probably the worst birthday party ever.

We Wine Whenever (15:28.332)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (15:28.45)
Yeah, it really was.

Wendy (15:30.623)
you

We Wine Whenever (15:30.86)
And there was a scene where Rachel and Sutton were talking. Sutton was right across from Amanda and Rachel was right next to her. And they were talking about Amanda. She was not even there. Not even there. Yeah, you gotta, yeah. They were talking about each other and they were saying, how Dorit talked to her wasn't that bad and blah, blah. Like having this little conversation and Amanda's right there. was like, oh.

Kelli (15:47.427)
Really?

Kelli (16:01.262)
And she said nothing, she just sat there.

We Wine Whenever (16:01.898)
Yeah, totally. She said, nope, she said that. Yeah, but they were talking about her like she wasn't even there.

Wendy (16:09.312)
It's odd.

Kelli (16:10.316)
Yeah, that's really odd.

Wendy (16:12.416)
So we're done with the birthday party. The next thing we see is Dorit's working on writing her book. Then we see Bo's has the t-shirt on with her daughter's picture of her driver's license on. And $110,000 Maserati pulls up for her as a gift with a big bow on it. Nice. Very nice. Amanda's doing Pilates outside. OK.

Kelli (16:18.638)
you

Kelli (16:30.19)
How about that?

We Wine Whenever (16:31.606)
How about that?

Kelli (16:41.006)
and her kids are watching her. I would love one of those Pilate beds machines. Ugh.

Wendy (16:41.024)
Great.

We Wine Whenever (16:45.302)
machine things. Did you see the scene where Rachel and her confession was saying that, you know, she cries in her closet, but at least it's with Chanel and that makes me smile. And I thought to myself, well, we cry in the closet, but to Walmart. imagine how bad that must be, Rachel.

Kelli (16:56.236)
Yes.

Wendy (16:56.446)
Yes.

Kelli (17:00.45)
Yes.

Wendy (17:00.616)
Yes.

Kelli (17:05.494)
Right, right.

Wendy (17:06.046)
Hahaha!

Kelli (17:09.816)
Yeah, express. All my express jeans, hear me cry.

Wendy (17:10.619)
Hahaha!

We Wine Whenever (17:11.934)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, express. Yeah, express to you.

Wendy (17:18.484)
Then we see Kyle pulls up with her friend Jen, who's also her assistant. they're at this, I had no idea where, I didn't realize when they pulled up that this is the venue for her daughter's wedding because.

We Wine Whenever (17:33.004)
was confused. thought I remembered seeing social media posts that it was at the house. At Kyle's house. No? Oh, I don't know. I don't know.

Wendy (17:41.488)
No, no, I definitely knew it wasn't at her house. I mean, I do know that she initially wanted it in Colorado, but like she said there, I guess the logistics of it. mean, just earlier in the season, she said the wedding was 30 days away and they didn't even have the venue.

Kelli (17:56.973)
Yeah, it was like eight weeks and they didn't have the venue yet. So yeah, I would imagine that logistically, you're gonna have a hard time planning something out of state.

Wendy (18:00.21)
Right. Right.

Wendy (18:06.568)
Yes, exactly. And the place that she found kind of had that out of state vibe for sure. I don't know how far it was from Beverly Hills, but it, you know.

We Wine Whenever (18:13.952)
Yeah, it wasn't. It's Topaga Canyon. I don't know how far that is.

Wendy (18:20.542)
Yeah, I don't know either. But again, I love that when Alexia pulls up there, she's talking about that it's less than a month away and that she did a classic paperless invitation. She texted, wedding invitation? When Kyle and her confessional is talking about her sister Kathy, she's like, she's not even going to know what to do. She's not going to get the link for the storyboard to know what this is about.

We Wine Whenever (18:36.268)
Tuxedo.

Kelli (18:38.862)
That's wild.

We Wine Whenever (18:49.643)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (18:49.952)
She might show up in orange. I cannot wait to see what she's wearing. So I guess a storyboard.

Kelli (18:51.882)
What does that mean? What does that mean though?

We Wine Whenever (18:56.608)
What does what mean?

Kelli (18:57.932)
What does a, I thought she said mood board, but okay, what if she shows up in an orange dress? Do you mean you have to wear a certain color to this wedding?

We Wine Whenever (19:06.122)
Well, you know how sometimes when you have a wedding invitation and you can kind of end the venue so you can kind of get an idea of what, you know, what the vibe is and what the, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know how when you...

Wendy (19:11.092)
You get... You get moved.

You

Kelli (19:18.594)
Now I know what you're saying, would it like, she acted like if it would, was like ghastly to think that she would show up in an orange dress. I don't, listen, I will go to anybody's wedding. I'm very happy for everybody. Don't tell me what color to wear though. If you want to tell me that your bridesmaids are wearing a certain color and that we should stay away from that color, I totally respect that. But don't tell me I can't or have to wear something.

We Wine Whenever (19:33.086)
I can't.

Wendy (19:47.444)
Yeah, don't think, I don't think, listen, I don't know what the mood board had on it. I can't wait to see the wedding. Hopefully we get to see. Well.

Kelli (19:55.969)
I hope Cathy did wear an orange dress, because I think Cathy would look very pretty in an orange dress.

We Wine Whenever (19:59.506)
yes, you're good now.

Wendy (20:00.902)
I think she'll, Cathy, know, Cathy's Cathy. She can wear whatever the heck she wants. I think she meant more so, I think she threw out the word orange dress flippantly. I think she meant more of like the mood of the wedding, whatever that mood would be. And again, it's Cathy, it's Cathy Hilton. She can wear whatever she wants and she damn well will. And yeah.

Kelli (20:05.419)
Yes.

Kelli (20:19.758)
She sure can. Right.

We Wine Whenever (20:23.328)
I did not, I was not a fan of the venue.

Kelli (20:30.712)
The alpaca farm.

We Wine Whenever (20:32.298)
Yeah, yeah, and that room that they showed, I was like, whoa.

Kelli (20:37.58)
Listen, I'm sure, this is Kyle and Maurizio's daughter, I'm sure there's being enough money thrown at it, it's going to look amazing. Years ago, when Beverly Hills first came on, LVP's daughter Pandora got married at LVP's house, which was gorgeous anyway, but what they did to her yard for that wedding, it's...

Wendy (21:02.857)
Yes, it was amazing.

We Wine Whenever (21:03.114)
Right, to transform it, right.

Kelli (21:05.45)
It was stunning. So I'm sure that that's what's going to happen here too. You know, we're going to say it. They filmed. So we're going to say it.

Wendy (21:11.422)
Yeah. Yeah, I can't wait. I can't wait to see it, to be honest with you. I can't wait to see it.

Kelli (21:15.864)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (21:17.644)
How about Mo's DJ name? I think it's pretty funny.

Wendy (21:21.216)
First, I, I almost fell over. I had no idea he was DJ. I mean, are him and Kyle Cook hanging out together?

Kelli (21:29.71)
probably, because they're both douches. So, well, that was the whole thing with him in that store, dancing on top of the thing, the platform, and then he was like, wiki, wiki, wiki with the... Wow.

Wendy (21:32.412)
I just can't even.

We Wine Whenever (21:38.784)
Yeah, that dance- no.

We Wine Whenever (21:44.428)
No, no, no, no, no, it's over dude. Meredith's... Listen, Meredith shouldn't be doing it and he shouldn't be doing it. No. No. No. Just let Paris Hilton have it because you're too old. So stop it. Just stop it. Just stop it. That's all I have to say.

Kelli (21:48.535)
Why is DJing all of a sudden like the new, right? It's like the new midlife crisis. Instead of buying a Corvette or a Porsche, you start to DJ. Yes.

Kelli (22:08.716)
Yeah, I feel, I do, I mean, whatever. He could do whatever he wants, but it's very cringe.

Wendy (22:09.465)
yeah.

We Wine Whenever (22:14.282)
Yeah. Yes, very crunch.

Wendy (22:18.654)
I thought it was funny too when they were outside and they were talking about changing the outside venue a little bit for the cocktail or the reception part of it. And Mo's like, well, that's going to really change the budget. And a look on Alexia's face and Kyle's like, do not use that B word in front of my child, like our child. She loses sleep over this. I was just like, what?

Kelli (22:44.75)
Oh my god. I'm sure there's no budget that they have to

We Wine Whenever (22:51.126)
Well, he said six figures, so...

Wendy (22:51.487)
I'm sure there are

Kelli (22:54.402)
I think they're trying to stay at six figures, right?

Wendy (22:55.07)
Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (22:56.532)
Right, right. But even the mention of six figures for wedding is...

Kelli (23:01.856)
I mean, low six figures, sure, I've heard, you know, around here, people have. But exceeding six figures, that's like a whole other world I'll never know.

We Wine Whenever (23:16.682)
Yeah, no. I'll never know a six figure world,

Wendy (23:18.452)
I agree.

Kelli (23:20.782)
Personally, I hope I don't.

Wendy (23:25.792)
Well, then we see Cathy's at her house and Rachel comes over and Cathy's getting her IV drip.

We Wine Whenever (23:34.305)
Yes, her.

Kelli (23:34.424)
I gotta be honest with you, I was so sick this week. I was watching Cathy, I'm like, maybe I should go do that.

We Wine Whenever (23:40.362)
Listen, I want to tell you, have someone that my boss is very good friends with, has a place on wall. We can go anytime we want. Now, Cathy was getting the NAD one, which is really good. Really, really good. No, she got a niagen. So it's a faster acting alternative to traditional NAD and infusions designed to boost cellular energy.

Wendy (23:55.816)
I thought she was getting magnesium.

We Wine Whenever (24:10.22)
levels from approved metabolism cognitive function and anti-aging it probably then she probably got a magnesium shot I think the magnesium shot but the IV was the NAD so Anytime you girls want to go we can go I have a whole menu from them

Kelli (24:28.226)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (24:28.734)
I definitely want to do NAD. I've heard really good things about it.

We Wine Whenever (24:30.744)
most definitely. Yeah. yes, yes, yes, yes. We even, yeah, we even recommend it to our patients because we do foot and ankle surgery. So we even recommend that they go post-surgically for infusions to increase their healing time.

Wendy (24:33.704)
Okay, we're gonna plan an outing.

Kelli (24:36.344)
Yeah.

Kelli (24:51.736)
Yeah, I thought about it as I was watching Kathy get her IV. I'm like, man, I should have went to do that this week.

We Wine Whenever (24:53.386)
You should. Yeah. Absolutely. huh.

Wendy (24:58.474)
And I bet insurance doesn't cover it,

We Wine Whenever (25:00.348)
no, no, no, but it's not really not that bad. Yeah.

Kelli (25:01.154)
Nah.

Wendy (25:02.57)
You've... It's not. I know. Right.

Kelli (25:03.532)
because it's healthy for you and it's holistic. It's natural. Absolutely not.

We Wine Whenever (25:10.7)
Yeah, absolutely.

Wendy (25:13.408)
So with Kathy and Rachel are talking and she said that, know, Kathy's like, was worried about you. And Rachel's like, listen, I was intentionally not being loud about this because I didn't want my children to see it, which I totally understand. know, like once it's out there, it's out there.

Kelli (25:26.392)
Yeah.

Wendy (25:34.238)
She did say that, you know, about Dorit, like whether you agree with her or not about the way she's handling the situation. Like, we just need to be there to support her. And I agree with that. I definitely agree with that.

Kelli (25:46.446)
For sure.

Wendy (25:49.374)
I can't imagine, I feel like, you we find out, know that Dorit and Kyle are gonna have a big blow up and they're still not speaking. And it's gotta be about this. It's got to.

Kelli (25:58.959)
Yeah, because did you see Watch What Happens Live? I didn't watch the whole thing. Who was on it? It was Kaylee Cuoco, which I love because I'm on a Big Bang Theory obsession kick right now. And was it Erika Jean? So Kaylee was like, I hope.

We Wine Whenever (25:59.413)
it's like.

We Wine Whenever (26:07.054)
I watched it.

Wendy (26:09.783)
I saw it. Yeah.

Wendy (26:14.784)
Erica. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (26:19.466)
Yeah, Eric was one.

Kelli (26:25.186)
Kyle and Doreen get back to where they once were and Andy said, like, now it's about to blow, it's about to get lot worse. Yeah. So I didn't watch the whole thing, but I saw that.

Wendy (26:34.131)
Yeah.

Wendy (26:39.826)
Yeah, I saw that too. And it's gotta be really bad if they're still not talking.

Kelli (26:45.228)
Yeah, because didn't Kyle say that when she was on with Paris and Cathy that they're still not speaking?

We Wine Whenever (26:45.237)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (26:49.676)
Mmm.

Wendy (26:49.746)
Yes, but she did say that she thinks that she can, her and Dorit can mend it. So I hope that they can, you know? I hope that after the season plays out. Right, right.

Kelli (26:58.156)
Maybe the reunion, because they didn't film that yet,

Wendy (27:04.544)
then, so then Rachel says that, you know, like what she wants to do with her friends is I think that this is maybe the buildup for them going to the Hamptons is that she wants to hang out and laugh and, you know, just, just have fun times. And I get that. Like who doesn't want to do that? Right. And I think, I mean, I don't know, just based on what we saw when it was happening, I don't think everybody goes to the Hamptons. Right. I think it's a smaller group of people.

Kelli (27:13.164)
Yes.

Kelli (27:21.559)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (27:22.4)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (27:31.382)
I don't know.

Kelli (27:32.558)
I don't know. Well, I mean, the next scene, maybe Bo's doesn't go because, you know, she doesn't get very good news, so maybe she's not going.

Wendy (27:39.218)
Yeah.

Wendy (27:43.956)
That was heartbreaking. That was heartbreaking.

We Wine Whenever (27:45.034)
That was heartbreaking. I felt bad.

Kelli (27:45.346)
That was heartbreaking.

Wendy (27:48.348)
and she did the zoom call with her doctor. They were getting an update on the embryos. She had two eggs. They were both fertilized, which is a good sign. So they turned into embryos, but they didn't go to the next stage, which is the blastocyst. So.

I get it, I mean, get where she's at. Like that's devastating news. And I guess she's gonna try again, because they're still, you know, they still have an appointment to do another round. Yeah, we'll have to wait and see how, I mean, we know now she's not pregnant, like.

We Wine Whenever (28:08.97)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (28:09.581)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (28:21.28)
Yeah, that was tough.

Kelli (28:24.846)
Right. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (28:25.77)
Yeah, I know.

sad.

Wendy (28:30.13)
It is sad. It is sad. Then we see Rachel and Sutton and Dorita talking about Amanda and her opinions about, you know, how Dorita's handling everything with PK. Rachel said, I thought it was pretty ballsy that Amanda, you know, punted it to Kyle instead of owning her part. And she said she, she also said she was surprised that Kyle didn't call her out. And I was too.

Kelli (28:46.446)
you

We Wine Whenever (28:47.51)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (28:57.312)
Well, hello.

Wendy (28:57.728)
I know why it's ringing. I have it on do not disturb. That's interesting. Sorry about that. What else happened?

We Wine Whenever (29:03.296)
I don't know.

Kelli (29:12.3)
Amanda's with Kyle.

We Wine Whenever (29:15.424)
Yes, on a hike.

Wendy (29:15.542)
yes.

We Wine Whenever (29:18.72)
Now did you guys catch that Dorit said, I have protected Kyle for years.

Kelli (29:24.536)
Yes, yes. Why does she keep saying that? What is she talking about?

Wendy (29:26.174)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (29:31.02)
That's what we all wanna know now, don't we?

Kelli (29:34.552)
Yeah.

Wendy (29:35.434)
Do you think that's maybe what the fight's about?

Kelli (29:38.478)
I mean, maybe.

We Wine Whenever (29:38.668)
Maybe, maybe, maybe, you know, maybe the relationship, even if it's a working relationship, maybe Dorit has known things because Mo and PK were friends and maybe she's kept quiet about them for a year. You know what mean? Like maybe Dorit knows a lot of shit and never spewed it. And now Dorit's like, okay, now it's payback time. Like now I, you.

Kelli (29:58.412)
I mean, listen.

We Wine Whenever (30:07.284)
I need you to be on my side because I kept my mouth shut with all the shit that I know. I don't know. That's what I'm thinking.

Kelli (30:14.38)
Yeah, mean listen, obviously things went on in Kyle Maurizio's marriage that Kyle is not saying, which is fine. It's really not our business. However, if Dorie is aware of all of that, you know, I don't know why she would bring it up now, and I don't know why you would say you have been protecting her. Protecting her for what? If you're her friend, then you just hold on to her secrets and stay a trustworthy friend.

You don't use it, you don't threaten it.

We Wine Whenever (30:44.566)
But that's the thing, I don't really think that they're friends, they're coworkers. You know what I mean? So that's how I kind of took that. I kind of took that as like, like I said, to read new stuff, never said anything. And now she's like, okay, now that it's my time, I got something going on, you need to...

Kelli (30:49.208)
Well, obviously, right. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (31:12.896)
come to my side. You need to fall in line because you need to pay me back from all the shit that I didn't spew. So, I don't know.

Kelli (31:13.122)
Just fall in line.

Kelli (31:22.254)
Yeah.

Wendy (31:22.432)
I think that's interesting. I do think that's interesting because...

Wendy (31:28.838)
sudden are you going to put this out there?

We Wine Whenever (31:31.212)
Because maybe she's just losing her shit all over the place and is like, you know, not protecting anybody anymore. She's not protecting Peek anymore. She doesn't want to protect Kyle anymore. She wants to be protected. You know what I mean? Like, I think that's her gig, maybe. Maybe. Yes, she's angry. Yeah.

Kelli (31:46.05)
Definitely not protecting PK anymore.

Wendy (31:49.034)
Well, yeah, she's angry. Kyle does say that. And she does, she comes, she is angry. She comes across as angry and hurt people want to hurt people, right?

We Wine Whenever (31:57.228)
So, yeah, so maybe she wants to be protected. She doesn't want to protect anybody else anymore. Maybe that's her gig. I don't know.

Wendy (32:08.167)
It could be.

Dureed's telling Rachel that all she's ever heard about Amanda is her business. She hasn't heard anything about her past, her upbringing. She's like, I want to know more about the cult. Listen, I get that. You want to get to know somebody. You want to know, but you have to make the effort. Right. And she keeps.

Kelli (32:30.508)
Well, especially if she put it on her website. Like, it's on your website, so let's talk about it.

We Wine Whenever (32:35.574)
So I saw an, go ahead.

Wendy (32:37.822)
She keeps saying every time they bring it up, yeah, I'll talk about it, I'll talk about it. But then she doesn't. Right.

Kelli (32:41.29)
Right, so talk about it.

We Wine Whenever (32:43.052)
But I saw an interview with her on Entertainment Tonight with Amanda and they show a clip, I don't know where it was from, but Erica has asked her opinion about her and she says that she's too young. She said it to her face, she'll say it on the camera. Kathy said she was annoying at first but now she likes her. Let's see.

Amanda says that she thinks Dorit likes to create spectacles. And Amanda says she is an open book and will tell them anything, but instead of asking, they all make assumptions. So her coaching business, she says she has 21,000 students in 108 countries over 15 years. 95 % of her customers are happy with their purchase. And she threw

Bose under the bus saying that Bose tried to create a personal development brand and it did not go well and she's losing money on her courses and the interviewer asked her well do you think she's jealous and Amanda says I think she could look in the mirror about why this really bothers her because she tried to do it.

like.

And she says, you know, read the book. It's only $5.99. And she said a lot of it is based on biblical principles. So she said this was the deal. She went to ministry training school. While she was in ministry training school, she took an internship at a church. She said the church said they would help her with funding her education and that they would make her eventually the church psychologist one day.

Kelli (34:08.29)
Wow.

We Wine Whenever (34:37.714)
So then she says,

We Wine Whenever (34:44.672)
The wall started closing in and the screws turning. Next thing she knows, she was 21, 1,500 miles from home, no education, and working dead-end jobs to try and support the church, just like the rest of the congregation was. I don't think she was in what anybody in the world would call a cult. This sounds to me like...

Kelli (35:09.006)
No, it's probably like a Mary Conn church.

We Wine Whenever (35:13.708)
She was in this ministry training program. She decided to do this internship. They gave her a song and dance about, come do the internship and hopefully we can pay for part of your education and blah, blah, blah. And I think it didn't turn out how she wanted. And she decided, this is a cult, I'm out. It does not sound like anything.

at all like a cult. That's my opinion. And that was coming from what she had to say about

Wendy (35:53.792)
I believe that. I believe that it probably wasn't a cult because who says that?

We Wine Whenever (35:57.171)
Yeah, I don't think so.

Yeah, who's, yeah.

Kelli (36:00.397)
Right. But she literally put that on her website.

We Wine Whenever (36:04.204)
Oh yeah, because she considers it selling feature of herself.

Wendy (36:04.424)
I know.

Kelli (36:06.326)
It's shock factor.

We Wine Whenever (36:12.768)
So then after that, she got, let's see, a bachelor's degree and then a master's degree. I don't know in what.

Wendy (36:23.401)
interesting.

I heard, I don't know if it's true, I heard she doesn't film the whole season. Did anybody else hear that? I guess not. Yeah, I don't know if it's true.

Kelli (36:29.71)
Really?

We Wine Whenever (36:29.982)
I did hear a little rumblings of that, but who knows.

Kelli (36:34.656)
I also heard she stops doing the after show, but I haven't watched any of the after show this season.

Wendy (36:37.908)
Well, she does. She does stop doing the after show. She did. Which does lead me to believe that there's some truth in it. Why would she stop doing the after show? Unless she wasn't on the show anymore.

We Wine Whenever (36:42.348)
you

Kelli (36:42.435)
Okay.

Kelli (36:48.344)
Sure. Right.

We Wine Whenever (36:48.544)
Right. Unless she wasn't on the show anymore.

Wendy (36:52.638)
Because when Katie left, actually, she did the after show by herself, remember? And, yeah.

Kelli (36:59.534)
Right, right. So maybe they gave Amanda that option and she was like, no thanks.

We Wine Whenever (37:04.202)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Wendy (37:06.888)
Yeah, because originally she was with Kyle doing the after show. I also thought it was interesting though, I know that Lori you said that you don't really think that they're friends, they're coworkers. When Erica was on Watch What Happens Live, one of the questions Andy asked her was about friends, like who will you be friends with? Or something along the lines of friends. And every answer Erica gave,

led me to believe that she is genuinely friends with both Kyle and Doree, even though they're not speaking now, because Doree's not speaking to Erica either. It's over this, no, no, yeah, she's not, it's over the same situation. So again, I don't know what it is. It was something that happens.

Kelli (37:44.248)
She's not?

We Wine Whenever (37:48.662)
Hmm.

Kelli (37:49.839)
So I think that when LVP left the show, Kyle and Doreen both had a huge hand in that. So I think that they bonded over that. And I think that they became very fast couple friends. We have our couple friends. And they probably vacationed together as couples and did dinners as couples. And they were couple friends. But now that they're both separated, you know.

Wendy (38:03.221)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (38:07.925)
Right, right.

Kelli (38:19.138)
the boys are still close and they don't necessarily probably have that bond anymore. They probably bonded over their marriages probably because they had similar type marriages. Not that Moe, I mean Moe did travel a lot though because he was opening up branches of the agency all over. I don't know. I think that they were more couple friends than friends friends.

We Wine Whenever (38:26.976)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (38:27.73)
Right, mean that could, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (38:33.644)
Yep.

We Wine Whenever (38:46.06)
then friends, friends, yeah.

Kelli (38:47.374)
Yeah, I didn't realize Doreen and Erica weren't speaking though.

Wendy (38:51.666)
No, they're not. I always thought just from the interaction on camera, I always thought that Erica was closer with Kyle than she was with Dorie. And even based on the fact that Kyle knew about the boyfriend and Dorie didn't know about the boyfriend, that was another question Andy asked. Like, know, who does a boyfriend like better? And she's like, none of them have met him. They're not meeting him.

Kelli (39:00.3)
Yeah, I would have too.

Kelli (39:09.155)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (39:17.708)
You're making smart girl air.

Kelli (39:19.042)
Right, so how close of friends are you with these people if they haven't met the man that you've been dating for quite a while now? I mean, I'm sure Kathy Hilton had her Christmas party and didn't Erica go, did she not bring him? Maybe she didn't go.

We Wine Whenever (39:25.74)
That's what I'm saying.

Wendy (39:32.084)
Well, listen, if you don't want him to be on camera, you're not going to bring him. If you don't want him to be on camera.

Kelli (39:37.336)
Well that's not film though. Right.

We Wine Whenever (39:38.59)
or if he does not want to be on.

Wendy (39:40.998)
Right! Well that's it! I mean it's his life, like he doesn't have to, he didn't sign up for this.

We Wine Whenever (39:42.761)
All right.

Kelli (39:44.63)
Yeah. Right. That's what I mean though. So if they didn't meet him, then they're not hanging out off camera. So are you friends or are you coworkers?

We Wine Whenever (39:56.3)
That's what I'm saying.

Wendy (39:56.756)
Well, I don't know though, but because I don't know really the, I don't know even where he lives. Right? Like she met him when she was in London. Well, as I'm saying, he may not be around all the time. Like she met him in London. Like she, don't know where he lives. Like I don't know the nature of how often he's around and.

We Wine Whenever (40:03.948)
I don't know.

Kelli (40:05.09)
Well, he's got to be in Beverly Hills at some point.

We Wine Whenever (40:19.84)
right? I don't know.

Wendy (40:22.112)
I don't know.

Kelli (40:23.042)
Yeah.

Wendy (40:24.776)
I don't know.

We Wine Whenever (40:25.9)
But I have a feeling that Kyle and Maurizio aren't getting divorced because of the whole, I think there's a big money situation there. I think there's a lot tied up with property and mortgages and that's.

Kelli (40:37.806)
for sure.

Wendy (40:39.422)
Yeah, we've always said that. Yeah, that's always...

Kelli (40:43.502)
Yeah, because they didn't have, it's not like one of them had more than the other when they got together. They hustled together to get this, to get to where they are. So it truly is a 50-50 split. And there's a lot going on here.

We Wine Whenever (40:48.481)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (40:52.693)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (40:56.042)
Yeah. And I think that there's, I think there's a lot going on there. Cause I think like, you know, like he sold a percentage of the business in order to expand. And you know, I think that there's just a lot of money out.

Wendy (41:16.638)
Yeah, there's definitely more to it than they're showing us. We will definitely see. Dorit, while she's talking to Kyle, she says, I thought this was interesting, mean, Amanda, when she's talking to Kyle said, Kyle says to her, you're not seeing the best version of Dorit right now. And Amanda said, well, her...

We Wine Whenever (41:20.3)
So we shall see.

Wendy (41:41.628)
Her opinion is she thinks she's just being open and honest and that this is the best version of herself. And at the same time, Dorit is saying in the conversation with Rachel and Sutton, I just need to be open and honest. I need people that are gonna support me no matter what I have to say. And I'm like, so Amanda does know what's going on.

Like she does know what's going on. feel like she's just, they are kind of like pushing the buttons. You know?

Kelli (42:14.274)
Yeah.

Wendy (42:19.412)
I don't know. We'll have to wait and see what happens. I did want to add, I just read today that Mary Cosby's son was released from jail this week. On the 4th. Yes.

We Wine Whenever (42:29.22)
Wessie. I pray for him. I hope he does okay.

Kelli (42:30.178)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he needs a lot of prayers.

Wendy (42:33.702)
He said it was a blessing. He said it was a blessing, him being in jail. He was, you know, two months in jail. He said that he, he didn't move on. He didn't, he didn't move on from his divorce, but now he has, like he couldn't accept that that relationship was over, but now, you know, it's official. The divorce is official and he's knows that it's over. So hopefully he continues on his, his, his journey of sobriety and you know.

We Wine Whenever (43:02.655)
hopefully.

Wendy (43:04.094)
Yeah.

Kelli (43:04.972)
it would probably be wise to get him out of, you know, they say change people, places, things. I mean, obviously get him into some kind of program, but in another state or, you know, I don't know.

We Wine Whenever (43:10.55)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (43:18.218)
Well, part of his release is, think he's got two years probation. He's got maybe 100 hours of community service. He has to be involved in a recovery addiction. Like he has to, he has certain things he has to do, which is good. That will help him, you know, be accountable.

Kelli (43:30.83)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (43:31.904)
Right.

Kelli (43:35.18)
Yeah, yeah. Sure. Did you see the video that surfaced of Lynn Curtin's younger daughter?

We Wine Whenever (43:35.448)
yeah.

Wendy (43:43.454)
I did not.

Kelli (43:44.563)
it's, I'll tell you what, I had to turn it off, because it was really heartbreaking. Apparently some reporter was like somewhere, where like there's homeless people, I think. I don't know. She was basically interviewing addicts. And Lynn Curtin's daughter happened to be one of the people she interviewed.

And she says, she's like, I don't wanna say who my mom is. I guess she told the woman off camera. And of course the woman asks her on camera, who's your mom again? Yeah, and the poor girl was like, I don't really wanna say. But she said that she doesn't speak to her parents. They cut her off. Maybe if she gets sober, they'll speak to her again. And then she asked her about her sister and she's like, well she was the good one. They love her. It's just very heartbreaking to.

We Wine Whenever (44:14.794)
Of course.

Kelli (44:37.656)
to watch and listen to, so I pray for her too. For sure I pray for her because, yeah, was sad to see. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (44:46.092)
That's sad.

Wendy (44:49.136)
I also saw that Andy was excited about the Real Housewives of New York going to E. He said I could never wish bad on them. They're the OGs. And he thinks it's going to do great, which I was glad that he took the high road and said that. And I think he means it, to be quite honest with you. I think he means it. I mean, they are good TV.

Kelli (45:06.998)
Yeah, of course. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (45:12.108)
Are they affiliated in any way?

Wendy (45:14.592)
They're not actually, E used to be owned by Universal, but they're no longer owned by Universal. it's a, they are totally separate now. They are totally separate. But again, you know what? That's the beauty of this world that we live in. If something doesn't work here, you go take it over here, right?

Kelli (45:20.153)
they're not. So they're totally separate.

We Wine Whenever (45:21.9)
So it is totally.

Kelli (45:24.802)
Okay.

Kelli (45:30.424)
Yep.

Kelli (45:34.104)
There's so many streaming. I mean, there's so many options.

We Wine Whenever (45:38.336)
Yes.

Wendy (45:39.678)
I mean, the fact that we can sit in our basements here and put out content on YouTube and a podcast, like, you can do whatever you want. Like, that's the beauty of this world that we live in, right? So until next time, listen, please subscribe, go over to YouTube and subscribe. Give us five star reviews and tell your friends. Bye.

Kelli (45:43.787)
Exactly.

Kelli (45:47.968)
You really can do whatever you want. Yeah. Yep.

We Wine Whenever (45:49.92)
Yep, yep.

Kelli (46:02.04)
Bye.

We Wine Whenever (46:03.116)
Bye.