RHOBH-Luxury Villas & Lingering Drama – RHOBH Heads to Tuscany

Wendy (00:01.335)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever, I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:04.896)
I'm Kelly.

We Wine Whenever (00:05.992)
and I'm Lori.

Wendy (00:08.055)
We are talking about Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, season 15, episode number 12, Arrivederci, Beverly Hills. Okay. Yep.

We Wine Whenever (00:17.341)
I like it. I like the name.

Kelli (00:21.196)
I think it's close to the end, right, of the season?

Wendy (00:24.951)
I don't think so. No, I don't think they end in Italy.

Kelli (00:26.764)
I think they don't end in Italy. I thought they ended in Italy.

seems to be Bravo's formula lately ending on a trip.

Wendy (00:36.597)
Yeah, I guess we'll have to wait and see.

We Wine Whenever (00:39.559)
All I can say is, I can't wait to go back there. Cause yeah, that is very nice. I liked it, but that was a long time ago. So who knows what did, but it's still, it's still gotta be beautiful.

Wendy (00:44.737)
to Italy.

Kelli (00:58.71)
I would love to see Italy. I have no desire to leave this country though. I'd love to see Italy and Greece, but I don't.

Wendy (01:02.842)
I want to go to Italy.

We Wine Whenever (01:03.049)
Mmm.

Kelli (01:07.938)
I don't know. That's just me.

Wendy (01:12.151)
All right, so we start out with Rachel and she's at home with her son, Sky. He was in France and he brought her back a gift from France and he brought her back at Hermes Bangle for $400.

We Wine Whenever (01:26.616)
Yeah, he must have had quite the pocket change there, spending money.

Kelli (01:30.648)
Now who was he with on that trip?

Wendy (01:33.621)
I think his father, but maybe not.

Kelli (01:35.534)
That's what I'm saying, like did his father buy that for him to give to Rachel or did he have his own money and he was like, oh, let me drop 400 for Hyundai on my mom.

Wendy (01:40.235)
Well.

Yeah, mean he's 14 years old, so he could have his own money, you know?

We Wine Whenever (01:50.399)
That's a lot of his own money.

Kelli (01:53.238)
I know.

Wendy (01:53.429)
Yeah, yeah. The next we see Erica's getting some sort of facial treatment.

We Wine Whenever (01:59.697)
Okay, so.

Kelli (02:00.194)
I know, she said it was shapewear for her face. What was she doing?

We Wine Whenever (02:02.783)
I'm going to tell you because I am interested in all these goings on of beauty products because if I was really wealthy, that's something that I would spend money on. My fasheem. Okay, so the Beauty Sandwich is a signature non-invasive facial treatment skincare line by celebrity Anis... How do you say that? Yeah, you go.

Wendy (02:02.999)
Yeah.

Okay, please do.

Kelli (02:05.933)
Good.

Kelli (02:18.102)
Absolutely.

Wendy (02:29.727)
Esthetician?

We Wine Whenever (02:31.737)
Ivan Pole, known as a secret, snatched looks behind A-listers like Kim Kardashian, Selma Hayek, and Sabrina Carpenter. Focuses on sculpting, lifting the face without needles or downtime. Okay, multi-layer approach using radio frequency and infrared light technology. Let's see.

It's supposed to sharpen cheekbones, lift jaws, define jawline in 20 to 25 days.

Wendy (03:09.399)
20 to 25 days? You do it once? You do it once?

We Wine Whenever (03:11.313)
Yeah, over 20, 25 days. I don't know. I'm looking. It stacks different types of radio frequency to target. Blah, blah, blah.

Kelli (03:22.872)
So it's like a, it's like one of these things where it's like, like almost like a tens unit.

We Wine Whenever (03:31.001)
Yeah, let's see. Generally starts at $850. The Tour de France treatment starts at $1400.

Yeah, so that's.

Wendy (03:43.937)
But it's one treatment and it takes 22 days to work.

We Wine Whenever (03:47.237)
I don't know if it's one treatment. It says, process is designed to sharpen cheekbones, lift jaws, and define jawline, often producing immediate results that improve over 20 to 25 days. Let's see if I can find out how many treatments you would need, and we could keep talking, and then I will look for it.

Kelli (04:06.626)
What's it called?

We Wine Whenever (04:08.092)
The beauty sandwich.

Just kind of, that's a very weird name, I'm sorry.

Wendy (04:12.129)
Beauty Stimp.

Wendy (04:16.279)
All right, so then next we see Sutton is talking to her dog and trying to operate her TV, which I always find it funny when Sutton talks to her dog. Doreen.

We Wine Whenever (04:26.993)
And she has a... she has a... like four cats.

Wendy (04:33.087)
Yeah, she said that, right? Two dogs and four cats, right?

Kelli (04:36.236)
Yeah, she's like, She's like, What's... What is wrong with me? Ace Ventura over there.

We Wine Whenever (04:46.015)
Yeah, with the cat. All right. So wait a second. So as five treatments and, uh, once the initial phase is complete sessions are recommended every three to four weeks. So it's a lot of sessions at eight 50. Yeah.

Wendy (05:03.347)
a session. Okay, yeah, that's kind of pricey.

Wendy (05:09.911)
Dory is icing champagne and rose and because Bose is coming over and she gives her a choice and she picks the rose and

Kelli (05:11.138)
Now I just.

We Wine Whenever (05:19.485)
I like that kind of friend. I think I could come over to Dureed's. I like that. It's on ice. It's ready to go. I like it. You get a choice.

Wendy (05:23.755)
Yeah.

Yes, there you go. And Dorit said the rosé is reminding her of the Hamptons because that's what she was drinking there and she hasn't had that much fun in a very long time. And you could see, we could see she was having a great time.

Kelli (05:42.025)
yeah, I loved watching Dory and Kyle in the Hamptons.

Wendy (05:47.286)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (05:47.903)
So what's the gig? So they had to be at the airport at 5 a.m. but she had a 2 a.m. glam appointment? Good lord. I'm jumping around? I'm jumping too much for you? Hoppity hoppity hop? Okay. Yeah, is almost Easter. Okay.

Kelli (05:57.102)
That's a little extra, man.

Wendy (05:57.239)
Okay, you were jumping around. were jumping around. Yeah, well, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, we'll get there, but yes, you did. I mean.

Kelli (06:05.326)
I mean it is almost Easter

Wendy (06:11.423)
I mean, why, yeah, why do you even get glam if you're going on a plane? Like, why?

Kelli (06:16.546)
That's so extra, so extra.

We Wine Whenever (06:18.751)
Yeah. I mean, I get it if you want to get up early, curl your hair, put a face on. Go ahead. You could do it. I don't think it's anything that requires professional assistance.

Kelli (06:26.07)
Yeah, but you know

Exactly. Exactly.

Wendy (06:30.451)
No. No.

We Wine Whenever (06:32.035)
Maybe our age? Yes, maybe that would require professional assistance. Doreen's age? You should be good still.

Kelli (06:37.094)
I mean really if you're taking a if you're taking a flight across the country to go to a beach town It's not like you're getting off the plane and you have to go to an event You're getting off the plane and you're going to Rachel's friend's house Have your glam squad meet you there

We Wine Whenever (06:50.888)
No

Wendy (06:54.551)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (06:58.335)
Oh, Bose. It was in a Bose friend's house, right? Are we talking about? it? Oh, that was the Rachel trip. That's Rachel trip. Oh, okay. Yeah, come on. Isn't that crazy? Yeah, that's just crazy. It's crazy.

Wendy (07:02.751)
No, Rachel's. No, no, no, we're not talking about, we're talking about the Rachel's the Hamptons trip, the Hamptons trip.

Kelli (07:02.976)
No, the Hamptons was Rachel's friend.

Kelli (07:09.283)
Right? She got glam for the Hamptons at 2 a.m. Extra. So extra.

Wendy (07:12.087)
Yes, yes. Yeah, we found that out. Yeah, we found that out later. So then the next thing we see is Kyle's ordering her drink and she's meeting up with Amanda. I wrote down their drinks because I just think it's, first of all, think Amanda's drink orders are always very interesting. So Kyle got oat milk. Yeah, well, she's very specific. I mean, she's a woman who knows what she wants. Let's just put it that way. She knows exactly what she wants. There was no, you know,

Kelli (07:30.19)
It's obnoxious. Her drink orders are obnoxious.

We Wine Whenever (07:41.3)
Killy.

Wendy (07:42.529)
She knew, she knew what she wanted. Kyle...

Kelli (07:43.5)
I would never hang out with this girl in a million years. couldn't pay me.

Wendy (07:50.099)
I would hang out with her. Okay. So Kyle was getting an oat milk vanilla latte and a brown butter cinnamon banana bread. Now that sounded good. Right? And then Amanda was getting a creamy collagen latte, half almond, half oat milk, no sugar-free vanilla. So she's obviously ordered this before. She knows exactly what she wants. I don't know what a creamy collagen latte is though, do you?

Kelli (07:52.823)
Ugh.

We Wine Whenever (07:59.891)
No, that's the ticket. That is the ticket. Yes, yes.

We Wine Whenever (08:14.952)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (08:19.529)
Well, I drink collagen. I put it in when I do my, like, shakes.

Wendy (08:23.969)
And what does it do?

Kelli (08:24.056)
They probably just add collagen into the shake, into the latte.

We Wine Whenever (08:26.555)
Yeah, you just add, they're like, they're like adding some powder to collagen. Yeah.

Kelli (08:30.456)
Good for your skin. Yeah.

Wendy (08:30.871)
Okay. Okay. It's like the collagen in our face.

We Wine Whenever (08:36.249)
Yeah, but it's for your body. So it's like a powdered collagen probably that they put in. Yeah.

Wendy (08:41.047)
Okay, so Amanda says that she's not, when she sits there, she's like not really a morning person, but she had a facial, this is at 7 a.m. in the morning, 7 in the morning. And she probably gets like three a month. Three?

We Wine Whenever (08:56.595)
That's awesome for her. I'd be so happy to get three faces a month. I'd be in heaven.

Kelli (08:58.942)
if I could, I would. I love facials.

Wendy (09:01.375)
And I hate, I do not like, I do not, strongly dislike facials. I don't like them. I don't like them. I know, I think it's interesting that you guys like them. I don't like them.

We Wine Whenever (09:06.323)
Really?

Kelli (09:06.958)
That's so interesting. love them.

Kelli (09:12.322)
Yeah, just, I feel like my face glows afterwards. Right?

We Wine Whenever (09:15.935)
Oh yeah, yeah. Oh yeah, yeah.

Wendy (09:20.981)
I don't know, I've never had one that I said.

Kelli (09:21.55)
I would definitely do it. This does not annoy me about Amanda. If she were willing to pay for my three facials a month, then I would hang out with her.

Wendy (09:26.43)
Okay.

Wendy (09:33.025)
Well, Kyle in her confessional says she's never in her life known anyone that got three facials a month. And I would say that Kyle knows some pretty over the top people. So that kind of surprises me, right?

We Wine Whenever (09:40.403)
Well.

Kelli (09:40.545)
She does now.

We Wine Whenever (09:43.891)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kelli (09:45.688)
she does now, she could check that off her list.

We Wine Whenever (09:50.815)
You know what? That's not even true because I'm telling you what right now. I know Paris Hilton does and she knows Paris Hilton.

Kelli (09:57.657)
Well, I mean, listen.

Wendy (09:57.951)
You think Paris Hilton's get- she's young!

We Wine Whenever (10:00.561)
Yeah, she does. You know what? Paris Hilton has a whole big, room with all kinds of goings on for beauty stuff. She just goes down to her room and she has her own stuff, but she gets stuff done all the time. she loves stuff like that. Yeah. So she knows Paris. So she does know something. hell yeah.

Kelli (10:12.686)
She has her own line now.

Wendy (10:20.969)
So Cathy probably does it too. Who are we kidding? Cathy has her own stuff too.

Kelli (10:23.317)
Sure.

Wendy (10:26.625)
So over at Dorit's house, Boze and Dorit are talking about the Hamptons trip and she's telling, Boze is telling Dorit what Kyle had said, that you know, she's buying things, her mood is kind of erratic, I don't know what's going on with her. And Boze said that she wanted to go over and see Dorit in person, because she wanted to see if this was true, if she was seeing the same thing.

This is my thought on this. I if you're seeing her at her house when she's expecting you, you're not going to see the same thing that Kyle is seeing when she's traveling with her. You know, like, it's not really, I don't know. I mean, I get that she wanted to see her friend and talk to her friend, but I don't think that you're going to get it from that.

Kelli (11:06.712)
Sure.

We Wine Whenever (11:15.966)
Right.

Kelli (11:19.458)
And here's the other thing.

We Wine Whenever (11:19.731)
Well, it's probably...

Wendy (11:22.411)
Go ahead.

Kelli (11:23.402)
Kyle has known Dorit for a very long time, much longer than Boz has. However, Kyle has not known Dorit going through a nasty divorce. So you can say this isn't the Dorit I know. No, it's not the Dorit you know, because now she's dealing with a manipulative, narcissistic man who's gaslighting her every chance he gets. She's trying to send her kids to stay with her parents and he's,

Wendy (11:47.201)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (11:53.155)
basically pretending like he's gonna go and he never went, right? Like that's all gaslighting what he's doing. So yeah, you've known Dorita a long time, but you've never known her under these conditions. And they're really terrible conditions that would stress anybody out.

Wendy (11:58.263)
Right, right.

We Wine Whenever (12:10.975)
Right. So I kind of like, kind of see where Kyle's coming from, but I kind of think that she likes to paint things kind of in her own light. So you have somebody who's probably a little ADHD ish, stressed out, is very focused on her appearance. And I think for Dorit that that's something that she is a kind of shield for her.

So she's not on time. So I think that's the kind of person she is already. Then you add the divorce thing. So she's late. She doesn't have all her shit together. She's messing up her passport or her real ID. She's taking herself out of her environment. So maybe she's out there on the Hamptons like woohoo, know, she's buying shit. She's

And to Kyle, this is all. Where's the?

regular housewife, Dorit, that kind of covered up for PK, put the kids first, maybe necessarily didn't. You know what I mean? So I think that that's...

Kelli (13:19.021)
reserved.

Kelli (13:28.802)
Yeah, if you were going through this divorce though, and your friend was like, I'm gonna take you to the Hamptons for the weekend, wouldn't you wile out? I would wile out. I mean, you wouldn't, you would not see me without a drink in my hand. I would take advantage of every minute of that trip. The bottom line is, yeah, for sure, and good for her for doing it.

We Wine Whenever (13:40.04)
I'll be wilding out. I'll be wilding out. Absolutely.

Wendy (13:41.992)
yeah!

We Wine Whenever (13:46.365)
Right. I'd be up all night. No, thing. The whole thing.

We Wine Whenever (13:53.033)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (13:53.461)
Yes, and I think that she did.

Kelli (13:58.381)
Kyle should never have said what she said to Boz on camera, on national television. P.K. can use all of this against Dorit in the divorce now. And Kyle knows that. So I don't know if, I mean, I guess Kyle's concerned about her, but why would you say all of this on TV? Dorit never did any of that to Kyle. And Kyle's kids are grown.

Dorit could have said anything about Kyle she wanted to when they got separated. This is really bad that Kyle did this on TV.

We Wine Whenever (14:41.693)
Wendy's not thinking so.

Kelli (14:42.036)
And I think that that's what Dorit is so upset about and I don't blame her.

Wendy (14:43.775)
Yeah

You know.

We Wine Whenever (14:48.915)
Wendy's not seeing it.

Wendy (14:49.825)
This, I don't see it one because yeah, you can say that PK can use it, but Kyle's just a friend. It's not like she's an expert. It's not like she's gonna be an expert witness. You know?

Kelli (14:59.67)
No, it's character, it's character reference. And she's talking to other people about it. They're in the public eye, they can use whatever they want. They're public figures. Their lawyers can use whatever they want. Just like Dorit saying that PK was a full-blown alcoholic. He didn't like that.

Wendy (15:05.919)
Yeah, but you can't use...

We Wine Whenever (15:22.313)
Yeah, that wasn't... No, it's not brilliant either.

Kelli (15:26.496)
And Kyle saying her behavior is erratic, like not nice things to be saying on national television.

Wendy (15:27.031)
No.

We Wine Whenever (15:34.173)
And did you see in Dorit's confessional? says, Kyle warned her of what PK would do to retaliate. But I don't know. that again, that's one of those weird things. Like, is that how maybe Dorit really saw that conversation? But maybe the conversation was Kyle saying, you know, don't give PK any ammo by talking about him.

having a drinking problem. You know what I mean? Like there's just ways that things are interpreted. Again, the thing with Kyle, maybe to Kyle's defense, maybe Kyle's like, well, you know, I was really concerned about her, but like you said, and it's a TV show, so who knows? It's annoying.

Kelli (16:05.868)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (16:22.551)
I really think she was concerned about her. And I do like that Boz said to Dorit that, you know, if you two had the trick, because the reason, and Kyle said this, and she said it over and over again, the reason she didn't bring this conversation to Dorit is because Dorit doesn't hear her. And she was bringing it to Boz because she feels like she listens to Boz. Kyle said this over and over again. I can say one thing to Dorit and Boz or somebody else can say the exact same thing and Dorit receives it differently.

We Wine Whenever (16:49.491)
Which is true. True.

Kelli (16:51.666)
I get that.

Wendy (16:52.456)
And Bo's pointed that out to her and she said, like, I wouldn't have to, you know, she wouldn't have had to come to me. And Dorit said, do you really think she's worried? Because Dorit doesn't. And Bo said, yes, I do think she's worried. And I think that...

Kelli (17:05.954)
I think if she did it off camera, it would have meant more.

Wendy (17:10.313)
Well, what Dorit said is, you know, it's all about, it's all about, cause now Dorit is saying like, you know, she came to me and sat on the bed with me and held my hand and said, you know, I, you know, and looked me in the eye. okay, Dorit. Like, I mean, come on. Like, is this what you do with your friends? Do you go sit on the bed and hold their hand? These were her words. And then maybe I would have received it. I don't think she would have. She's saying that now.

Kelli (17:31.276)
Yeah, no.

Wendy (17:36.341)
because of the way it came to her, but I don't think she would have. really don't. I don't. But then when she...

We Wine Whenever (17:44.315)
Listen, without Kyle doing that, there's no show.

Kelli (17:49.327)
Right, listen, and I get that, I get that they're on a show, but she really is going through a divorce, and she really does have small children. Like, this is where I feel like people cross the line sometimes. Like, yeah, for sure, you're on a reality show, you gotta make good TV, there's that pressure, I get it. But the wellbeing of her children could be at stake.

We Wine Whenever (17:55.859)
This is true. This is true.

Kelli (18:16.844)
Because this guy, I really think PK is a grade A douche bag. And I think that he will 100 % try to stick it to her. Although he'd be screwing himself because he's clearly not a 24 hour, seven day week dad. He'd be screwing himself. Right.

We Wine Whenever (18:33.319)
Right, no. Right.

Wendy (18:33.847)
he's not. He's not. He's not. So then, then while Boz is over there, she said that, you know, one of her friends has this amazing villa on hundreds of acres with beautiful, beautiful views of Florence, Italy, like let's go to Italy. I was like, oh my gosh, yes, let's go to Italy. And Dorit says she spent almost a decade in Italy. I didn't realize she spent that long there. did not, I know that she was in Italy. I didn't realize it was 10 years.

We Wine Whenever (18:48.968)
Let's go.

Kelli (19:00.69)
I remember that when she did her fashion show, when she did her new line of bathing suits, I remember her saying that. And when she did her room, don't even know, whatever it was called.

Wendy (19:07.467)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (19:12.022)
Yeah.

Wendy (19:16.207)
Bucca di Peppe. Bucca di Peppe. Yeah. So listen, that place is fabulous. We'll get there. So then we see Rachel, she's talking to her sons. Both of her sons are there. she's like, you know, when you were, you know, I guess there was an incident that happened at the airport when they went to take the kids to camp.

the girlfriend wound up showing up. I, listen, I don't think that that's right. I don't think it's right. And it's,

Kelli (19:52.983)
No, not if they never met her before, like, and you didn't clear it with them. Like, this is something where you're like, listen, I have a friend who's very special to me. If you're ready, I would like you to meet her when you're ready. Like, this is how you should approach these situations. Not blindside them.

We Wine Whenever (19:56.35)
Yeah.

Wendy (20:00.156)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (20:04.679)
and I want to introduce them.

Right. Right. Right. Right. And you should appra- Right. You should approach Rachel and say, I want to introduce the kids. When do you think is a good time? Feel them out first. Let me know. What do you think? That's something that you don't just take upon yourself.

Kelli (20:27.874)
Well, I personally agree with you, but I think that it's so contentious between the two of them, that was never gonna happen. But I think he should have respected his own children enough to ask them, are you okay with this? Are you okay with meeting someone right now? Yeah, because I don't think this guy's gonna give Rachel any, you know, he's not gonna ask her for any kind of permission or anything. It doesn't sound like it's a good situation.

Wendy (20:28.331)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (20:33.363)
deaths probably happen. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (20:40.637)
Right. Yeah. How do you feel about it? Right.

Wendy (20:57.503)
Yeah, so I was thinking, because then she goes on to tell her sons while they were in camp, it came out that she's moving forward with the divorce, that the papers were filed and that it went viral. It was all over the place. She wanted the kids to hear it from her. She didn't want them to read it online. And they're like, well, we didn't see it. Like, that's crazy that it went viral. I wonder if when she was at the airport and that whole thing happened,

That's what made her say, this is it. I have to file these papers because that seems like the timing of it all, right?

Kelli (21:27.372)
Yeah. Probably.

We Wine Whenever (21:33.353)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Kelli (21:34.476)
Well, yeah, people, know, other paparazzi could have been there, who knows? And they're gonna get pictures of him with this girl. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (21:45.021)
Right, yeah.

Wendy (21:45.175)
Yeah, but I think it was something that set her off because she's like, you we didn't really talk about this and like, how do you feel about it? And when she says that she's getting a divorce, her younger son, Kaia says, so you're not in love with him anymore? And she's like, no, I'm not in love with him anymore. Listen, I love him. He's my favorite of her two sons because he's the one who moisturized at camp and...

Kelli (21:48.78)
Yeah.

Kelli (22:08.866)
He's super cute, that kid. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (22:09.711)
He's so sweet. He's so cute. Yes, he is. He's awesome. Yeah. And it's nice to see, like, that's part of the show that I don't mind, like, that conversation that you have with the boys, even though I'm sure this is not the first time she's having the conversation or anything like that. But still, it was authentic enough that you could watch it and...

Wendy (22:13.035)
He's just an old soul. Like, I just love this kid.

Kelli (22:23.276)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (22:39.079)
you know, you know, cause there's some scenes.

Wendy (22:39.67)
Right.

Kelli (22:41.77)
It was a pretty heavy conversation for those kids to have being that this is their first season on a reality TV show because she had her show years ago, but she hadn't had kids yet. So, they were very little and probably don't remember.

We Wine Whenever (22:50.195)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (22:54.397)
Right. But that's why you can kind of... Right. But that's why you can kind of tell from that scene that this is the kind of relationship that she has with them anyway. And this is how they have these like grown up conversations already. Because you don't... Someone doesn't seem comfortable with something like that if this is not a normal.

way that things already go in the household, right?

Wendy (23:27.177)
No, I totally agree, because she even asked them, how do you think the energy feels around here? And they're like, it feels more peaceful. And even when she, think she was talking to Bose about her divorce ring and how the kids helped her, actually not the kids, Caius, the youngest one, helped her design the ring. With the middle stone was her, the oval middle stone was her, and the two side stones were her.

We Wine Whenever (23:35.967)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (23:56.801)
her two sons.

Kelli (23:58.703)
First note.

Wendy (24:00.119)
No, they were diamonds.

Kelli (24:01.931)
they were all diamonds.

We Wine Whenever (24:02.95)
there you go.

Wendy (24:04.393)
Yeah, yeah, they were diamonds.

Kelli (24:06.69)
Just another excuse to buy yourself a diamond ring, but you go ahead and do it, girl. You go do you, girl, you go do you. I would have done birthstones, but that's just me. I have my kids' birthstone rings. I have rings with my kids' birthstones.

We Wine Whenever (24:09.585)
Absolutely. Yeah, you go ahead. Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (24:10.037)
Listen, absolutely. She's got the cash, right goat? Yep. Yep.

We Wine Whenever (24:24.191)
So I want to ask you a question.

There's just something about, because I know everybody gives Amanda hard time because she kind of does the name dropping of the brands and blah, But for some reason, there's just some way that Rachel Zoe does it and it just does not come off as pretentious or obnoxious. And I just can't figure out what the difference is between the way she does it and the way Amanda does it.

Amanda just seems annoying and insecure when she does it, when, at least to me, when Rachel Zoe does it, it's just not annoying.

Kelli (25:11.232)
I think for one Rachel has worked in fashion for you know over 20 years So we know that like not only is she wearing the real shit She's she probably knows all these people But I just think Amanda is annoying in general and Anything she does comes off as a no down to her ordering her coffee drink

We Wine Whenever (25:33.887)
That's annoying,

We Wine Whenever (25:37.567)
There you go.

Kelli (25:38.137)
Like, I just think she is that person where I don't know what it is. Is she trying too hard to fit in with these women? Like, yeah, like just if she came on and just, gives, and Wendy will know this reference, the Dana Wilkie vibe. Like there was a girl who was on Beverly Hills years ago as a friend of, and she was very nice, but.

Wendy (25:47.99)
she's definitely, definitely.

We Wine Whenever (26:05.501)
The sunglasses trick,

Kelli (26:06.882)
The sunglasses. It was like, all right, everybody in that room could be wearing $20,000 sunglasses. Clearly you're not the only one, you know? Those are the vibes she gives. And I don't know why.

Wendy (26:07.475)
Mm-hmm. Yes. Yes.

We Wine Whenever (26:14.599)
Yeah, we don't need to know about them. Right.

Wendy (26:21.835)
But it's, with Rachel, most of the time she's not.

She's not giving out these names in front of other people. So, cause I was watching her when she hadn't, cause they asked Amanda this question in the after show about the names and Amanda's like, well, Rachel does it and everyone else does it too. And then I started looking at it. So when Kyle came down with the czar address and whatever Rachel had on, Kyle said it first and then.

Kyle asked Rachel about the earrings. Like, it's not like she was giving the information. And then when she was packing to go to Italy, she's just packing and she's talking. And she's talking about the Gucci and the Dolce & Gabbana and the clothes that are there. But she's not saying it in front of other people. it's just, it is her everyday lingo because it's what she's doing. She's not name dropping, which is where the difference is.

We Wine Whenever (27:21.128)
right.

Kelli (27:22.838)
And in confessionals, I'm sure the producers are asking her. The producers are prompting her.

Wendy (27:26.229)
They ask her, they absolutely ask her. They absolutely ask her. And even every time I've seen her like say a designer, it's because somebody has asked her. It's not like she's throwing it out. Whereas when Amanda is driving Tyler, her wedding planner, she's asking him how he likes the car because it's got like a massager in it. And it's the least fancy car that she owns. Who says that? Who says that? I mean, seriously.

We Wine Whenever (27:28.071)
Right. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (27:51.283)
Yeah, who says that? Right, who says that? Yeah.

Kelli (27:51.692)
Right. Right. That's what I mean. It's like.

Wendy (27:57.077)
Like that is obnoxious. That is so obnoxious. Right?

Kelli (27:59.267)
Very obnoxious, yeah. Yes.

We Wine Whenever (28:02.654)
Yes.

Wendy (28:04.727)
I mean, I wrote down, God, she's so annoying. Like, she really is. She really is.

We Wine Whenever (28:07.837)
Yeah

Kelli (28:08.423)
Exactly! She just has this annoying vibe about her.

Wendy (28:13.589)
Yes.

Kelli (28:14.872)
She's like a Nellie Olsen.

We Wine Whenever (28:16.815)
Yes, Nellie Olsen is exactly it. Any of the Gen Z people, Gen X people chime in on the Nellie Olsen thing. You will know. You will know. And if you don't know, look her up. Yeah. Look up some clips and you'll be like, watch a couple of episodes and you'll be like, okay.

Wendy (28:18.175)
Yes! That's it! That's it!

Kelli (28:23.564)
Yeah, Dan X, Dan X, yeah. And if you don't know who Nellie Olsen is, look around.

Wendy (28:34.421)
Little House on the Prairie. That's all.

Kelli (28:41.592)
Just honestly, just the way she talks. Like, listen, we said it about Dorit when she first came on the show. That was some whack accent she had. Was it British? Was it like, you didn't even know what it was, but we've grown to love Dorit. Even the way Amanda talks, like it's like Valley Girl, but like condescending Valley Girl. She's, yes.

We Wine Whenever (28:56.339)
Right.

Wendy (29:07.585)
Kindergarten teacher. She gives kindergarten teacher.

We Wine Whenever (29:08.959)
Kindergarten teachers, definitely kindergarten teachers, yes.

Kelli (29:12.662)
It's weird, but yeah. I think she's gonna be a one and done though.

Wendy (29:16.705)
So Welsh

and we're gonna have to wait and see.

We Wine Whenever (29:21.331)
Well, I saw a thing that Andy did some little thing and he said she doesn't leave mid-season.

Wendy (29:28.311)
Well, she was on Watch What Happens Live. She was on Watch What Happens Live. Yeah. So her and Tyler are gonna go pick out stuff for her wedding. And she has to tell us that she's taking over the entire vineyard and she's bought out all the hotels nearby.

Kelli (29:28.366)
I did see that.

We Wine Whenever (29:30.235)
Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah. I saw her on there.

We Wine Whenever (29:45.275)
wait, I want to tell you, cause I have, was on looking at a social media post and I couldn't help myself. I, screen shotted, some of the comments that people made in regards to that. So this one was pretty funny. super vanilla, Jen Shaw. I think that was good. I can't believe Amanda actually has a guest list of 200 people that want to attend her wedding.

I don't want to say bad things about people, that she may have been seriously traumatized by that thing or whatever the hell caused or whatever the whole, or whatever the hell, cause she just isn't there. And then somebody said, let's see. I almost feel like it's a dot dot dot a scam. And then it seems, yes. And,

Kelli (30:37.87)
Another Scamanda.

We Wine Whenever (30:43.219)
This is what we had said last podcast or the podcast before. It seems a man identifies herself as their career slash success, which is sad because remember I had said that about her. I had to buy out the venue, comma. I had to buy out several hotels and then laughing emoji four times for 200 people. You had to buy out several hotels. Laughing emoji. Okay, Scamanda.

Kelli (30:55.212)
Yeah, yeah, that's her identity.

We Wine Whenever (31:13.937)
And then the ones that constantly talk about it end up being broke as a joke. it's just so funny that the comments on some posts. It's great.

Kelli (31:21.314)
But that's true. I mean, of course we're watching Beverly Hills. Of course, is part of it, but they don't talk about it like she does. I, listen, I've always heard that. Like the people who talk about money never have it. The ones who act like they have it don't have it. Wealth whispers.

We Wine Whenever (31:41.393)
ever have it, right? But it's weird because...

Wendy (31:42.805)
Wealth whispers.

We Wine Whenever (31:46.451)
But she, think that she does have, right? But I think that she does have it, but I don't know.

Kelli (31:51.491)
Well, she said again, she makes in a month what her husband makes in a year. mean, twist his testicles just a little bit more, won't you?

We Wine Whenever (31:56.004)
That's a thing you say that you say that

You say that twice, that was really, but here's the thing. I would really love to be able to plan any kind of event with like a huge budget like that. I'd like pick the chair, pick the chair, pick all of the table accents and the china and the glassware. my God. What a fun time.

Kelli (32:04.994)
Horrible.

Wendy (32:12.853)
No, no budget. She has no budget.

Kelli (32:15.054)
She has no budget.

Kelli (32:20.141)
Yeah.

Yeah, no, for sure. How's this interfaith ceremony gonna work though? I mean, I'm sure people have them. I'm sure people have them. I am just curious, like, do you not mention Jesus?

We Wine Whenever (32:38.535)
I guess you don't mention Jesus because she had said they both believe in God. So that's their kind of commonality. But that is kind of a Jewish Christian kind of sticking point is there's no Jesus.

Kelli (32:43.757)
Right.

Wendy (32:53.185)
Well, yeah, but-

Kelli (32:54.09)
I mean, we think he's the Messiah and you're still waiting for one. So.

Wendy (33:00.641)
think though, if you think back to your wedding in the church, Kelly, I don't remember any reference to Jesus, to be quite honest with you. Like there was readings, but there was no specific reference to Jesus. You know what I mean? It could still...

We Wine Whenever (33:11.548)
Right, right, right, yeah.

Kelli (33:12.78)
I think you're right, it comes down to the reading. So if you only take readings from the Old Testament, you're fine. Right. I mean, in a Catholic mass, there's four readings.

We Wine Whenever (33:19.049)
then you're good. Okay, so wait a second.

Wendy (33:20.405)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (33:25.651)
Right. But let's just go to this. How do we feel about the helicopter and the rose petals? And how do we feel about him coming on the horse and leading the guests in? I have to say this. I don't think the horse is a good idea. If that horse takes a shit, it's not good. It's not good because he wants... Yeah, but he wants to lead the whole wedding party, needs to follow him on the horse after he comes in.

Kelli (33:46.85)
Wait, he wants to come in on the horse, right?

Kelli (33:55.415)
I, this makes total sense why these two would be marrying each other now.

We Wine Whenever (34:02.097)
I just want to know what you guys felt about that.

Kelli (34:02.806)
He really wants to be the knight in shining armor.

Wendy (34:06.315)
I really think that the helicopter is going to spook the horse and he's going to...

We Wine Whenever (34:09.747)
Yes. And then the horse is gonna shit and run off.

Kelli (34:12.002)
Wait, wait, if he, I must've checked out at this point. If he's coming in on the horse, who's coming in via helicopter? She, she's coming in by helicopter and he's coming up on a horse. The horse is definitely going to go hog wild when it sees the helicopter and run the other way. Listen, I don't condone Bravo.

Wendy (34:21.439)
She is! She is!

We Wine Whenever (34:33.299)
Right. Yeah. And right the other way. After pooping.

Kelli (34:40.526)
paying for weddings and filming them, because I think that this is why half the people on Bravo get engaged, because they think they're going to get a free wedding from Bravo. But if there's going to be a helicopter and a horse involved, I kind of want Bravo to sponsor this wedding.

We Wine Whenever (34:56.617)
Somebody put on a social media post that I definitely want to see that and they want to see it just to see the reaction on all the other girls' faces.

Wendy (34:57.247)
No, I don't.

Wendy (35:10.699)
Yeah, because in the after show...

Kelli (35:11.39)
Listen, give her a one episode special, please.

We Wine Whenever (35:15.113)
Yes.

Wendy (35:15.531)
Well, her wedding is 10, 10, 26, 10, 10, 26. On the after show, they asked her which of the ladies she's going to invite. And she said, I think I'm going to have to invite them all. I think I'm going to invite them all. OK, we'll see which of the ladies are going to come. I don't know.

Kelli (35:17.987)
Yeah.

Kelli (35:32.91)
And is this when she's talking alone by herself?

Wendy (35:36.009)
Yes, yes, exactly. Exactly.

Kelli (35:39.148)
That's pretty wild, isn't it?

We Wine Whenever (35:39.473)
And not only is it the wedding, it's like four events. It's like the day before before party, the after party, the before, so it's events.

Wendy (35:43.509)
Right, there's four events.

Kelli (35:50.008)
think that this is a thing now. I really think that this is a thing now.

Wendy (35:55.83)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (35:55.869)
Yeah. So that's her.

Kelli (35:57.017)
just like the going on vacation for the bachelorette party. We went to Vicks and Bradley Beach and Barre for my bachelorette party and we saw dog voices and it was a great night.

We Wine Whenever (36:00.136)
Yeah, it's a thing.

We Wine Whenever (36:04.489)
There you go.

We Wine Whenever (36:08.095)
There you go. Yeah, so I just think that, you know, that she said that would be her boss lady moment. And it all doesn't matter because she's paying for it. Did you see the wedding planner's face? He was like...

Kelli (36:09.356)
Shout out Dog Voices.

Wendy (36:17.867)
Yes, the helicopter.

Kelli (36:26.606)
I mean, my cousin got married at a L'Ere State Park in that little chapel and she came up with my grandfather, because her father had passed away, horse and carriage. Beautiful. She wasn't riding the horse, although if you ride horses and that's your gig, great, but a helicopter seems kind of obnoxious again.

We Wine Whenever (36:38.9)
Pew!

We Wine Whenever (36:47.453)
Very good. Yeah.

Wendy (36:54.881)
And then what happens like with the blades going and your hair? like have you, I mean, come on, let's think about this. When you get in a helicopter, you have to put the ear things on. Come on. This is like, come on.

We Wine Whenever (36:59.155)
Yeah, and the dust and the wind, no.

Kelli (36:59.83)
Right, like it doesn't even seem, like logistically, yeah, it's not smart. It's just not smart.

We Wine Whenever (37:04.115)
Yeah, it's not good. No.

Ear things on, mess up your hair.

Kelli (37:12.174)
Yeah. Use your head, Amanda. As Eric would say, use your head.

Wendy (37:15.915)
you

Wendy (37:22.775)
So then we see Erica and Kyle, they're shopping for Italy. And Kyle is telling Erica about Dorit and the Hamptons and that she would like to kind of... Well, it's...

Kelli (37:32.288)
Again, again talking about Dorit to somebody other than Dorit.

Wendy (37:37.491)
She wants, but she wants Erica to have a sit down with her so that it's not just coming from Kyle. Erica thinks that's a good idea, you know, that they both sit down with her.

Wendy (37:55.159)
Kyle also said when she was shopping that she was worried because she said that PK said she has to pay for half of everything. And Erica said, well, half of what? And Kyle's like, I don't know because she was talking so much. And then they kind of cut back to some scenes that we didn't see. So I think that there's more to the story that we don't really know. I mean, we said last week that the...

We Wine Whenever (38:21.599)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (38:23.477)
We didn't think the $4,500 is a lot. And I don't think it was a lot. I still don't. mean, $4,500.

We Wine Whenever (38:28.351)
Now, you notice when Kyle went shopping, they showed her transaction thing and it was like $4,500. Oh, $4,500. Oh, okay. I thought it was $4,000. Oh, I thought it was four. Okay.

Wendy (38:36.022)
Yes.

Wendy (38:40.061)
No, 1475.

Kelli (38:40.622)
Well, I thought it was like eight. Yeah, I was going to say, I thought it was like, I thought it was 1800, but yeah, it was definitely 1000 something.

Wendy (38:48.841)
It was one, no, no, I wrote it down. was $1,475. Cause that's when she was checking out. She had the credit card. She's like, should I use my credit card or Mo's? And Erica's like, use Mo's. Yeah, Mo wants, let's, let's Mo pay for this. She goes, I got screwed when I, you know, when I got, yeah. Erica said, make him happy. He wants to pay for it.

We Wine Whenever (39:00.627)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (39:08.223)
There you go.

Kelli (39:09.838)
That's a weird thing too, like, whose credit card should I use? Mine or the guy I'm separated from? Like, I don't know, it's just a weird, it's almost like I don't wanna know, like it's like too personal, like I don't wanna know that. Like I enjoy watching you on this show, but I don't wanna know that.

We Wine Whenever (39:20.095)
You gotta make the

We Wine Whenever (39:26.333)
Right, but you gotta make a TV show.

But you got to make a TV show, Kel, so.

Kelli (39:32.978)
Yeah, no, I get it.

Wendy (39:33.2)
think it's a pretty cool flex. I think it's a cool flex to be honest with you. I do.

Kelli (39:37.294)
I mean, clearly they can both afford whatever the hell she's buying. I mean, there's no doubt about it. It's just like, yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I really think that Kyle is saying way too much about Dorit on this show though. Listen, let Dorit bury herself, but don't you be involved in it. Yeah.

Wendy (39:42.656)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (39:54.783)
crash and burn all alone

Wendy (39:58.007)
Well, I think she's trying to be a friend. don't think burying her is her intention.

Kelli (40:04.802)
I think that talking to everybody else about it is not being her friend though. She's making it a storyline is what she's doing.

We Wine Whenever (40:10.707)
Like I said though.

But that's the thing. That's what they're here kind of to do.

Kelli (40:18.036)
I understand that, but this to me is too sensitive of a topic to make a storyline, in my opinion.

Wendy (40:27.575)
So then we see the ladies are all packing. And Rachel's got her assistant there, and she's got her rolling rack full of caftans. And she announces that she's only going to pack Italian, which makes sense. mean, and she mentions Italian designers. You know, not a big deal. Again, she's just with her assistant.

We Wine Whenever (40:40.959)
I like it.

Yeah, right.

Wendy (40:49.099)
Then they get, the next thing we see is that they're at the LAX luxury terminal and Sutton is the first, yes, yes. Sutton is the first to arrive.

We Wine Whenever (40:54.239)
I could do it. I could do it.

Kelli (40:58.754)
Yeah, that was nice. That little room. Yeah, that was real nice.

We Wine Whenever (41:00.115)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (41:01.995)
That must be where they were before they went to the Hamptons. I didn't realize that. I didn't know such a thing existed, to be quite honest with you. I didn't know there was a luxury. I know, that's very true. Sutton's the first to arrive, and then Bo's McGat's there, and Sutton tells Bo that she would like to room with Amanda. And Bo's like, why would you do that?

We Wine Whenever (41:05.853)
Yeah, I think so.

We Wine Whenever (41:10.121)
Well, why would we not? Why would we not?

Wendy (41:26.773)
And she's like, well, I feel like I need to give her a chance. And I'm a really nice person, and I want to help her be better understood and be heard. I absolutely think she was genuine in doing this. I do. I think that that was really why she did it. Kelly doesn't think so?

We Wine Whenever (41:44.349)
Look Kelly, look Kelly's face.

Kelli (41:44.739)
I think, no, no, in all honesty, think that rightfully so Sutton has gotten some bad reactions from fans on social media for prior seasons and rightfully so. And I do think that this year she's just trying to, I just think she's trying to be a different person. And that's good, listen, if we can't evolve, you know, that's self-awareness to me.

Wendy (41:47.856)
You

We Wine Whenever (41:58.249)
Mm-hmm. So you take little damage control.

We Wine Whenever (42:06.065)
Right. Turn over a new leaf. Yeah, it's a good thing. That's right.

We Wine Whenever (42:14.294)
Absolutely.

Kelli (42:14.56)
And that shows huge maturity that you can evolve. Yeah, no, I'm here for it.

Wendy (42:20.053)
Well, she said that, I mean, Bo's even said like, I'm here for Sutton Brown. Like Sutton Brown is a different person. And she is.

Kelli (42:24.91)
Yeah. And listen, her too, like her divorce was her fault. She clearly didn't want it. Now her whole life has done a complete 180 and she's, you know, she got on the show after he left because we never saw him, but it doesn't mean she wasn't still going through all of those emotions of heartbreak and, you know, trying to find her grounding and yeah, no, I'm here for something.

We Wine Whenever (42:27.292)
Okay.

We Wine Whenever (42:45.811)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (42:51.411)
Right. So this is all I have to say. Okay. So Amanda and Sutton go to the room and there's two twin beds. I would have been fine. I'm fine. I'm fine with the twin bed. I'm fine with the couch. I'm fine with a roll up cot. I'm fine with the sleeping bag on the floor. If I can stay in that villa. Just want to put it out there.

Kelli (43:05.516)
I would have been fine too.

Kelli (43:15.116)
I'm still gonna take the twin bed, but yeah. Yeah, no, I agree with you. I wouldn't have been so jacked up about the twin bed.

We Wine Whenever (43:21.053)
No, I'm good.

Kelli (43:23.744)
Whoever the poor bastard is who has to share the room with me has to put up with my snoring now. Poor Eric has left the room in the middle of the night, probably for the past three nights because of my snoring.

We Wine Whenever (43:27.711)
We'll date.

We Wine Whenever (43:36.627)
But you snore, Kelly snores, because we've gone away together. Kelly snores like a little baby bear. It's a very cute little soft snore. Tell Eric if Eric could hear my husband snore. Now that's a whole nother animal. That's a whole nother classification of wild boar.

Kelli (43:46.388)
Eric doesn't think so.

Wendy (43:48.737)
Do I snore?

Kelli (43:50.998)
I don't think you do.

Wendy (43:53.333)
I think I probably do.

Kelli (43:58.402)
Well.

Kelli (44:04.642)
Well, Tess came in the house the other night and I had apparently fallen asleep on the back couch watching TV. Now my house is small, but she did hear me snoring. She was in the living room and I was in the back room and she heard me snoring. So I don't know, maybe only sometimes I snore like a baby bear and other times I snore like the papa bear.

We Wine Whenever (44:24.037)
I don't know. Anytime I've been with you, it's a nice little baby bear. It's not a big deal.

Wendy (44:26.07)
you

Kelli (44:29.614)
But anyway, I would have taken the twin bed too.

We Wine Whenever (44:34.525)
Yes, yes, but I just want to that out.

Kelli (44:37.047)
Yeah, for sure.

Wendy (44:39.351)
So the next one to arrive is Kyle and then Amanda and we find out that she's booked them in three different groups. Love this, love this.

Kelli (44:51.564)
Very smart, very smart.

We Wine Whenever (44:52.543)
Yeah, it's very smart.

Wendy (44:54.091)
Very smart. I also wrote down that Boze's pink pastel outfit was beautiful. I love that color on her. I love that. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (45:01.085)
Yes, beautiful.

Kelli (45:02.85)
She looks great in that color for sure, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (45:05.439)
And I want to put this out there, Kathy, Kathy Hilton, you need one of those little, I don't know what they're called. It's like a little thing that's almost like a pocketbook for your phone. Like it has, it has like a strap that you can put on the phone. you need this. You need this. Cause I understand I lose, I lose my phone all the time. I can understand it, but I'm just saying, Kathy, maybe you need that thing.

Wendy (45:19.573)
The strap on it. On your case. Yeah.

Kelli (45:26.574)
She is funny to watch.

Wendy (45:34.219)
Wait, do you have it, Lori?

We Wine Whenever (45:35.698)
No I don't, but I could use one.

Kelli (45:37.902)
Well, your birthday is coming up.

We Wine Whenever (45:39.571)
Like if I was going, especially if I'm traveling international or whatever, I think that like if I was going on an international trip, that is definitely something that I would purchase for myself because especially now, you know, people swipe your phone and everything, blah, blah, blah, but definitely it's a good thing to have. So just letting you know, Kath.

Kelli (46:03.278)
Well, Jennifer saying that traveling with Cathy is like herding kittens is probably one of the funniest things that I've heard all year. And Kyle's like, Jennifer is just getting a little taste of what it's like.

Wendy (46:08.33)
So funny.

So funny.

We Wine Whenever (46:11.519)
But that's, I feel like that's how it would be.

We Wine Whenever (46:17.489)
Right. Yeah. Cause I feel like traveling with me would be like traveling with Kathy Helen and or he.

Wendy (46:20.267)
But honestly, it's so fun.

Wendy (46:29.047)
Oh. Hmm. Yeah. That's a lot.

Kelli (46:29.45)
I... Yeah. I agree.

We Wine Whenever (46:33.116)
Yeah, there you go. So quit your bitching, quit your bitching people, because you could be traveling with me like the two of them together. So.

Kelli (46:45.166)
We did not get enough Jennifer Tilly this episode though. I need more Jennifer Tilly in my episodes. Yeah.

Wendy (46:46.081)
Gosh, and-

We Wine Whenever (46:48.275)
Mm-mm. Mm-mm. Mm-mm.

Wendy (46:49.811)
No. But.

We Wine Whenever (46:52.775)
Yeah, past couple of ones, yes. We need more.

Wendy (46:55.403)
But Natalie's there too, so Natalie's going with the first group.

Kelli (46:57.825)
Yeah.

Wendy (47:01.555)
I'm curious to see what happens with Natalie, because we really don't know anything about Natalie except for that she got a happy ending in her massage and she's going through a divorce. That's all we know.

We Wine Whenever (47:08.883)
Yeah, that's it. That's it. That's all we know.

Kelli (47:09.518)
And they are going to bring that up every damn episode that they can. Take that, Denise Richards.

We Wine Whenever (47:14.399)
Absolutely.

Wendy (47:14.505)
Yes, that's it.

We Wine Whenever (47:18.075)
Listen, if she was my friend or somebody that I was involved with, I'd be bringing that up every episode too.

Kelli (47:24.597)
Absolutely.

Wendy (47:27.607)
So the second group is Erica, Dorit, and Rachel. And Rachel and Erica are waiting for Dorit and waiting for Dorit. Erica has anxiety waiting for Dorit. And then finally Dorit arrives. And again, there's no apology.

Kelli (47:50.604)
Now.

Wendy (47:51.891)
It's like, just wish she would apologize. I wish she would be more aware. I just wish she would be more aware. I do.

Kelli (47:56.713)
I agree.

Kelli (48:01.455)
She just acts like it's no big deal, that they should just be used to it, and that's it. This is how it is. But it's just disrespectful.

We Wine Whenever (48:12.169)
Well, maybe I guess in her I guess in her mind she made it in time. She's like, it's all good.

Kelli (48:18.314)
Well, yeah, yeah. And like, think, who said it? Erica, like, this plane isn't waiting for her. So if she's not here, she's not getting on. So really, nobody should be stressing about it because it's on her if she misses it. It's not like a private jet where you have to be like, my God, I'm so sorry. Can we just wait for my friend? You know, it's a commercial flight. They're not waiting.

We Wine Whenever (48:24.489)
Right. Right.

Right, because really, yeah, maybe that's how she's kind of looking at it.

Wendy (48:31.831)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (48:37.555)
Right,

Wendy (48:40.767)
Yeah, that's very, true. I thought it was funny though, so they've landed in Florence when Sutton gets the text from Jennifer and she's telling us what happened with Cathy. But meanwhile, on Jennifer's Instagram, she's eating cheese fondue in Switzerland and happy as can be. Like she was making the best out of it. Like she didn't, you know.

We Wine Whenever (49:01.395)
Yeah, you got it.

Kelli (49:04.334)
They had a layover, right?

Wendy (49:07.719)
Yeah, and I wonder what it had to do with the lost phone. Like, I don't know.

Kelli (49:13.61)
yeah. In Tennessee.

Wendy (49:14.987)
You know what I'm saying? Like I don't even, yeah, like I don't know. Who knows?

Wendy (49:24.917)
Okay, so the next thing I have is they are staying at Villa Bibiani. It has nine bedrooms, 13 bathrooms, and is over 100,000 square feet. And it is the most stunning place I have ever seen. The most stunning place.

Kelli (49:47.183)
Yeah, it really is. So nine bedrooms, many were, how many, Kyle, Bose, Dorit, Erica, Rachel, Kathy, Jennifer, Sutton, Amanda.

I guess there were, I'm missing Natalie. So there was one extra person, so two people did have to share a room.

Wendy (50:04.235)
Natalie? Natalie?

We Wine Whenever (50:11.903)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (50:12.439)
Yeah. So they get inside and first they're met with all these men. mean, men are grabbing luggage, there's cocktails, there's mocktails. Stefano is the host that's gonna be their person and he's giving them the tour. It was hand painted from the 1700s. mean.

We Wine Whenever (50:35.679)
I want to tell you this. Now I went to Italy a long time ago, but that is one of the things that was one of my takeaways from my trip is that the male populace was just absolutely gorgeous. So much so that I thought to myself, my God, like, did they find like every runt?

Wendy (50:37.719)
gorgeous.

We Wine Whenever (51:03.677)
like every ugly Italian guy in the world and put them on a boat and send them to America at some point because like the Italian men in Italy, it was just unbelievable. I was like, my gosh.

Kelli (51:13.449)
Easy! Easy.

Isn't your husband Italian?

Wendy (51:21.559)
You

We Wine Whenever (51:23.805)
I'm just saying, I'm just saying the cat gives a shit. I'm just saying the caliber, the caliber of men that I saw. Like, yeah, like though, like the men in Italy were like, Giorgio Armani, Italian. Where was like, I feel like the men from Italy here were like,

Kelli (51:25.516)
I know, you might not want to though.

Wendy (51:26.217)
Not from Italy. He's not listening.

Kelli (51:32.28)
That's true. Now I know what you meant. Listen, it's a different, it's a different look.

We Wine Whenever (51:53.247)
the guys on soprano at the end of the line. It's totally, it's two different, it's two different things I'm talking about from a visual aspect. It's two totally different things. That's all I'm telling you. That's all I'm saying.

Kelli (51:55.886)
100 % because they get Americanized here. Yeah.

Kelli (52:04.846)
I know that's what you're talking about. Listen, when I was in my early 20s, I graduated high school in 92. I went to vocational school for cosmetology and I worked at a salon.

for two guys, Nino and Caesar. Now, I didn't know. Nino was from Italy, Caesar was from Argentina. Caesar used to do like Joan Collins' hair, he did Jackie Collins. He was big time. How he wound up in Brick, New Jersey, I do not know. But anyway, they were gay. I didn't even realize when I first met them. But Nino was from Italy, and Nino's nephews used to come every summer.

Wendy (52:43.447)
you

We Wine Whenever (52:53.095)
I told you! Totally different gig!

Kelli (52:53.422)
They were, I know, I know exactly what you're talking about. They were so fucking good looking. I'm sorry, I have to say it. They were ridiculously good looking. Of course I was engaged. So it didn't land with me, not that they were looking my way, but I feel like I might have been able to get them to. If I wasn't so hung up on somebody else.

We Wine Whenever (52:59.697)
like Giorgio Armani good looking

That's what I'm saying, that's one thing I definitely remember.

We Wine Whenever (53:16.127)
Right. If, if it was a different situation. Yes. All right. So I just wanted to that out there. I just wanted to put that out there.

Kelli (53:22.176)
I know what you're saying. Yeah. For sure.

Wendy (53:25.879)
All right, so Kyle says that the last time she's seen something this amazing is when they went to Provence. And actually, this one is surpassing it.

We Wine Whenever (53:32.147)
See, the next time she told something, it amazing, it was the men.

Wendy (53:37.591)
She didn't say the men. Yeah, and it's so funny because Bose is like, you know, my friend George has invited me here like a dozen times. if I knew this place looked like this, I would have come earlier without these rods. I'm like, listen, Bose, if I had a friend who owned a villa in Italy, first of all, I would look it up. And second of all, I would just get on a plane and go. Like, what are you waiting for?

We Wine Whenever (53:39.037)
I know, but I'm-

Kelli (53:58.455)
Yeah, right.

Kelli (54:03.118)
Yeah, like Villa in Italy is kind of all you need to hear.

Wendy (54:06.261)
Yeah! Yeah, exactly!

We Wine Whenever (54:07.719)
Yeah, that's it. Right. I don't even need to look it up. It could be, it could be crappy and I'd be like, okay.

Kelli (54:11.384)
Mm-mm.

Wendy (54:12.053)
Yeah, I don't know.

Kelli (54:15.532)
I stayed in a villa in Italy.

We Wine Whenever (54:17.383)
I'm out.

It'll be dirt floors. I think I'll be good.

Wendy (54:23.295)
Yeah, I mean, yeah. So the first group, they have some downtime and Bose is gonna go get a massage.

We Wine Whenever (54:33.789)
Yes.

Wendy (54:36.855)
You know, Kyle also said, so they're getting the tour and we see Bo's room and oh my gosh, the closet and the wardrobe and her stylist brought her stuff there. And Kyle said the last time we saw that was with Diana Jenkins in 2021. I was like, oh yeah, remember that? Like, that's the way to travel. That is the way to travel.

We Wine Whenever (54:47.507)
Yeah, the whole thing, the whole thing, the whole thing.

We Wine Whenever (55:04.349)
come on.

Kelli (55:04.62)
Absolutely.

Wendy (55:06.079)
She's like, Bose is bougie. I was like, yes she is. And good for her.

We Wine Whenever (55:12.68)
Yeah, why not?

Wendy (55:14.611)
All the rooms were stunning, to be quite honest with you. I mean, even the moment the twin beds was stunning. They were stunning.

Kelli (55:17.432)
They really were. Yeah. And listen, you have your own bathroom. Like I know Sutton and Amanda have to share their bathroom, but everybody had their own bathroom. I honestly don't care what the room looks like, but having your own bathroom while on vacation, with sharing with nobody else is so nice. So nice.

We Wine Whenever (55:20.095)
That's what I'm saying to you.

Wendy (55:35.411)
Mm-hmm. Yes. I totally agree.

We Wine Whenever (55:38.249)
Well, that's where we're at in life. We're just happy when we don't have to share one bathroom with three or four other people.

Kelli (55:41.036)
Yeah, exactly.

Kelli (55:48.598)
Right, right, I'm a very simple girl.

We Wine Whenever (55:51.234)
Very, yeah, very easy to please.

Wendy (55:56.385)
So Sutton and Amanda are in their room and they're chatting a little bit. And Sutton says, know, last time I was at your house, I was quite strong. And Sutton's like, think you were kind of wishy washy, you know? So that's why I wanted to, you know, I wanted to room with you. I wanted to, you know, give you a chance. And I was the new girl once too. So, you know, I know what it's like, which I do think that that's true.

We Wine Whenever (56:23.551)
It was very, very nice of Sun.

Wendy (56:25.952)
Yeah.

Amanda starts talking about her background, about when she was getting her masters, that when she was speaking to Dorit, she wasn't giving her an uninformed opinion because she has her masters in counseling. And I was like, how does it get back to you again?

We Wine Whenever (56:50.983)
And she was like, parent-child situation, so she was... Yeah, yeah. But you know what? Somehow, and it makes sense, and if somebody else said it in a different way, you would be like, okay, I see where she was coming from. That would have been like a cool perspective. Like, you could have came across like, I don't know what it is about her.

Wendy (56:56.031)
Yes, child development and play therapy.

We Wine Whenever (57:20.863)
Maybe it's just, maybe it's just how production shows her. I don't know. But the things that she says kind of make sense, but somehow it's lost in translation with her delivery. That's the only thing I can come up with.

Wendy (57:38.805)
Yeah, I totally agree, but I don't like that she kind of has to bring it back around to herself, like explaining, like, you know, I'm not just, you know, some stranger. I, you know, I'm educated. I have, you know, I have my masters in, you know.

We Wine Whenever (57:53.088)
Right, but what I'm saying is it totally makes sense what she's saying and if she would have presented it in a different way, she could have came at it. Okay, so if she came at it and was like, hey, Dree, you know, like I want to talk to you. I used to do a lot of stuff with counseling with kids. So maybe you could look at it from this perspective. Like I've seen it from the other side, from the kid's side. And this is.

something that could happen. There's ways that you could have come from the perspective that she's coming from and had it not land as horribly, is what I'm saying.

Kelli (58:37.248)
Isn't it interesting though that we're still talking about what Amanda said about Dorit, but Kyle is continuously doing it and nobody's talking about Kyle doing it. Kyle is still doing what everybody got jacked up over Amanda doing. And I don't think it was right what Amanda was doing, but it's like, you have to take accountability. You have to take accountability. Kyle's still out there talking to the streets about Dorit like.

We Wine Whenever (58:49.773)
There you go.

Kelli (59:07.362)
Like nobody's business and nobody's calling her out on it. But we're still talking about what Amanda said about the re at Cathy's house, episode two.

We Wine Whenever (59:08.122)
Right. Right.

We Wine Whenever (59:18.879)
Exactly. What are we doing? Yeah. It's the madness that is Real Housewives. That's what it is.

Kelli (59:19.522)
Like, what are we doing?

Kelli (59:25.098)
It's the editing, it's the producers and what they want to focus on, really. They're the puppet masters, yeah.

Wendy (59:30.287)
there's definitely a lot of editing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (59:32.753)
You need fodder or there's no show.

Wendy (59:37.173)
But you know, Amanda did make a good point. She did say that, you know, she feels like her and Dorit, like if the conversation was just between her and Dorit, which is what she wanted it to be, she didn't want it to be a group setting, that if it was just between her and Dorit, that they could, you know, they could get to a good place. And I do agree with her on that. Like I do, because first of all, Dorit was very defensive when the conversation started. She wasn't even, she wasn't listening. She wasn't listening.

We Wine Whenever (59:48.499)
Right, exactly.

Kelli (59:49.751)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (01:00:06.087)
No, she was coming for her. She was totally coming for her. Absolutely.

Kelli (01:00:06.648)
Yeah.

Wendy (01:00:07.977)
Right, right. So I, you know, I do see her point in that.

We Wine Whenever (01:00:11.199)
But I think the problem all comes down to, and I know Bo's just did a social media post, which I thought was very insightful. The thing is, is that Amanda views conflict in a different way. The show, Beverly Hills, is any real housewife show is founded on conflict. And by conflict, it can even be as simple as,

difference of opinion on something. you know...

I think that just Amanda views conflict in a different way. And if you're on a show where the whole premise of the show is that people have different opinions on things, even if the opinion is, you shouldn't be talking about my husband and my kids when you don't know me, like, there's gonna be conflict and that's okay. It doesn't have to be.

It doesn't, just because there's conflict doesn't mean that, you know, too much has to be made out of it. And I feel like Amanda made too much out of the fact that Doreen had a different, yeah, that Doreen had a different opinion about her talking about her marriage. Like, I just feel like.

Kelli (01:01:29.196)
You think Amanda did?

Wendy (01:01:36.917)
I think Dorit made too much about it. I think it's Dorit that keeps not letting it go.

Kelli (01:01:39.503)
I think if at the first point, the night of the anniversary of Amanda Sun's passing, I think if that night, do think, and I'm not judging her on this because God forbid, I don't know how she felt, that's a horrible trauma to have gone through. I do think if she handled things a little bit differently that night,

Wendy (01:01:51.275)
Right.

Kelli (01:02:08.046)
we would not still be talking about this. Because she 100 % deflected that night. She brought up her son's passing, said she didn't wanna talk about it, understandable, but then started talking about it again. Which prompted Dorit to start talking about it again.

We Wine Whenever (01:02:10.579)
That's what I'm saying.

We Wine Whenever (01:02:24.883)
Well, not only that...

We Wine Whenever (01:02:30.503)
Right, but when you throw in the whole thing, like, you're making me feel emotionally unstable because there's a conflict, then that turns into its own shit show. That's what I'm trying to say. That's what I'm trying to say.

Kelli (01:02:37.173)
Yes, she used...

Kelli (01:02:42.496)
She used trigger words that kids in high school are using. Yeah, I do agree with that.

We Wine Whenever (01:02:46.771)
Yes, that's what I'm saying. Like the whole show is based on conflict. Like don't act like...

I'm just saying much ado was made about nothing on both sides. Yes, but I'm just

Kelli (01:03:00.312)
Well, and then you got Dorit not letting it go, and now you have Sutton not letting it go. It's like, in Sutton's words, let the mouse go. Like, come on.

We Wine Whenever (01:03:09.599)
But again, then you wouldn't have show.

Kelli (01:03:11.648)
Right, right. Meanwhile, Kyle's out there talking to everybody except TMZ about Dory and her situation. And nobody's calling her out on anything.

We Wine Whenever (01:03:18.375)
Instability. yeah. Instability OCD.

Wendy (01:03:27.703)
All right, well, we're at over an hour, we gotta wrap this up. So listen, thank you for watching and listening. If you guys could do us a favor, go over YouTube. If you've listened this long or watched us this long, please go to YouTube, hit the subscribe button. It would really help us out. Please subscribe to us on YouTube. Thank you.

Kelli (01:03:27.745)
well.

We Wine Whenever (01:03:29.849)
god, goodbye.

Kelli (01:03:30.302)
We gotta go. Yeah, we're done.

Kelli (01:03:48.226)
Yeah, and don't you want to tell them that you saw Dolores today?

Wendy (01:03:52.465)
yes, I saw Dolores today. Real Housewives of New Jersey and soon to be Real Housewives of Rhode Island and she was, well she's on the show, yeah. She's a friend of, she's a friend of, yes. She was fabulous, she's the kindest. Yeah, she's so, yes. What I love about Dolores is, first of all,

We Wine Whenever (01:03:54.409)
from your housewives of New Jersey.

Kelli (01:03:56.833)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (01:04:01.023)
she is going to Rhode Island,

Kelli (01:04:04.512)
Is she like a friend of?

We Wine Whenever (01:04:10.815)
Stolo skipping states.

Kelli (01:04:14.058)
No, listen, girls gotta eat.

Wendy (01:04:21.303)
And Kelly, you can attest to this, because I mentioned our podcast to her. I gave her our card. I had my Wee Wine Whenever bag. She said, I think I've heard of it. I said, can you just give me a, give me, us a follow, please? She goes, yeah. I said, you know, I met you once at Beacon 70. And one of the things I love about Dolores is she looks you in the eye and she talks to you. And she remembers your name. I mean, we chatted a couple of times. We left, we came back.

Hey Wendy and Maddie. She like, I brought Maddie with us and Maddie and her were besties. Check out our Instagram and Facebook. put some, I put some pictures up with us. She had an outfit change when we were there. We had an outfit change. We, me. I mean, I bought a jacket, so that's how had an outfit change. But she just is very genuine. She talks, she listens to you. She remembers. She's very engaging. It's not like she's just ignoring you.

Kelli (01:04:53.026)
Hahaha

Wendy (01:05:19.893)
or just posing for a picture. wants to hear, she's asking Maddie like, is he doing? Where do you want to go? When we were leaving, she had on this beautiful black dress and Matt's like, something about that dress. And she's like, perfect for Broadway when I come see you. Because they, know, like just perfect. Like she's just real. She is such a real person.

We Wine Whenever (01:05:19.902)
Right.

Kelli (01:05:41.08)
Dolores is the true depiction of a true Jersey girl. That's Dolores.

We Wine Whenever (01:05:48.137)
You know who's like that? I find to be like that too is Danielle.

Wendy (01:05:48.246)
Yes.

Kelli (01:05:52.878)
Oh, 100%. I do think that Danielle's from Staten Island, although she lives in Jersey now, but 100 % true, genuine person. Absolutely.

Wendy (01:05:53.129)
yes, Cabral, Daniel Cabral, absolutely.

We Wine Whenever (01:05:54.185)
Same, same.

It's same thing.

Right. Yes, absolutely genuine. Yeah.

Wendy (01:06:02.015)
Yes. Yes. Yes. Also looks you in the eye, also engages with you, also, yes, 100%. 100%. So yes, I did that today. So check out our social media and comment and share and subscribe.

Kelli (01:06:21.432)
Write it down if you forget.

Wendy (01:06:23.307)
Bye.

Kelli (01:06:25.102)
All right, bye.

We Wine Whenever (01:06:25.119)
because that's where I. Bye.