RHOBH-Friendships SHATTER 💔 RHOBH Finale Breakdown!

Wendy (00:01.102)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever, I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:04.763)
I'm Kelly.

We Wine Whenever (00:05.831)
and I'm Lori.

Wendy (00:08.236)
And we are talking about Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, Season 15, Episode Number 18, Closing Chapters. Closing Chapters.

We Wine Whenever (00:15.431)
Thank God it's over. Thank God it's over. Thank God it's over. That's what it should have been called. I can't take it. I can't take it anymore. I'm just going to tell you that right now. Thank God it's over because it's just... It's all too much. It's all too much.

Kelli (00:19.379)
That's what it should have been called. That's what it should have been called.

Wendy (00:21.376)
Yeah.

Wendy (00:25.313)
Okay.

Kelli (00:28.282)
Not a great season.

It wasn't a good season, it was a horrible season finale.

We Wine Whenever (00:36.1)
It's just too much.

Wendy (00:38.958)
Okay, but before we get into this, I'm going to do my call to action.

We Wine Whenever (00:42.607)
Okay, action and call. Call to action.

Wendy (00:44.876)
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We Wine Whenever (00:57.263)
Okay, good.

Kelli (01:00.521)
Real quick, I was thinking the other day, we need to bring back, would you rather?

We Wine Whenever (01:05.905)
absolutely.

Wendy (01:07.243)
Okay, yes.

Kelli (01:07.347)
We gotta start doing some would you rathers again. All right, carry on Beverly Hills.

We Wine Whenever (01:09.531)
Yes.

Wendy (01:10.698)
Okay. Okay. We pick up where we left off with Erica knocking at Sutton's door and you know, she says she's at, in her confessional, I'm at Sutton Brown's house instead of Dorit's book party. Like did the aliens come down or something? Because you know, Erica and Sutton were never really close. Erica and Dorit were close. They were close.

I do think it's strange that Sutton said at this point to Erica, I wonder what we're missing. Like I would like to be a fly on the wall. And the look on Erica's face when she said that, I'm like, if you are wondering what you're missing, then your ass should have been there. Like you should have went.

Kelli (01:56.229)
Exactly. Then why didn't you just go?

Wendy (01:59.466)
Right, I thought that was odd.

Kelli (02:00.701)
Or are you wondering if they're all talking about you not being there?

Wendy (02:05.582)
Well, that's kind of desperate. It could be, though.

Kelli (02:07.975)
It's desperate, it's childish, it's silly. It's silly that none of them went.

Wendy (02:11.98)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (02:15.079)
You know what the whole thing is? I can see everybody's side and I can see nobody's side.

Kelli (02:21.373)
Right. Right.

Wendy (02:24.618)
That's a good point.

So back at the book cover reveal, all of a sudden there's like this loud noise and everyone gasps and we see like Jennifer Tilly. She's like, that is a $40,000 bear. And you see that her purse fell on the floor and it broke and it was a Gucci 2024 crystal teddy bear. And Bo said to Dorit, a $40,000 bear like.

you're scared because I'm scared. And Dorit said, I'm sick. And I thought to myself, first of all, Jennifer Tilly picks it up and she's like, my God, mommy, it hurts, it hurts. Like the bear is talking to her. But what I'm thinking is if you're Jennifer Tilly and you have a $40,000 Gucci crystal bear, you just need to call Gucci and let them know that your bear broke and they will fix it for you because you are Jennifer Tilly and you are a good customer, right? This is not a big deal.

We Wine Whenever (03:20.413)
Absolutely.

Yeah. So somebody must've knocked into the little cocktail table. I'm wondering, you know,

Kelli (03:23.591)
Yeah, I mean, this is.

Yes, yes. But why did you leave a $40,000 anything on top of a bistro table that can very easily be bumped into and said $40,000 item can be knocked on the floor? Like don't look that surprised, you left it there.

Wendy (03:28.02)
Yeah, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (03:43.387)
Because...

Right, because I

Wendy (03:46.808)
She wasn't that bothered by it. She was not bothered by it.

Kelli (03:49.215)
I know.

We Wine Whenever (03:50.639)
And I think it's because it's not a big deal. She's got it to burn. We look at that like, whoa. But I think to her it's not. And like Wendy said, she knows she can just get it replaced. Now they did flash to and show some guy with a of like a muscly tee on.

Kelli (04:03.847)
and she might not have even paid for it.

Wendy (04:03.96)
Well, exactly.

We Wine Whenever (04:17.943)
And I was wondering, ooh, like was it him? I don't know. I don't know who knocked it over. You didn't catch that? Yeah, they flashed to like some, just some thin guy in the eye, like on the little muscle T. And he was just like, ooh. So who knows? Who knocked that over?

Kelli (04:23.103)
I didn't notice that. No.

Wendy (04:36.226)
Well, after that whole thing happened, Kathy Hilton goes over there and she picks something up and she's like, my God, did you miss something else? And Jennifer's like, no, that's my Tums, that's my Tums. Because now I have a stomach ache and she puts it in her mouth and Kathy's like, did you just put that in your mouth? It was on the floor. And she's like, yeah, it's okay. I mean, this is my friend's club, it's clean. I was like, this is why.

Kelli (04:57.929)
Yeah, I know the owner and this floor should be clean. I know the owner.

We Wine Whenever (04:57.981)
That's a five second rule.

We Wine Whenever (05:02.959)
It's a five second rule anyway. I would have done that.

Wendy (05:03.51)
Yeah. And honestly, this is why I love Jennifer and Kathy Hilton because honestly, like this is who they are. This is, this is their life. And the fact that she was so unbothered by it and right. Dorit is sick over it. Bose is scared over it. And Jennifer's like, so she's talking to it. mommy, mommy, I'm hurt. It's just so funny to me.

We Wine Whenever (05:11.165)
Absolutely.

We Wine Whenever (05:18.845)
Yeah, very nonchalant.

Kelli (05:31.775)
They are a dynamic duo, those two, Jennifer and Kathy.

We Wine Whenever (05:34.778)
yes, most definitely.

Wendy (05:35.33)
They really are. And then back at Sutton's house, Erica is talking to Sutton, and this is like an hour and a half into the party, and she's like, you know, I wish I felt bad. Like, I feel like I should feel bad about not being there, but I don't. Okay.

Kelli (05:51.05)
Well, she goes on to recount every way Dory has supported her, like on Broadway and in Vegas and I mean.

Wendy (05:56.183)
Right.

Kelli (06:03.839)
I don't know. But you know what, she also said in that conversation something about how Dorit left she and Kyle when they were getting gelato and we all know she didn't leave them. So it's, yeah, it's terrible that they're perpetuating a lie when we all know that that's not what happened.

Wendy (06:05.272)
She does.

We Wine Whenever (06:14.747)
No, there was another car there for them.

We Wine Whenever (06:25.372)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (06:26.102)
Right. I mean, Erica is hanging her hat on the fact that, you know, she called her a see you next Tuesday. Like that's that was her that was her line. Right.

Kelli (06:33.085)
Right, but she's the one who brought the word into the group, right? So she shouldn't be super offended by it. She's the one who brought the word into the group.

We Wine Whenever (06:42.513)
But let me ask you this, has...

Wendy (06:42.561)
No, I agree with you.

We Wine Whenever (06:47.279)
Has Erica behaved 10 times worse towards people than Dorit has?

Kelli (06:53.221)
Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, she had that season where she was, I mean, even Kyle was like, you're making it hard for me to defend you.

Wendy (07:00.781)
Yeah.

Wendy (07:06.104)
Yeah. I think the difference is though, and I could be wrong, but I think the difference is, yes, Erika has been horrible to people. But like you said, Kyle even said to Erika, like you're making it hard to defend me, the difference is with Dorit, nobody can say anything to Dorit that she will listen to unless it's Rachel or Bose. Because anyone else who says anything to Dorit about the way she's behaving, if it's not Rachel or Bose, she doesn't receive it.

She doesn't receive it.

Kelli (07:37.087)
But I don't think anybody was getting through to Erica either. Remember that? cause she was like, I don't care. I don't care. I don't care. She didn't.

We Wine Whenever (07:41.499)
Yeah, like she didn't she didn't receive things She didn't receive things. So that's why especially with her I'm like

Wendy (07:47.726)
You know what?

We Wine Whenever (07:52.519)
What do you what

Wendy (07:52.962)
You know who I think got through to Erica? I'll be honest with you. I think Lisa Rinna got through to Erica. I think Lisa Rinna was by her side that whole time. And I think that...

Kelli (07:58.42)
Maybe, maybe she was the only one, yeah.

Kelli (08:04.747)
That's what it was. Lisa Rinna never, even if she ever doubted that Erica was guilty, she never let onto it. She always made it seem to Erica that I know you're not guilty. I know you're telling me the truth. And Rinna committed to that.

Wendy (08:15.99)
Right. Lisa?

Wendy (08:25.952)
Right, I think that Lisa Rinna was by Erica's side the entire time and never wavered. I do. I do. And for Dorit, it's Rachel and Boz. For Dorit right now, it's Rachel and Boz.

Kelli (08:33.203)
Yeah. Well, and then Erica says,

Right, right. But then Erica says maybe PK wasn't wrong. What are these women trying to do? Like we all know PK is a douchebag of a husband, clearly not a very present father, and he's not gonna make this divorce easy on Dorit. He's manipulative. And.

Wendy (08:46.519)
Yeah.

Kelli (09:07.879)
These women, Kyle and now Erica, are making comments that can be damaging to Dorit in a divorce proceeding and a custody battle. What are they doing? Imagine if somebody said that about Tom Gerardi and Erica with that whole thing. Imagine if somebody said like, you know, well, maybe Tom, know, Tom must have put the money in her account. She must have known.

We Wine Whenever (09:19.207)
Yeah? Yeah?

Kelli (09:36.241)
It's the equivalent of them saying that.

We Wine Whenever (09:36.465)
Right. She must have done. Right. Right.

Wendy (09:39.832)
Well, honestly, I do think that Sutton did say that to Erica. mean, Sutton is the one who called an attorney and wanted to distance herself from Erica. So the fact that, yeah, so the fact that, like Erica said, like here I am sitting at Sutton's house when, after all I've been through with Sutton, when Dorit and I were really good friends, like, listen, like Lori said, I kind of see

Kelli (09:50.271)
She did.

Wendy (10:07.554)
both sides and I don't see any other sides. It's so very true because, you know, people say all the time when they listen to our podcast specifically, they say that you guys are Kyle bashing. And I've, I always jump on there. I'm like, I am not Kyle bashing. I'm actually a fan of Kyle. I know that you are not as much Kelly and you never have been. I know.

We Wine Whenever (10:09.712)
see anybody.

Kelli (10:25.225)
I'm not. No.

We Wine Whenever (10:28.669)
And I don't give a fuck enough about either or any one of them. I just go by what I see.

Wendy (10:32.482)
Right.

Right, right.

Wendy (10:39.404)
Right. I don't think Dorit is innocent in this either. Like, I think Dorit's behavior is horrible. I think that her behavior is horrible. And she, like, stands on, like, this almighty, like, platform. Like, she is this martyr and the only one who's going through something.

We Wine Whenever (10:43.395)
No! No, absolutely not!

We Wine Whenever (10:56.539)
Right, exactly. She's definitely not thinking of anyone else at the moment but herself. But that's why I think I have the hardest time with this whole situation with her and Erica because...

Kelli (10:57.075)
Yeah, I agree with that.

We Wine Whenever (11:14.105)
Erica did the same thing. So you should, you, you of all people should be definitely approaching the situation a little differently and being like, okay, like I know what this is cause I did this. But there's none of that. None of that. She's like a, she's like a jagged edge.

You know, and I really felt like she had come like far with her therapist and, you know, I mean, I like to see an activated Erica, but I don't like to see like, I don't like to see like how she's, how she's, what, how she's being like, it's a little just too, too jagged, a little too sharp, a little too nasty.

Wendy (11:41.58)
No, yeah, she is.

We Wine Whenever (12:07.117)
Even towards the end of the episode, I didn't like seeing Dorit being nasty either. Like, I don't like that.

Kelli (12:12.507)
No, they're definitely getting too cutting with each other. And there's no, it's so interesting to me, there's no empathy for each other, but yet they're all in very similar situations. mean, Erica, quite honestly, Erica's got it the worst because she's got trustees still in her now. you know, Kyle's separated, Doree is separated, you know, Kyle,

We Wine Whenever (12:16.593)
Yeah, it's not good.

We Wine Whenever (12:26.137)
Absolutely.

We Wine Whenever (12:32.221)
Right.

Wendy (12:41.314)
I mean, Erica is separated because she's not divorced. And like you said, she's got trustees coming after her. Right. Right. Rachel is separated.

We Wine Whenever (12:44.528)
Right.

Kelli (12:44.571)
Right, right, he's just gonna die and nothing's gonna happen. But Kyle, although financially stable, Kyle will never have to worry about money where Dorit will. Kyle is clearly not okay with her separation, is clearly still in love with Mo, wants to be with Mo, where Dorit, I think, is way past that point. she, know, PK's a.

We Wine Whenever (13:01.701)
No, she's having a horrible time. I- You can't- Yeah, I felt bad for her and her confessional.

Wendy (13:01.805)
No.

We Wine Whenever (13:11.41)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (13:14.021)
memory, you know, there's no love lost there. So it's different situations, they're all in, like there's no empathy for each other. For three people who were very good friends at one point.

We Wine Whenever (13:14.265)
Yeah. Yep. See you later. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (13:23.363)
No, I mean even Sutton. Right, even Sutton. She's not in a great spot. I mean her husband just had her ex communicated. He's with a friend of hers. I mean her kids going off to college. It's a shit show and they should, it's very sad because you're not doing anything for each other. I don't understand.

Wendy (13:34.872)
Had her marriage annulled? Yeah.

Kelli (13:49.844)
Yeah, right. Like I feel like at this point in all, they're all in very similar places in life. Different but similar. And we should be watching, out of all of them, the only one who was like, I'm going to support her, cause I'm a woman who supports women, is Amanda, who nobody liked this season. She's the only one who did the right thing.

Wendy (13:50.06)
No, I totally agree.

We Wine Whenever (13:59.547)
and all-

We Wine Whenever (14:07.164)
Is Amanda?

Wendy (14:08.558)
Exactly.

We Wine Whenever (14:10.46)
Right.

Right! Meanwhile, she's actually sound insane. Who'd thought? Who'd have thunk?

Kelli (14:17.587)
Yes! Wild.

Wendy (14:19.214)
Who would have thought?

Wendy (14:24.47)
Yeah. And then back at Dorit's party, you know, her kids come out, she hugs her kids, and then she starts giving her speech. And she's like, this cover is the marker of a chapter that I fought very hard to arrive at. This is my memoir. This book is about grace and grit and choosing yourself without apology. Here's to all of us writing our own stories unapologetically. And then they do the unveiling. Yeah, it's fine.

We Wine Whenever (14:51.749)
just good. There's something though, there's something though about reading a speech from a phone that irks me. It irks me and it really quite frankly it was only a couple sentences you could have memorized.

Kelli (14:58.759)
I know.

Kelli (15:05.615)
I agree with you and I don't know why I feel that way. Like I feel like when someone gets up to give a speech and has a piece of paper, they're holding a piece of paper, it's so different than them looking at a phone. Maybe it's our age. Yeah, it must be because I totally agree with you. When Gertie did it on Miami, I was like, aw.

We Wine Whenever (15:06.983)
could have memorised it.

We Wine Whenever (15:16.827)
At the phone, yeah, there's something about it. Maybe because we're old. Could be. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, there's something about it that irks me.

Wendy (15:24.536)
Didn't bother.

We Wine Whenever (15:27.835)
Yeah, it just irks me.

Wendy (15:28.59)
Okay, you know what? It didn't bother me at all. And it's so funny that you say that because I don't know how many years ago it was, but it was when my kids were in CCD and somebody was talking about a person having a phone in church. And they were offended by it and they were offended with them looking at the phone at the church, but they were doing the Stations of the Cross.

and they were reading the Stations of the Cross on their phone in the church. Right?

Kelli (15:59.008)
How?

We Wine Whenever (16:00.253)
Yeah, that makes sense. That doesn't bother me. That doesn't bother me, You're... Right, yeah, but you're involved with yourself. You're, you're, it's not...

Kelli (16:04.351)
That doesn't bother me at all.

Wendy (16:04.736)
See? Right, if you...

But again, if you were involved in the church, if you were a church figure and you see someone on their phone, they didn't know it was the Stations of the Cross. When they found out what it was, that's when they were okay with it. And I think that, like you said, I think probably because the generation, it doesn't bother me because I use my phone as a tool and they've, like I have used my calendar before.

We Wine Whenever (16:23.037)
Right.

Kelli (16:38.459)
I do too. just... I don't know.

Wendy (16:40.674)
But before we even had it, like I had a Palm Pilot. Like I've always used electronics. Like even before there was a smartphone, I wasn't writing stuff down. I was always using electronic. And I think that's probably just, and this generation, that's all they know. They don't know paper.

Kelli (16:55.943)
Yeah, that's all they know.

We Wine Whenever (16:56.977)
I know. Like I said, I don't know why it bothered me. just... Listen. Certain weird things bother me. That's all.

Wendy (17:01.504)
Yeah, I hear what you're saying.

Kelli (17:02.463)
No, I, yeah. No, but I agree, because I remember Gertie did it on Miami and I was like, yeah.

Wendy (17:06.54)
Yeah.

It bothers you.

We Wine Whenever (17:11.141)
And I thought it was just so weird that Kyle is the person who like had the best excuse to not go to Doreen's thing. I just think in general, to me, Kyle had the best excuse not to go.

Wendy (17:21.292)
Well, that's according to Rachel, though. Right? mean, Rachel's the one.

Kelli (17:27.401)
My, yeah, but she was at her niece's garden party jewelry launch. And that was even closer to the wedding than Dorit's party. So.

We Wine Whenever (17:35.377)
This is true. This is true.

Wendy (17:36.93)
But she was not in a, I mean, she wasn't even speaking to Dorit. They hadn't even spoke.

We Wine Whenever (17:40.305)
Great, they're not even speaking. Right. But I don't know if then her and Eric even spoke either. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. But then you're right. She went to the other thing.

Kelli (17:42.943)
Yeah, I thought you were saying it because she was planning her daughter's wedding.

Wendy (17:50.732)
Yeah. So then, I don't know if you caught this, I thought this was hysterical. Rachel and Boze are sitting on the couch and Boze is saying like to Rachel, I've completely copied your look. Like here I am with the middle part and the wavy curl. Like I'm Rachel Boze. And I was like, my God, that is hysterical. And they both start cracking up. I thought that was hysterical.

We Wine Whenever (18:07.133)
That is funny.

We Wine Whenever (18:10.813)
Yeah. It would have been great if Bose would have came in a caftan. Then it would have been... That would have been great. And lots of jewelry would have been good.

Kelli (18:15.859)
Yeah. Yes, it went up.

Wendy (18:15.909)
my gosh, that would have been epic.

Kelli (18:22.558)
Yeah.

Wendy (18:23.95)
Then Dorit, after she does her speech, she thanks Amanda for coming and she says she really appreciates it, which I thought was nice because Amanda didn't have to come and she didn't want to come, but she did. And then Rachel does a toast and she's like, think Boz has something to say. And then Boz flashes her finger with her ring and everyone is so excited for her.

We Wine Whenever (18:33.767)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Kelli (18:52.617)
Yeah, that was nice.

Wendy (18:53.388)
You know, I think that was a good announcement.

We Wine Whenever (18:55.517)
Yeah, it was nice that they made a big deal about it. And you know, it was nice that even though it was Dorit's event, she made time to talk to Rachel about what she had going on. You know, as much as you say, oh, well, Dorit doesn't give a shit about anything that's going on with anybody else. She did make time to, you know, talk to Rachel about what she had going on. She had no problem sharing the event with Bose. So there are, you know, it's like, again.

Kelli (19:06.398)
Yes.

Kelli (19:25.203)
I thought the same thing.

We Wine Whenever (19:25.519)
I see everybody's point, but I don't see any points at all.

Kelli (19:28.637)
Right, right, I agree with you.

We Wine Whenever (19:31.397)
Again, Kathy was really funny when she said about Dreet's book that it's going to be a good long read, like the whole summer. It's great. The whole summer. It's great. Very funny, Kathy.

Wendy (19:38.798)
For the summer. The whole summer. I thought that was hysterical.

Kelli (19:46.633)
She is so funny.

Wendy (19:47.276)
She doesn't even know. She has like no idea even what she like. She has no idea how funny that was.

Kelli (19:49.969)
I know. Maybe she meant it because Dorit talks so damn much, it's gonna be a long book.

We Wine Whenever (19:52.07)
It's great.

Absolutely. Yeah.

Wendy (19:56.398)
Eheh!

Kelli (19:59.424)
That is so funny though. The cover was beautiful. The cover was great.

We Wine Whenever (20:03.133)
Oh, it's beautiful. Now, I have heard people say that, you know, everybody's bitching, oh, would she have this, you know, cover release without a book. But people have said that the book is going to release when they're not filming. So it makes sense for her to do whatever kind of release she can now, even before the book's out, because when the book does come out, they're not going to be filmed.

Wendy (20:03.598)
It was gorgeous. It was stunning.

Wendy (20:28.11)
Get the publicity, absolutely, 100%. It makes sense, totally makes sense.

Kelli (20:31.775)
So she's still writing it, right? Like, she's still in the process of writing it.

Wendy (20:34.796)
Yes, I mean, at the end it says, at the end it said it's coming out in June.

We Wine Whenever (20:40.559)
In June, yeah. Right, right, who knows? But that just made sense when you thought about it that way. was like, okay, that, you know, that makes sense now.

Kelli (20:41.695)
Wendy (20:42.306)
I don't know that that's even true, to be honest with you. We'll see. We'll see what happens at the reunion.

Kelli (20:53.555)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (20:56.106)
Next thing we see is that they're at Farrah's house and they're talking about the wedding and all of Kyle's daughters are there. And then Kyle shows up last and you know, this is when we see after this in the midst of it, we see her in her confessional and she's reflecting on her daughter getting married and Portia's going off to college and.

Like this is a big life moment and she never really thought that this is where her and Mo would be at this point. And this is where she's very emotional. you know, some days she feels strong, other days she's proud of herself, other days she feels scared and she's worried. Listen, I thought in this confessional, I thought she was very vulnerable. I thought she was really speaking from her heart. And honestly,

Kelli (21:42.921)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (21:45.382)
Absolutely.

Wendy (21:47.104)
I really felt for her. I really felt for her.

We Wine Whenever (21:48.897)
yeah, I felt bad for her too. But, this is the problem.

We Wine Whenever (21:55.867)
I had to wait till the last episode to get this from her. I've had to suffer through all the goings on about Doree, blah, blah, blah, blah. And now the last episode, you say something that makes me connect with you or like you or feel like you're bringing anything to the table. The whole season didn't announce the last thing and I'm like...

Wendy (22:01.752)
But.

We Wine Whenever (22:25.949)
Okay, and again, last episode, now Eric is showing the boyfriend. It's like, you didn't show nothing, the whole thing, and now it's the last.

Kelli (22:32.979)
Yep. Yep.

Kelli (22:37.437)
I mean, part of that could be production too, but I totally agree with you. Like you spent the whole season just coming after Dorit. And vice versa, I'm not saying that to make it seem like Dorit didn't do anything wrong. She has been horrific this season. But yeah, I mean, listen, I feel terrible for Kyle. Knock on wood, I never want, you know, she is.

We Wine Whenever (22:49.477)
Yeah, absolutely. Not a side.

We Wine Whenever (23:02.307)
Absolutely, how could you not?

Kelli (23:06.951)
UNHAPPY.

We Wine Whenever (23:09.105)
Yeah, I felt horrible for her.

Kelli (23:10.215)
and Mo is living his best life. And I think Mo was always living his best life. And I think that that's why they're here. Because she said, like, if I'm not being treated the way I should be treated or something. know, something along those lines, right?

We Wine Whenever (23:15.549)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (23:26.446)
She said, when the time is right, like, you'll know when the time is right to pull the plug. And she said, when that moment comes, I will know and I will act on it. And, you know, that makes you think that she's, like, she knows now and she's gonna act on it. But I don't think she's there yet. She's just, I don't think she's there yet because I feel like she's still holding out hope that it can go back the way it was. And...

We Wine Whenever (23:55.366)
Or, or, as she said that we have seen in the upcoming attractions, the agency is hers.

Wendy (24:05.698)
Well it is. Half of it is hers. Half of it is hers.

We Wine Whenever (24:06.801)
Right. So maybe it's all hers. Maybe it's all hers. Maybe she funded it and maybe when she funded it she put a clause in that it would stay hers. So maybe, yes, maybe she's not ready to pull the plug, but maybe that's a shit storm that neither one of them want at the moment, no matter where they are.

Kelli (24:27.113)
Well, that's true because she was the one making the money on the show. We've learned that the husbands don't make any money. Mo was selling real estate for Rick Hilton at the time. So maybe he was paying the bill. You know, maybe they took her housewife money and invested it. Yeah. Who knows?

We Wine Whenever (24:44.519)
Well, who knows? But she said, she didn't say, she wasn't like, I know I'll get half of it because half of it's mine. She was like, well, it's mine.

Wendy (24:47.47)
What the?

Kelli (24:54.653)
Right. Right.

Wendy (24:56.588)
Well, no, I think they said, you get half of it? And she said, I will because it's mine. I think that she is entitled to half of it. There's no reason she wouldn't be. Right. You thought she was saying it's all hers? I didn't get that. I didn't get that.

Kelli (25:06.943)
Well, she's definitely entitled to half, but I got the same impression that she's like, it's mine.

We Wine Whenever (25:10.557)
that I think it's hers. I think it's hers. I think she fronted the money. I think she fronted the money. And I think she put something in there that said it was always gonna be hers. And he was like, okay, because he's still making money. That's just the vibe that I got. And you know what?

Kelli (25:14.951)
I mean, just the way she said it.

Kelli (25:30.343)
And Kathy was like, does he know that?

Wendy (25:36.002)
Listen, if that's the case, then good for her. I didn't get that impression, but we'll have to see how that whole thing plays out. think, listen, the clip we saw from the first, for the reunion, I think it looks amazing. I think we're gonna find out a lot.

We Wine Whenever (25:38.95)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah, I'd say I play that, yeah.

Kelli (25:49.055)
The reunion's gonna be better than the whole damn season.

We Wine Whenever (25:53.437)
And you know what I thought was not nice of Portia? I didn't think it was nice to tease her and tell her she was gonna room and have to sleep in the same bed or the same room as Mo. And I did not think it was nice when she said, mom, you can't wait to snuggle up with that. I didn't think that was nice at all. I didn't. I was like, yeah, it was.

Wendy (25:54.136)
Probably.

Wendy (26:02.507)
No, I agree.

Wendy (26:19.032)
She's a 17 year old girl. She's a 17 year old girl. Just think about that. I mean, that's what 17 year old daughters do, right? They are kind of snarky, right? I mean, not that I know, not that I have one, I mean, right?

We Wine Whenever (26:23.781)
Yeah, it was just, it was not nice.

yeah, absolutely. they're absolutely snarky. Yeah, but you're totally right, absolutely. But I'm just saying, I had to call her out on it because I was like, girl.

Wendy (26:38.496)
No, it wasn't nice, it wasn't nice.

Kelli (26:39.551)
I mean the teasing is one thing, if they know how Kyle feels, like we're all looking at it and we're like, she is, you know, sad.

We Wine Whenever (26:45.159)
Come on. Listen, how could how could they not know? How could they not? Come on.

Wendy (26:52.174)
Did you see the look on Kyle's face when she said that?

We Wine Whenever (26:54.543)
Yeah, it was not nice. At all.

Wendy (26:58.39)
And listen, I mean, in Portia's defense, she's not the one who started it. Alexia started it, right? Alexia, I know, I know. It's not cool, not cool.

Kelli (27:03.943)
No, she's not right. Yes.

We Wine Whenever (27:05.669)
Well, I'm just any of them, any of them to say anything. It's just not nice. No.

Wendy (27:14.254)
Next thing we see is Dorit goes over to Rachel's house and they're talking about the unveiling party and the whole conversation is about the three of them that weren't there.

And this is where Rachel says she understood why Kyle wasn't there. But of course, Dorit doesn't understand that because of the friendship. And at this point, she wants to talk to her at Kathy's party, because Kathy's having this party for her daughter, Nikki, who's launching her jewelry line.

Wendy (27:52.704)
I do like Nikki's jewelry line, by the way. I like all that Bumblebee stuff. I think it's cute. really think her...

Kelli (27:55.123)
Ugh.

Kelli (27:59.238)
I loved it and I loved the name Theo Grace because when I was pregnant with Tess, I mean, I always wanted her named after my Nana, but Theo and Tia were two names that I love.

Wendy (28:04.28)
Theo Graced.

We Wine Whenever (28:04.433)
The Theograce.

We Wine Whenever (28:17.831)
Nice.

Kelli (28:18.312)
I love that name Theo.

Wendy (28:18.37)
Yeah, I liked the name of her jewelry line. I love her jewelry line. I actually really like her daughter. I like both of her daughters to be quite honest with you, but I really do like Nikki. I love seeing the whole scene where Nikki's sitting there getting her hair and makeup done along with Cathy and they're looking outside. The party's gonna be starting soon and Cathy goes on her little thing like, you know, when you're planning a party like this, like you need to think of everything when planning like.

No one's gonna do it like you. There's the valet parking, there's the flowers, there's the candles, there's the right lighting, there's the menu, the helpers, the waiters, the bartenders, making sure that there's toilet paper. I was like, my gosh, only Cathy Hilton, right?

Kelli (29:02.053)
No, no, Laurie, no, when you're working a party like that, for sure, that's absolutely what you do.

Wendy (29:05.438)
I know, right. Right. But I- Right.

We Wine Whenever (29:09.213)
Well hostessing, listen, hostessing is an art. Being a good hostess is an art and she is, she's queen of it. Absolutely.

Wendy (29:16.726)
Right. She's queen of it. And the fact that she is Kathy Hilton and that she knows all the deets, and those were her words, the deets. The fact that Kathy Hilton said all these things, mentioned the toilet paper and said, like, if the deets aren't perfect, I'm not going to have a good time. Like, that is who she is to her core, which is one of the reasons I really like her because she, one, because she's hysterical, two, because she's

We Wine Whenever (29:24.796)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (29:44.319)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (29:44.684)
wealthy AF and she doesn't she could have people doing this for her but in her mind they would never do it like she does it because she knows what she wants and when she spoke to when she spoke to the her butler about his tie and how she got him a bow tie and she spoke to the event planner and next time I don't want all the same flower arrangements it looks too much like a charity event

We Wine Whenever (29:53.053)
Absolutely.

Kelli (30:04.959)
You

Wendy (30:12.982)
Like she is in every part of that party, but when you see her at the party, you don't know that that's what's going on. Like you don't know what, you know what I'm saying? She does it so effortlessly. She really does. She does. And even Erica said, like, nobody throws a party like Kathy Hilton, not even Kris Jenner.

We Wine Whenever (30:24.455)
Right. Yes.

Kelli (30:28.115)
Yeah, yeah.

Kelli (30:38.505)
You know, it's so funny to me because, Erica, you know, Erica, when Cathy first came on the scene, Erica was so like, I don't care, I don't need to go to Cathy Hilton's parties. She was so like, she was like too cool. And now she's like, nobody does it like Cathy does it. Like, whoo, look who fell in line.

We Wine Whenever (31:00.027)
Mm hmm.

Kelli (31:05.137)
Once that Tom Girardi money dried up, somebody fell right in line. I mean, listen, whatever you do, you, I would love to go to a Kathy Hilton party. I would never act like I was too cool to go to a Kathy Hilton party, but she did.

Wendy (31:21.368)
my God. I would love to go to a Kathy Hilton party. And I'm so glad to hear you say that, Kelly, because I know how much you did not like Kathy Hilton.

Kelli (31:26.441)
for sure.

Kelli (31:31.837)
I didn't, I love her now.

Wendy (31:33.966)
I know! I feel like I brought you over to my side and that doesn't happen often.

Kelli (31:37.167)
I know and I, know. I, you know what it is? I always looked at, I always thought she was very manipulative with Kyle.

I don't know. Maybe because I'm not a fan of Kyle that much anymore.

Wendy (31:52.93)
I think she's very motherly. Well, yeah, I mean, you're not a fan. You're not a fan.

We Wine Whenever (31:55.953)
Well there you may be.

Kelli (31:58.888)
Listen, I think that those girls were I think that those girls were raised a certain way by their mother And it wasn't any any way the three of us were raised by our mothers and I think that there are There is definitely some dysfunction amongst the sisters Yeah, but you know what? That's none of my damn business and I think Kathy Hilton is very entertaining now

Wendy (32:07.032)
They were.

Wendy (32:11.917)
Right, no.

We Wine Whenever (32:16.495)
Almost deaf.

We Wine Whenever (32:25.853)
Yes.

Wendy (32:26.988)
I'm so glad that you came to my side.

Kelli (32:29.565)
Yeah, I do.

Wendy (32:34.168)
So on the way over to Cathy's house, Rachel, Erica, and Kyle are in the car together and they're all talking about Rachel saying, you know, we were talking about you guys, meeting her in Dorite, like, you know, why you weren't there. And Rachel said to Erica, you know, like you didn't even call. And Erica said, yeah, like why should I? She called me and effing see you next Tuesday, which is really, really what bothered her. And she's like,

Save that word for Camille Grammer. I was like, wait, why do we need to throw Camille Grammer onto the bus here seriously?

Kelli (33:06.111)
That's the thing, like, Erica throws that word around all the time, but now it bothers you because somebody's calling you it? okay. Interesting, right?

We Wine Whenever (33:09.607)
all the time.

Wendy (33:11.566)
Mm-hmm.

It does. It does bother her. It does bother her.

We Wine Whenever (33:18.023)
So another thing that's bothered me, and Dorit even said it, is the punishment's not fitting the crime. Like, I know that Dorit's been obnoxious. I know that she's maybe not listening. I know that she's maybe not considering other people's goings on.

Wendy (33:26.136)
Yep.

We Wine Whenever (33:41.265)
But I haven't seen anything.

That's so horrible that, especially with Erica, I'm just like, what, like.

Kelli (33:54.794)
I know. Now it's that one conversation they had in Italy. Like the rest of the season, everything was okay. It's that one conversation they had.

We Wine Whenever (33:55.997)
I'm just a little confused.

Wendy (34:06.146)
I think what really set Erica off was, besides the See You Next Tuesday, was when she said that the only one that was there for her was Bose, and she was there for her more than everyone here combined. I think that really hit Erica hard. It really hit her hard, and she really took offense to that. She did.

We Wine Whenever (34:06.694)
I don't know.

Kelli (34:21.033)
That is true.

Yeah.

Kelli (34:29.191)
And she's right, because last year at the beginning of the season, remember, she was the only one who sat down with Dorie and let Dorie talk about how she and PK were separated and all that. Which is another sign of proof that Kyle has just been on PK's side since the beginning. Well, whatever. Whatever.

Wendy (34:37.58)
Yeah, yeah. And I think, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (34:53.755)
Yeah, who knows? Who knows?

Kelli (34:53.929)
But yeah, but that is insulting to Erica and it's not factual. What Dorit said is not factual.

We Wine Whenever (35:02.951)
Right.

Wendy (35:03.352)
Well, that's the thing. that's honestly that like, I feel like in Erica's mind, that was a shot to her personally. Like she took offense to that. Even though she made it a blanket statement about everybody, she said everybody. She's like, Boz was here for me more than everyone combined. To Erica, that was specifically meant for her. Even though it wasn't, that's how she took it.

We Wine Whenever (35:17.394)
Right.

Wendy (35:32.334)
I'm sure you guys saw Heather McDonald was there. So Heather McDonald talks about this all the time. Like she talks about her connections with the Hiltons and with the Jenners and all these parties that she goes to. It is what it is. She grew up there. Like these are her people. If we grew up there, maybe these would be our people too.

Kelli (35:37.363)
Yes.

Kelli (35:52.573)
Yeah. Yep. Right.

Wendy (36:01.666)
Denise Richards is there for a little bit of time.

I thought it was funny when Jennifer Tilly comes in and she asked if these drinks were alcoholic and they're like, no, they're matcha. And she's like, no, but Amanda's like, matcha, yeah, I'll take a matcha. Like she was all over that.

We Wine Whenever (36:17.465)
I'll take a mantra. Yeah, let's all learn from that.

Kelli (36:19.273)
She was, but she didn't ask if it was like ceremonial grade and remember? Unless she just assumed since she was at Kathy Hilton's house, it was ceremonial grade.

Wendy (36:23.278)
milk, right.

We Wine Whenever (36:23.727)
No, she didn't. No, no, no, she just drank it.

That was kind of it. Yeah, yeah, Yeah.

Wendy (36:30.848)
It had to be ceremonial grade. And then when Cathy and Nikki are taking pictures and Cathy is trying to get her smile right so she starts screaming.

Kelli (36:32.639)
Right.

Kelli (36:44.851)
And Kyle knew it right away. She's like, that's my sister.

Wendy (36:45.102)
Yes!

We Wine Whenever (36:48.412)
Yeah.

Wendy (36:48.707)
And like she's echoing and Nikki's like, mom, you gotta stop. It was so funny.

We Wine Whenever (36:57.051)
Well, you know, of course production made that. The production put the echo in and hold it. Yeah, but it was funny.

Kelli (37:00.765)
Yeah, way louder.

Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (37:06.929)
So do you think that Rachel's right when she says it's not what you're saying, it's how you're saying it? Yeah.

Wendy (37:12.27)
Definitely, definitely. I do.

Kelli (37:13.309)
Yeah, I think that's most case, I think that's most, you know, always the case when two people are having any kind of indifference a lot, maybe not every time, but a lot of the time that's, you know, I mean, I know I can get snarky, I can get snappy, I can be biting, you know. So yeah, I think she was absolutely right. Listen, Dorie is like, Kyle shuts me down.

We Wine Whenever (37:30.619)
Right, right, right, right.

Kelli (37:43.092)
Whenever I try to explain myself. Okay, listen, Dorit, you're doing the same thing. It's like they're doing the same thing to each other and quite honestly, I think Dorit does it way more than Kyle does it. I don't think Kyle wants to hear what Dorit is saying, but she's not cutting, Dorit's cutting you off.

We Wine Whenever (37:51.431)
to each other.

We Wine Whenever (38:02.683)
yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

Wendy (38:05.878)
Yeah. Then we see Erica does the FaceTime with John and the people that are sitting around her get to meet John. is that what it was? Yeah, I thought, yeah.

Kelli (38:15.889)
eyes over. Did you hear that?

We Wine Whenever (38:17.906)
yeah. I was like, I thought it was Joe, to be honest. What about Joe? Yeah. Joe can play that though.

Kelli (38:23.295)
Could have been either one. Yeah.

Wendy (38:23.97)
It was kind of high pitched. It was kind of high pitched.

Jennifer Tilly excuses herself because she's got this Louis Vuitton thing that she already had planned. Beaux and Dorit are the last to arrive and of course they reference the lady sitting there as the lion's den. I think that was a little bit much.

Kelli (38:31.295)
For sure.

We Wine Whenever (38:51.387)
Well, I...

Kelli (38:51.507)
Well, especially when Dorit's like, I won't even call them lions, they're cowards.

We Wine Whenever (38:56.589)
It's it's Dorit projecting. That's what Dorit thinks. She's manifesting something is gonna happen, because that's what she thinks is gonna happen. So that's why she's saying that, because that's how she sees it. Which is not a good way to walk in any situation, because you're just setting yourself up for failure. But I think that's a very good indication right there of just what her mindset is all the time.

Kelli (39:14.781)
No, no.

Wendy (39:14.974)
No, absolutely not.

We Wine Whenever (39:25.317)
She thinks everybody's attacking her. They're out to get her.

Wendy (39:28.088)
They're out to get her.

And she goes right to the bar and orders a quadruple. Well, that's not gonna go well. That's not gonna help.

Kelli (39:36.093)
Yeah, that's right. Exactly. You might want to pump the brakes on that quadruple for the love of God.

Wendy (39:42.178)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (39:43.483)
And I've seen some quite a few posts about her roots. are like, she got about six weeks worth of roots going. She's broke. I was laughing. Yeah, I laughing. was like, okay.

Wendy (39:48.632)
Really?

Kelli (39:49.261)
really?

Kelli (39:55.192)
It's always a telltale sign

Wendy (39:55.628)
That's funny. That's so funny.

Wendy (40:03.054)
Faye Resnick shows up, Farrah, Kyle's daughter shows up, Nikki Haskell, and Kathy's like, everyone knows Nikki Haskell. I mean, it's funny, because I've seen her around, but I don't really know who Nikki Haskell is. Do you guys know who she is?

We Wine Whenever (40:19.343)
She's a lady from Beverly Hills who has had a lot of surgery.

Kelli (40:26.281)
whose face doesn't move. Yeah.

Wendy (40:26.336)
yeah, and she's got weight, a lot of money. Yeah, she's got a lot of money. She reminds me of the woman from my West Palm Beach, Members Only Palm Beach. The one that we saw in the background. I can't remember her name. Sue, Sue something, right?

We Wine Whenever (40:27.229)
That's your face.

That's where she is.

Kelli (40:38.27)
Members only.

Kelli (40:45.311)
If you had two Sue Bell.

Wendy (40:49.143)
Sue Bell.

Kelli (40:50.719)
Sue Bell. Absolutely. I honestly thought it was her for a minute.

Wendy (40:52.142)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (40:52.967)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Wendy (40:55.318)
Yes, yes. Then we see, Kyle's, know, Dorit comes over and Kyle says to Dorit, you know, she sits down, she's like, I heard your event was a success, you know, the other night. She said, yeah, it was really great. And Kyle's like, you know, I hope it's a big success. You know, I'm sure it will be. Then Kathy comes over and sits down, like being the awkward Kathy that she is.

We Wine Whenever (41:20.935)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (41:24.62)
And then Kyle says, you know, can I say something, Doreen? And she said, yeah, sure. She's like, I know you were hurt the other night at your event. And she said, yeah, deeply. And she's like, well, like, even though things like with us, like we weren't great, like we'd been struggling, honestly. Like, even if we weren't, like, why am I killing myself to come there? Like, when you're not even talking to me, like, I don't even know, like, if you're going to want me there. We haven't spoken. And Doreen said, well, it's okay.

Like you both made a choice. No, all three of you made a choice. And then she, you know, puts out that statement.

We Wine Whenever (42:01.201)
Which they did.

Kelli (42:02.687)
They did.

Wendy (42:02.828)
Yeah, no, they did. They absolutely did.

We Wine Whenever (42:04.605)
They did. Which they did. And you know the whole thing with Erica is, I don't know, like she says she's trying to like make a point, but are you trying to make a point or are you trying to punish somebody? They're two different things.

Kelli (42:20.969)
Well, she said to Bose, I got her attention now.

Wendy (42:26.21)
Well, and she said it to Dorit too. She said it to Dorit also. But Kyle does point out to her, know, in Italy, my feelings were hurt too. You I've always been there for you. And she starts naming it. I was there with the Lucy. I was there with the burglary. I was there when people were accusing you of the fake accent. I came every single time. I always had your back. And Dorit's response is like, well, yeah, but what about my, like, let's talk about the last three years. Okay. So then all the,

We Wine Whenever (42:28.4)
Right.

Wendy (42:56.138)
other times she supported you doesn't count? Like, I get where I, like, we argue about this one thing, there's one thing of contention. I don't know, I feel like she's discounting everything that cut.

Kelli (43:11.387)
I really, yeah, she shouldn't be doing that. She definitely shouldn't be doing that.

We Wine Whenever (43:15.801)
No, and she shouldn't be doing that with Erica either.

Kelli (43:19.257)
No, but I do think it comes down to what Kyle said about Dorit's well-being and how it could hurt her divorce and her custody. I think that's what is.

We Wine Whenever (43:35.101)
Well, think that's the main thing for Dorit, I think.

That's where she's like, I'm not having it. I'm not doing it. I, cause I think that is the thing.

Kelli (43:50.259)
Right.

Kelli (43:53.96)
And so when she says to you have supported me more than anyone, I think that's what she's talking about. I don't agree with her saying that. I don't like that she said that. But I think that that's what she's referring to when she says to Bose, you've supported me more than anyone else because Bose doesn't know PK and doesn't wanna know PK and thinks PK is a piece of garbage and yeah, exactly. So, you know.

We Wine Whenever (44:02.055)
Mm-mm.

We Wine Whenever (44:18.737)
POS. Right.

Wendy (44:19.094)
Right. Right. Right. Right.

We Wine Whenever (44:22.439)
Cause that is the

Kelli (44:24.039)
And right now that's who Doreen wants to be near, people who think that about PK.

We Wine Whenever (44:27.995)
Right. Because that is, I think that is the main problem. And that's, if I have any defense of Dorit at all, it is in that, is that somebody who cares about you should not be saying things like that on national television when you are in the midst of a divorce. Like to me, if you're my friend, even if I am being a bitch, even if we're not getting along.

even if I'm late all the time, even if I blah, blah, blah, blah. If I'm in the middle of a divorce and you're saying that I'm erratic, that I'm not dependable, that I'm unhinged, like if you're putting that out there.

Kelli (45:14.995)
I'm spending too much money.

We Wine Whenever (45:16.783)
and I'm not financially responsible. That to me is like, that's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Like, be pissed at me all you want. But when you're saying things like that and you're saying them to everyone in the cast, whether everyone in the cast agrees or not. And I really only saw maybe two times, I think, where people were like,

Kelli (45:21.534)
damaging.

Kelli (45:25.246)
Right.

Right.

We Wine Whenever (45:46.555)
Yeah, you know, that is a little worrisome, but no one is worried to the extent that Kyle is worried.

And somewhere there, the math is not math-ing for me. Either Kyle is really mad at her about something else that we don't know about. I don't know what it is, but to me, the math is not math.

Kelli (45:56.445)
Right.

Right.

Kelli (46:08.871)
No, I agree. Why is Kyle so jacked up over how much money DeRee is spending? Who cares?

We Wine Whenever (46:14.489)
or if she's late or if she's scatterbrained it

Kelli (46:18.067)
The read's always been late.

Like even Sutton said that's divorce brain. it's, did Kyle's, her...

Wendy (46:26.616)
So.

Kelli (46:31.461)
obsession with Dorit this season. It's odd. It's odd.

We Wine Whenever (46:36.477)
Yeah, I don't get it.

Wendy (46:36.716)
And then it's interesting because I think about it because then Dorit said to her, like, every conversation it's initiated by you or you're involved in it. And I wonder, because Kyle keeps saying, like, that's not true. Like, I'm not the only one saying this. And I wonder if that is, in fact, the case or if that's what production is showing us. Because Kyle continues to say, like, I'm not the only one who's seeing this. I'm not the only one who's saying this.

Kelli (47:05.981)
And she asks, she's like, can somebody please say something?

Wendy (47:09.292)
She did, she said that, she did. then, well, Erica did. No, Erica said...

We Wine Whenever (47:10.809)
Anybody say anything?

Kelli (47:12.829)
Not really.

Wendy (47:19.732)
Erica said, Kyle said, it's not true. said, can anyone jump? Dorit said, you were gossiping. Erica said, I don't think it's gossiping. And then Sutton said, I don't think it's gossip either. And then Dorit said, like.

Kelli (47:31.293)
Right, but they didn't say, they didn't say, yes, we are, right, we agree with Kyle.

We Wine Whenever (47:34.278)
Zane, yeah, you're fucked up. We're concerned that you're erratic. We're concerned that you're not financially responsible. We're concerned that you're OCD. Nobody else.

Kelli (47:41.053)
Right.

Kelli (47:44.829)
Nobody said that. They just said, we don't think it's gossiping.

Wendy (47:49.176)
They did. again, I wonder, like, because Kyle is standing strong on this, like I'm not the only one that's bringing this up. I wonder if that's true or if she's just, you know, it could be editing. Like we could see that that's like everyone else is talking about it too. And we're not seeing that. I don't know. I don't know. Because, you know, there is a point.

Kelli (48:10.783)
Could be. It could be.

We Wine Whenever (48:13.543)
But you think production would make Kyle look bad like that on purpose?

Kelli (48:17.553)
As I'm saying, that would be production doing Kyle dirty.

Wendy (48:17.898)
I do. No, but I do because in the reunion we see a scene where Dorit says that, you know, everyone's doing this because Kyle controls the show. you know, Andy says, Andy's shocked by that and Kyle is shocked by that. So does Kyle control the show? I mean, does she have that much power?

Kelli (48:42.084)
Andy acting surprised doesn't have any effect. Andy's just as much of an actor as the rest of them.

We Wine Whenever (48:48.631)
No correlation to anything. As everybody else.

Wendy (48:48.75)
Do you really think?

Wendy (48:52.92)
Do you really think one housewife has that much control?

We Wine Whenever (48:59.143)
I think that she's been on the show. No, yeah, I think that it's, I think that that's possible, absolutely. Yeah.

Wendy (48:59.704)
Do you? I mean, I'm being serious, do you?

Kelli (49:02.335)
Kyle, Kyle, yeah.

Wendy (49:08.93)
Why, you don't think there could be a Beverly Hills without Kyle?

We Wine Whenever (49:12.453)
No, I think that there definitely could. Absolutely there could be. But I just think she's been on that show for a long time. I think her sister is very wealthy and very influential. And even though Cathy Hilton is only just a friend of, it's important for Bravo that Cathy Hilton be on that show. It's important.

Kelli (49:13.022)
I mean.

Kelli (49:32.925)
And bottom line is Andy likes her. It's just like Teresa. Andy likes her. Like, you know, Alexia. Andy likes her.

We Wine Whenever (49:41.116)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (49:43.928)
Yeah, but Miami's on pause.

Kelli (49:46.855)
Right, it's not because, know, Alexia was never getting let go. There are certain housewives that I don't think Andy would ever let go.

Wendy (49:53.516)
Well, I mean...

Wendy (49:58.904)
I mean, Todd was suing Bravo and Alexia is back with Todd. I mean, that's a big deal.

That's a big deal. Do you think Alexia has that much power?

Kelli (50:16.531)
I don't think anybody on Miami has that much power. But I think that there are certain, Candy, Candy Burris, Andy never would have let Candy go. Candy left on her own accord. Andy loved Candy. There are just certain housewives that Andy, you know, but I personally think what Laurie said is 100 % right. think having Paris, I think in the beginning of Beverly Hills, having Paris Hilton's aunt on the show.

Wendy (50:30.412)
Yeah, I mean.

We Wine Whenever (50:45.597)
She was a big draw. It's a big draw. Absolutely.

Kelli (50:45.917)
was very salacious. And now we have Cathy as a friend of? Absolutely, yep. I think maybe Kyle's not deciding who stays and who goes, but they're certainly gonna keep people on the show who have a good rapport with Kyle.

We Wine Whenever (50:52.317)
It's a big draw. It's a big draw.

We Wine Whenever (51:07.971)
Absolutely. I think that's true.

Kelli (51:09.745)
And Sutton doesn't need this show. Sutton doesn't need the paycheck, obviously. But what Sutton does want is to be in good graces with the Richard Sisters.

We Wine Whenever (51:23.877)
Yep, so that's exactly it.

But definitely towards the end of the show, definitely Dorit got super nasty.

Kelli (51:36.831)
Oh, 100%. Absolutely.

We Wine Whenever (51:38.735)
Super, super nasty. Like, uncalled for.

But know Sutton was trying to have a towards the end.

Kelli (51:51.85)
This is my struggle with Sutton. I feel, yeah, like why? I don't, like is she trying to bring main character energy? To me she just doesn't have it. But it wasn't hitting at all.

We Wine Whenever (52:03.214)
No, it's not hitting.

Mm-mm.

Kelli (52:08.799)
But listen, it wasn't the best season of Beverly Hills. So let's just hope that the reunion pulls it all together.

We Wine Whenever (52:15.878)
No.

We Wine Whenever (52:25.073)
I just don't like seeing women, grown ass women, being like nasty like that. Like, I don't...

I don't want to see that.

Kelli (52:37.929)
Well, listen, we have all had situations in our lives where we've probably lost our shit.

None of it is is as as frivolous as what this is except that except that What Kyle has said about Dorit could affect her custody and divorce That would get me extremely jacked up and get a very harsh reaction out of me Dorit calling

We Wine Whenever (53:03.025)
right.

We Wine Whenever (53:08.337)
Yeah. And I think that's what part of Dorit's broom riding is. The part of her bitch, her being a bitch is that. She's like, what the fuck? Like, how could you even possibly insinuate that when I am in this type of situation with my divorce that you would say, you know.

Kelli (53:21.127)
Yes, I agree.

Kelli (53:39.016)
But Dorit calling Erica, you know, see you next Tuesday, Dorit saying, Boz has, you know, been there more than, it's like, we're really gonna get this nasty over these things? You know, I'm sorry to hear you say that. I'm sorry you don't feel that I've supported you as much as Boz. Like, they're all being very nasty to each other.

We Wine Whenever (53:47.847)
Been there more, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (54:00.957)
Right.

very nasty and I don't like seeing that. I don't like seeing women be so nasty to each other. Especially like we said, they're all in precarious situations themselves when they could use the support of maybe if they're not even friends, you could certainly use the support of your coworkers. But I just feel like Dorie got really nasty at the end with Sutton and that was not called for.

Kelli (54:06.662)
Now!

Kelli (54:13.927)
Right.

Kelli (54:22.473)
Right.

Kelli (54:29.363)
I do feel like Sutton doesn't let it go though. Like, I don't know. But you know what? Yes, yes, exactly. Sutton let the mouse go. But then I also in a way feel sorry for her because she's not over her divorce and she just took her youngest child across the world to leave him for college. So I do feel bad for her too.

We Wine Whenever (54:34.169)
Isn't Sun the one who said let the mouse go or whatever that shit she said?

We Wine Whenever (54:55.197)
Absolutely. No one can communicate. No one can communicate. Yes, no one can communicate.

Kelli (54:58.143)
They're all in very, they're all in very vulnerable positions. Right, right.

Wendy (55:04.767)
None of them communicate. so then it kind of wraps up at the end where we hear like, is Dorit invited to the wedding? Is Dorit going to the wedding? And Kyle's like, well, she's invited. And we find out that Dorit did go to, in the end, Dorit did show up for Alexia's wedding, but Kyle and Dorit have not spoken since.

While Kyle and Mo did not end up sharing a room at the wedding, neither are ready to pull the trigger on divorce.

Okay. Rachel, while the boy's relationship with Roger has been improving lately, Rachel's divorce is still pending with no end in sight. She's been debuting a new romance on the red carpet of Beverly Hills, not by the valet stand, so good for her.

Kelli (55:57.235)
Yeah, I know, I saw that.

We Wine Whenever (55:59.326)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Wendy (56:01.321)
Erica is set to start her $25 million trial in April of 2026, which is right now. Things are looking up though. Erica is very happy in her relationship with John and her new DJ career as DJ Pretty Mess. All right.

We Wine Whenever (56:16.699)
Everybody's a DJ. Everybody's a DJ.

Kelli (56:16.701)
God, she's becoming a DJ too. my God, it's literally like the new midlife crisis, like instead of buying a new Corvette. I did read that the trustees lawsuit against Erica may be a last ditch effort to recover for the victims.

We Wine Whenever (56:23.791)
Absolutely. Yes, you do,

Wendy (56:24.277)
It is. It is. It 100 % is.

Wendy (56:40.736)
Okay.

Kelli (56:42.099)
So it doesn't necessarily mean that, you know, so this might just be protocol is what I'm saying. Like, when I first heard it, I was like, well, they must know something. They must know that there's money somewhere or something. So that's not necessarily true. This might just be protocol for them to do their due diligence to try to recover something for the victims.

We Wine Whenever (56:52.381)
All right.

We Wine Whenever (57:02.299)
Right. And I did see a clip from, who's that? Does the podcast, Teddy and Tamar, some shit, right? So, that Dorit was at the wedding and that Teddy said that she was really loud during the ceremony while they were waiting for the bride and groom to come down. And they made this announcement to not, they requested that people not take any pictures or video.

Wendy (57:10.835)
Mm-hmm. Two T's.

We Wine Whenever (57:31.345)
during the ceremony and Doreen got her phone out.

So that's not good.

Kelli (57:37.834)
feel like Teddy should just not be commenting on this. I mean, I guess that's not necessarily about the show. That's just in general, she was saying it, but she's very biased, Teddy, let's face it. She's Kyle's BFF. Yeah, but if that's true, that's very messed up. But I mean, don't they take phones at these events?

Wendy (57:38.135)
there's.

We Wine Whenever (57:41.091)
Mm, a little too close to it, right?

We Wine Whenever (57:50.415)
Mm, a little too close to the situation.

We Wine Whenever (57:56.603)
That's very rude, yeah.

Wendy (57:57.716)
It is messy.

We Wine Whenever (58:00.446)
I don't know. You would think they would. You would think they would. Yeah. So did you watch, watch what happened? No, did you watch the after show? No, I didn't get to watch it either.

Wendy (58:00.727)
Apparently not. Apparently they didn't, right?

Wendy (58:12.235)
No.

So the next bit was, Bo's plans to have one more round of IVF while planning her two weddings on two different continents. She and Keely are still searching for their new home, but Keely's yet to get his own drawer. Okay.

Kelli (58:29.353)
Yeah, like you're gonna buy a house with this man, but you won't even give him a drawer in the house you have now. But come on, Boz.

Wendy (58:35.895)
Sutton is working on me making Sutton Brown official and keeping her zen mentally and keeping away from vodka. I like this while she struggles with her empty nest Sutton finds solace in her gang of pets and Reba. All right, if that's what's gonna work for you.

Kelli (58:56.713)
Didn't she have vodka when Erica went over the night of Dorie's? I was gonna say. I mean, listen, I'm not judging her. Because I personally don't think Sutton has a drinking problem. I think that, so she's fine. But I was like, wait a minute, when I heard that, I'm like, I'm pretty sure she drank vodka when Erica went over there.

We Wine Whenever (58:58.705)
She did. I clocked that too. was like, no, absolutely.

Wendy (59:01.488)
She did. No, no, she did.

Wendy (59:07.507)
No, but... yeah.

We Wine Whenever (59:08.805)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (59:12.651)
Yeah, and she's got a very good pour. She's got a generous pour. She's got a generous pour. I was surprised by the next one. Amanda and Eddie legally tied the knot in a civil service on 9-9-2025. Amanda still plans to have an extravagant wedding in October. In the meantime, she's manifesting a bestseller for her new self-published book, Godly AF.

We Wine Whenever (59:16.101)
Yes, she does. Very generous. Yes.

Kelli (59:16.529)
Yes. Yes.

We Wine Whenever (59:38.205)
AF.

Kelli (59:40.029)
I don't like that at all.

Wendy (59:41.874)
I don't either.

Kelli (59:45.085)
I don't like that at all.

Wendy (59:45.429)
I don't either.

Wendy (59:49.897)
And then the whole thing, but like.

Kelli (59:50.419)
I don't think that's gonna be a good manifestation for you, girl.

Wendy (59:54.647)
So then the whole thing was what you guys talked about like the Dorit and Sutton thing and then we get to the next one is Dorit's book is set to release in June of 2026 while her divorce is still pending. She lost dead weight in both her relationship and her friendships and loves being unburdened.

We Wine Whenever (01:00:14.749)
Hmm.

Kelli (01:00:15.209)
Yeah.

Wendy (01:00:16.491)
But I will tell you this, I feel like if PK said, Dorit, let's give it another try, I think she would be like, okay, PK, let's go.

Kelli (01:00:26.111)
Do you?

Wendy (01:00:27.543)
I do. I do. I do.

Kelli (01:00:29.695)
See, I don't.

I don't because he's not the breadwinner. He can't possibly be. I think she's doing fine on her own and eugh, look at him.

Wendy (01:00:44.833)
She likes that type. She said that. She likes that type. I don't know what we're gonna call that type, but that's the type she likes.

We Wine Whenever (01:00:55.291)
Yeah, who knows? Who knows what anybody would do, you know?

Wendy (01:00:55.908)
I think she would take it back. Yeah, I think she would take it back.

We Wine Whenever (01:01:00.669)
And it was interesting to see the hub of what we talked about a little bit last time with Rachel Zoe's...

Kelli (01:01:10.117)
Ugh, the ex-girl- I mean the girlfriend.

We Wine Whenever (01:01:10.695)
Soon to be exes. Girlfriend thing, yeah. I don't know, everything's just so messy. I just can't take it. I just can't take it.

Kelli (01:01:14.131)
Yeah.

Wendy (01:01:14.294)
Yeah.

Wendy (01:01:19.946)
It is messy.

Kelli (01:01:20.051)
Well, it's interesting that that woman came out and basically said, we were her storyline. And she's putting out a certain narrative, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (01:01:26.737)
Yeah, it's just, it's just messy.

It's just everything's just messy.

So I don't know. We'll see.

Wendy (01:01:36.363)
Alright, so we're looking forward to the reunion. We're probably gonna get three parts and we'll be here to recap it, right? Alright. Until next time, thank you for watching and listening. Please subscribe and give us five star reviews. Bye.

Kelli (01:01:43.923)
Yep, for sure.

Kelli (01:01:53.705)
Bye.

We Wine Whenever (01:01:54.044)
Bye.