RHOBH-Crystals, Consistency, and Side-Eye

Wendy (00:01.102)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever, I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:04.547)
I'm Kelly.

Wendy (00:07.246)
We are talking about Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, season 15, episode four, Housewives Heatwave. Yeah, I mean, it's not a bad title considering it was so hot where they were at in Sedona.

Kelli (00:24.282)
That's what I was trying to think, like where they ended up. Yeah, and they were all saying how hot it was. Cause somebody said it's 107 degrees or something like that.

Wendy (00:30.114)
Yeah.

Wendy (00:33.486)
Yeah, yeah. I guess it gets hot there. So we start out with Lael is driving or like learning to drive the Porsche with the Bose in the front seat and her cousin Tina is in the back seat. Listen, it's not easy driving to begin with, let alone to be 17 and learning to drive a Porsche. I mean, I don't know. Yes.

Kelli (00:36.932)
Yeah.

Kelli (00:57.262)
And in that area, like unless they were staying on residential streets because obviously LA is a very congested place to drive, which so is Jersey. But I think LA, I mean, hopefully she wasn't like in the middle of it where people are commuting and.

Wendy (01:06.669)
Yeah.

Wendy (01:14.476)
I know, I just thought my nerves would be shot too. Like, because I kind of remember in Orange County, was it Orange County? Wasn't Shannon like teaching one of her girls how to like drive in a parking lot? Was that Orange? Well, know Giselle definitely did. Giselle did it too though. Giselle, Giselle did it too. Yeah. I think Shannon did though too. I vaguely remember Shannon. Yeah. Then we see Rachel's on the phone with her son, the one who's away at camp.

Kelli (01:26.606)
Yes. Yes. Giselle did it too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (01:35.694)
I feel like she did, yeah.

Wendy (01:45.166)
The next thing we saw I thought was interesting that they felt the need to show us Erica on her knees cleaning out her lint trap of her dryer. I'm like, do we need to see that? I mean, yes, it does make her Makes her relatable. Yeah.

Kelli (01:57.872)
because yeah, exactly. It does make her relatable. Yeah. And I think that Erica, like I feel like she's evolving. Like, you know, when we first met her, she was Tom Girardi's wife and supposed to be, you know, Tom Girardi was this multimillionaire, you know. So to see her fall from grace and, you know, of course people have strong opinions about the lawsuits and all that stuff. But I do find her like more relatable in that sense where she's not,

Wendy (02:12.203)
Right,

Wendy (02:21.378)
Yeah.

Kelli (02:27.426)
And she's not, like she doesn't act like she's above anything. Like I don't think we'll ever see Kyle doing that, you know?

Wendy (02:35.34)
Yeah, the interesting, no, probably not. The interesting thing was I thought it was funny when she was cleaning out her, her lint trap. She's like, who did this? You live there alone. She's like, who left it like this? like, I mean, probably you. Yeah, exactly.

Kelli (02:51.452)
Yeah, nobody else lives there. So process of elimination.

Wendy (03:00.002)
Then we see Sutton's getting ready because Jennifer Tilly's coming over and she's trying to figure out she's got this whole little setup and then she doesn't have the cheese and she's like, gotta get her the cheese. She likes the cheese. And as soon as Jennifer walks in, she's like, good, you got cheese. I was like, did she know that that happens?

Kelli (03:16.666)
She knows her friend. That's for sure.

Wendy (03:18.062)
Yeah, that's it. That's it. So she's telling her when she gets there that she's going to be chartering, she was busy in the morning, she chartered for a trip, she chartered a plane for them to go to Sedona and she wants the girls to, Sedona's a place of healing and she wants the girls to go, just kind of have a.

like a reset and she wants to get into a better place with Dorie.

Kelli (03:49.814)
I was wondering, is it Sedona where Real Housewives of New Jersey went with Caroline and Al and when they did the horse thing, like trying to get the hoof up? It wasn't that in Sedona? I think it was. So I'm wondering if they're gonna do activities like that. I kinda hope they do.

Wendy (04:03.192)
it could have been. It could have been.

Wendy (04:12.842)
Yeah, I don't know. mean, it may have been Sedona. I would love for them to do activities like that. I don't think that they will, to be quite honest with you.

Kelli (04:16.687)
Yeah.

Kelli (04:21.466)
Probably not.

Wendy (04:22.87)
Right? mean, Kathy Hilton shows up with decorative pillows. Do you think that she's going to be doing activity?

Kelli (04:31.024)
Honestly, in all honesty, I could see Cathy Hilton doing that. I could see her getting into that. I don't think Dorit would do very well at it. Like how Teresa and Melissa were very flippant about it and not into that specific activity with the horse, where everyone else kind of embraced it, including Joe Giudice, that blew everybody away. I could see Dorit being more like Teresa and Melissa and not, you know.

Wendy (04:36.16)
Okay.

Wendy (04:50.636)
Yeah.

Wendy (05:01.024)
Not wanting to, yeah.

Kelli (05:01.69)
But I could see Cathy doing it just because I think Cathy likes to experience things. I think that's her gig.

Wendy (05:07.894)
I do too, I do too. I mean, I'm not saying that she's like, I'm not gonna do that. I'm just saying that she's clueless. But yeah, listen, and I would be here for it. I would be here to see her do it. Yeah, yeah, I'd be here for that. I totally would be here for that.

Kelli (05:15.938)
Yeah. Yeah.

Me too, that's what mean, I kind of hope they do.

Wendy (05:30.444)
She, it's interesting, because when Jennifer and Sutton are talking, Jennifer kind of cautions Sutton, like, you know, just because you say you're going to change, like, you just kind of have to, like, give people a chance. Like, you can't just say it and then expect it to be that way. because sometimes Sutton comes in strong. And, you know, Jennifer was trying to help her, and Sutton was very, very defensive with her.

Kelli (05:56.186)
Yes, she was.

Yes, she was.

Wendy (06:00.362)
Right from the start, she was very defensive, but right from the start. And it doesn't get any better as the trip goes on, I don't think, as the episode goes on.

Kelli (06:07.348)
No, and I think she should be really careful because I think Jennifer's a very good friend to her. And I think that everybody really loves Jennifer on the show and fans of the show. So I think Sutton could very easily, I don't like her, I don't like Sutton, especially after what she said to Dorit last year about coming for somebody who matches your wallet. Like what a ridiculous thing to say. But I think that she could very quickly become not a,

Wendy (06:13.09)
I do too. I do too.

Wendy (06:25.698)
Ahem.

Kelli (06:36.644)
you know, the opposite of a fan favorite. I can't think of the word I'm looking for. A villain, yeah. You know what else I was thinking? Her tagline about giving main character energy. I know we'll get there, but when she starts talking about her insecurities later on in the show, or maybe it's here, I forget. I wonder if her ex made a comment to her about not being a main character on this show.

Wendy (06:39.799)
A villain.

Mm-hmm.

Kelli (07:04.804)
and that is why her tagline is what it is. Somebody must have made some kind of comment to her about not being a main character.

Wendy (07:14.2)
think it is. think it's because Dorit made the comment to her that she lives on a main road.

Kelli (07:14.351)
Why?

Kelli (07:22.293)
Yeah, no, of course, that's, that's, you know, the first part of it.

Wendy (07:25.824)
I don't think, mean, because like it is the end of this episode where she does talk about her insecurities that, I'm not pretty enough, I'm not good enough. And I think the tagline is a deflection. You know, people that have these insecurities, they hide them. Like she hides them. I think her, the way she, you know, reacted to Dorit and, you know, what she said to her about the bank account.

That's just her with her insecurities. That's how it comes out. Like, I don't think that, I don't think her ex, I mean, I don't think he, I don't know him. Listen, I have no idea who he is. We've never met him. We only know what she's told him. I just think that, first of all, she doesn't even pick out the taglines. They give them to her, you know? And then she gets to pick the one, or she doesn't even get to pick the one. Like, you know, like it's...

Kelli (08:16.036)
Yeah. Yeah.

She doesn't get to pick though. I think they give them so many and then they, yeah. I don't know. I just thought that's it's just a weird thing for her to say. I mean, listen, she doesn't give me in character energy. She never has and she still doesn't.

Wendy (08:22.99)
They do. They ask them which ones they like.

Wendy (08:32.17)
No, she doesn't. She doesn't. No. No. No. And that's okay. Not everyone needs to be a main character. yeah. Right. Nobody's the main character. No, I agree. But there are people that are more main character energy and are more in the forefront just because of who they are. Because it's a group of people and there's always gonna be a so-and-so, you know, like quote unquote leader or, you know, someone who's just whatever. It is what it is, right?

Kelli (08:36.25)
But whatever.

It's an ensemble cast, nobody is the main character. Or nobody's supposed to be.

Kelli (08:58.319)
Bye, bye.

Wendy (09:02.134)
Yeah, I just don't, know, and then the next scene that we see is where Kyle goes over to Dorit's house. And again, like Dorit's talking about how stressed out she is about the divorce. The first thing Kyle said is like, you're here by yourself. where are the kids? She's like, the kids are in Florida. So we find out that the kids did get to go to Florida with the grandparents. And she didn't ask PK, she just sent him and did what she was gonna do, which I'm glad she did that. I'm, you know, I'm glad that she did that.

Kelli (09:32.544)
Yeah, I am too, because I think for some reason, PK thought he had to give permission, I guess. But if you're like a once a month father, I would find it very hard to believe that legally there's anything you could do about it. Unless there was some kind of child arrangement set forth, but clearly there's not.

Wendy (09:38.187)
Right.

Wendy (09:48.363)
Right. I would too.

Wendy (09:56.75)
Doesn't seem like there is. Right, because there's no arrangement for anything at this point. She can't even get to mediation. She doesn't know who's paying the bills. There's nothing really that's been decided by anybody. So yeah, I mean, it would be near impossible for him to really stop her. So she just took control of it, which I'm glad she did. I'm glad she did take control of it. So the first thing though that she does say to Kyle is, did you talk to Moe?

Kelli (10:01.753)
Right.

Wendy (10:26.56)
about PK and she's like, you know, no. And I thought to myself, well, she did talk to Mo a little bit about PK. But then Dorit went on to say, like, I really, like, I was serious when I asked you to do that. Like, I would like for you to maybe help me because, you know, PK puts it out there that, you know, he's very present and he's doing all these things. And maybe if Mo could talk to him.

And then Kyle's like, yeah, no, I would like to facilitate this. And I think she was trying to figure it out. How am I going to facilitate this? You don't want me to get involved, but you want Mo. And I'm glad that she finally just said, you know what? Just you call Mo. You sit down with Mo. So that's why we're going to see that sit down. Because remember when we saw that scene, we're like, well, why is she sitting down with Mo? Why is that OK? Well, it's OK, because Kyle kind of needed to back out of it.

Kelli (11:09.092)
Yeah.

Kelli (11:13.252)
Yeah.

Kelli (11:22.904)
Yeah. Yeah, no, that was definitely the right thing for Kyle to do.

Wendy (11:23.937)
I think.

Wendy (11:29.07)
Then the next thing we see is Rachel. She picks up her son from camp. He's so cute. I love this kid. asks I Know she asked how camp was and he said he moisturized every day like this kid is such an old soul I swear he really is

Kelli (11:36.656)
Both her boys are really cute.

Kelli (11:46.224)
That was great when he said that that was great

Wendy (11:49.858)
Yeah. I also thought it was interesting and it didn't really surprise me, but I was just surprised that she said it in her confessional. She said that, you know, when she kind of accidentally got pregnant, she thought it would be like, you know, like a one and done and she'd have a daughter and like a little mini couture. And you know, now she's a boy mom, which I thought to myself, as a boy mom, myself, people always would say to me like, don't you want a girl? Don't you want a girl?

Kelli (12:11.289)
Yeah.

Wendy (12:19.414)
And I would always say, and this was always my feeling, because I never knew for any of my children, I never knew what I was having. The technology was there, I just didn't want to know. But I always said that God doesn't give us more than we can handle. And if I had a girl, I would be broke because I would accessorize and the hair and the makeup and the jewelry and the matching shoes. I just would, I know who I am. And boys don't care about that.

Kelli (12:25.765)
Right.

Kelli (12:46.059)
And you get what you get and you don't get upset. Like Eric and I always said two kids, we didn't care if it was two boys, two girls, boy, girl, we didn't care. Like we knew our limits, our limit was two kids. So what are you gonna do?

Wendy (12:49.442)
Exactly.

Wendy (12:53.528)
Right.

Right.

Right.

Exactly. And as it turns out for her, know, she also said that these two boys of hers are her real knights in shining armor. Like, she's like, they hug me sometimes when I don't even know I need it. And I think that that's really sweet. I do think it's sweet.

Kelli (13:11.76)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (13:19.086)
It's very sweet and I'm sure those boys witnessed her being very sad because it doesn't seem like she was the one who wanted the divorce. know, I mean, ultimately she was the one who wanted the divorce, but it seems like it was because of actions that were made by her ex-husband or soon to be. And I'm sure her boys saw her very upset and I think it's very sweet that they stepped in and you know, were so sensitive to that.

Wendy (13:26.36)
Right.

Wendy (13:42.188)
Yeah, yeah, I do too. I do too.

Kelli (13:45.274)
Yeah.

Wendy (13:47.362)
The next thing we see is Cathy's dinner party, her summertime dinner party. I don't know if you noted, but she had Chef Omar there and Chef David. So she had two private chefs for one dinner party. For one dinner party.

Kelli (14:00.165)
This does not surprise me at all.

One probably did like appetizers and desserts and the other did the main meal. you know, who knows with her? I'm sure she had it very well planned out.

Wendy (14:14.89)
she absolutely had it very well planned out. I mean, I don't know that she did it. Her right-hand girl, what was her name?

Kelli (14:22.648)
forget, but you know what? I do think she did it because did you hear what she said? She worked at that hotel. Yeah. And she planned their parties. So to her, it's like art. thought when she said that, I was like, God, I wish I had a little bit more of that in me. Like I can throw a party, but I don't have that in me to like, know, like Lori's great at that. Like, you know.

Wendy (14:27.874)
about working. Waldorf.

Wendy (14:50.581)
The attention to detail.

Kelli (14:52.132)
The attention to detail, the decorating, all that. To me, I want to make sure that there's good music and good food and enough food at a party. The other stuff, just doesn't come naturally to me. So I think Cathy probably does get very involved when she hosts something.

Wendy (15:10.754)
Well, she definitely, can tell you this just from watching her, she definitely knows what she wants. You know, when she was looking at those things, she's like, you know what, can we get a blue ribbon? Like right down to the ribbon color.

Kelli (15:15.364)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (15:19.298)
Yeah, like that would never occur to me. Like if the ribbons were pink and they were on the table, I'd be like, great. That's one less thing I got to worry about. The ribbons are on the table.

Wendy (15:26.551)
Yep. Yep.

Yeah, no, she really does throw a beautiful event and the attention to detail is really, it's amazing to be quite honest. I thought it was amazing. And then even her, I didn't look it up, her little obsession with bee pollen, how she's sprinkling that on everything. How it was so.

Kelli (15:36.91)
Yeah, it is.

Kelli (15:47.578)
Yeah, that was interesting, because I know people take bee pollen to lose weight. Like there's bee pollen supplements.

Wendy (15:52.782)
I don't know. Yeah, I didn't look it up, but I do know it is supposed to be very healthy. And bees are like this really important part of our ecosystem. Again, I don't know the science behind it. And I don't know if you noticed she had on a bee necklace also.

Kelli (16:12.632)
I did not. But that's like a big thing to save the bees.

Wendy (16:14.092)
Yeah. I know, I know. It is a big thing. So anyway, I thought that was interesting. Sutton and Jennifer arrived first. I did think it was interesting that Sutton brought the candle for her from Marrakech, the only place that she has not been this summer, because Cathy's been traveling all summer.

I did think it was interesting, and I know it's Jennifer Tilly, that Jennifer didn't bring a gift for Kathy.

Kelli (16:46.224)
Well, I found that interesting too because I remembered when they went to Garcelle's beach house and she brought her that... What was it? who were the... I can't... Yeah. The two guys, the two guys. that was a housewarming. You're right.

Wendy (16:56.043)
designer. Yeah, I forget. Yeah, but that was a new, that was like a housewarming.

That was a housewarming. That was a housewarming. still, like, even so much as... That's it. Don't think about it. Even if it was just a candle or a bottle of wine or...

Kelli (17:07.172)
Dolce and Gabbana, Dolce and Gabbana.

Kelli (17:14.402)
A bottle of wine definitely. that nobody's ever gonna turn that away because even if you don't drink, you're probably gonna host at some point and then you can have that, you know. Yeah, that was interesting.

Wendy (17:17.112)
Right.

Wendy (17:22.958)
Right, right.

Wendy (17:28.704)
I don't know, I probably shouldn't have commented on it, it just kind of struck me a little bit.

Kelli (17:34.821)
Yeah.

Wendy (17:36.756)
And then also their butler is there. Carlos lets them in. And then Amanda arrives a little bit later and they're already outside. at the first time we saw a sudden, she announces to Jennifer that she's not really drinking. She's changed her relationship with alcohol. I thought that was interesting.

Kelli (17:57.69)
Yes.

Yeah, it's interesting. mean, obviously I'm sure it has to do with the Dorit comments two seasons ago. But you know, her idol Kyle also doesn't drink. So it could be, that could be part of it too.

Wendy (18:16.428)
Yeah.

Yeah, it could be. she orders a sparkling water and Jennifer has rose. Amanda gets there and she asks for water. Amanda, I just...

Kelli (18:21.082)
You

Kelli (18:34.126)
Well, we both said it. We both said it. She's giving, can you believe 20,000 Dana Wilkie vibes. We said it in the car the other night. I mean, it's just, you know, I don't know. It's way too much. It's way too much. And you know what I was thinking?

Wendy (18:40.994)
Yes.

Wendy (18:47.158)
It's too much.

Kelli (18:54.714)
Heather DeBrow really better take note because if she really makes this jump from OC to Beverly Hills, like that's speculated out there, she has these vibes to her. She has these Amanda vibes. Like what are you gonna flex about your real estate to Kyle? Or Kathy Hilton who lives in Bel Air? Like I think Heather DeBrow better pay very close attention to what's happening with Amanda right now.

Wendy (19:22.104)
You know, the more I think about it though, and the more I've seen, I don't know if Heather's actually going to Beverly Hills.

Kelli (19:29.028)
I personally don't think she is either. I think maybe she and Terry are gonna get a spin-off or something. I think she's gonna leave OC. I think she's had it with OC and maybe even just be a friend of, which would probably be a good role for her. I think she'd be a very good friend of. Yeah, she really would. But I think that, I think her and Terry are doing something on their own.

Wendy (19:47.844)
she would be a good friend of. She definitely would be.

Wendy (19:59.831)
It's possible.

Kelli (20:00.401)
Speaking of OC, we were messaging about Katie Janela not getting her contract renewed.

Wendy (20:08.15)
Yes. So listen, she put it out there and it doesn't surprise me. I don't know if I'm disappointed or not, to be honest with you, because I'm so disgusted with OC to begin with.

Kelli (20:18.416)
Mm-mm.

Kelli (20:24.772)
personally don't

Kelli (20:29.548)
Yeah, I just don't think she was ever a great fit and not that I am defending Heather DeBrow in any manner, but she did come in hot with that whole I know for a fact that the paparazzi, mean, listen, we all knew the paparazzi photos were set up by Heather. It doesn't take a rocket science test, her putting it out there like my friend texts me and like, I don't think she was ever really a good fit. Cause that's not really what that show's about.

Wendy (20:57.046)
Right, right. And again, you know, just because I don't like the way that they bullied her out, I don't like the fact that they didn't offer her a contract, but I'm so aggravated with the way the whole season went anyway last season that I wouldn't want them to bring her back just because of that. Like, that's not the reason to bring her back. Do know what I'm saying?

Kelli (21:17.924)
Right. Right. Yeah.

Wendy (21:23.059)
Kelli (21:23.524)
Yeah, we could do a whole episode on how we feel about the last season of O.C. and where we think it should go in the future. Because I'm hoping, I know we got to get back to Beverly Hills, but I really am hoping that Jacqueline La Rita joins the cast. Because I think her being on the show with Tamra, would, Tamra would never get away with what she gets away with if Jacqueline La Rita were on that show. And I would be so here to watch it.

Wendy (21:52.46)
Yeah, we just have to wait and see. We have to wait and see. So they are serving their first is caviar and Amanda of course needs to have gluten-free caviar but she can have it on cucumber so that's fine. We have to have a whole conversation about that.

Kelli (21:55.002)
We sure do.

Kelli (22:12.044)
I was gonna say gluten-free caviar, she just needs to put it on something that's gluten-free. Okay.

Wendy (22:15.404)
on a key, yes. But the fact that it even has to be a conversation is just like, don't care. I just don't care. I just don't care.

Kelli (22:23.618)
I know. You're not interesting enough for us to know need to know your dietary needs. I agree. I agree.

Wendy (22:29.758)
Exactly. That's it. I just don't care. Kathy's talking about the house that she's living in now is the longest she's ever lived any place and it's 18 years. And that's a long time to live in one place. I mean, especially someone of her stature, right? To be in one place.

Kelli (22:44.898)
It is a long time.

Yes. Yes.

Wendy (22:53.602)
Then I think it's very interesting that Jennifer, of all people, is the one who starts talking to Amanda, because this is the first time Amanda's meeting Cathy Hilton, and starts asking her, like, you know, what did you think of Dorit when you met her? I was like, I didn't expect this coming from...

Kelli (23:10.516)
Jennifer, I think she's really starting to understand the assignment.

Wendy (23:15.574)
Yeah. Listen, I'm

Kelli (23:17.274)
Like now that she's a full, cause she's a full-time housewife, Jennifer, right? Is she still a friend of? She's still a friend of. She's doing a good job. Okay. Okay.

Wendy (23:21.214)
no, I don't think she, I think she's a friend of. Yeah, cause she doesn't have a tagline. She's still a friend of. And she's like, well, I mean, my first, my first encounter with her is I, know, she was like in emotional distress because she met her the day that they were at Jennifer's house doing the naked painting. Yes. And she was upset about PK and the kids going to Florida.

Kelli (23:42.832)
Painting. Yeah.

Wendy (23:48.896)
And she said, you know, I was really thinking about her a lot and I was really, I was very worried about her. So I was really glad that we got to, you know, to talk and have lunch together. And I'm just like, that's a weird thing to say. I just, I don't know. just, she's hard for me to watch. Every time she talks.

Kelli (24:12.762)
Well, she just seems a little bit uncomfortable on camera. Like, I think she's trying to give too much too soon.

Wendy (24:20.077)
Yeah.

Kelli (24:21.442)
or making it like she's like cool with this one, like really cool with this one, but too soon.

Wendy (24:29.782)
Yeah, yeah. Well, she said that, you know, she does it because one of the producers asked her, like, were you a little intimidated by, you know, any of these, these people? And she's like, no, like, you know, why would I be?

Kelli (24:45.488)
She said something like, I think I belong in any room I walk into or something like that, right?

Wendy (24:50.902)
Yeah, yeah. I mean, there's one thing to be confident and there's another thing to be cocky.

Kelli (24:56.174)
Yes, exactly. There's two different, there's a big difference between the two of them. But good for her if that's how she conducts her business. Good for her. I just, know, clearly it doesn't land with these ladies though, because I don't think any of them are talking to her right now.

Wendy (25:15.2)
Yeah, yeah. And even when she said what happened between her and Erica, that Erica made a comment to her about... So she had said something about one of her children was a cancer and the other one was a cancer and Erica said, well, cancers can be mean. And she said, they're emotional. Mean is an emotion.

She thought that that was Erica kind of coming for her. And no, that is not Erica. Yes. Yes.

Kelli (25:47.504)
No. You'll know. You'll know when Erica's coming for me.

Wendy (25:56.343)
Yes.

Kelli (25:58.353)
I mean, I don't agree with Amanda that that was Erica coming for her, but I also don't agree with Sutton's reaction to her saying, I got her in that moment, because Sutton's reaction was over the top in that moment.

Wendy (26:16.012)
Yes, it was over the top. was. It was. And Jennifer Tilly at the time at the table, I don't know if you caught it, very like softly she's like, okay, Reba.

Kelli (26:26.328)
Yes, she did.

Wendy (26:28.256)
I was like, and the look on her face.

Kelli (26:31.362)
It's almost like, yeah, it's almost like Sutton was like, you're not, you don't think, cause I guess, I guess Sutton feels, I guess Sutton feels closest to who Kyle and.

Wendy (26:44.854)
and Kathy and Jennifer. Yeah, right.

Kelli (26:44.944)
Kathy, I guess, and Jennifer, right? So she's probably still trying to rebuild with Erica and obviously Dorie. So she's probably like, know, Sutton's pick me girl, obviously. I mean, she threw her friendship with Garcella away to be friends with the Richard sisters. So I think that when she heard Amanda say that, she was like, no, like you're not, don't think you're gonna be.

Wendy (27:00.428)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (27:12.248)
Right.

Kelli (27:12.282)
buddying up with Erica before I mend my relationship with her.

Wendy (27:15.662)
Right, right. No, you're right. You're right. So the ladies get to the private plane and Dorie is an hour and a half late.

Kelli (27:31.086)
You know, what I'd like to know is, is it a situation like we saw in Miami where she told the producers, I'm going to be late or, you know, whatever. But even if she did, like you're taking a private plane somewhere.

Wendy (27:37.304)
Right.

Kelli (27:47.982)
You have to be on time.

Wendy (27:48.056)
I mean the flight was only 45 minutes. They waited on the runway longer than the flight for Dorit to arrive.

Kelli (27:54.576)
Yeah, like, that's insane.

Wendy (27:58.626)
The other thing I noted, it is, I totally agree, she never apologized. Now, I don't know if they just never showed her apologizing or if she never apologized.

Kelli (27:59.013)
That's insane!

Kelli (28:08.868)
right, but she not apologize on the show that we saw.

Wendy (28:14.53)
that we saw. I'm gonna have to, I haven't watched the after show. Maybe I should watch the after show and see if it comes up and see if she did apologize or there's more to this story. Cause sometimes we do find that out on the after show.

Kelli (28:26.018)
Yeah, but I watched it on Peacock the next morning and she did not apologize on Peacock either.

Wendy (28:32.078)
Yeah, I mean, I just think it's.

Kelli (28:34.788)
That's wild though that she was that late.

Wendy (28:38.166)
Yeah.

Wendy (28:42.798)
So then they get to Sedona and they land and they're taking their car ride to the place that they're going to be staying at. And I don't know if you picked this up either, but Kathy is in the car giving Rachel advice about her makeup. And Kyle is sitting, yes, and Kyle is sitting in the back seat like laughing like you, Kathy, are giving advice to Rachel.

Kelli (28:57.912)
Yes, the under eye.

Kelli (29:09.422)
Like she didn't blend it in enough, it was too light. I mean, some people do put concealer that's too light for their face under their eyes to brighten them up, but she didn't blend it in properly. But listen, Cathy is that friend. She's gonna tell you, blend your concealer in.

Wendy (29:11.563)
Right.

Wendy (29:17.846)
Right. Listen, I know. I love it. And Rachel took it. She's like, no, if you see something, tell me. I honestly, I loved every minute of it. I thought it was great. I thought it was so real. I think that's what I love. Well, I know that's what I love about Kathy. I just, her sister's Kyle sitting in the backseat like, my God, like, what are you doing?

Kelli (29:28.504)
She

Kelli (29:32.388)
Yes.

Kelli (29:44.272)
It was great. It really was great.

Wendy (29:47.576)
you

So she pre-assigned rooms, they get to the hotel. The hotel's over 100 years old. It was originally built for miners, because I guess this is a mining area. she's had, she has gift bags. Right, exactly. That's so funny. It's so funny.

Kelli (30:03.194)
Kathy asks, where are they now?

Kelli (30:13.326)
Holy cow.

Wendy (30:15.768)
So Sutton put little gift bags in everyone's room and their initials were on their door so they knew where they were going, which I thought that was great. Again, I'm watching Cathy when she gets to her little cottage and she starts taking, and I was watching her pack too. She had, I thought they were Ziploc bags, but now I know that they weren't. They were those vacuum sealed bags. That's must, I saw all that in her luggage. I'm like,

Kelli (30:41.584)
Ohhhh

Wendy (30:44.554)
She has all these Ziploc bags in her luggage. Like, what is she doing? Now I know when she was putting those pillows on the bed, she brought pillows with her.

Kelli (30:54.416)
It's very smart though because it all sucks up and it becomes very little so you can pack more.

Wendy (31:00.502)
No, it is very smart. And as a matter of fact, I bought one of those vacuum sealed travel things off the TikTok shop. It's sitting up in my bedroom. I have to try it, because I want to make sure it works before I actually need it. Because I've been looking at those things too. I'm like, you know what? This is such a smart thing. And the little pump comes with it. You can take it with you when you put the stuff back. Does he? He travels that much?

Kelli (31:13.56)
Right. Right.

Kelli (31:21.411)
yeah, Eric has one. Yeah. Yeah.

No, he doesn't use it for travel, uses it for other things.

Wendy (31:30.094)
okay. I should have known. I should have known. that's so cool. Okay. So yes. And then we find out that Rachel didn't even bring her luggage with her because she was afraid it would be too much and it's not there and she's got nothing.

Kelli (31:34.128)
Yeah.

Kelli (31:52.122)
I mean, what a smart move, but my gosh, the fact that it wasn't there.

Wendy (31:55.256)
Well.

Yeah, yeah.

Kelli (32:01.137)
How long was this trip to Sedona? Because even Kyle was like, I have shoes under the bed, and then they show all her shoes. I mean, are they even there for a week?

Wendy (32:07.734)
I know, I don't know. I think it's... No, I don't know. I'm sure they're not. No, it's probably three days. I'm sure that's what it is. I'm sure it's three or four days.

Kelli (32:13.624)
It's normally like three or four days that they go away for.

I mean, that was a tremendous, and I'm a shoe girl, that was a tremendous amount of shoes for that short of a trip.

Wendy (32:26.56)
It was, and then even Amanda showing us all her different Chanel bags. I mean, she had two, one for hiking, one for this. I'm like, wait, what?

Kelli (32:35.952)
Two for hiking, two different ones for hiking. A fanny pack and a backpack.

Wendy (32:38.926)
It's just too much.

Yeah. Okay.

Kelli (32:46.03)
Right. Like what do you need on this hike?

Wendy (32:48.622)
Right. I don't know. Listen, there's a lot going on here. mean, Bose bought her assistant, Nico, with her.

Kelli (32:57.582)
Yes she did. Yes she did. Nico is really living the life. Avi 2.0.

Wendy (32:59.702)
I was like...

Wendy (33:05.772)
Yes, exactly, exactly.

Exactly. So Rachel announces that it's 110 degrees and she's got nothing to change into. she comes down for dinner and honestly, her changing her jewelry, she looked like she was in a different outfit. She took off that hat, she changed her jewelry.

Kelli (33:24.944)
I mean, was she really in a different outfit? Because she didn't look like she was in a different outfit.

Wendy (33:32.11)
Well, she definitely was in the same outfit. She was definitely in the same outfit. Yeah, no, because I remember, I actually even wrote it down, like when she got on the plane, because she was commenting on everyone's outfits, she was in all black, head to toe black. She had the black hat on, and it was all black. And yeah, she was in the same outfit, she just reinvented it, which I was like, she's so smart. Like this is why she is, you know, a stylist. Like she's so smart.

Kelli (33:35.598)
I mean in the same outfit,

Kelli (33:45.655)
Okay. Okay.

Kelli (33:55.439)
Yeah.

Speaking of the plane, I know I just don't like Sutton, but did you see the seating arrangement? She wasn't even sitting with Jennifer Tilly, who's her bestie. She put Jennifer with Bosma, and I think Erica, and she of course was with Kathy and Kyle. I think it was maybe Dorit, Bosma, I don't know. All I know is that Sutton was with Kyle and Kathy and not Jennifer.

Wendy (34:10.03)
I didn't notice that.

Wendy (34:17.356)
interesting.

Wendy (34:27.842)
That doesn't surprise me. It doesn't surprise me.

Kelli (34:29.401)
It doesn't surprise me either.

Wendy (34:34.936)
So they get to the dinner and it's 91 degrees outside for the outside dinner there and the table comes complete with crystals.

Kelli (34:48.759)
yes.

Wendy (34:50.38)
The first comment was from Dorie, because she picks them up and she's like, you know the price tags are on these crystals, which I did think was a little odd.

Kelli (34:58.819)
Yeah.

Wendy (35:00.47)
I did think that was little odd. And then all of a sudden we have to hear from Amanda that she once spent $10,000 on crystals in one sitting. Okay, thank you.

Kelli (35:13.552)
Great. And what does Erica say? Well, my friend spent blah, when sitting so there. I think that was in her confessional though, right?

Wendy (35:14.808)
Yeah.

Wendy (35:19.768)
Yeah.

Wendy (35:23.574)
Yeah. Yeah, it was in her confessional. It was. So once everyone's seated, Sutton kind of opens up to everybody. she's saying that she's hoping that this is kind of a reset, she wants people to relate to her differently. And she wants to introduce herself to the new person who is Sutton Brown. She wants to be the person who

is a good friend, is a fun girl. She wants to be that for them. She had a lot of insecurities. She felt she wasn't pretty enough, she wasn't smart enough. And I was like, all right, that's good. mean, this is a good way to start. And Erica comes out right away and praises her and says, it's just going to be about consistency in your friendships, which I totally agree with. And I'm glad that she

you know, she spoke up, like she actually said something, because sometimes they don't say anything. Then Bo's toast to Sutton, I thought that was great too, like, you know, may she remain true. And then Kyle asks Amanda what exactly she does.

Kelli (36:24.239)
Bye.

Kelli (36:39.44)
It's like SpongeBob three hours later.

Wendy (36:40.506)
my goodness. It's so funny. It was so funny. I was just like, my God.

Kelli (36:47.079)
Ha

Kelli (36:50.976)
my gosh.

Wendy (36:54.382)
And then all of a sudden, Cathy says, that's great. And Kyle just starts laughing at the table. And then she explains it to us in the confessional. And when Cathy says that, that's great. She either means I wasn't listening to you or she didn't understand what you were saying. And Kyle's like, and in all fairness, me neither. Like, like me too. Like.

Kelli (36:57.818)
Yeah

Kelli (37:17.678)
And then they literally flash back to Dorit's house when she was hosting the charity event. And she's explaining the charity. Yeah. And Kathy's like, that's great. And Garcelle starts laughing.

Wendy (37:23.692)
yeah, the toothless and homeless. Right. Yeah. It's so funny. It's just so funny.

Kelli (37:33.584)
Yeah.

Wendy (37:36.91)
So then we find out they're having a five course meal. I'll be honest with you. They really outdid themselves, those chefs there, right? They had a summer citrus salad, tomato and roasted red pepper. no, tomato gazpacho. And then they all got, their entree was halibut. And then a flourless chocolate cake.

Kelli (37:48.526)
Yes.

Wendy (38:06.538)
And thank goodness because Amanda is gluten-free.

Kelli (38:10.148)
Yes, we remembered.

Wendy (38:13.431)
Yes.

And then Jennifer Tilly says to Erica, who's that band we saw you with in the tabloids? And listen, I'm here for this romance. What's his name?

Kelli (38:28.644)
Yeah, me too.

I don't know, but they call him... pshhh... What they call him? Shrek?

Wendy (38:34.382)
Shrek, they call him Shrek. Yeah, they call him Shrek. She met him in London backstage at the Mighty Hoopla. That's what she was doing over the summer. And she had seen him on a podcast and she knew who he was. And she walked by him and she went back and she introduced herself and said, I'm a fan. I was like, good for her. Good for her.

Kelli (38:51.706)
Yeah.

Kelli (38:58.734)
Yeah. Yeah.

Well, what's surprising is she's like, and I've never done that before. And I'm thinking, that's interesting that Erica's never approached a guy before, right?

Wendy (39:11.544)
Well, if you think about it, she's been with Tom for so long.

Kelli (39:14.456)
She was with Tom for so long. She was probably, I think was she like mid thirties when she married him. So, you know.

Wendy (39:21.528)
Yeah, like it's been a long time and yeah, yeah.

Kelli (39:24.367)
Yeah.

Wendy (39:28.362)
I thought I'd listen and she said how they went to get it. She got a manicure and he got a pedicure. And Dorit's like, I just can't believe that she was out with, you know, no makeup on. you know, I'm like, why she's like, why not? Like that's who she is. That's the real Erica. And is Dorit the one said he was wearing Crocs?

Kelli (39:46.308)
Right, right.

Yes, I think so.

Wendy (39:52.47)
And Rachel's like, well, if he was wearing Birkins, yeah, he'd be my guy. The Birks, that's right. So I mean, I thought it was a good episode. I'm curious to see what they actually do in Sedona. I like that there was no arguing, no fighting, right? None of that.

Kelli (39:56.123)
Berks. Berkenslox, Yep. The Berks.

Kelli (40:06.818)
I did too, I enjoyed it.

Kelli (40:16.75)
Yes, yes. Like even the stuff with Amanda, even the shady things they're saying in their confessionals. Like absolutely, this is what we like. Nobody's calling a private investigator. Excellent. This is the gauge now.

Wendy (40:23.18)
Right. Right.

Yeah, no, I thought it was a good episode.

Yeah, exactly. One of the, I was thinking about, did we mention it all that from Potomac, Britt Eaddy has filed for divorce.

Kelli (40:43.652)
We haven't mentioned it, but I did see that.

Wendy (40:46.76)
And also, her lawsuit has been dropped.

Kelli (40:51.568)
Of course, there's no merit.

Wendy (40:52.876)
And do you know who else dropped their lawsuit? It's Todd from Miami. Yup, Todd dropped his lawsuit.

Kelli (40:57.688)
Napola, well, they're pretty much back together, right? So I don't think Alexa would be on the next season if there is one, if he didn't drop it and she got back together with him.

Wendy (41:04.012)
I think they might be.

Wendy (41:13.836)
I think that's going to be very interesting.

Kelli (41:16.642)
It's going to be very interesting. still don't think, I mean, if he ever filmed again, what a hypocrite, quite honestly.

Wendy (41:25.324)
If Bravo ever asked him to film again.

Wendy (41:30.638)
Right?

Kelli (41:31.642)
But they, know, yeah, they probably wouldn't. But then what's Alexa bringing to the, Alexia bringing to the show? Like then she's not showing all of her real life. I mean, she's still got the boys, but.

Wendy (41:48.322)
I don't know. We'll have to wait and see what happens with Miami. I don't know.

Kelli (41:52.1)
Did you read where Vicki is putting Coto Insurance up for sale?

Wendy (41:56.098)
I did read that, but I don't know if it's true or not.

Kelli (41:59.793)
don't know if it's true or not either because one, why? Why would you do that? This is your legacy. This is what you built and your son is, yeah, your son is very involved. So why would you sell it?

Wendy (42:06.68)
Well, Michael runs it. Right. Right. Right. That's what I thought. That was my immediate reaction. That's why I don't think it's true. I did see it someplace, but I don't think it's true.

Kelli (42:15.034)
Yeah.

I don't think it is either. Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (42:21.346)
Because she would. mean, that's why, you know, Michael's a very big part of her business. I think he's the vice president or the president even. I mean, he's like in the day to day. Yeah. Yeah, but you know what else I did see? And you know, that's this AI is crazy. Did you see the AI with her daughter Brianna's husband in the orange jumpsuit that he was arrested for domestic violence? Did you see that?

Kelli (42:26.383)
Yeah.

Something is up there. Yeah.

Kelli (42:38.896)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (42:50.692)
You know, I vaguely remember seeing something like that recently, but I don't follow her on social media. It's totally fake, because she posted with him after that.

Wendy (42:56.672)
It's fake, it's totally fake. No, I-

Well, she had to go on social media and post that it was fake, that it was up there so many times. And I'm just like, this is so ridiculous. It's so ridiculous to just put this stuff out there about people and try and ruin people's lives.

Kelli (43:10.68)
It's terrible, the AI. Yeah.

Kelli (43:18.532)
Yep. Yeah, like they're not even on the show. Like leave them alone.

Wendy (43:23.414)
Right, they're not even on the show, they have four children, like...

Kelli (43:25.508)
You know, it's the same thing, who was it? Gia was the first one they said it about, that her, know, Ruckers is coming for her degree because of, you know, cheating. Then they said it about Antonia Gorgia, and then they just recently said it about somebody else's kid. Who the heck was it? It wasn't anybody from New Jersey's kid, it was a whole other franchise. And I thought, my goodness gracious, like, it's the same story, different kid.

Wendy (43:36.542)
right.

Kelli (43:54.948)
So obviously it's not true.

Wendy (43:55.373)
Yeah.

I know, I feel like Facebook, Instagram, they have to be better at stopping these accounts and blocking it. They really do. They shouldn't allow this to go on. I mean, there are so many, who was talking about it the other day?

Kelli (44:06.169)
Yeah.

Wendy (44:16.406)
maybe Crystal and Cynthia, there's so many of those fake, like housewife groups that put up fake stories. you think it's some, maybe it Heather McDonald, you think it's somebody that you follow and you think it's like a legitimate group and then you realize it's not. And every time I scroll, especially on We Wine Whenever, I see so many of those fake ones and I try and hit block every time.

Kelli (44:43.482)
Yeah.

Wendy (44:45.004)
But it's ridiculous that they are allowing it.

Kelli (44:48.996)
Yeah, it is. I totally agree. Totally, totally agree.

Wendy (44:55.308)
Alright, I guess that's it for Housewives, right? Unless you have anything else?

Kelli (44:59.47)
No, no, we, we congratulated Gina. Well, I think when we did Salt Lake City, Gina Kersh and Haya got engaged. I was happy to see that. But yeah, I don't think anything else came out this week. No breaking housewives news that I know of.

Wendy (45:01.09)
Okay.

Wendy (45:05.88)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (45:14.232)
Yeah, all right.

No. Alright, so until next time, please subscribe and give us five star reviews and let us know if there's something else you guys want us to talk about.

Kelli (45:28.131)
Yep. Bye.

Wendy (45:29.41)
Bye.