RHOA- Sopranos of the South: Who Sent Marcus

Wendy (00:01.108)
Hi, welcome to We Why Whenever. I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:03.954)
Kelly. Before we start we just want to wish Bridget L a very happy birthday. You commented today that you were enjoying your birthday, sipping and enjoying our videos. So we appreciate it. Thank you so much for watching and happy happy birthday.

Wendy (00:21.984)
Happy birthday. So today we are going to recap Real Housewives of Atlanta, season 16, episode 17, season finale, game over.

We start out with Lauren and Portia going over to Phaedra's house. Portia is talking about how close they were. And Lauren was on the phone with Londi when she passed. I was so surprised to hear that. I was so surprised to hear that.

Kelli (00:52.408)
That's crazy.

Kelli (00:58.496)
Me too.

Wendy (01:00.2)
Horsha said that, you know, she's, they're working on getting like the arrangements together and like, this is a full-time job and that, you know, they asked Phaedra to help out with like the planning of, know, that's what she does. That's what Phaedra does. So yeah. Then we see, Angela is at Dr. Wendy's office. That's her therapist since 2017. And

Kelli (01:12.984)
Yeah, it makes sense. Yeah, it makes sense.

Wendy (01:27.366)
They've both been going there this whole time, like her and Charles. And I think it's funny because I remember the very first episode when they talked about it and he said that's our most expensive monthly bill. So good for her.

Kelli (01:31.523)
Yeah.

Kelli (01:38.008)
He sure did, he sure did. Hey, real quick before we get to this with the therapist, I was listening to bros and shows and remember we were talking about how Kelly said you better ask your pill poppin' roommate? And we were like, who's she talking about, the husband or the mother? She was talking to Phaedra about Brit because they were roommates in Grenada. She was saying to Phaedra, you better ask your pill poppin' roommate.

Wendy (01:44.456)
huh.

Wendy (01:53.768)
Yes, yes.

Kelli (02:09.346)
Never I never thought of that and then one of them one of the mom Bros and shows thought the same thing We because he said like who's she talking about the husband or the mother and the other one was like no no She's talking about Brit. She's talking to Phaedra about Brit, and I was like damn that makes sense

Wendy (02:27.14)
Okay, okay, okay, that's good to know. Yeah, thank you for clearing that up. So Angela then starts talking about all the money that she has invested in all these homes and that she's reduced the price of all of them. And that she, like she needs to trust Charles because he told her not to do this. And...

Kelli (02:28.456)
Mm-hmm. Just wanted to clear that up.

Yeah.

Kelli (02:53.72)
Yeah.

Wendy (02:56.842)
She did it.

Kelli (02:57.998)
And she didn't want to listen to him.

Wendy (02:59.774)
Yep. Listen, mean, sometimes we do that as wives. Like we just do whatever we're going to do.

Kelli (03:10.102)
Yeah, especially, yeah, yeah, we do. We don't want them telling us what to do and what not to do. Right. It was his money. He should have had a little bit of a say in it.

Wendy (03:13.65)
I mean, listen, right, right. But it was his money. It was his money. Exactly.

So Charles also says that, know, what happened with them trying to bring him down, he's used to that. He's used to being targeted. He's used to people trying to bring him down. Angela told Charles what was said to her at Kelly's event and Angela's tired of everyone coming for her relationship with Charles. And I don't blame her. I don't blame her. mean...

Kelli (03:57.73)
That has to be exhausting. you can tell, I mean, listen, she's been honest about it. There was infidelity. There was infidelity. But they're better. They're going to counseling. They're working it out. So we'll get there.

Wendy (03:59.872)
It does have to be exhausting.

Wendy (04:07.872)
Yeah.

Wendy (04:15.912)
Yeah. yeah. So Shemeah, this is the big night for her. She is showcasing her music. I didn't know that this was gonna happen, did you?

Kelli (04:17.634)
There is a target though.

Kelli (04:31.054)
I didn't know this was gonna happen. I didn't know we were gonna have 25 different looks. mean, who said it? Is she going on tour? Like, I'm like, oh, like I thought it was gonna be like Erika Jayne at the, you know, whatever that big bar is. Like one song, one had done, like great job, Shemia. But this was a concert. This was a concert, she needed an opening act.

Wendy (04:38.708)
Right.

Wendy (04:44.979)
Yeah.

Wendy (04:53.747)
Yeah.

Yes, yes. And Drew shows up with shade. She's like, as the resident singer of this group, I'm here to make sure that the microphone is on. I'm like, come on.

Kelli (05:06.986)
Even Brit was shading Shemeah. She's like, you know, she talks to her nose. Like, what's your talent, Brit?

Wendy (05:13.482)
Yeah.

Yeah. So Shemeha comes out and she starts singing and then she had trouble hitting that high note. Did you notice that?

Kelli (05:24.492)
I did. I think everybody noticed that.

Wendy (05:27.488)
And then her next song. And then Angela's like, did everyone receive their invite for the gala? The Charles Oakley Foundation is throwing this gala and their goal is to feed children who grew up in underserved communities and their goal for the 100,000 children. Which I thought that's so nice. Like I love that he does that. And you know, it makes sense because

Kelli (05:52.288)
Absolutely.

Wendy (05:58.504)
Every time we've seen him, not every time, but we've seen him cooking. We've seen him in the kitchen. We've seen him with food. Like he has been, like when we've seen him, he's been around food, right? So of course he wants to feed people and he likes to give back, Sheme, thanks all the ladies for being there. She wishes Portia was there, but you know, she totally understands since her cousin had passed.

Kelli (06:08.684)
Yeah. And he gives back. likes to give back.

Kelli (06:22.54)
Yeah, she's grieving.

Wendy (06:25.724)
So then Cynthia says that you told Portia that Shemeah has been lying about the things she has said to Portia. And I was like, ooh, yeah, told Britt. And I'm like, ooh, why is she doing that?

Kelli (06:36.12)
So Brit.

Wendy (06:43.168)
But she did. So then Britt starts going for Shemeah and saying if she was worried about her daughter in Grenada then like why was she doing shots? I'm like, wait, what? What?

Kelli (06:55.022)
I was fucked up. She said something about her going to Miami with Kelly, I guess, or she went to Miami or something, I guess, on the way back from Grenada. Like maybe, maybe they had a layover.

Wendy (07:07.027)
Yeah.

Kelli (07:07.778)
That was low, but Britt doesn't have kids. So she doesn't realize that that's too low. Even what she said to Callie last week.

Wendy (07:15.232)
Yeah, yeah, like you just don't, you just don't go there. You just don't go there.

Kelli (07:19.904)
No, she goes too low.

Wendy (07:23.388)
And to me it's like, you don't need to be talking about my family. You have your own problems with your pill popping husband. So is it her husband that's the pill popper? Or is it her? Like who's the pill popper?

Kelli (07:36.374)
It sounds to me that maybe both of them are being accused of this now.

Wendy (07:40.082)
Okay. Yeah.

Kelli (07:42.722)
Yeah. Yeah, like Britt actually said Shemeah was lying about what her daughter was going through when they were in Grenada.

Wendy (07:51.272)
I know. mean, that makes, yeah. Like what?

Kelli (07:56.061)
Yeah, like we all saw, you know, we see it.

Wendy (07:59.006)
I mean, you would never lie about that, first of all. And I mean, you would never lie about that. And we all know that her daughter has been sick. I mean, we all know that.

Kelli (08:00.968)
No, no, no, you would never lie about that.

Kelli (08:09.421)
Bye.

Wendy (08:12.064)
Mmm.

Kelli (08:15.266)
Kelly's sister comes over.

Wendy (08:17.28)
Okay. And what, I don't know my notes.

Kelli (08:19.384)
they start talking about the new restaurant. But she basically admits like she can't open a new restaurant until she's legally divorced because he'd be entitled to some of it. Yeah, I mean, you know, she's smart. She's not dumb, Kelly.

Wendy (08:30.606)
that's right. Yes, exactly. Yes, no, no, exactly.

Kelli (08:37.486)
So. And then how about that scene with Ralph and Drew when he's playing the piano? So weird.

Wendy (08:43.552)
That was so weird. He calls her to see if he can come upstairs. Right? And then he's there. Yeah. And, you know, he's like, I want to see if we can work this out together. She was like, well, in the end, we have these beautiful children. Like, Ralph asked, like, how did we get here? And then he says, you know, the judge says, can't even see the kids Monday through Friday. I can't even take the kids to school or pick them up. Like, that's weird to me.

Kelli (08:49.72)
Yeah, I'm telling you.

Kelli (09:12.844)
Very weird.

Wendy (09:13.672)
And Drew says, you know you can always ask. And Ralph says, I think going forward, we can just be cool and be good. And he's like, let's do it. And then they high five each other. What?

Kelli (09:23.83)
It's very weird, I'm telling you, I think that this whole separation with them could be for the show. Could be for a storyline.

Wendy (09:32.37)
It's very weird. My next note was, I'm not really sure how I feel about this, because it doesn't even make sense. Because even so much as she says that the kids aren't there, they're at her mother's for the week, so they're not there at all. But yet he's gonna come upstairs to do a scene. And he's at the reunion, but he's on the opposite couch sitting next to Dennis, which again is odd that they're both.

Kelli (09:43.043)
Right.

Kelli (10:00.61)
So odd.

Wendy (10:01.62)
that they're both on the reunion, but we're not gonna jump there. I just think this whole thing is weird. Okay. Next we see, is it Chi Chi or C-C-C-C-

Kelli (10:12.757)
I have no idea.

Wendy (10:31.476)
A producer asked Phaedra if she's considered marriage again, if it was to the right man. And she's like, at this point in her life, she's not really interested in marriage, she's never been happier, which I get that. What does she need to get married for? She's got everything she needs. doesn't, just go out and have fun. She then asks someone there to go to this Charles Oakley gala, cause all the ladies are gonna be there.

Kelli (10:45.431)
Right.

Wendy (11:00.744)
This is kind of, I have kind of changed my opinion about what I said last week about Phaedra because it turns out that she's only filmed for 10 days and she was in five episodes. She was in five episodes and only filmed for 10 days. I heard her talk about this on the Jeff Lewis show. She was on Jeff Lewis. And I'm like, first of all,

if she's only filmed for 10 days, how did she get all this together about Angela? And why would she? Like, it just doesn't make sense to me. It doesn't make sense to me that she would do this. And the other thing that does, but why would she? Why would she?

Kelli (11:42.19)
she had it all together, knew Angela- because she knew Angela Oakley was gonna be on the show she got this shit together and-

Wendy (11:48.453)
But she wasn't gonna be on the show. She wasn't gonna be on the show. She didn't find, she didn't, she was only on the show for 10 days.

Kelli (11:55.97)
Phaedra knew that Angela Oakley was going to be on the new season of Atlanta.

Wendy (11:59.944)
I know, but that had nothing to do with her. She wasn't going to be on the show. What would it have to do with her?

Kelli (12:02.038)
Yes, she was trying to get back on the show. So she gets all this information and goes to somebody and says, I have this and I have this person who's willing to go on camera and say it. I 100 % believe that Phaedra did this. I believe this is how she got back on the show. She kept making those comments about Charles. I never knew Charles to be married. Okay, you knew him 10 years ago.

Wendy (12:11.112)
I don't-

I don't

Wendy (12:17.888)
Okay, so that's your.

I don't think she did. I don't, I

Kelli (12:31.042)
He's been married for eight. Well, you know, but Charles is a man about town. She couldn't stop talking about Charles. She wanted to get back on the show. She knew Angela was going to be on the show and she did all of this. I 100 % believe it.

Wendy (12:47.008)
I don't. mean, last week I was so aggravated with her and I was pissed off with her, and then this week I'm like, hmm, listen.

Kelli (12:56.014)
She's a liar. She's a liar. She got caught on television lying about the candy thing.

Wendy (13:01.31)
I don't, I don't, the other reason I don't, but then she admitted it. The other reason I don't think she did this is because one, she just came back on the show, right? Let's say she's been wanting to come back on the show. Why would she do something?

Kelli (13:17.63)
She's not gonna get kicked off the show for this.

Wendy (13:21.694)
All right, we're gonna get back to this again, because I have more on this later. Okay. Then we see Britt's house. Her mom is there and Mike, and Britt's mom has been living with them for a couple of weeks at this point, and she's just starting to get used to it. And she's having her whole family come over, and Mike's whole family, because they got married during COVID, and the families actually haven't even met each other. Little bit weird, but okay. Let's do this on national TV.

Kelli (13:47.107)
Yeah.

Bye.

Right.

Wendy (13:55.319)
So then it is the actual night of the Charles Oakley Foundation, right? We're there already. And it's been in existence since 2017 and their goal that night was to do $50,000. And he is hoping that the people that are there are gonna help him reach this goal because he wants to, you know, feed 100,000 people.

Kelli (14:01.742)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (14:21.645)
Right.

Wendy (14:22.896)
So then we see Angela calls up Drew to see where she's at. And she said she's on her way. Of course she's late, because Drew was late to everything, Always, right? Angela lets us know that her and Drew met up with Marcus at the restaurant because she wanted to get to the bottom of this whole situation, right?

Kelli (14:33.18)
yeah.

Wendy (14:51.09)
So.

Wendy (14:54.74)
They show you them at the restaurant and Marcus says, Charles has been in my restaurant twice with another woman. And Angela said, well, when was this? And he said in June. She said, you're a liar. You're a bad liar. My husband was coaching in the big three on national television at the time. can that be? So then Angela asked him directly, I just want to know who put you up to this. Like who put you at that event?

Kelli (15:14.414)
Bye.

Wendy (15:25.24)
and she looks at him and she's like, well, do you want to write it down? Which I thought was weird. So he shows, I guess he texts her, he shows her his phone, he whatever. And then...

Angela says, I'm gonna get to the bottom of this, right? So that's all we have right there. Then we find out, then Portia shows up, Portia's there and they ask her how she's doing, because she's still in the process of grieving and I think planning the burial of Landy. And she says she's doing okay. She's gonna send them all the information. Yeah, they have another funeral, about the cousin's funeral. And she says that even though

Britt told me that she's, Shemeah showed her my text messages, like, I'm gonna get to the bottom of this, but I'm not dealing with this now. Like, you know, I'll take care of this at another time. Britt says to Portia, you know she's mad at me now. And Portia says, well, how does she even know? Cynthia told her, that's how she knows. I think she was mad because, I mean,

Kelli (16:30.828)
Mm-hmm. Porsche seem mad.

Wendy (16:38.721)
It really wasn't Cynthia's place and like how did she know? Right?

Kelli (16:42.262)
Right. Well, she's just doing her job,

Wendy (16:45.618)
So Charles gets up and speaks and he says that, you know, growing up that there's, you know, he always liked to make sure that people were being fed like and cooking and was a big thing for him. So they want to honor this woman. She is the CEO of Meals on Wheels in Atlanta and they bring her up and they honor her and they honor somebody else. And then Angela's like, I want to bring up one of her new friends on stage and honor her. And she calls up Portia, which I was very surprised to see.

Kelli (17:13.058)
Yeah.

Wendy (17:13.9)
And she said that she really respects all the work that, you know, Portia and her cousin, Landy, were doing with the Grandfather's Foundation and giving back. And so she, you know, she wanted to honor her, which I thought was nice.

Kelli (17:24.43)
So the foundation was called the Hosea Feed the Hungry and Homeless. So they were also feeding the hungry and homeless. So it was very appropriate that she did that. Yeah, I looked it up because I was just curious to what her grandfather's foundation was. So it was very appropriate.

Wendy (17:32.8)
I didn't know that.

Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. It was appropriate. Yeah. Okay. That makes way more sense. Cause I had no idea what the foundation was. Okay. So good.

Kelli (17:47.436)
Yeah. Yeah, I'm like, I mean, was very nice of her to honor Portia, especially with what she was going through, but it just so happened that they were working on a foundation that was very similar to the Charles Oakley Foundation.

Wendy (17:58.994)
Yes, yes. So then we see Portia is very emotional and she's crying and the ladies like go with her to the bathroom and you know, Shemeah starts talking about how she never wanted her friendship with Portia to change once she got on the show and obviously that's not what happened. Angela asks Drew to get Phaedra that they're gonna step outside. Okay.

Kelli (18:17.261)
Right.

Wendy (18:28.16)
And she says to Charles she's going to step outside. And then they announced that they've raised $107,000, which is amazing since the goal was 50, right? So they knocked that out of the park. This is what I didn't understand. So she's going to step outside and she's trying to get Phaedra, but then we see them all sitting together on the couch, all of them. So was Phaedra not there? Is that why they were getting Phaedra? It didn't make sense to me. I thought that they were just going to have a conversation with Phaedra.

Kelli (18:35.232)
Amazing. Yeah. Yep. Amazing.

Wendy (18:57.524)
but then they were all sitting together on the couch.

Kelli (18:59.672)
I think she wanted everybody together, Angela. Because she starts out basically saying that I thought it was very odd that this happened in the middle of Kelly's event. Like she kind of addresses Britt, she addresses Kelly.

Wendy (19:02.528)
Okay.

Wendy (19:10.258)
Yes. Yeah. You know, I was ambushed at the event last week and Kelly went over and then she proposed the toast and in the middle Angela says, Kelly, I still find it odd that it would happen in the middle of your event.

Kelli (19:28.738)
I mean, listen, Kelly did say this was a paid event, people could pay to come, but we've been to these events where you pay to go and meet people. We're not doing toast with champagne with them. We're not that close to them. So it is a little, it's a little questionable.

Wendy (19:43.44)
No. No. No.

Wendy (19:52.54)
Yeah. And then Angela said, my husband, you know, when I told him what happened, he said, this doesn't add up, like who invited him? And she looks over at Britt and she says, you know, you and I didn't have the best relationship. And, okay, no, they didn't. And I wasn't certain if you sent someone.

And I thought she was like gonna point it towards Brit, right? Even though we found out last week it was gonna definitely be Phaedra, I still think it could be Brit. I really do.

Kelli (20:30.83)
Why would Britt do that?

Wendy (20:33.578)
Brit is messy.

Kelli (20:35.17)
Yeah, she is, but I don't know. mean, does she have these kind of connections already? people are gonna go to Phaedra and be like, I have this bit of information, like, you know.

Wendy (20:43.938)
I mean, Brit-

Wendy (20:48.84)
I don't know, I still think it could be Brit. Brit wanted to get on this show. So when Brit and Kelly came on, there was other people that were auditioning to be on this season and they didn't make it. she had to do something.

Kelli (21:05.774)
Maybe it was one of them. Maybe it was one of them, because they were pissed off that Angela got the spot and they didn't.

Wendy (21:09.088)
it.

Wendy (21:12.761)
I mean, maybe it was one of them. Maybe it was.

Kelli (21:14.858)
I still do think it was, I think, let's put it this way, I think Phaedra is very capable of doing this, and I think that Phaedra does have motive to do this. But it could be one of those other women who were just pissed off that Angela got the spot, you know, because by this point, they had been filming for a decent amount of time, so these other women had to know that they weren't gonna be featured on the show like Angela was. So it did give them plenty of time to reach out to whoever the hell they had to reach out to.

Wendy (21:46.624)
I mean, I don't know. I I also thought it was, we'll get there. So Britt said, you you said I'm a married woman at the end of the day. I would never want to sabotage you. And Drew and I were trying to get to the bottom of it. And I think she did. They said, who invited him? I don't know. Is he here? So he's there. Marcus is there.

Kelli (22:09.326)
Mm.

Wendy (22:10.44)
She goes to get Marcus and Charles realizes what's going on. So then Charles comes over and he's like, no, man, you're not, like, I want you out of here. And, you know, he actually said, get, you gotta leave, get your MF and ass out of here. And Angela's like trying to talk to Charles and say, no, no, no, no. Like I brought him here. Like she's like, arguing with Charles about this whole thing, which you would have thought that if she, she should have told him.

Kelli (22:38.968)
She should have told him. She probably thought he wouldn't even be in the area, but I loved in the confessional where she's like, I wanted him to clear your name. And Charles is like, nobody needs to clear my name. She's like, well, I wanted him to clear my name.

Wendy (22:42.41)
Right.

Wendy (22:49.248)
Angela gets to keep Marcus there, you know, Charles gets... Yes. So Marcus comes in and...

Kelli (23:01.888)
Eventually back down. Yeah

Wendy (23:09.696)
It's so funny too, because in the midst of all this, this is the other thing I wrote down, in the midst of all this going on with Charles, the other ladies are talking to each other. I don't know if you noticed though, Lamont Kelly's slash publicist slash friend is standing right there in the mix of it.

Kelli (23:29.006)
So I saw someone and I'm like, he looks familiar and I forgot who it was. That's who that was.

Wendy (23:34.376)
It was Lamont and I'm like, that's a little, that's a weird, right? Yeah, like that's a little weird. what's like, why is he right there when all this is going down, right?

Kelli (23:39.426)
That's questionable too.

Kelli (23:46.166)
Right, right. Yeah, it's like the game clue trying to piece this together.

Wendy (23:48.576)
Right. Yeah, exactly. It really is. then Marcus comes over and sits down and he said, you know, there's somebody in the circle of all of you that's not happy with Angela. And they're like, well, who? And he said, Phaedra. And Phaedra's like, what? What are you talking about? And he said, well, Phaedra's the godfather in Atlanta. you know, Phaedra being Phaedra.

Kelli (23:55.688)
It is.

Kelli (24:16.12)
Which is a weird thing for him to say.

Wendy (24:17.664)
Yeah, it feels like a godfather. Marcus said that she controls Atlanta. Marcus is saying, you dropped the tea off to me. She's like, I've never met you. He said, you dropped it off in an envelope. She said, what envelope? And Portia and Cynthia are like, no, there's no way that she's dropping off an envelope. And this is what really like, there's no way she's going to put something in writing. There's no way.

Kelli (24:24.952)
I don't believe that.

Kelli (24:42.99)
Well, I don't think she would put something in writing and I don't think she would ever do any of this herself. She would have somebody else do it for her.

Wendy (24:49.856)
I don't think she would. I just don't think she would because it would get back to her. Like it would get back to her and I don't think that she's that dumb. Like this is not a casual thing you say. You have to get somebody else in play to get this envelope to Marcus. That means somebody else has to be in You have to trust somebody else. Who the fuck is June Buck?

Kelli (25:09.74)
You have to trust Junebug.

I don't know, but I love when Cynthia was like, well, that could be any of us. We all got a cousin named Ju.

Wendy (25:19.764)
That so funny. That was so fun. my God, the June bug thing. I was dying with the June bug thing, you know, June bug, what? I mean, are you kidding me? Like that's what just doesn't make sense to me. Like it doesn't make sense. I mean, there's got first, no, it just doesn't make sense. Portia is, what did she say? She's the only one.

Kelli (25:23.726)
That was great.

Kelli (25:29.355)
I know.

Wendy (25:49.626)
she didn't frame.

Kelli (25:50.222)
Phaedra even called Angela and said something about-

Wendy (25:54.942)
I know his name. She said to him, she said, I know, I know his name. I know where he works. And she gave that information to Angela. So because she gave that information to Angela, Angela's like, well, if you know that, then it must, and if he's saying that it came from you, well, no, that's not really how it works, to be honest with you.

Kelli (26:00.088)
Yeah.

Kelli (26:15.916)
with Angela on this one. There could be other, you know, contenders in this, I mean, if you're doing the detective work, all signs are pointing towards Phaedra.

Wendy (26:29.244)
I don't know, Portia's like, she's only been on one trip. Like, why would she have it for Angela? She thinks that she's being framed.

Kelli (26:41.371)
or think she's being framed.

Wendy (26:41.386)
Britt has also said, Portia, Portia thinks that Phaedra's being framed.

Kelli (26:45.482)
yeah, I- please, Portia. You've lost all credibility. She's gonna- she's gonna come, you know, she's gonna ride hard for Phaedra. Frickin' frack. Right.

Wendy (26:50.25)
Brit is Brit-

Wendy (26:54.568)
Well, I mean, they are fricking crack. is also saying in her confessional that she doesn't think that an attorney would be dumb enough to put something in, you know, have a document and have another person involved in it.

Kelli (27:06.806)
She said that Candy and Todd drugged Portia and tried to have sex with her. I mean, we all know this. She is dumb, Phaedra. She does do dumb shit.

Wendy (27:17.268)
But she admitted to it. She admitted to it. I know, but I don't think she did this. I really don't. I don't.

Kelli (27:21.294)
But she still did it! But she still did it!

Wendy (27:33.31)
And listen, I don't think she did it. think, I don't know.

Wendy (27:41.396)
I mean, the fact that Angela's trusting Marcus, I mean, to get the information from, and she's saying that because Phaedra gave her the information of his name and where he worked, that it must be her. If it was her, why would she call up Angela and give him the information, knowing that he would out her? That doesn't make sense, does it?

Kelli (28:08.194)
Now.

Wendy (28:10.355)
I don't know.

Kelli (28:10.828)
I don't know. still, like I said, I still think Phaedra could have done it. But I agree that there are other people who could have done it as well. I'm not totally convinced she did it, but I'm heavily convinced.

Wendy (28:28.006)
I don't know. Angela said all roads lead to Phaedra. And then Phaedra said, well, did you tell us that you were in foreclosure? And Angela's like, I'll tell you all the tea about that. But then Angela, and again, I didn't like this. Angela says to Phaedra, do you let your kids visit their father? And Phaedra's like, yeah, they see him all the time. Why did she do that? That had nothing to do with anything, really.

Kelli (28:40.268)
Yeah, exactly.

Kelli (28:50.018)
Yeah, I didn't like that either. Why did you do that?

Kelli (28:56.844)
Because let's say Phaedra did do this. She's coming after your marriage, she's not going after your kid. Like these women really gotta stick to the, lay off the kids rule, all of them, all the franchises across the board. Stop with the kids. These kids did not ask to be on this show.

Wendy (29:12.552)
Right, and they're not getting paid.

Kelli (29:14.584)
They're not getting paid, you know, can't, just leave them alone.

Wendy (29:19.264)
Yeah. Kelly even says like, leave the kids out of this. And then in the confessional, Shemeah and Kelly are both saying that that Brit is the prime suspect. So they both think it's Brit. Then we start to see like the ending. So after three years, Kelly finally closed the doors on her marriage in September of 2024. She's preparing to open a new her new doors to her Sandy Springs.

Kelli (29:23.896)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (29:46.364)
Nana's Chicken and Waffles location sometime in spring or summer 2025. And she will be double checking the guest list for the grand opening. Then we see Brit gets up. This is the other reason. So Brit gets up and walks out after Shemeah said to her, you threatened people with a gun. And like, I don't know that whole thing with Brit.

and the gun in the beginning and the way that she walked out and her and Mike are like, know, like, let's take the mics off. Yeah, like something, I don't know. I think Brit is a prime suspect. Brit is using her clean slate to open up a new insurance agent. She's also working hard to release her bare and naked so that the masses can be snatched just like her. Yeah, okay.

Kelli (30:17.592)
taking their mics off.

Wendy (30:37.824)
Drew's album, I Did It To Me was released in March of 2025 while her music career is on a high. Her relationship with Ralph is still on a low and he continues to reside in his basement apartment in the sky with an end to the divorce nowhere in sight. So yeah, something, there's something going on there. Something, I agree with that. I do agree with that, something's not ending up. Baby Shiloh continues to make.

Kelli (30:55.598)
There's something, something's not adding up here, yeah.

Wendy (31:06.368)
progress. She has a new surrogate in hopes to welcome a baby boy soon. Her single Never Had was released in March of 2025 and she hopes that listeners don't talk over it this time. So, and I told you that I think it was on the after show. I didn't watch the after Oh yeah, did I watch the after show? No, didn't watch. I didn't watch this after show. Darn it. Anyway, I didn't have time. But on the last after show, she said that she was any day. hopefully we'll find out at the reunion.

Kelli (31:24.471)
I did not.

Kelli (31:35.436)
wow, so they're that close to having a son.

Wendy (31:39.494)
Well, we'll see what happened because she was finding out on the last after show, which they filmed prior to the reunion. So maybe at the reunion, we'll find out something. Phaedra's booked and busy and adding more jobs to her resume until her boys retire. Meanwhile, her chocolate prince, Cici Cici, is still satisfying her sweet tooth.

Kelli (31:47.628)
Okay, okay, okay, right.

Wendy (32:04.688)
Angela's sold three of her houses, unfortunately, but two have unfortunately been lost. However, she's staying cool under pressure with her next business venture. I don't know what this is. It said FANGIE, F-A-N-G-I-E, line of fans. Is that a real thing?

Kelli (32:22.486)
I have no idea. I meant to look that up and I totally forgot.

Wendy (32:24.382)
I was... Yeah. I don't know if that's a real thing or not, but...

Kelli (32:29.846)
I don't either. What is it? FAN-GIE?

Wendy (32:33.48)
Yeah. And then it said no word on when she and Charles will renew their vows. I recommend that you don't. It's like a kiss of death. Don't do it.

Kelli (32:39.586)
Don't do it, man, it's the kiss of death. It's like putting tattooing their name on you. Don't do it. Got a lot of opinions tonight. it came up, fangirl.

Wendy (32:44.402)
Yeah, don't do it. Don't. Don't do it. I agree.

Wendy (32:50.312)
Is it a re- I don't know if it's a real thing. We'll have to wait and find out.

Kelli (32:54.954)
It's not, I mean, it's not coming up in Google. There's no AI explanation for it.

Wendy (32:58.814)
So, okay, then it must not be real then. So, yeah, they do not.

Kelli (33:03.355)
It must not be real. AI knows everything. Exactly. I'm over the whole AI thing, but obviously it's here to stay, so.

Wendy (33:14.588)
Yes it is. Five months later, Portia and Simon's house is now just Portia's home. Portia's so happy that she's finally able to film in her home. She said they still have to figure out how the split's gonna happen and we get to see her home, which by the way is gorgeous. I mean that home is gorgeous. Miss Diane comes over to Portia's house and she's talking about how she talked to her attorney and that she's gonna have a date for the divorce.

Kelli (33:29.506)
Gorgeous.

Mm-hmm.

Wendy (33:43.072)
and that she has not seen his face or spoken to him in over 10 months. And she's hoping that when she gets in front of the judge in a month, the judge will say the prenup is enforced. And if that's the case, everything is split equally and she feels great. Then it says Simon was detained while entering the country in February of 2025, leaving the divorce on ICE, ICE. But we do know that the divorce is final and

I the prenup was upheld because she has the house, right? I mean, she still has the house. We saw her photo shoot. By the way, did you see that photo shoot where she was doing the Angela Bassett? So good. I mean, no one does a divorce photo shoot like these housewives, right? Right? Yes.

Kelli (34:14.349)
Yeah.

Kelli (34:20.5)
Angela Bassett, so good.

Kelli (34:26.702)
I know Ashley Darby. Yeah, this one was great. I love that movie Waiting to Exhale. It's one of my favorite movies. I got the chills. That was a great photo shoot.

Wendy (34:35.366)
I know, I know, it was good.

It really was. I didn't see the after show, but I did watch Watch What Happens Live. Did you watch that?

Kelli (34:45.834)
No, because I really can't stand Phaedra. I have a hard time watching these women, so I had to turn off Larsa and I had to turn off Phaedra.

Wendy (34:48.467)
Okay.

Wendy (34:53.716)
Okay, so I will give you the intel on this one. So it was Phaedra and Ariana. And by the way, I love Ariana. I'm loving Ariana. I'm loving.

Kelli (34:55.63)
Please do.

Kelli (34:59.296)
that's right.

She's coming off great. I'm not watching the show. And I'm not watching it people because Gia Giudice is on it. Take her out of it. I probably would have watched it.

Wendy (35:09.758)
She's not even on it that much. I'll be quite honest with you. Of all of them, she's got the smallest part so far. But anyway.

Kelli (35:17.792)
And I thought I wouldn't want to watch it because of Ariana too, but it sounds like she's coming off fantastic on this show.

Wendy (35:22.432)
love, love, love, love Ariana. Really do.

Kelli (35:26.648)
Good, and she and Riley seem extremely close, which I love.

Wendy (35:31.028)
Well, we're gonna get there. So Hudson's also there, her boyfriend. So Andy starts out asking Phaedra if she is Junebug and if she sent Marcus there to ruin Angela's marriage. She said, make it make sense. Like I've been gone for so many years. Like why would I come back and do something like this? When would I have even had time to do it? I agree. And all those other things, I don't think it's Phaedra.

Kelli (35:52.419)
I don't.

Kelli (35:57.399)
I really think she, this is how she got by. All right. I said my piece.

Wendy (35:59.846)
Ariana says she thinks, all right, Ariana says she thinks Brit did it. And because she said, and Phaedra said she didn't have any beef with Angela. She had no beef with Angela. Phaedra said the blow up between Kelly and Brit, because then they start talking about, went from zero to 100 really quick. And they didn't even show most of it when they were doing at Phaedra's event. Andy asked Ariana, this was filmed a year ago, where are you and Riley today? And she said she's my

best friend. I was like, I love that. She's my best friend. Like they talk every day and she's grateful for the show for bringing her friendship back together and she loves New York and she can't imagine going back to Atlanta. And she's like, she's thriving there and I'm so happy for her.

Kelli (36:32.302)
Thank you.

Kelli (36:45.822)
Does she have a job there?

Wendy (36:48.244)
Well, she is her and her boyfriend are starting a fashion line. She wants to start a fashion line. She really has a love for fashion. So that's what she's going to be doing. I mean, she has been supporting herself by being a brand ambassador and yes.

Kelli (37:01.218)
Like, okay, that's what I was wondering. how, I mean, obviously if her boyfriend is wealthy, then she could be living off of him, but it doesn't seem like she is. It seems like.

Wendy (37:06.431)
Yeah.

Wendy (37:09.684)
He's yeah.

Wendy (37:13.236)
Well, I mean, the apartment that you did wind up getting is $10,000 a month and it's very nice. But $10,000 a month really for a very nice apartment in New York City is not crazy because New York is crazy expensive.

Kelli (37:25.13)
Exactly. Exactly.

Wendy (37:27.2)
So then Andy asked Ariana, what was her mom's reaction that you outed her for taking money from you on Next Gen? And she said, I want to clarify this. Everybody wants it to be just my mother. This is a partnership. I gave my parents notice that I'm going to be telling the truth, my truth in my story. It's not just her mother. It was both of them.

Kelli (37:50.979)
Right.

Wendy (37:52.048)
Andy asked Ariana, did you figure out how much money was spent by them? Ariana said, no, and I don't really want to know. Like, she's so mature. Yeah, she's so mature.

Kelli (37:58.958)
She's probably better off not knowing. Yeah, you're probably better off not knowing. And you know what, even if she does know, just keep saying that. Because it's certainly not anybody else's business.

Wendy (38:05.78)
Yeah.

Now, Andy's like, Andy's really, this is why I'm telling you, I really like her. Andy asked, does your mom ask you to purchase specific things? Ariana said, the only time my mom asked me for money is when she needs to pay bills or it's something for the kids and then she pays me back when she can. Fair enough. Andy said, Andy says there was rumors about your mom's gambling. Is there anything you'd like to say about that? Ariana says, Exactly, yep.

Kelli (38:35.79)
Good for her, good for her. Why does she have to answer for her mother?

Wendy (38:39.264)
She said, I'm not talking. She says, actually she says, no, I'm not talking about that. And Phaedra sitting next to her sipping her drink. I'm just like. It was funny. It was funny. And I'm telling you, I really, and Phaedra watches the show too. And she's like, she's a fan of it too. Andy asks, does this stuff happen with Brielle as well? Arne said, the taking of our money.

Kelli (38:49.474)
That's funny. That's funny.

Wendy (39:07.592)
and stuff and he says yes and Oriana

Kelli (39:13.026)
What does she do?

Wendy (39:15.07)
I don't know what Brielle's doing. We haven't seen her, I mean she's not on the show. We don't know. I know she's got a boyfriend for a long time too. She's probably an influencer and a brand ambassador as well.

Kelli (39:22.272)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kelli (39:28.01)
I think that, I mean, she moved out to LA, didn't she? Wasn't she trying to get like on E-channel or something? That was a long time ago.

Wendy (39:33.12)
was a long time ago. It was. I don't know what she's doing now. Then Andy says to Ariana, your mom's your best friend. see it later on in season. How do you reconcile with that? Ariana said that you should never ruin your relationship with your family over money. know, God blesses us with more money. I can always make more money. I'm just happy to have my mom and my best friend.

Kelli (39:59.31)
Well, the thing is, is that now she's in a position where she does know the truth and she can not give her money if she doesn't want to. Or if her mother says, your brothers and sisters need this, she can say, okay, I will go do that for them myself. Like, you know what I mean? She knows now.

Wendy (40:19.028)
Well, I just think she knows and listen, she's not holding it against her. Like she's moved past it. It is what it is. This is something that happened. And she's not, again, she's not blaming just her mother. It was both of them, right?

Kelli (40:34.284)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (40:38.15)
She's been with her mom. She knows who her mom, she knows who Kim is. She knows who her mom is, right? And it's her mom. I so like how she handles this whole situation. I like how she responds to Andy. I think she is so mature. I think that she is like so much more mature than Gia. And I feel like she has gone through just as much as Gia has. I mean, know her,

Kelli (40:42.382)
Bye. Bye. Bye.

Wendy (41:08.412)
her father wasn't deported and her mom didn't go to jail. I mean, things that go on in the press with Croy and her mom and just so many things, right? Right, right.

Kelli (41:19.384)
Public humiliation. Yeah, no, I totally agree with you. She seems like a very solid, and it's amazing to me that Kim's, like Kim has a daughter who's so well adjusted. mean, Teresa is, Gia is just a, she's just a Teresa 2.0. I mean, let's face it. know, Ariana does not seem like she is like that.

Wendy (41:32.681)
Yes.

Wendy (41:46.076)
It's funny because Andy did say that I feel like, you know, he loves watching them too. He's like, I love watching. He goes, and they're all like their mothers, but in a different way. And I kind of agree with him on that. They are all like their mothers, but in a different way. Like Brooks is a lot like Meredith, but in a different way. Like I really like Brooks now. I never liked him when he would be on the cameo because that wasn't his space.

Kelli (42:10.998)
I know he seems more likable on this show, but again, that comes down to Meredith not really being a genuine person and showing us anything that's really going on in her life. So Brooks is just there as a, you know.

Wendy (42:14.047)
He-

Wendy (42:27.816)
Yeah, a prop. I don't like to say that, but yeah, prop, because also Brooks does say in probably the most recent episode that his brother and sister are in New York. He's in New York and his parents are in New York all the time. He's like, they're all together all the time. he's like, most parents, like their kids move away and then they're on their own. He's like, but my parents, like they followed us.

Kelli (42:28.866)
Just like a prop, thank you. Exactly. Yeah.

Kelli (42:51.33)
Right.

Wendy (42:57.62)
Like we can't get rid of them. So that also tells you.

Kelli (42:57.836)
Yeah. Is his sister on the show as a cast member?

Wendy (43:03.54)
She's not on as a cast member, but she is on the show. She's not like a, yeah, she's not a full cast member, but she's on the show.

And she's so cute. She's such a cute girl. like, I did, I did. I think it might've been for pride. I don't know. Okay, that's good. Don't say anything. So then the next question Andy asks, how is your relationship with Kroy these days? Ariana said, it goes in waves.

Kelli (43:14.744)
Did you see Meredith DJing?

Kelli (43:22.358)
I'm just not gonna say anything.

Wendy (43:38.428)
It kind of depends what motion he's filing this week in this insane divorce. He will always be my dad. I think a lot of this is coming from anger. And again, it's so, so intelligent, so well-spoken. Andy asks her, what's the biggest misconception? She said, the biggest misconception is people think that they're getting back together. And she said that, no, that's not happening.

Kelli (44:05.166)
I do not.

Wendy (44:06.182)
Now, Andy asks another shady question. If you have memories of Big Papa, why would he

Kelli (44:13.506)
Why would he even ask that?

Wendy (44:15.936)
And she says she does. Next question he asks her, where does your mom stand with Chet Hanks? Do you know that whole story Chet? Yeah.

Kelli (44:27.097)
yeah, Tom Hanks' son. They met on the reality show. House of Villains.

Wendy (44:31.11)
Yeah, she said, yeah, she said, was it House of Ville? Whatever the show was. No, it wasn't House of Ville. It was something else. Anyway, the surreal life, I think it was.

Kelli (44:35.242)
I don't know. I don't know, actually.

Wendy (44:44.35)
She said, I don't know. I know that they talk now and then, which is fine.

Kelli (44:49.826)
Why is he asking her so many questions about her mom? That would annoy the shit out of me if I were her.

Wendy (44:55.698)
I know, but she just, like I said, she just handles, she really did, she really did. And then the next thing was, did he ask her? I think he did. He said, yeah, where is she at now? Like what she's doing? She said, she just got a new house, it's in the Atlanta suburbs and she loves it. And honestly, that's all I wrote down. I didn't even write down anything else more about Phaedra because he was just really, and I was really excited to hear what,

Kelli (44:57.518)
She took it like a champ.

Good for her.

Wendy (45:24.466)
Ariana had to say because I said I'm really enjoying her on this show. I'm really enjoying Brooks on the show and Riley is amazing. are really, they're really, they're standout. They really are standout. Like they are going to be successful. They are going to be successful. Riley's going to be that DJ. She is. That's what she wants to do. She's got her NYU degree. Go be the DJ.

Kelli (45:25.741)
Yeah.

Kelli (45:45.026)
Yeah. Yeah.

Listen, if Kyle Cook can do it, Riley, you can. Keep on keepin' on, girl.

Wendy (45:55.454)
You know, Kyle Cook was at the headliner this past Saturday. Yeah. So that's all I have for the...

Kelli (45:57.966)
I saw that.

Kelli (46:02.572)
Not interested. Now, Paulie D comes to the headliner. I'm in.

Wendy (46:08.542)
No, we can't go. We're too old. We can't go to that. We can't. We can't do it. We can't.

Kelli (46:10.86)
Come on.

That was where Eric and I went on our first date. Pete and Aldis and Headliner.

Wendy (46:17.012)
Okay, and how, yeah, we can't do it, we're too old. I know, it is what it is.

Sorry. I know.

Kelli (46:29.326)
It's very disappointing, because I feel like we could be there.

Wendy (46:33.728)
I mean, we can go, but we will stand out.

Kelli (46:37.592)
will look ridiculous. All right.

Wendy (46:40.394)
can't go. can't, sorry. All right, so that's all I have. I am looking forward to the reunion. I know this whole Phaedra thing is gonna come out at the reunion about Angela. It does look like they go at it. I mean, Phaedra is back. She's already said it. She's back and she's filming. Yeah.

Kelli (46:52.216)
Well, it looks like she and Angela go at it.

Yeah.

Kelli (47:02.51)
They're already filming?

Wendy (47:06.388)
That's weird though, right? Maybe they're not filming, but she said that she's back. And Cynthia said she was back also. Not that Cynthia was back, but that Phaedra was back, because Cynthia hadn't gotten the letter yet. So I don't know. I'm curious to see what happens with Ralph. And it does seem like Phaedra kind of has a thing for Ralph. Didn't you see that? Didn't you see that she was kind of like?

Kelli (47:07.234)
Yeah, I mean this is not that she's gonna get kicked off for, but...

Kelli (47:12.76)
Yeah, well, yes, and-

Kelli (47:16.994)
Yeah. Right.

Kelli (47:35.278)
She made a comment. I mean, listen, I think Phaedra just likes to call out handsome men when she sees it. Yeah. He's a good looking man. He needs to put his shirt back on, cause it's a little cringy.

Wendy (47:41.502)
Well, she definitely does. And Ralph is, he's a good looking man.

Wendy (47:48.544)
I mean, Apollo is a good looking man. Phaedra does pick good looking men. Yes. Yeah.

Kelli (47:51.81)
I'll tell you what, Apollo looks fine.

Apollo was a good looking man. Of all the Atlanta house husbands. But I'm a big Charles Oakley fan too. Yeah.

Wendy (48:04.255)
I'm tri-

There you go. They couldn't be any more opposite too.

Kelli (48:11.392)
I know, I know. Nobody else stands out, but I'm sure there were others too.

Wendy (48:17.62)
So I did, so I did hear, maybe this was yet another reason. I did hear Phaedra on Jeff Lewis and Jeff Lewis was talking to her about he wants to go into the funeral home business with her and, you know, Jeff Lewis was being Jeff Lewis and he wants her to get the diamond machine where you turn your loved ones into diamonds and, you know, no, it's a thing. yeah, it's definitely a thing. Yeah. I don't know.

Kelli (48:37.71)
I didn't even know that was a thing.

Kelli (48:42.006)
Interesting.

Wendy (48:49.136)
I'm choosing to believe it's not Phaedra. Until you can show me hard evidence, that's where I stand. I know I'm a flip-flopper. I'm a flip-flopper. I admit it.

Kelli (49:00.598)
We all do it from time to time, you're allowed. I firmly believe that Phaedra is capable and would have motive to do this. But I agree, there are definitely some other contenders. So listen, it is interesting to me that it was talked about on social media prior to it coming out on the episode. That typically does not happen. So maybe, just maybe, we're gonna get a bombshell at the reunion.

Wendy (49:03.315)
Okay, thanks.

Wendy (49:29.737)
Maybe.

Kelli (49:29.75)
and somebody is gonna say it wasn't Phaedra, it was this person and show proof. That would be something.

Wendy (49:34.368)
That would be something. You're right, because I mean, there was a Carlos King. Like, came out, it all came out before, yeah. Yeah. Yep. Yep.

Kelli (49:43.53)
Absolutely. And he knows better.

Somebody said though that he did it because he was salty because when he said I didn't I never heard this and I don't know if this is true But I did hear that somebody said on social media that he got fired along with Phaedra When that all came out about her lying about candy and Todd drugging Portia because he was in on it I don't know if that's true, but I heard somebody say that that that's why he got fired

Wendy (50:11.797)
It could be.

It could be.

Kelli (50:16.096)
Yeah, it could be.

I'm gonna look into that.

Wendy (50:19.904)
Yeah.

Yeah, let's look into that for the next episodes. No, I didn't, and I honestly didn't know that he got fired. I thought he left on his own. All right.

Kelli (50:25.602)
Yeah, because I had never heard that before.

Kelli (50:33.176)
So did I. I never heard he got fired. I never heard any of that. So, and I forget where...

Wendy (50:37.578)
Yeah.

Kelli (50:40.822)
I mean, it had to be somebody on TikTok or something.

Wendy (50:45.246)
I will also say before we end this, thought that the ladies' dresses for the gala were way more appropriate than their reunion dresses.

Kelli (50:45.272)
So.

Kelli (50:53.614)
Totally agree. I thought everybody looked great. I thought Shemeah had a little bit of a little red riding hood look with pink, not red, but whatever. The hood thing, you know, I know that was a thing for a while, but I did think that everybody looked really nice at the foundations gala, but the reunion looks, I wasn't a fan.

Wendy (51:03.733)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Wendy (51:13.696)
Yeah.

No, me neither, me neither. All right, so that's it for Atlanta. Until next time, thank you for watching and listening. Please subscribe, give us five star reviews. Bye.

Kelli (51:26.136)
Bye.