RHOA-I like a Hustler

Wendy (00:01.024)
Hi, welcome to We Why Whenever, I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:03.527)
I'm Kelly.

Wendy (00:05.23)
We are talking about Real Housewives of Atlanta, season 16, episode number 11. It's called Let's Be Honest. I wanna start out and say our hearts go out to Angela and her family. She had posted on Sunday evening when this episode aired that her mother has passed suddenly since this was filmed. like I said, our hearts go out to her because she seemed like a lovely woman and

Kelli (00:30.217)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Wendy (00:33.964)
We were just starting to get to know her.

Kelli (00:36.787)
Yeah, that's sad.

Wendy (00:38.25)
It is sad. And we start out the episode with Charles and Angela and Angela gives us a little bit of background on Charles. She lets us know that he is a retired pension earning NBA player. I had no idea that NBA players received a pension. Did you?

Kelli (00:58.767)
No, but I'm gonna say this. I've always said about the Kardashians, they want that NBA money. They're gonna get that NBA money. Because I remember Atlanta, season one, what the hell was her name? She was married to the NBA player. And I remember her saying to Lisa, who was married to an NFL player, like, those contracts are wow.

Wendy (01:01.345)
Okay.

Wendy (01:06.07)
Wendy (01:16.109)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Kelli (01:26.205)
Like, NBA contracts are guaranteed. You get hurt, you're guaranteed your money. So that NBA money is guaranteed. this, I didn't know it, but it doesn't surprise me.

Wendy (01:38.292)
Yeah, I was like, the NBA has a pension. I had no idea. I thought that their money was from endorsements and from, but apparently not.

Kelli (01:46.739)
Yep, they get that too. That just shows you how much money the NBA is making. And the Knicks have the, you you can't go to a Knicks game. You can't go to a regular season Knicks game. If I wanted to take my two kids and my husband and go to a Knicks game, I can't get through the door for $1,000 for the four of us. Nose bleeds.

Wendy (02:05.1)
And you're getting nosebleeds. You're not getting anything good either. You're not getting anything good. And the garden's big, so nosebleeds are nosebleeds.

Kelli (02:11.763)
Yep. Yep. Yep. So it doesn't surprise me, but good for him.

Wendy (02:18.924)
Yeah. But in addition to that, he also owns multiple car washes and also coaches of the killer threes of big three basketball league. I have no idea what that is. I don't know if they're kids. I don't know if they're adults. I don't know what they are, but he's doing his thing.

Kelli (02:34.545)
I don't know either and I meant to look it up, but I literally just watched this this morning and then I had a busy day at work so I didn't have time to look it up. But I don't know what it is either. We'll look it up.

Wendy (02:44.726)
Yeah, and she also said like he likes to go wherever the money is. He does not like to sit down and I like a hustler. I do like a hustler.

Kelli (02:50.863)
Absolutely. Absolutely.

Wendy (02:53.782)
Angela's telling Charles that she needs to talk to her sister because she hasn't talked to her since the way she treated her daughter, Amari, about the whole borrowing of the car thing. But first she wants to sit down with her mother because her mother was there for the whole thing and her mother didn't stick up for her granddaughter. Yeah, it is wild.

Kelli (03:13.065)
Yeah, which is why.

Kelli (03:16.884)
But, but, but, it's your daughter, like it's your daughter and your granddaughter, but.

Wendy (03:20.918)
Right. Yeah, I know. I know.

Kelli (03:23.155)
you know, tough situation for that poor woman to be in.

Wendy (03:26.282)
I agree. And she says that, you know, she's going to make a date with her mom to sit down and talk about it. I thought it was funny when Charles says, I don't know if he caught this. His family was Tyler Perry before there even was a Tyler Perry. You didn't catch that? Yeah. That's what he said. I was like, that's And we see since.

Kelli (03:37.521)
I didn't catch that. That's what he said.

That is funny.

Kelli (03:48.255)
How about when the producer said, you love Angela?

Wendy (03:51.159)
yeah, what was that about?

Kelli (03:53.341)
And he like, just looked like, say yes, Charles. Just say yes.

Wendy (03:57.792)
Right. Yeah, I guess he doesn't like to be put on the spot.

Kelli (04:03.513)
Obviously, he's got that oppositional defiance disorder.

Wendy (04:07.008)
Yes, he does. He does not like to be told what to do. He does not want to be put on the spot.

Kelli (04:10.919)
No, exactly, exactly.

Wendy (04:15.886)
And he's catching a lot of heat for that too, by the way.

Kelli (04:18.973)
I'm sure he is, I'm sure he is. Listen, he obviously loves his wife, come on. They've been together long enough, he loves his wife, but it wasn't a great look.

Wendy (04:20.963)
Yeah.

Right.

No. Cynthia and Sheme are meeting up and it was after the whole Porsche event pampered by Porsche. Sheme admits that she didn't sleep the night before because of what had happened between her and Porsche. And she's crying about, like she's still upset. This is the next day. She's still upset. Her and Porsche were very good friends for a very long time.

Kelli (04:52.989)
middle school. she did confirm, right? First she said elementary and then she was like middle school.

Wendy (04:57.678)
Yeah. And Cynthia, listen, I really like Cynthia this season. I mean, I've always liked Cynthia, but she's really the perfect friend of, she really is because she has so many connections in this group and she goes back very far, not from the very beginning, but she does go back very far. I think she came in season three or two or three, three, I think it was three. And she's apologizing, like she's apologizing to Shemeah that...

Kelli (05:04.743)
Absolutely. Yes.

Kelli (05:16.819)
I want to say three. Yeah.

Wendy (05:25.026)
the way Portia acted basically. And she knows what it's like, you know, to have a problem with someone who you're close with because she can kind of relate based on what happened between her and Nini, you know?

Kelli (05:39.347)
Yeah, and she and NeNe were friends prior to her coming on the show, and then she comes on the show, and then NeNe started acting a different way towards her.

Wendy (05:49.558)
And I wasn't clear about that. Like, were they really friends or was that just the storyline that they were friends?

Kelli (05:55.249)
I mean, that's a good point you bring up because now we know that that's what production does. They bring people on and say, she's so and so's friend, but they really weren't friends. Cynthia came on the show as Nini's friend, but again, right.

Wendy (06:05.791)
I think that that's the case.

but I don't think she was. I don't think she was. I think she might have admitted that on Humblebrag. I don't think she really was. But once she took that assignment seriously. she was brought on as NeNe's friend. So she's like, I'm NeNe's friend. I'm gonna be NeNe's friend. I'm gonna get my friend contract out. I'm gonna be friends with NeNe and I'm going to, I'm gonna take this, right? This is the role I've been given, right? And she really did become

Kelli (06:15.539)
Okay.

Kelli (06:22.687)
for

Kelli (06:29.498)
Yes, she did!

Kelli (06:34.653)
Yeah. Yeah. And basically that friend contract was like, are, like, are we going to do this? Like, are you going to be my ride and die and I'm going to be your ride and die? Like, are we doing this or are we not doing this?

Wendy (06:44.598)
Yes. Yes, that's what it was. And like I said, she took it very seriously and she really did become friends with her. And so when they had the falling out, you know, it hurt. So she can totally relate to what Shimi is going through.

Kelli (06:52.371)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (07:05.311)
To me, said that Angela repeated what she said incorrectly.

Wendy (07:05.43)
shimmy

Wendy (07:09.324)
Right, right. And listen, I feel like in the telephone game, that's what happens, right? If you're having a problem with your friend, you need to just talk to your friend about it. And then these problems don't get blown up like this, right?

Kelli (07:26.015)
That's right.

Kelli (07:30.143)
That's right. Yeah, there's a way to avoid the issue.

Wendy (07:34.486)
Yeah.

Kelli (07:36.103)
It was interesting to learn about Shamiya's mom and Diane.

Wendy (07:40.396)
And Porsche's mom, right? I was surprised to hear that too.

Kelli (07:44.081)
I knew Diane felt a certain way about Shemeah.

Wendy (07:48.524)
Because we saw her say that. And we had no idea why.

Kelli (07:51.143)
So this doesn't necessarily have to be a Shemeah thing. Maybe it's a Shemeah mom thing, which is why Diane feels a certain.

Wendy (08:02.284)
I wonder what it is.

Kelli (08:02.623)
because she said the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. I guess Diane, for some reason, thinks Shemeah's mom did her dirty for some reason.

Wendy (08:11.564)
Yeah, I don't know what that's about, but it really shouldn't carry down because

Kelli (08:13.831)
Mm-hmm. I'm not a big fan of Diane.

Wendy (08:18.284)
Yeah. Well, she just honestly, she just rubber stamps whatever Porsche does. She doesn't really hold her accountable. She never has.

Kelli (08:24.126)
Yeah.

Mm-mm, no, she's, but Portia's for everything. Portia's paying for Diane, she's paying for Lauren, all the babies that come along. Portia's paying for everything.

Wendy (08:32.505)
Yeah.

Wendy (08:39.522)
Yeah, that's true. That's what's happening.

She may admit that she misses the friendship that she had. I hope they get it back, I really do. Then we see Cynthia and Angela and Portia go bowling. I thought it was funny, Angela wants the bumpers out and Portia says, no girl, you're old. There's no bumpers for you. I was like, okay.

Kelli (08:52.937)
Me too.

Wendy (09:10.542)
you

Kelli (09:11.845)
Angela and Cynthia are around the same age. mean obviously Porsche is younger. But they have to be right? I mean I think Cynthia's around my age right? 50?

Wendy (09:16.578)
They could be.

Wendy (09:24.334)
Oh, my Apple Watch was talking to me, but no, it didn't answer the question. I think you're right. think she's in her early... She might be a little bit older because she celebrated her 50th on a while ago. I think she's probably more like 55 or 56.

Kelli (09:35.455)
Oh, that's right. 50, yeah, 50 cents.

Kelli (09:44.243)
I think you're right.

Wendy (09:47.898)
And listen, I think Angela could be there too. It's very hard to tell. I mean...

Kelli (09:51.263)
It is very hard to tell. And Charles Oakley is probably definitely there.

Wendy (09:55.978)
Yeah, I mean the only thing he's got that's showing it is the gray, but other than that, it's very hard to tell. Yeah, it does. It really does.

Kelli (09:59.537)
I know. But damn it doesn't look good on him. For the love of God, he looks better than he ever did.

Wendy (10:07.51)
Yeah. It was fun watching those three interact together. Again, I like how Cynthia tries to, you know, bring everything back to what's important, right? Because Portia said at the end of the day, we are friends and we should be able to lean on that, which is true. At the end of the day, they are friends, you know?

Kelli (10:14.697)
Yeah.

Kelli (10:22.759)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (10:31.049)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (10:35.726)
We see Drew is on her way home from her lawyer's office. And you know what? I didn't pick this up until after. Her lawyer's Tanya and she's talking to her mom on the phone and she had to have an emergency meeting because Ralph is trying to recuse Tanya from her case. I was like, Ralph is trying to get her attorney recused from the case.

Kelli (10:47.145)
Yeah.

Kelli (11:04.543)
They don't say why though.

Wendy (11:06.166)
No, they do. He's trying to claim that he is the rightful owner of Drew Sedura LLC, and he wants 40 % of that LLC that she created in 2005. Since then, since this whole thing with her and Ralph have been going on, her attorney Tanya and Drew, I guess, created a new LLC.

Kelli (11:31.455)
I didn't know that.

Wendy (11:32.35)
And she said she is providing for the kids 100%. So because there's another LLC that Tanya is, I guess, a part of or right. That's why he wants her recused. But this is a divorce proceeding. So I feel like you can hire whoever you want. Whether you're

Kelli (11:42.399)
partner and

Kelli (11:52.114)
Right.

Kelli (11:57.651)
Yeah, she's an attorney and she's also a business partner. And.

Wendy (12:01.063)
Right, whether they're your business partner or not.

Kelli (12:04.743)
Right, and if it was a business that was started after they were separated, it has nothing to do with Ralph. And he should have no, I mean, I don't know what the Georgia laws are, but New Jersey laws, I believe, are your spouse is entitled to half of everything you acquire during the marriage. I believe that's what New Jersey law is. So even if that's Georgia law, if she acquired this business after they were separated,

Wendy (12:11.478)
Absolutely.

Kelli (12:33.789)
He's not entitled to any of it. I mean, I would hope so. I would hope that you wouldn't have to be legally divorced. If you're legally separated, which they are, that should apply. So who cares who her business partner is? There's no conflict is the point. Right.

Wendy (12:35.766)
Right. Right.

Wendy (12:49.824)
Right. No, I-

Right. No, there is no conflict and it didn't make any sense to me. And it also doesn't make any sense to me that, like she said, she created that LLC in 2005. he certainly, if he's allowed a portion of it, it's not from the very beginning, it's from when they were married.

Kelli (12:58.974)
Right.

Kelli (13:15.337)
But wait, when did they get together? When did they get married?

Wendy (13:19.914)
I mean, it hasn't been that long because one, their kids are not that old.

Kelli (13:24.137)
So if she started Drew Sidora LLC in 2005 and they weren't married yet, then he should be entitled to zero. Right?

Wendy (13:31.564)
Well, but no, if she's if she's earning, like you said, she, if she's acquiring business.

Kelli (13:39.913)
She acquired the business prior to them being together though.

Wendy (13:43.96)
But while they were together, she made earnings that went into that LLC. Just like the Simpson thing. Remember the Simpson money? Like, while they were married, was working on it, right? And we also find out that he changed the code on the doors and that she had to get a hotel room at 1 a.m. She couldn't even get into her own house. I mean, that's crazy.

Kelli (13:45.011)
she made earnings.

Kelli (13:53.907)
Yeah.

Kelli (14:10.527)
That's a Jesse Lolley move if I've ever heard one. That's, that's, it's just, it's disrespectful, it's immature, it's so many things. Like grow the fuck up, Ralph. Go get a fucking job.

Wendy (14:13.208)
That's just crazy.

Wendy (14:26.222)
And she says like she doesn't even really know what he does, but he does have some money. But where is he getting the money and what does he do? Right? We don't know what Ralph does.

Kelli (14:36.691)
Now, somebody please enlighten us.

Wendy (14:38.54)
Because he did not hand in his financials. The only financial stuff he handed in was her stuff. Okay, well that's not right.

Kelli (14:48.671)
This is what blows me away how divorces drag on. Like these judges need to put fucking demands down. Like you need to provide this by this date or I'm dismissing it and she's getting everything. Done deal.

Wendy (14:55.971)
Yeah.

Wendy (15:05.152)
Yeah, absolutely. I totally agree.

Kelli (15:08.883)
She's done her part, if you can't do your part, then you get nothing. You get nothing.

Wendy (15:13.228)
Right. Yep. I totally agree with you on that. You should be a judge. Next we see Angela's at her mom's house. And this was something else that totally blew me away. That she had bought her mom a house that her and her sister had lived, her mom and her sister lived in. And she paid 490,000 for it, but her mom is not even living in that house now.

Kelli (15:16.605)
I should be a judge.

Kelli (15:39.645)
Yeah, she says she bought her own house.

Wendy (15:42.348)
Well, she, I don't know if she bought her own house or she just moved into another house and she's renting.

Kelli (15:47.101)
I thought she said she bought her own house.

Wendy (15:51.872)
I am what.

Kelli (15:52.287)
Did you notice that they were bleeping out Angela's sister's name?

Wendy (15:55.51)
Yeah, they don't want to say it. Yep. I did notice that they don't say her name.

Kelli (16:01.853)
Yeah, so this house is just sitting there vacant. I mean, maybe her daughter and her wife can live there.

Wendy (16:08.182)
Or maybe that's one of her investment properties.

Kelli (16:13.289)
Maybe that is, maybe it's one of the ones she's trying to flip.

Wendy (16:16.21)
Yeah, because she said that she had five investment properties. But Angela starts telling her about how she didn't say anything when her sister got into her daughter Amari's face. And her mom doesn't really seem to have a reaction to that.

Kelli (16:34.717)
Not at all. I mean, maybe she just was like, listen, we're on camera. I'm not talking about this.

Wendy (16:40.714)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (16:43.017)
But you know, it was nice that Angela wanted to take care of her mom, but listen, it's very clear that Charles stepped out on Angela at some point in their marriage, and I'm sure that that was hard for her mom to see, and to watch her daughter go through that. And if they were funding her life, and things changed between she and Charles, she was like, I don't want him funding my life anymore because I don't wanna have to kiss someone's ass who's hurting my daughter.

because he's bankrolling my mortgage.

Wendy (17:15.466)
Well, okay, but that's not what the situation is. The situation is you let your daughter attack your granddaughter. Right, like you know what I'm saying? What's your excuse for that? It could be, but I don't think she bought her own house. I think that they just moved out. I really don't think she bought her own house. I don't think she was in the position to.

Kelli (17:27.089)
Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry, that aside too.

Kelli (17:33.127)
I just feel like that's why she bought her own house. Because she didn't want to be under Charles' thumb anymore.

Wendy (17:45.42)
the way it seems because like the car wasn't even hers to begin with either. Like Angela had bought the car too. So I mean we don't know, right, we don't know the whole situation and the fact that they won't even mention the sister's name. Like I think that says a lot too, right?

Kelli (17:50.931)
Now, right, they must have been planning their whole life.

Kelli (18:02.205)
Right. It sure does.

Wendy (18:06.894)
Then we see Kelly is teaching Chloe how to drive and that is not going well, which it doesn't usually go well. It really doesn't.

Kelli (18:16.453)
I remember being in the passenger seat with Joe and thinking he was getting too close to the car that was parked on the side of the road and that's how I was like, my God, awful. I don't believe Eric ever drove with either of my kids maybe once and he was so annoying. They were like, I'm never driving with him again. And I was like, fucking great. Cause that means I'm stuck driving with you every time.

Wendy (18:26.67)
Did Eric ever drive with him?

Wendy (18:39.554)
It's

Yeah, so Bill never drove with either of my kids either. It was always me. And now we're working on getting Matthew his driver's license. So he's in the permit stage. And in New Jersey now, you have to document your 50 hours of practice with your parents on a paper.

Kelli (19:02.715)
in addition to the six hours with the driving school. he doesn't even have to do that. He doesn't need it.

Wendy (19:05.006)
You don't need the driving school. Just during the learner's six month probationary period that you have the permit because you have to have your permit for six months while you're learning to drive. And you also have to document 50 hours, 40 during the day and 10 hours at night. And that will be all me.

Kelli (19:31.635)
When did that change?

Wendy (19:35.224)
Just this year, probably. yeah, I wanna say probably like the month before we went to get the permit, it changed, yeah. It's just us, it's just who we are. Like I wanna say, it might've even been two weeks. Like it was just like on the cusp of us, it seriously was. I'm just like, goodness, like can we just, yeah, it's a lot.

Kelli (19:35.665)
It must be recent, because Joe didn't have to do that.

Kelli (19:47.817)
Yeah, that's a lot, man.

Kelli (19:59.458)
my, that's a lot. I don't know if I drove with my kid. Well, I probably drove 50 hours with them. mean.

Wendy (20:05.536)
You probably did. You probably did.

Kelli (20:07.795)
They drove everywhere, know, Joe was like, can I drive? Can I drive? Can I drive? Can I drive?

Wendy (20:12.674)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah, I'll be doing that. So I could certainly, but you know what, I'm not a big reactor. I mean, Kelly is a yeller. Like I can imagine you might be a reactor too. Yeah.

Kelli (20:15.409)
Yeah. God bless you. I'll say prayers.

Kelli (20:26.399)
It must be in the name because I'm watching her and I'm like, that's exactly how I was. One day Joe actually pulled over and was like, forget it, just drive. I'm not even driving anymore. Like he couldn't take my reactions.

Wendy (20:31.392)
You know, I'm not a-

Wendy (20:36.59)
Yeah, I'm not a reactor like that. Bill on the other hand would be a reactor like that, which is why he never was in the car with them. But I can keep my shit together.

Kelli (20:49.309)
Yeah, no, Eric too. Definitely a reactor and they were both like, we're never doing that again. I'm like, okay, great.

you

Wendy (20:59.086)
So then we see Drew at home talking to her mom and I didn't realize it's been two years that she's been going through this divorce. That's a long time.

Kelli (21:06.409)
That's what I'm saying. It's too long. It's too long. It's too emotional. It's too much on the kids. And these kids are at very impressionable times in their lives. Her kids are little. It's too much to put them through.

Wendy (21:10.734)
So, mm-hmm.

Wendy (21:22.87)
I agree. I agree. So her mom flew down to help support her and she's worried about if the lawyer does get recused that she'll have to start from scratch, like with the whole process, which again, I don't, I mean, I'm not a lawyer. I don't see how that could happen, but we'll have to wait and see what happens.

Kelli (21:43.721)
Well, not only that, hopefully this woman, God forbid this does happen and she gets recused. Hopefully she's part of a firm where someone else, one of her partners and associates, somebody could step in who knows what's going on and just kind of roll with it. Yeah.

Wendy (21:57.09)
Hopefully. But then her mom tells her that the kids are really affected like this. Her mom feels like her kids are out of control. Like when your kids don't listen to me. And then Drew just starts crying because she had no idea. And she feels like she's failing her kids. And I don't blame her. I would be feeling the same way. And I don't know about your mom, but I can tell you this. My mom, my kids listen to my mom too.

Kelli (22:20.159)
I don't blame her at all.

Wendy (22:25.666)
more than they listen to me. Do your kids listen to your mom more than they listen to you?

Kelli (22:31.731)
I don't know. I want to say yes, but I want to say yes.

Wendy (22:33.278)
Ha ha.

Wendy (22:41.164)
Like grandma is in my house, grandma is like not feared, but revered. Like they'll listen to grandma before they'll listen to mom. I don't know. I mean, it's fine. Cause it's my mom. I mean, if it was Bill's mom, I would be pissed. Not that there's anything wrong with Bill's mom, but because it's not me. And William does say to me all the time that I could never be as good a mom as grandma. And he says it to me just because

Kelli (22:54.173)
Right, right.

Kelli (23:01.629)
Right, it's not your, yeah, right, right, right, right.

Wendy (23:10.946)
you know, he thinks it'll make me mad. Right, he thinks it'll make me mad, but I'm like, she's my mom, I know how great she is. Like, yeah, we all aspire to be as great as my mom, you know? You know what I'm saying? Like, he thinks he's gonna make me mad by saying that. Yeah, which I won't give him, because my mom's awesome.

Kelli (23:11.401)
That's what he does.

Kelli (23:15.973)
Exactly. Like, what are you trying to tell me? Right. Yeah.

Kelli (23:25.245)
Right, he's just trying to get a rise out of you.

Of course not. No, listen, my kids love my mom and you know, they really do. You know, they love spending time with her.

Wendy (23:41.76)
And I mean, they didn't really have a relationship with Eric's mom because it was just an unfortunate situation. And it's not that my kids don't have a relationship with Bill's mom because they do, but it's just a different situation. It's just a different situation.

Kelli (23:45.895)
Right, a different situation.

Kelli (23:54.079)
Right, right, right. I just feel like my kids, my kids are very, and I love this, but they're very headstrong and you know, they're gonna do what they wanna do. So if Bami, I mean they love Bami, but if Bami tells them to do something that you know, they don't wanna do, I don't know if they're gonna do it. When they were little, obviously they did. So yes, in that respect, like what Drew's mom's saying, yeah, I mean if my mom.

Wendy (24:16.577)
Right, right.

Wendy (24:22.38)
Yeah.

Kelli (24:23.611)
said stop or you know, whatever they I believe they would listen. Yeah.

Wendy (24:27.214)
Right, when they were little, yeah. No, I agree with that too. I mean, obviously my kids are adults, right? So they're gonna do what they're gonna do, but it carries more weight when it's coming from grandma than it does when it's coming from me. Right? And listen, think that's a good thing. I think that's a good thing.

Kelli (24:34.344)
Right.

Kelli (24:41.415)
Right. For sure. I...

I say it all the time when Eric and I talk, my kids, all they hear is Charlie Brown's teacher. They're not listening to what we say.

Wendy (24:54.167)
Right.

No, they're not. They certainly are not. I mean, I think I walk in the room and they're mumbling under the breath, you're so annoying. I didn't say anything. Just so annoying. Just so annoying. Exactly. In my house. Exactly. So what happens next?

Kelli (25:04.255)
Exactly. You don't have to. Just you being there.

Right, that you pay for. Yeah.

That did seem to hurt Drew though, that when her mom said her kids are out of control, because who wouldn't, you know? And Drew's probably like, listen, I don't know if my kids are acting like this because of the divorce. I don't know if kids this age just act like this. Like, you know, her kids are obviously privileged. Look at the house they live in, look at the toys, look at... So it's like a, like, you don't know why your kids act a certain way, but for her mom to specifically say, I think this is because of the divorce,

Wendy (25:24.489)
definitely.

Wendy (25:42.774)
Right.

Kelli (25:51.133)
that had to hurt her. Not intentionally that her mother was trying to, but it just hit a nerve.

Wendy (25:52.756)
Yeah. No, no, no, no, I get it. And the mom guilt, you know, she feels like she's failing. Of course you're going to feel like you're failing. I mean, you're not though. Right. You're not. Then we see Portia and Shemeah meet up and they're trying to talk things out, but.

Kelli (26:00.765)
Yes. We always feel guilt.

Mm-hmm.

Kelli (26:15.709)
Yeah, it's like a roller coaster.

Wendy (26:17.389)
It just didn't go well. Portia's upset that Shemeah had these feelings and didn't share them with her. She shared them with other people that she wasn't close to. Shemeah's asking if moving forward, is that something we can do? Let me know. Is there a way to salvage the friendship? But you don't even feel like...

Like, I feel like they're just words coming out at each other. I don't feel like either one is really listening to what the other one is saying. I feel like it's just, like you just said, mwah, mwah, mwah. Like that's what's, it's.

Kelli (26:49.683)
Yeah. I felt like Shemeah was really talking from the heart though. Yeah.

Wendy (26:55.01)
I did too. I did too. But I think maybe it could be just Portia is just so overwhelmed with what's going on between her and Simon and the divorce and him being an ice and her not being able to film in her own house and you know, the whole dentist thing. I don't know. I don't know.

Kelli (27:13.843)
You know, they gave a timeline of Portia and Simon, and I just want to point this out.

Wendy (27:18.671)
please do.

Kelli (27:20.159)
They started dating in April of 2021. They were engaged in May of 2021. They were married in November of 2022. So it was a long engagement. mean, May 12th, you know, they were engaged for like 18 months. No, because you figure.

Wendy (27:38.318)
was eight months. Eight. 18.

Kelli (27:43.615)
May of 2021 and then they got married in November of 2022.

Wendy (27:49.598)
okay. Yeah. So, all right.

Kelli (27:50.367)
Yeah, so that was a decent engagement. So they got married in November and they were married. I mean, they got divorced in February of 2024. They were only married for 15 months. But I mean, I guess they were together almost three years. I didn't think it was that long. Here I am writing down the timeline and I'm not even realizing how long it was. I mean, I guess it's a decent amount of time, but it's like.

Wendy (28:03.394)
It was.

Kelli (28:17.989)
Yeah, I mean, I guess she's got a lot going on. don't know. Portia just seems like such an actress to me. She just seems very inauthentic.

Wendy (28:23.862)
How old is Pilar? Like, how old is Pilar? Cause she... Probably, she's probably got to be like five or six, right? And half her life...

Kelli (28:30.761)
Like five or six maybe?

Kelli (28:35.429)
Yeah, so I guess she, you know, she probably doesn't remember. Yeah.

Wendy (28:40.278)
or half her life, right? She's been with, yeah.

Kelli (28:43.721)
She probably, mean, do you remember when you were two or three years old? She probably doesn't remember before Simon was around. So this was always her normal, like Dennis is her dad, but Simon was what, Papa? She called him Papa? Yeah.

Wendy (28:46.446)
No. No, no, I don't. Right.

Wendy (28:55.704)
Papa, Papa, yeah.

Kelli (28:59.465)
Yeah, that's tough.

Wendy (29:00.746)
It is tough.

Wendy (29:07.502)
Shemeah says that she wants to know why they can't be there like they were before the cameras were up. And I think that there may be something to that.

Kelli (29:15.646)
Yeah.

I agree. I totally agree. mean, Portia hasn't been on the show, but I believe by her own choice, right? She decided to take a step back.

Wendy (29:29.888)
Well, yeah, because she found her her Simon and she thought that she'd never had to work again. She quit her job at the radio station. She stopped doing everything. She stopped doing everything. She's like, I got this man that's got all this money. I don't need to work.

Kelli (29:38.375)
All right. Yeah.

Kelli (29:44.477)
Yeah, so, you know, she's coming back on the show for a reason. They want her back, so she's gotta act a certain way.

Wendy (29:55.171)
Right.

Kelli (29:55.391)
But it's a shame because they have a true friendship from middle school.

Wendy (29:59.212)
Right, exactly.

Wendy (30:05.038)
It's interesting because when Sheme and Portia are talking and know, Portia gets up and you know, she walks out. I thought she was leaving. I didn't realize she was just going to the restroom. But then, you know, she comes back and she's like, I guess we'll just get our food to go. Like, and she's like, all right, I guess we'll do that. I thought, you know, we could have resolved things today. And wasn't happening. you know, they weren't...

Kelli (30:15.476)
Yeah.

Wendy (30:33.942)
receiving what the other one was saying is basically what was happening, right?

Kelli (30:37.439)
Absolutely. Yep. That's exactly what was happening. It didn't matter what one was saying. The other one wasn't going to see their side.

Wendy (30:42.206)
Right. They weren't receiving it. And it was on both sides it was really happening. I don't say it was one more than the other. mean, yes, I do believe that Shemeah was really pouring out her heart to Portia, but I don't...

Kelli (30:58.569)
think Porsche was def-defensive.

Wendy (31:01.974)
Yeah, no, she was. She was.

Kelli (31:03.433)
but I also think that's because she knows she's wrong.

Wendy (31:07.255)
Yeah.

Kelli (31:09.951)
But are they okay now? I don't think they are, right? But Portia did do a Shemeah birthday post and Shemeah responded.

Wendy (31:12.539)
No, no, not according to Shemeah on Watch What Happens Live.

Wendy (31:19.594)
Yeah. Like I said, I'm hoping before the reunion that they sit down and have their talk because I don't want them to hash this out on the reunion. I want them to be good before the reunion. I want them to be good before the cameras come back up. I want them to get back to the place they were before the cameras were up while the cameras are down.

Kelli (31:37.854)
Yeah.

mean, moms are involved now though. But when production said, why did your mom have a falling out? She's like, I'm not gonna talk about that. Right, right. But you know Andy's gonna ask, it's gonna come up.

Wendy (31:42.572)
But moms have always been involved. Moms have always been involved.

Wendy (31:50.446)
And, they didn't talk about it. So they don't need to talk about it. And, you know, they've always.

Well, Andy can ask all he wants. They don't have to say. Listen, they don't have to answer it. Their moms are not on the show. They do not have to answer it. But they're a supporting cat. They don't have to answer it. It's their mother. mean, come on, Andy. Listen, if he asks it, he asks it. But they don't have to answer it.

Kelli (31:58.911)
It better come up, let's put it that way.

Kelli (32:07.069)
Diana.

Kelli (32:11.697)
Yeah. No, no, for sure. And I hope they don't.

Kelli (32:20.935)
No, no, that's too much. That's like Jersey shit coming up. You know what I mean? The family shit, like don't do it. Just don't do it.

Wendy (32:24.054)
And yeah, they shouldn't answer it.

Right, don't do it. Speaking of family shit and Jersey, I heard that Rhode Island, I don't know if it's a swinger, one of the couples are swingers or if there's an actual throuple.

Kelli (32:47.511)
I'm very much looking forward to this show, so I'm here for it. No, other than the post, but they put the pictures up and I already picked out who my favorite is, but I don't know her name.

Wendy (32:51.372)
Have you heard anything about it? All right.

Yes. So they put the pictures up. I said I was going to do investigating, but I didn't. lied. But I did check out one of the, I checked out one of the Facebook pages and they had the houses. They asked a question like, do you want to see their houses or something? And the people picked their houses and the houses were okay. I mean, some of them were more elaborate than others. Some of them were.

Kelli (33:04.105)
We'll get to it.

Wendy (33:22.838)
I mean, by Jersey standards, very affordable, let's put it that way. Yeah, very affordable. But then I heard, I think it might've even been on Heather McDonald, that there may be a threesome couple that we're gonna get to meet. I was like, well that would be a whole different spin on things.

Kelli (33:27.314)
Interesting.

Kelli (33:46.971)
It sure would. That would spice up the Housewives franchise something.

Wendy (33:49.304)
So.

Wendy (33:52.818)
Mm-hmm. So we'll have to wait and see. I don't know. I am too. I am too. I mean, I don't really have anything else about Atlanta because, you know, they get the check. They're both, know, Shemeah's crying. They hug it out. They do hug it out. Shemeah's crying. And they kind of both go their separate ways at that point, you know? And I don't think we still, I still think next week we don't get Phaedra yet either. I think it's maybe the week after. I mean, I...

Kelli (33:55.411)
Yeah, I'm looking forward to it though.

Kelli (34:04.947)
They hug it out. They hug it out.

Kelli (34:18.279)
No, like when is she coming? I was very surprised about this. Did you watch What Happens Live?

Wendy (34:25.581)
Who is on?

Kelli (34:27.098)
Ashley and Kelly.

Wendy (34:29.334)
I watched part of it, I didn't finish it. wait, it's after Love Hotel, right? I started it. hold on. Let me go to the.

Kelli (34:37.647)
Andy asks Kelly, who do you think is the more iconic Atlanta housewife, Phaedra or Candy? And she said Phaedra. I mean, that's awful. Bad choice, Kelly. I do not co-sign that at all.

Wendy (34:42.838)
And she she said, yes, she said Phaedra. Yes. Yes, I did see that. I also saw him ask Angela and Charles, no, Britt, biggest lie this season. And she says her entire life.

Kelli (35:05.151)
Mm-hmm. So they not good.

Wendy (35:07.694)
No, Portia felt salty that Shemeah got a peach this season. That's what she thought. And like you said, the more iconic, she said Phaedra, not Candy.

Kelli (35:20.999)
Yeah, I did not like that at all.

Wendy (35:25.068)
Yeah.

I don't know. I don't know. We'll have to, I don't know. I don't know why it's taking us so long to get to her. We're on episode 11.

Kelli (35:35.879)
Yeah, I don't know. guess that they, I guess they were scrambling at this point to do something.

Wendy (35:42.294)
I mean, Beverly Hills, had...

15, we had 15 episodes with Beverly Hills. Yeah, and then we had the three reunions, but we had 15 episodes with Beverly Hill and we're already on 11. So.

Kelli (35:51.219)
That's it?

Kelli (35:57.384)
Wow.

Kelli (36:02.047)
We must be getting more than 15, but still, yeah, feel like that's how many we were getting from Jersey. We weren't getting a lot of Jersey anymore. That's not a lot of episodes at all.

Wendy (36:02.486)
I don't know.

Wendy (36:10.58)
No.

No, no it's not. And I've also, I also heard that the rumor about New York is that it's still coming back. They're probably going to wait and announce it once they figure out the cast and that it's going to be closer, it's going to be more like a holiday in New York, like a Christmas in New York instead of a summer.

Kelli (36:35.923)
Well, I read today where Uba and Brynn were not asked back, but who knows if that's true.

Wendy (36:42.382)
I heard that that's the word on the street too, but I didn't read it anywhere. heard it on one of the podcasts.

Kelli (36:48.337)
Actually, I shouldn't say they weren't asked back, that they're not coming back. I'm kind of hoping that Uba chose, if this is true, I'm hoping that Uba chose on her own. I'm hoping she's pregnant and she's living happily ever after with Oliver.

Wendy (36:51.832)
That's what.

Wendy (37:02.828)
Yeah, I'm hoping that too. I will say though, I've seen Aaron out and about with Psy and Jenna Lyons and Raquel and Jessel. Was Jessel? I don't remember.

Kelli (37:12.723)
Jessel. not Jessel? Yeah, I thought Jessel too. No.

Jessel had a birthday party for her sons and there were no pictures of the other housewives by the way. They all commented happy birthday, but they were not in the pictures. some comments were so funny. They were like, how dare you get glam and have a photographer at your kid's birthday party?

Wendy (37:38.498)
That's so funny. That's so funny.

Kelli (37:40.593)
Yes, so good. But I did not see them, any other housewife at the birthday party. But they did comment, like I think Sy and Erin both commented happy birthday to the boys.

Wendy (37:53.048)
I mean, think about it. Do you really want to go to a kid's birthday party? No, you do not.

Kelli (37:57.627)
I mean, if you're bringing your own kids, but her boys are little, like I think it was their third or fourth birthday, like size kids are older. mean, Erin's got a newborn. She's probably not going anywhere, right? Did she have the baby yet? I don't think she had the baby. she didn't, Erin had the baby? okay. So she's got a newborn.

Wendy (38:01.608)
Right. Yeah.

Wendy (38:10.116)
yeah, yeah, she hit the baby.

Erin had the baby, I know she had the baby, and she already had the brisket ready, she had a little boy. And yes, her and her husband have a podcast. Erin and Abe are doing a podcast together too. Right, I mean, it's funny because I'm looking on Erin's Instagram, but she doesn't have it posted, but she is a female founders 500 honoree for 2025 for Incorporated Magazine.

Kelli (38:19.06)
that's right, Lindsay was there.

Kelli (38:26.953)
they do.

Who doesn't?

Kelli (38:43.037)
Wow, that's good. Yeah, yeah.

Wendy (38:44.448)
That's pretty impressive, right?

Wendy (38:49.302)
That's pretty impressive. yeah, her baby is adorable. Jack Hunter Leachie is his name. He's cute.

Yeah, I don't know. I think that she's definitely coming back. I think that Jenna's coming back. I think Raquel is coming back. I hope Jessel's coming back. Sy, like you said, I heard the same thing about Uba and Bran. I would like to see them bring in, I really wouldn't mind, Lindsay. I really wouldn't. I would like to see them bring in maybe somebody else that we don't know.

Kelli (39:21.311)
Yeah, that's fine.

Kelli (39:25.853)
Right, yeah, no other summer house people, but Lindsay's acceptable.

Wendy (39:30.112)
Yeah, maybe they could bring in...

A celebrity, what celebrity would we want?

There's so many New York celebrities. What drum would we want?

Kelli (39:43.839)
Yeah, I mean, why aren't they getting any? mean, unless they're just saying no. I mean, they're obviously asking people, but.

Wendy (39:52.686)
Like, I think she's too old. I was gonna say, about SJP? Like, I would love to see that. She would never do it.

Kelli (39:57.089)
she's, I think Andy has said that she would never do it and she is too old. Not that she's too old, but she's too old for the show because that was the whole point of the reboot of Rony to bring in new, you know, younger.

Wendy (40:08.108)
to bring in younger, but Jenna's not that, Jenna's old.

Kelli (40:11.451)
No, I know she's not that young, but she fits.

Wendy (40:13.774)
She does fit. She's hip. Yeah, I don't know. I would like to see somebody else, maybe a celebrity. I don't know who though. And it's got to be someone who's like really down to earth, not so big headed because it just won't work in New York.

Kelli (40:17.225)
she fits, so.

Kelli (40:32.841)
Bye. Bye.

Wendy (40:35.658)
I know. guess until next time. We'll have to wait and see. Thank you for watching and listening. Please subscribe, subscribe, subscribe. We are on YouTube and wherever you get your podcast. Thanks. Bye.

Kelli (40:38.431)
We'll see. Yep.

Kelli (40:49.375)
Bye.