MOPB-Truth, Trauma & Tension in Palm Beach

Wendy (00:01.134)
Welcome to We Wine Whenever, I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:04.51)
I'm Kelly.

Wendy (00:06.466)
We are talking about members only, Palm Beach. So we recapped the first two episodes and then we listened to a podcast with Heather McDonald and Hilary Musser. And then after that podcast, Rosalyn Yellen was on the Vile Files and we listened to that podcast. So before we recap episodes two and three, we wanna catch you up on what we found out.

Kelly, you want to start with what we learned from Heather McDonald?

Kelli (00:40.821)
So Hillary, I don't have notes on it, but so Hillary was basically saying that she didn't marry her husband Pete Musser for money. He sought her out. She was married. They met somehow through her work, I believe, but I don't think he was her boss or anything like that. And she had a liver tumor and almost died. And...

Wendy (00:43.171)
Yeah.

Kelli (01:08.607)
her then husband was not very supportive. So I think she actually said her parents asked her to leave him, which she did. And then I guess started spending time with this Pete Musser who apparently lost all of his money in the dot com crash and was like 40 million in debt. So when she married him, he did not have the money he once had. So she basically says, it's not like I married him for his money, I'm not a gold digger.

So, okay, that's factual. Then they got married, they had their son and built their fortune back up because they then lived in Bryn Mawr, Pennsylvania and were part of Philadelphia society, also spent time in Nantucket. So they clearly were living a lavish lifestyle, raising their son. We don't know, we didn't check to see if he has children from other marriages, but it doesn't really matter.

And basically they stayed married for 16 or 18 years. Yeah, and you know, she said he was a ladies man. She never thought he'd step out on her because of the age difference. She was significantly younger than him, but he did, I guess. And she divorced him. And then that's when she moved to Palm Beach, bought a house across the street from Mar-a-Lago and they were handing out memberships. If you bought a house and that's how she became a member.

Wendy (02:13.58)
Yeah, they were married for quite a long time, yeah.

Kelli (02:38.195)
Then she started her real estate venture and clearly became very successful with it.

Wendy (02:44.012)
Yes. So we wanted to clarify that, you she said in the very beginning that she was self-made. And my first reaction was, how can you call yourself self-made when you were married to a billionaire? But we find out from her that he wasn't a billionaire when she married him. So that we want to correct. But also in that interview, she started talking about, you know, Rosalind Yellen and saying that,

You know, she portrays herself as this mother of five children, but two of those children are not by Jonathan. She was married before. And what that has to do with anything is really beyond me, because it has nothing to do with anything. It has nothing to do with anything.

Kelli (03:33.511)
And here's the thing, she and Heather McDonald run in the same circles. I don't think they're necessarily friends, but they run in the same circles. Heather was not asking her any hard questions. Heather was not holding her accountable for saying disparaging things against Roslyn. And I thought that was terrible.

Wendy (03:39.948)
Yes.

Wendy (03:55.756)
Yeah. Yeah, I agree.

Kelli (03:57.065)
And so this is what I was gonna say. So what she did to Roslyn on the show, you remember you said to Lori and I on New Year's Eve, show me who your friends are and I'll show you who you are? Hillary is very good friends with Jill Zarin. And if people remember correctly, Jill Zarin saw Bethany taking some spotlight on Real Housewives of New York. And what did she do? She turned on her and she tried to get everybody else to ice her out and told everybody, don't film with her.

Wendy (04:08.098)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (04:12.194)
Yes.

Wendy (04:25.805)
Right.

Kelli (04:25.907)
And how did that end for Jill? She got fired and Bethany got a spinoff. So Hillary should be more cautious in how she treats her co-cast members. Because I don't think Hillary come, she came off terrible in the show and I think she came off even worse on Heather McDonald.

Wendy (04:31.843)
Yes.

Wendy (04:41.046)
Yeah, she definitely should.

Wendy (04:49.536)
I agree, I totally agree. I totally agree. She was, yeah, she was horrible.

Kelli (04:53.385)
Yeah, like no class, no class at all.

Wendy (04:58.818)
Yeah, she was horrible. The way she was, again, maligning someone. And to bring up children, first of all, is crazy. Crazy. Crazy.

Kelli (05:07.849)
Yep. Yep.

Wendy (05:12.64)
So, then Rosalyn, I give her a lot of credit. I really give her a lot of credit.

Kelli (05:20.745)
Real quick, something else Hillary said on Heather MacDonald. She said that Roslyn was not committed to do the show until the very end, right before they started filming. She said that Roslyn was like, no, I'm not gonna do it, I'm not gonna do it. So that's why the opening scene, the party at Hillary's house, Roslyn had just decided maybe that day, the day before, that she would film in the meantime.

Wendy (05:24.536)
Okay.

Wendy (05:31.554)
Yes.

Kelli (05:49.032)
supposedly Roslyn had said negative things about very good friends of Hillary's that were gonna be at the party. I don't know if I necessarily believe that, but it is what it is. But she did say that Roslyn was hesitant to film the show and wasn't signed on until the very, very end.

Wendy (06:10.702)
She did say, yeah, she did say that. She did say that. So Rosalyn obviously hears this interview and feels away about it, which I don't blame her. And she goes on the vile files and tells her side of the story with Nick. And listen, this was a very emotional interview. You know, she starts out with, you know,

These are her stories to tell. They are her stories to tell. Hillary had no business mentioning this at all. She didn't. It wasn't her information to give. So she has been with Jonathan, her husband, for 31 years. All five children were raised by him. She, which I found was very interesting herself, was born and raised in Margate, New Jersey. So I was like, ah, yep.

Kelli (07:04.373)
Beach town right off of Atlantic City. Yep.

Wendy (07:08.546)
Her mom was an immigrant and she was five when she came to this country. She married her dad. He was the son of immigrants from Italy and her mom is from Germany. Her father was, and these are her words, very, very abusive. She suffered abuse from the time she was a baby, six months old. He pulled her arm out of the socket. She had multiple broken bones, was whipped with a belt.

Kelli (07:30.153)
six months old.

Wendy (07:39.254)
Now this woman, Rosalyn, this is horrible that she needs to go on a podcast and tell this story. This is horrible. This is horrible.

Kelli (07:50.346)
Yeah, because she doesn't, I'm sure her husband was aware, but it's not like other people were. So now she is in Palm Beach society. It doesn't even matter. Whatever group of friends you're in, this is how they're gonna find out. You have to now go on a podcast to defend yourself because of what the real estate agent next door said about you.

Wendy (07:58.103)
Right.

Wendy (08:04.184)
Right.

Wendy (08:14.06)
Yes, yes. So she goes on to say that there was a lot of physical and mental abuse that she wasn't ready to talk about. And I can imagine she wouldn't be. And I don't know how you'd ever be ready to talk about it on this platform. mean, right. So there was a time where her father took a butcher knife and he had it in the kitchen and her mom was in the kitchen screaming and crying like he was gonna hurt her. So she called the police.

Kelli (08:28.945)
No, in public, mean, why? Why would you have to?

Wendy (08:44.93)
They came, they took him away. Her mother was afraid for her life. So she sent her to Israel. They didn't have any family in Israel. They didn't have any friends in Israel. She was 15 years old. She was in a boarding school in Israel, all alone, did not speak the language. Did not speak the language.

This was in the 80s. There were no cell phones. There was no computers. There was nothing.

Kelli (09:16.073)
Nope. Pen and paper, write a letter, and wait a week to get it. If you're lucky. Overseas.

Wendy (09:21.998)
Yep. So she met a guy in boarding school. We don't know the whole story there. Again, it's really none of our business. Her mother flew over and she was very young. She was 17. She was still in high school. Her mother signed a consent that she was to be married in a religious ceremony to this boy she met at boarding school.

She felt abandoned by her mother. She couldn't take care of.

Kelli (09:51.956)
I'm sure her mother felt like, you can't come back here. And once you graduate from school, there's nowhere for you to go there. Right?

Wendy (09:57.304)
Right.

Wendy (10:01.89)
Right. Yeah, listen, I think her mother did, and I'm sure she feels this too now, but at the time she was 17 years old, right? And she was sent away when she was 15. So she's already been in a foreign country for two years, not speaking the language all alone. So.

She felt this way. So she wound up having two children with this man. And at the age of 20, she just said, you know what? I can't do this. I can't live this life. This isn't what I want. She had seen, I guess, on TV or movies, people would be making out and this romance story. She wanted the fairy tale. She wanted the romance.

Kelli (10:46.943)
She wanted romance, wanted affection, intimacy.

Wendy (10:50.326)
Right, right, absolutely. And who doesn't want that, right? That's the dream that we all want. So she said, that's it. I am, I'm leaving this man. I'm taking my children and I'm leaving at 20 years old. She gets on a plane, flies home.

Kelli (10:54.217)
Right. Right.

Kelli (11:07.557)
And that is not easy to do. I told Wendy, I know somebody, I have a friend whose daughter, different situation, but was American and married someone from Israel, had a child over there with him and decided that she wanted to come home with her child. And it took a very, very long time for her to accomplish that. She did, but it took a very long time. So I can't imagine how much more difficult it was

then when Roslyn had to do this.

Wendy (11:40.748)
Right, I can't either. I can't either. She said she had one seat on the plane and two children. So the three of them, yeah. It's like...

She did, her mother did finally meet a wonderful man and she got married and lives in Philadelphia and she passed away in 2004 from ovarian cancer. So she did reunite with her mother, but when she got back to the United States, you know, she was a single mom with two small children, 20 years old and a high school diploma at this point. She was, you know, living in a, like a,

Kelli (12:18.239)
Yeah.

Wendy (12:22.036)
a studio or a one-bedroom apartment. And she was just working hard to, you know, to do the right. Yeah. Yeah. So.

Kelli (12:28.639)
Doing what she had to do, yep.

Wendy (12:36.502)
She was fixed up on a blind date with her husband, Jonathan. This is what I find amazing. Like this whole story is like, this needs to be a lifetime. This needs to be a lifetime story to be quite honest with you. She needs to write a book. She needs to write a book because this has a happy ending. This has a happy ending. She was fixed up on a blind date with her husband, Jonathan. It was their first date. She said they had this instant connection.

Kelli (12:44.436)
Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, you're right, you're right.

Kelli (12:55.625)
Right.

Wendy (13:06.174)
He was the guy that she'd always dreamed of. Like she, she's just immediately fell in love and she's been with him ever since. You know, they wound up getting married. They have three other children. The father of her two older daughters gave up his parental rights. Jonathan adopted them. And when she came over, her daughters were 11 months old and two years old. That's young.

Kelli (13:35.603)
Little. Little.

Wendy (13:37.036)
Yes, yes. Nobody but close friends and family know this story. Nobody. Like, their daughters, her daughters didn't want people to know that she was adopted, didn't want them to know that they had different fathers. So nobody ever knew. It was, it was, it was their story. No one needed to know. Jonathan was the only father.

Kelli (13:58.794)
Right. have to... Yeah, I mean, listen, in today's world, all, mean, we're just surrounded by families made up of different situations, right? So we all know people who have children with other people, siblings who have different last names. Like, it's nothing today. It's nothing. But then it was. Then it was something. So...

Wendy (14:17.463)
Right.

Kelli (14:25.609)
these young girls wanted to have the same last name as their siblings. So you have to imagine that if you hear something like this about someone, it had to be a story that somebody might not wanna share. It's not like today where it's like, know, I was with him, I'm not with him, I'm with him now. You know what I mean? It wasn't like that back then. So you have to know that there was some kind of story and maybe it wasn't something that...

Wendy (14:30.818)
And it no, right.

Kelli (14:54.867)
she wanted to talk about. So for Hillary to out that and put a negative light on it, it's really crappy that she did that.

Wendy (14:57.069)
Right.

Wendy (15:09.228)
I agree. I totally agree. She said her husband wanted to talk about this in the past. He did want to talk about it, but she was never ready. She's like, now I have to go on this podcast and tell my story. She's like, I live the life I live because I want to help people. She helps women and children who have been trafficked. Every charity that she's involved in is deeply personal to her.

That's why she does this, which makes perfect sense. It makes perfect sense. know, so for Hillary to talk about her story and turn it into something negative when Rosalind did everything she could to turn that horrible trauma into this great fairy tale, which she did it, you know?

Kelli (15:36.947)
Yeah, for sure. Yeah.

Kelli (15:56.767)
Right. Right.

Wendy (16:01.226)
Nick said to Roslyn, like, you confronted Hillary about what she said to you? And she's like, well, no, I just heard this two days ago.

She said, you know, when I saw her at the premiere party, because they had the premiere party, Hillary went up to me and she said, like, I want to just put this, you know, I want to bury the hatchet. I just want to put this behind us. Like, I just, you know, want to I don't want this to be a Hillary Rosalind feud. Now, this was before they'd even seen the show. Rosalind had no idea that they were going to that there was a Hillary Rosalind feud. She didn't know that this thing even existed. She didn't know that Hillary was sitting.

she called it the chair in like the confessional saying all this stuff about Rosalind because I'll be honest with you Rosalind wasn't saying anything about Hillary she was really talking about

Kelli (16:48.213)
She really wasn't. I mean, she said things like that because she wasn't invited saying that, know, Hillary's alleging that she said negative things about, but you know, she was, but that was what was going on on the show. So.

Wendy (16:59.16)
Right.

Wendy (17:02.424)
Right.

Right. Right. What she mostly talked about was her love affair with Gail Brophy. And she also, you know, mentioned that. She's like, you know, she's like, I had no idea that it came off like that. Like, you know, we know this. They film many, many hours. They filmed for three months and we got, you know, six hours worth of stuff, which, you know. So of course they played it up. And she's like, now I'm aware of it. Obviously, you know, it won't be so extreme, but she really does look up to Gail. She really does look up to Gail.

Kelli (17:04.97)
Fair game.

Kelli (17:23.635)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (17:35.945)
Yeah, and you can't take it away from Gail. I mean, she irritated me a lot on the show, but she was an accomplished woman and she obviously did live a very interesting life, and I guess still is, you know?

Wendy (17:50.486)
Right. Right. Right.

Kelli (17:53.962)
What is that where Hillary said about her apartment and she would was it on the podcast and she said she kept Hillary said she kept asking gail where she lived and gail would never tell her Gail would never tell her where she lived

Wendy (18:07.106)
no no i think she made it up she made it a comment on the and to this this the show her living i think it was on the final episode about her living in an apartment

And that was another thing that Rosalyn said. She's like, and then after, at the finale, which we didn't get to yet, but when Hillary thought she was off camera and that she wasn't mic'd, she said, what does she make some threat? Like, this is not gonna happen, they're not gonna come after me? She made some kind of.

Kelli (18:45.139)
Yeah, I forget. Rosalyn said it and I forget.

Wendy (18:48.448)
I forget what it was too, but it was something like, yeah, it's exactly what it was, yeah.

Kelli (18:50.141)
It was like a hot mic moment, right?

Wendy (18:56.118)
Yeah, listen, I don't know.

Kelli (18:58.303)
She said it to somebody else as she walked away. I can picture it, I just can't remember what she said.

Wendy (19:01.55)
She said it, yeah.

Kelli (19:07.881)
Yeah.

Wendy (19:10.424)
So.

Wendy (19:15.05)
Hillary said, know, Rosalyn said Hillary and I, and she's always maintained this, we're in different worlds. I'm in the charity world, she's in the real estate world, you know. She didn't know that there was a competition.

Wendy (19:34.58)
And Roslyn also made it very clear that she's not a guest of anyone's. She owns memberships to the places that are members only. She doesn't go as a guest. And she, right.

Kelli (19:42.963)
and she paid for them. She wasn't anded it because of the house she bought.

because they were trying to get members. they were trying to, basically, you know, they needed the neighbors. Yeah, because whatever they were doing, they probably had to get variances. They had to get the neighbors to comply. So what better way than to hand them a membership?

Wendy (19:57.304)
Smooth it over. Yes.

Wendy (20:04.896)
Absolutely.

Absolutely. She said that Rosalyn never worked in her life and she lacked substance. She said, raised five children under the age of seven and I worked. And yes you did Rosalyn, yes you did.

Kelli (20:20.245)
And what she said, the way she grew up was so volatile that she wanted to be a stay at home mom. She wanted to be home and raise her children and create a peaceful life for them. There's nothing wrong with that. And it is work. Listen, I couldn't hack it. I stayed home for a year and I was like, I need to get a job. I can't do this. Absolutely.

Wendy (20:27.331)
Right.

Wendy (20:41.43)
it's work.

Wendy (20:45.742)
No, it's work. It's the hardest job in the world. It's the hardest job in the world.

Kelli (20:50.259)
Absolutely.

Wendy (20:52.692)
Nick says, you think Hillary has any idea about the real story? And Rosalyn said, there's no way she could know. There's no way. then she, exactly. Nick said, well, if Hillary were to call you tomorrow after she heard this interview and apologize to you that she overstepped and you know, would you accept her apology? And Rosalyn said, yes, I would. I believe that she would. I mean, I don't think Hillary

Kelli (21:01.235)
Yeah, so she should have kept her mouth shut.

Kelli (21:19.561)
I believe she would too, I don't think it's gonna happen.

Wendy (21:22.102)
I don't think it's going to happen either. Roslyn said, I don't think that's what she's going to do. I think she's going to say something negative about me. I, listen.

Kelli (21:31.967)
She's gonna double down, Hillary. She's gonna double down.

Wendy (21:36.184)
She's gonna double down. Even what she said about Gail, like, you know.

Wendy (21:46.026)
And she does say that Gail wasn't a cast member. mean, because Hillary kept saying that. She wasn't a cast member. She wasn't a cast member. But she was friends with Rosalind, and she was relevant enough to be there and to be to these places, right?

Kelli (21:58.496)
Right, right. And Rosalind does say that she is still in, you know, she's in contact with Romina and Maria and she really enjoys spending time with them. So that's good to hear.

Wendy (22:11.534)
She doesn't. my gosh, I just saw a TikTok yesterday. Did you happen to see it? When the big lips, the three of them? my god, it is the funniest thing. It's so funny. Yeah. And you know, she also clarified her trying to help Romina. You know, she's not doing that anymore. They're just gonna be friends. And when she...

Kelli (22:16.723)
Yes. Yeah.

Yeah.

They're cute. It's cute.

Wendy (22:40.79)
was talking about Romina and the way she was acting at the club, it's when she was a guest of hers. It's when she was there as Rosalyn's guest. And it goes back to, me your friends and I'll tell you who you are. Because if you're here in the club with me as my guest, then you need to act a certain way, right? If you want to do your own thing, you do your own thing. So I have a whole new found

Kelli (22:47.477)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (23:09.772)
look on this. So now I'm going to see what's going to happen when we start recapping episode three and four.

Kelli (23:16.031)
I know, because we already had our notes with the way we felt before. But I mean, listen, I think that we were kind of on this page anyway with Hillary.

Wendy (23:18.871)
Yep, I know.

Wendy (23:27.712)
Yes, yes, we definitely were with Hillary. So let's see.

Episode number three is called, How Do You Solve a Problem Like Maria?

Wendy (23:43.054)
Maria and Romina go to Hillary's house and I don't know if you remember this, but as they're walking in, because they pull up in the Jeep, Romina's boob falls out of her dress. They're having the pool party there.

Kelli (23:57.5)
yeah.

Kelli (24:01.674)
Yes.

Wendy (24:02.15)
And Rosalyn shows up and Hillary tells her how nice she looks. I was like, why does Hillary have to tell Rosalyn how nice she looks? But okay, she did. And she did look nice. I also thought this is where Maria showed up with her blow up unicorn. And she's trying to blow it up in the backyard of Hillary's house. I was like, this is...

Kelli (24:13.941)
Right. Right.

Kelli (24:26.431)
Which, mean, Hillary had the connection right there for the air. By the way, I looked up, Maria was in IT and made a good amount of money and retired and she's married to a very, very successful chiropractor. They both DJ, but he is a chiropractor but is also invested in some company and I looked it up, I forget the name of it. But they're very wealthy.

Wendy (24:30.465)
Right, right.

Wendy (24:35.803)
she was.

Kelli (24:55.196)
And Maria did make her money in IT.

Wendy (24:57.934)
Good for her. Good for her. Listen, Marie is a fun girl. She knows how to have fun. She knows how to have fun. And honestly, like I had said before, Hillary doesn't smile. Like, I don't think Hillary really knows how to have fun.

Kelli (24:59.145)
Yes, absolutely.

Yep. Yep.

Kelli (25:13.307)
No, not that she's letting people say at least. So to me, like that's phony.

Wendy (25:14.572)
Right.

Right, right.

Kelli (25:22.397)
Right? Like, cause you're one way with a certain group and you're a different way with another group. That's phony baloney.

Wendy (25:22.572)
Yeah.

Wendy (25:29.516)
Yeah, I don't know. It's funny, because I just don't think she has it in her. I just think she's a little bit too uptight to even, I don't know, I could be wrong. I mean, they were all together. when I say they all, Rachel Ucattel got married on New Year's Eve in Palm Beach, and Hillary was there, Jill Zarin was there, Heather McDonald was there. It was like the place to be. And they're all very similar people.

Kelli (25:37.279)
Well, that could pay. Yeah.

Wendy (25:58.722)
you know, from what we know of them, you know, they're all very similar people and it is what it is. I did think this was a fun party to watch because I think, because Maria was there and she was the first one to even jump in the pool. She was the first one to jump in the pool.

Kelli (25:59.382)
Mm-hmm. Right.

Kelli (26:10.397)
No, I agree. Yes.

Wendy (26:15.438)
Roslyn invites the ladies to the yacht party and that is for a fundraiser for the gray team. And that's for veterans. And she starts talking about how it's, you know, like their mental health struggle. And all of a sudden Maria gets up from the table and she walks away. And everyone is like, what's going on? And Hillary, because it's her house,

I mean, the way she reacted to this, she was emotional because Maria, know, she's, I mean, she's very emotional. She explains that she's had mental health in her family issues her entire life. Like she doesn't have a good relationship. Right, right. And, you know, she even said when she was telling them, you her mom was such a horrible person to her and her dad was really the one that was there for her.

Kelli (26:58.951)
Especially her mother.

Wendy (27:15.438)
and now her dad is gone and her mom is still alive and how can such a horrible person still be here when the one person that was good is gone, right? So like hearing this, know that you could tell that this is some woman who has been traumatized. Like she says this and all the other ladies are around her supporting her like no big deal. And Hillary kind of scolds her.

Kelli (27:25.301)
Yeah, that's... yeah.

Kelli (27:35.379)
Yeah.

Wendy (27:45.772)
I mean, she does scold her.

Kelli (27:47.669)
She did scold her.

Wendy (27:50.54)
Because what she's cursing, when she's telling them the story, she's cursing. She's saying the F word this, F word that. Now again, it's coming out because of the emotion that's happening. And she's in...

Kelli (27:51.263)
Because-

Kelli (28:06.613)
And some people just talk like that.

Wendy (28:11.308)
Right, right. And they're in a house. They're not in a club. They're in someone's home. They're not in a club. Right, right, right. But all the ladies are surrounding her and really showering her with love. But that's when Hillary said that the language was inappropriate. You cannot speak that way. Not like, are you OK? Is there something? I mean, even if she

Kelli (28:17.107)
Right, they're not at the club, right, right, right. Not the clerk, the club.

Wendy (28:40.696)
did want to have that conversation. this isn't the time to have it. This is not the time to have it. It's just not. It's not. And then she even turns it around more that like, how dare you even get up from the table because you wanted the attention on you. No, she didn't want the attention. Right? No, she didn't want the attention. She was trying to remove herself because she saw how emotional she was getting. And look.

Kelli (28:44.487)
Not the time, not the time. Nope, totally agree.

Kelli (28:59.091)
That was wild.

Kelli (29:07.699)
Right, she knew she was going to start crying.

Wendy (29:10.134)
Right. It just kind of, listen, it blew me away, to be honest with you. It just made me even like Hillary less that she could be so cold. When Maria is being so vulnerable. And again, it's not like it was planned. just, when they started talking about it, it just came over her. And that's how trauma works, by the way. That's how trauma works. Like it can come out of nowhere.

Kelli (29:20.957)
Yep, absolutely.

Kelli (29:33.439)
Yep, yep.

Wendy (29:39.01)
It can come out of nowhere.

Wendy (29:46.178)
And then in her confessional, Hillary sits there and she said, you know, the amount of swear words coming out of Maria, I'm not inclined to use those kind of words to describe her. It's just that she lacks class.

Kelli (30:01.813)
It's like the pot calling the kettle black, man.

Wendy (30:04.216)
Yeah.

And I'll be honest with you, the way that Maria handled it in that situation, I would say that's about the classiest thing I've ever seen. She said, I appreciate your feedback because I never want to feel like I'm not being respectful in your home.

Kelli (30:15.273)
Yeah, absolutely.

Wendy (30:25.428)
I was like, I mean...

Kelli (30:25.481)
Yep. Yeah, because that could have went real left real quick.

Wendy (30:31.118)
We've said this, she's a Philly girl. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, I know. And again.

Kelli (30:34.535)
Mm-hmm. So I mean, she just talks like that. Like that's just who she is.

Wendy (30:42.774)
I like Maria. I liked her from the jump. I like her even more now. Like the more I watch her, the more I like her. When I watched that TikTok the other day with Rosalyn, Romina and...

Kelli (30:44.211)
Me too. Yep.

Kelli (30:55.839)
Maria? Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (30:56.39)
Maria the three of them like those those are the three I like those are the three I like You know The next scene we

Kelli (31:06.185)
I like Tasha too, I just don't like how close she is with Hillary, but...

Wendy (31:10.678)
And honestly, feel like I don't know enough about Taji yet. I really don't. I feel like I know the least about her from all of them. So I'm still willing to give her a chance. I know, I know.

Kelli (31:18.751)
Well, I know who she's friends with and that turned things for me.

Ugh.

Wendy (31:26.957)
I know.

So the next thing we see is we're at Rosalyn's waterfront mansion and she's there making banana bread with her daughter. Her daughter's there, her son-in-law, and her grandchildren. And Rosalyn's talking about how her grandmother just passed just shortly before they started filming, which is probably the reason why she wasn't sure if she was going to film, because her grandmother was 103.

And she was very close to her. And now we know why she was very close to her, because of what happened.

Kelli (31:59.702)
and she was very close to her.

Wendy (32:12.598)
We find out that her mom died when she was 33 years old, which is the same age that her daughter is that's there now baking the banana bread with her. And she wants to show her how to make the banana bread because it's something that she always did and her daughter loves the banana bread. And she always calls her mom for the recipe when she has to make it because she never, and she's like, where did you get the recipe? Like, she's like, no, I just know it. Like it's just in my head. It's just something I do.

Kelli (32:41.044)
Yeah.

Wendy (32:41.046)
And honestly, I thought it was a nice scene. thought, you know, like, this is real.

She talks about how her mom wound up being on life support and she's the one who had to make the decision.

Kelli (33:02.537)
Yeah. Horrible.

Wendy (33:04.622)
again at 30 at 33 years old.

That's tough.

Kelli (33:11.317)
That's really tough. That's really, really tough.

Wendy (33:14.67)
Right. So again, this is just another layer to who Rosalyn really is, right? Then it's the day of the yacht party.

Kelli (33:22.313)
Right, yes.

Wendy (33:29.998)
Again, Gail walks in and her and Roslyn are making their heart hands to each other. It's so funny. And it really was. It really was.

Kelli (33:41.351)
It was just so over the top.

Yeah.

Wendy (33:49.87)
Rosalyn says she had a sit down with Maria and she said that Romina said to her a few days ago that she felt like Rosalyn was trying to change Romina. Maria was explaining that, you know, Romina felt like Rosalyn was trying to change her. right, right.

Kelli (34:16.223)
Didn't think she was good enough. Yeah.

Wendy (34:19.892)
I understand where Romina would feel that way because of also probably the trauma that she grew up with too. Like these women, like it wasn't easy for them. Like it's not like everything was handed to them, right?

Kelli (34:31.079)
No!

No, they didn't grow up like us.

Wendy (34:36.725)
Right. Right.

Wendy (34:41.108)
So of course Rosalynn is going to be insulted because in her mind she's just helping her. She's and I do think that that was the I mean I think her intentions were pure. She was trying to help Romina and because Romina specifically asked her for help because she knew her from Bucks County.

Kelli (34:56.105)
Yes, yes.

Wendy (35:04.66)
When Maria and Rosalyn were talking, wait, was that Rosalyn?

Wendy (35:16.416)
yeah.

Kelli (35:18.121)
No, I think Maria was talking to Hillary on the yacht, wasn't she?

Wendy (35:21.672)
No. No, so...

Wendy (35:29.847)
Romina

Kelli (35:30.035)
Because doesn't she motorboat her?

Wendy (35:34.38)
That was the motorboat thing. Hold on.

Kelli (35:37.653)
Ha

Wendy (35:39.636)
Yeah, hold on. No, but-

Kelli (35:40.553)
Maybe that was a different scene though.

Wendy (35:47.414)
has a sit down with Maria. trying to say to that Romina said to her few days ago, Maria said that, Maria said that Roslyn said she will never make it in Palm Beach.

Rosalyn said first of all, I never said that about my Romina Maria said I know my truth and I stand in it Rosalyn said I stand in mine. I would never say that Maria said okay, so you're not done and Rosalyn said no, I'm not done Maria said well, I didn't cut you off I didn't agree with everything you said, but I let you speak So Rosalyn said okay, go ahead Maria said I stand in my truth You absolutely did say those things and I told Romina that you said

your reality is different than mine. I will accept that, but I'm not going to be made a liar. No, they did go back and forth on that. So.

Wendy (36:41.908)
I don't know though, listen, Maria saying that Rosalind said, Romina will never make it in Palm Beach. I don't know that we ever saw that on camera.

Kelli (36:52.285)
No, we never saw it on camera. We never saw it on camera.

Wendy (36:55.278)
And Rosalyn is saying, no, I didn't say that. And Maria is saying, well, I'm standing my truth that that's what I heard. I mean, I could honestly see Hillary saying that.

Kelli (37:12.189)
I could definitely see Hillary saying it. I don't know if I could see Rosalyn saying it, but I don't think Maria's a liar. And just the way she handled herself in that conversation where she said, I stand in my truth.

Wendy (37:13.878)
Yeah, yeah.

Wendy (37:18.144)
Right, I don't think Marie's a liar either.

Wendy (37:25.014)
Right, no, I don't think Marie is a liar. I don't. I don't.

Wendy (37:34.154)
So they agree to move forward at that point, those two. Taja starts feeling dizzy, and she starts talking to Hillary about Gayle and how she's from New York. And this is so funny, because then Gayle comes over, and Gayle's like, I live at 1045th Avenue. I used to live at 1045th Avenue. And Hillary's like, I don't know that.

Well, if you know New York, I 1040 Fifth Avenue, I mean, you'd think she was saying like 1200 Pennsylvania Avenue. Like, what the hell is 1040 Fifth Avenue? Like, who knows what that is? Like, seriously, like, it's not...

Kelli (38:10.025)
Right. Right.

Kelli (38:15.477)
I guess she just thought that the Fifth Avenue would... you know... I don't know.

Wendy (38:20.66)
I don't know. mean, maybe. I don't know. like, I mean, there's, I don't know any, I don't know any address. I know New York and I know Fifth Avenue, but I don't know what 1040 Fifth Avenue is. But then she starts, well, I'm on the fourth floor, like Jacqueline Kennedy, Onassis and the Rothschilds. Everyone had their own floor, you 8,000 square feet. And Hillary's just like, what are you talking about? Like, I'm not, right. She doesn't live there now. Gail doesn't live there now.

Kelli (38:45.161)
and she doesn't live there now.

Wendy (38:49.966)
And she's like, I'm not from New York. I'm from Boston. And she's like, well, it's famous real estate, Gail. It's it's famous real estate. Again, I'm like, OK, Gail, a little bit too much. A little bit too much.

Kelli (39:04.053)
Well, she probably figures like, you think you're like a real estate guru, you know, but in Palm Beach she is.

Wendy (39:09.355)
Right.

Right, right.

Wendy (39:16.984)
And then she starts talking about the Rolodex. my gosh. This Rolodex.

Wendy (39:30.134)
Yeah, I never did either on Apple TV. I never watched it either. Yeah, I do too.

Kelli (39:32.606)
I want to now, but Gina said that in the first season, the Rolodex is like a thing that they reference. And it does hold all the secrets. I still don't know if I believe that this is true and there is such a thing, but I mean, maybe the Rolodex, maybe it's just like, you know, what do you call it? Like a clue to something, you know?

Wendy (40:01.27)
Yeah, I mean...

Kelli (40:02.227)
Like not a real physical Rolodex, it's just a reference. Like, I got the Rolodex, meaning I know shit on people.

Wendy (40:09.186)
I know, but I think she even said, I think it even came up that, no, there's a real Rolodex because then Roslyn says to Hillary, you're in the Rolodex. says that you're an incredible tennis player.

Kelli (40:30.101)
That is funny, I forgot about that. She did say that. That is so funny. That's great. That's great.

Wendy (40:31.709)
Which I thought, I thought that was hysterical. I just made that up.

Wendy (40:42.904)
So that's when Gail asks Hillary, like, have you ever chaired anything, you know, any charity things? And she's like, no, you know, I run three businesses. I just, you know, I'll donate to charity functions or I'll attend them. I'll just, you know, go give money. She's like, I don't have time. And Gail's like, well, if you need an invite, just let me know. I'm like, I don't think she needs an invite, but OK.

Kelli (41:04.041)
Well, maybe she does though. If she's not part of these clubs, you know.

Wendy (41:09.91)
Yeah, well, this is where I thought it got, this is where again, where I started, I was like, this is just so funny. So then Hillary says, well, why don't you get Elon to donate a trip to the moon? And she's like, you know Elon? And Hillary's like, no, it was just an idea. It's not like I know him. Gail said, well, I saw him on Friday night. And Hillary's like, well, I walk within two feet of him 10 times a month. And I'm like, wait, what are we doing here? What are we doing here? What are we doing here?

Kelli (41:34.909)
Yeah, what are we doing?

He's like a robot.

Wendy (41:39.693)
And

Okay

Kelli (41:45.097)
Like ladies, is this really what you want to flex about?

Wendy (41:45.431)
and

I know, like this is the hill we're dying on, right? But then it even gets weirder and then she's like, well, I walked within two feet of him 10 times a month. I mean, I know Donald, but I would never ask him, she says, to ask Elon to give a trip. And Gail's like, how long have you known Donald? And she's like, 30 years. Gail said, well, I bid against Donald for Mar-a-Lago. I was like, my God, wait, what?

Kelli (41:50.997)
Right.

Kelli (42:16.021)
Did she say that?

Wendy (42:17.782)
Yes, yes, yes she did.

Kelli (42:21.373)
I heard the horror story with MC Hammer. I didn't hear her say she bit against him for Mar-a-Lago.

Wendy (42:21.858)
Yes.

Wendy (42:26.101)
no.

She bit against him for Mar-a-Lago. Hillary said, well, he didn't pay much for it, as Hillary said. And she said, I was given pre-membership in the beginning. Ivana was one of my best friends.

Kelli (42:32.734)
Interesting.

Wendy (42:49.166)
And then Tasha said, I don't know if what she says is true, but I do know she almost got escorted out by the Secret Service because she saw Donald Trump walking by and said, do you know who I am? Do you know who I am? And the Secret Service told her to stay in your seat, which I would imagine they would do. And he didn't remember her. So I don't know. mean, I...

Kelli (43:02.879)
Yeah.

Kelli (43:08.86)
Absolutely.

Wendy (43:17.354)
You know, knows if any of this is true? Who knows if any of it's true, right?

Kelli (43:20.571)
I know. I know.

Wendy (43:25.762)
But Hillary does say that she thinks that Rosalyn is delusional about her position. What I think is interesting is that I don't think Rosalyn is delusional. I don't think Rosalyn gives her position any thought. I think...

Kelli (43:42.111)
think that was more of a gale thing, quite honestly.

Wendy (43:44.91)
I think it's a Gale thing and I think it is a Hillary thing. Hillary gives her position a thought because she's been there for 21 seasons now.

Kelli (43:55.018)
Right, right. I think Gail was trying to, you know, make something out of the whole passing the baton and all that. I don't think Rosalyn is necessarily interested in that, maybe Gail saw, I mean, obviously Rosalyn and Gail had some kind of friendship, relationship, something before the show started, that's very clear. And maybe Gail got hip to the fact that Hillary was not inviting.

Wendy (43:56.5)
And Rosalyn has not.

Wendy (44:04.717)
Yeah.

Kelli (44:24.063)
to Roslyn and Gail was like, you know, we'll get her, we'll get her, you know.

Wendy (44:30.326)
Yeah, that could be. That could be.

Kelli (44:33.213)
Not like a threat, but like, you know, we'll get under her skin. We'll, we'll figure this out.

Wendy (44:35.031)
Right.

Wendy (44:38.563)
Yeah.

So the next thing that happens is Maria invites the ladies to her record, not her record, her single launch party. And she lets them know that the dress code is over the top fabulous. Okay, I love that. I love that.

Kelli (44:56.541)
Yeah, absolutely.

Wendy (45:06.176)
Okay, this is where the boat, Maria and Hillary happens. Then Maria asks Hillary to sit down and Maria thanked her for inviting her to her house. And she says to her, was in middle of a very emotional moment and you decided to scold me for my language. I thought that that was hurtful. And Hillary responds to her that this is not an appropriate place to have this conversation.

Kelli (45:33.109)
Which is ridiculous.

Wendy (45:34.934)
Right. mean, it was a fine place to have the conversation. Maria said, I think that real friends talk about real things. Hillary said, if this is how you're going to talk, then I don't know if you can be with me, be around me. Maria said, you're a tough one sometimes. You're an asshole. Sometimes you're a queen. I was like, I like it. I like it. I like how she's just going in. I like how she's just going in.

Kelli (45:38.485)
Totally fine.

Kelli (45:59.124)
I do too! Yes!

Wendy (46:02.84)
But I will give you respect when respect is due. But I want the same. And honestly, I think her going in so tough like that, I think Hillary was like...

Kelli (46:15.508)
rattled.

Wendy (46:16.779)
I think so because she said, all right, I'm sorry that you feel that way. The fact that she even said, I'm sorry, not that I'm sorry what I did, but the fact that she even said, I'm sorry that you feel that way, think, you know, says a lot that Maria did what she needed to do. to, Maria said, thank you. She said, I'm gonna motorboat you. And Hillary's like, okay, okay. And she's like, I think you're gonna like it. And she's like, I didn't even know what that meant. And she was like.

How could she not know what that means? I mean, come on.

Kelli (46:47.711)
She knew what it meant. Get the stick out of your ass, Hillary. You knew what that meant. Ridiculous. And that was so funny that she did that.

Wendy (46:52.256)
Right, right, I know, I know.

Wendy (46:59.456)
It was hysterical. It was totally hysterical. All right, that's three. I don't think we're gonna do four now. That's good enough for today.

Kelli (47:02.282)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (47:07.037)
I think so, just because we covered the podcast too and we're almost at 50 minutes. But that was episode three, right? So we have five more episodes to go.

Wendy (47:09.922)
Yeah.

Wendy (47:15.724)
Yes, yes.

Yes, five more to go. Yeah, so like I said, I really, I'm enjoying this show and I hope we get a second season. I do.

Kelli (47:21.205)
All right.

Kelli (47:27.261)
Me too, I really do. Because I really want to see where the dynamic is with the girls, you know, being that Roslyn is obviously very close with Romina and Maria now. I guess Hillary has Tasha, but let's see how this plays out.

Wendy (47:47.158)
And I would think like, this is when the season is, right? I would think January is the season. So if they're gonna be filming, now would be the time they're filming.

Kelli (47:58.301)
Yeah, yeah, I mean, yeah, because this is when the snowbirds go back, right after Christmas.

Wendy (48:04.14)
Right, I'm thinking January, February, March probably is when they're filming.

Kelli (48:08.627)
Yeah.

Wendy (48:09.932)
So you'll be curious to see what's happening.

Kelli (48:13.459)
Yeah, definitely.

Wendy (48:15.298)
Okay, so until next time, thank you for watching and listening. Please subscribe and give us five star reviews. Bye.

Kelli (48:21.77)
Bye.