Maddi’s PowerPoint Revenge + Mia’s Breakup | Southern Hospitality Episode 2 Recap

Wendy (00:01.07)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever, I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:04.413)
I'm Kelly.

Wendy (00:06.306)
We are talking about Southern Hospitality, season four, episode number two, Folly Follies. I don't love the name. I mean, I know where they're getting, but I don't like it.

Kelli (00:16.894)
Me neither.

Me neither.

Wendy (00:21.462)
We pick up where we left off with Maddie and TJ yelling at each other. This is what you mentioned last week. TJ says, could ruin your effing year if I told you the mean shit that everyone said about you. And Maddie's like, so do it. Like, do it. And she's like, I'm not gonna do it. I'm glad he didn't do it because why? Like, what is the point? Like, don't do that.

Kelli (00:42.686)
So I think what I missed maybe or what I thought I heard maybe was him saying like something like even your boyfriend because Joe Bradley was on the group chat with the whole that he was he was So maybe that's what I heard something about the boyfriend I thought he was insinuating that he knew something about Joe Bradley that she didn't know like being messy But it wasn't so I'm glad to hear that and I'm glad he didn't

Wendy (00:53.635)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (00:58.413)
Yeah.

Wendy (01:08.163)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (01:12.766)
You

Wendy (01:14.22)
Yeah. No, I totally agree. Matt is like, you know, we were in a good place and TJ is like, were we? Were we? Like, I don't know. I don't know if we've ever been in a good place, babe. I was like, ooh. He's so snarky. This is what I don't like about TJ. He is so snarky. He's snarky. I don't like it.

Kelli (01:15.688)
tell her things that she didn't need to know right now.

Kelli (01:26.984)
That face that he made was...

Kelli (01:35.73)
That's the kind of face you want to punch. The face, him. I'm not saying, I'm just saying that face that he like, were we, were we, I would have had a hard time holding back.

Wendy (01:39.598)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (01:51.852)
Yeah, yeah. So Maddie's like, you you lied and TJ said, go F yourself. And Joe Bradley's like trying to stop Maddie. And he's saying like, that's enough, like back up, back up. And I'm like, my God, first of all, he's not having her back. He's not having her back. And Bradley's like, listen, I want.

Kelli (02:10.696)
I think he was trying to prevent her from.

doing something physically that she might have regret. She's aggressive. Maddie is aggressive. Yes. I didn't love the way she was treating Joe Bradley, quite honestly.

Wendy (02:21.561)
my God, she pops off. She pops off.

Wendy (02:31.918)
Listen, I have to agree with a lot of them. I think Joe Bradley's a puppy dog. I think he's a puppy dog. I mean...

Kelli (02:36.532)
Oh, well yeah, yeah. And I mean, that's not a great recipe for a relationship.

Wendy (02:48.814)
so Bradley said, listen, I want to have a normal conversation with you, but you keep yelling and getting ridiculous. And Maddie's like, well, you keep getting combative and defensive. And Joe said, Maddie, are getting combative. And Bradley's like, thank you. And I was like, that's what I was like, no. And Maddie's like, said to Joe, bitch, I have a right to be. And Joe's like, yeah, yeah, I'm defending you. Yeah. Yeah. And he's like,

Kelli (03:05.341)
Yeah.

Kelli (03:12.499)
When she called a bitch I was like

Wendy (03:19.082)
I'm defending you and you know, it was bad. It was just bad. She does pop off. He tries to be a soldier, but he's a puppy dog. She's a barracuda and he's a puppy dog. And it's like, ugh. So Bradley said like, you took it where, like we're here because you're yelling. I said, okay, we'll go private. And then she's gonna go inside with Bradley and she tells Joe, no, like you stay, I don't want you in there.

Kelli (03:37.448)
Yeah.

Wendy (03:49.08)
Like, and she was right, like he didn't need to be in there. She's like, stay out. So like Bradley and Maddie go inside and you know, he apologizes to her. And honestly, this is what I said last week when I saw it. Like he really thought they were in a good place. He really thought they were in a good place.

Kelli (03:51.731)
Yeah, yeah.

Kelli (04:07.59)
Yeah, yes, yes, yes

Wendy (04:10.632)
And when he found out like how she felt and what she was going through, he was sorry. And he like, he apologized. I personally think Maddie has serious anger issues. I know that she's been sober for a long time and she doesn't drink, but I definitely think besides her AA sponsor, the girl needs some therapy. She needs some therapy.

I definitely think she needs some therapy and I don't think that's a bad thing. I don't. I like her. I mean, I like Maddie. I want Maddie to win. I want her to win. I want her and Joe to win. I want Joe to grow some though. I want Joe to grow some.

Kelli (04:43.08)
Right. Right.

yeah. for sure.

Me too.

Kelli (04:55.88)
Well, we'll get to it later in the episode, but the best thing Joe could do for Joe right now is let Maddie do what she's doing and him focus on his career. After that conversation with Leva, which I know we'll get to. That's the best thing he could do for himself right now.

Wendy (05:05.718)
Yeah.

Wendy (05:09.463)
Yeah, yeah.

Wendy (05:14.946)
So Bradley apologizes, Matty accepts it, you know.

Kelli (05:19.314)
I mean, they really broke down to each other, which was what needed to happen. like, everybody on Bravo should take a lesson from these two, because this is what needs to happen to get resolution.

Wendy (05:24.216)
Yeah.

Wendy (05:29.654)
Yes, yes, 100%. And you know, Bradley explained what happened, but I do think that, I think Emmy twisted Maddie's perception of what happened. Because I think based on what Maddie said, Emmy said that Bradley was like turning it around and making it something that wasn't because.

She said that she felt unsafe because of that text message. Like that, that, I mean, that's not cool. That's not cool.

Kelli (06:06.324)
So I'm not defending Emmy in this case because I cannot speak on how a black man feels when someone says that, but I can tell you and I'm sure you agree that a mother of a son, if I ever heard someone say that about my son, I would die. That would make me sick and I would hope he would feel the same way.

Wendy (06:30.732)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (06:33.436)
and I would imagine that for a black man, it's much worse. I can only imagine that it's much worse. I do think, yeah, I do think she was speaking on the fact that he heard her and then text her about it, so it was like, what the fuck, is he listening to me? However, I don't think the word unsafe, again, semantics, but I don't think the word unsafe was a good choice of words to use.

Wendy (06:38.518)
I can only imagine too, you're absolutely right and that's great analogy.

Wendy (07:03.732)
No, I don't think so either. I don't think so either, especially when Bradley broke it down. She doesn't understand how that could affect me working at Republic, how that can affect me, my reputation as a black man. And she can't, there's no way she can, right? Right, right, there's no way, there's no way that she can. But I really feel like, and I know that you really like Emmy and you want Emmy and Will to work, I really think that Emmy,

Kelli (07:04.455)
at all.

Kelli (07:16.872)
Yep. A personal trainer. Like he's got a whole side business.

Wendy (07:34.902)
is lying in this whole situation. I think she made the situation worse. I think she portrayed it to Maddie differently than it was, which is what got Maddie so pissed off. I think that that's what happened.

Kelli (07:46.771)
And I think, listen, it served her and Will well to take this to Maddie the night before the reunion. I don't think they did it out of concern for Maddie. I think they did it to get Maddie and Joe on their side against Bradley and TJ.

Wendy (07:55.949)
Yes it did.

Wendy (08:00.225)
No.

Wendy (08:07.118)
covering up for Will. Because I think Will is really the problem here. Which is why Will didn't show up to the reunion. Which is why Will is not back on the show. Because I think Will had some indiscretions. And I think Emmy knows about them.

Kelli (08:09.17)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (08:23.141)
for sure.

Wendy (08:24.618)
And I think they were trying to cover that up. And by doing that, I think they were trying to throw Bradley under the bus. And listen, I'll be honest with you, if you wanna throw TJ under the bus, I don't really care, because I don't really like TJ. I don't think he's such a great guy. I don't think he's a great guy. I don't think he's a good friend. I don't think he's a good friend. don't. I actually don't know even who he's a good friend to, because he was supposed to be really good friends with Joe Bradley. I mean, he was supposed to be good friends. mean, Matty said that he's...

Kelli (08:32.723)
Yes.

Kelli (08:37.576)
I agree. I totally agree.

Wendy (08:54.466)
weirdly close with her mom. And, I mean, we talk.

Kelli (08:58.362)
He is a good friend to Mia, that's for sure, because he ran and told her about the face, you know, the cutout.

Wendy (09:03.118)
Yeah, but you know what? He's a good friend to me and now, but I wouldn't put it past him throwing me under the bus if it served him either, to be quite honest with you. I wouldn't put it past him. I wouldn't. don't trust TJ. I don't like him. I really don't.

Kelli (09:12.284)
Right. I think you're right.

Wendy (09:20.136)
And I like the fact that, know, Maddie showed Bradley the text message and, you know, he explained his side of it and he said, you know, the Emmy thing aside, I'm going to deal with her separately. I'm glad that he said that. And I think that he needs to. And I definitely think that he needs to.

Kelli (09:37.724)
Yeah. Yes.

Wendy (09:46.838)
I like that they made amends. I saw that Maddie was really hurt, that she really felt guilty about the whole Trevor thing, that she didn't believe her partner, that she, listen, she smashed his phone, the shovel, freaking out, this is what I'm saying, the girl has anger issues. Like she has anger issues.

Kelli (09:48.904)
Yeah, me too.

Kelli (10:06.708)
For sure. And he was publicly humiliated on national television. Like they brought that girl to that party where she was, mean, and it was a lie. Like, I mean, that's crazy. That's a crazy stretch. All because Maddie said you got a BJ out in the alley by someone who wasn't your girlfriend. Just listen, just deny it and move on.

Wendy (10:13.548)
Yes. Yes.

Wendy (10:18.552)
to lie.

Wendy (10:26.786)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (10:36.754)
This makes you look so much more guilty than just being like, shut up. did not. Done.

Wendy (10:43.926)
Right, right, exactly, exactly.

And I like the fact that, listen, she's like, I was 22, I was toxic as shit, and so was he. Like, they were young. I mean, they're still young, but they were really, I mean, 22. 22's young. I mean, think about what we were doing at 22.

Kelli (10:54.398)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (11:04.404)
don't remember much, but I do remember my 22nd birthday being one of my best birthdays at Jenks. I do.

Wendy (11:08.758)
You do? I don't remember my 22nd birthday. I don't. It was not memorable.

Kelli (11:13.406)
I had so much fun at Jenks on my 22nd birthday. I was single. And I was like, good single. Like good headspace single. It was a good time. I have pictures somewhere to prove it, but I believe they are buried somewhere.

Wendy (11:23.532)
Okay.

Wendy (11:30.282)
I'm, yeah, probably not, not the right time to take him out, right?

Kelli (11:31.838)
for safekeeping. No, no. The scene with Michael's, yeah, this is, this I thought was hysterical.

Wendy (11:40.654)
So then the next thing, yeah.

Wendy (11:46.818)
Yeah, so Lake and Michaels are talking and they're catching up about like the after party, right? And I guess apparently Lake had a conversation with Molly at the after party, but she doesn't remember it because she was so drunk. She's like, but listen, we're good. I think we're good. We're good. Which listen, that's perfect. That's how it should be.

Kelli (11:57.973)
Exactly.

you

Kelli (12:06.322)
Right, whether you are or not, you're good now.

Wendy (12:09.006)
Right.

And then we see TJ FaceTiming with Mia, you know, talking about the Sir Wieners party and what happened with Maddie. Then we see Julia showing up, that's Maddie's sponsor, and Maddie has been 11 years sober. I didn't realize it was that long. That is amazing. That's amazing!

Kelli (12:30.228)
Me neither because she doesn't look old enough to, I mean, I shouldn't say that. My best friend is sober before she turned 21. But still, she doesn't look old enough to have that many sober years behind her, but God bless her for it.

Wendy (12:42.36)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (12:49.772)
Yes, I, listen, I'm so proud of her for that 11 years because it's not easy. It's not easy and she was talking to Julie about that. When things like this happen, the first thing you think about is that you wanna go have a drink. You wanna have a drink, but listen, Maddie knows how to cope. She goes home and makes a PowerPoint instead. mean.

Kelli (13:06.728)
Yep. Yep.

Kelli (13:15.422)
I love that the sponsor was like, not show him the PowerPoint. She was like, man, you have a lot of time on your hands.

Wendy (13:18.732)
or not show the PowerPoint. I know, I loved, listen, I loved Julia. I loved everything about her because she was just like, wait, what? Like you came home after this and you made the PowerPoint?

Kelli (13:24.468)
She was great.

Kelli (13:34.548)
So funny. So funny.

Wendy (13:36.258)
But listen, that PowerPoint, it showed a lot of pictures that her and TJ are friends. What are you talking about?

Kelli (13:43.324)
And like you could tell that some of them were like before filming, like before this show started. Right? Like you could tell just, yes, how young they were. It's like we never saw them that young.

Wendy (13:49.218)
Definitely. They were long-term friends.

Wendy (13:59.704)
I mean, it just hurt her and she just needs to admit it hurt her and she needs to just talk to TJ and just squash it with TJ because you can't let this fester inside you or you can just keep making PowerPoints. Like what is the point? I thought it was so funny though and she's like, so I shouldn't send him the PowerPoint? She's like, no, don't send him the PowerPoint.

Kelli (14:20.02)
And you know remember TJ and Emmy were very good friends at 1.2

Wendy (14:27.66)
Yes, they were.

Kelli (14:27.892)
TJ and Emmy were very, very close. He doesn't care, so you're right. He probably would flip on Mia if given the opportunity.

Wendy (14:36.066)
I definitely think he would. I definitely think he would. I think TJ looks out for TJ. I just do, and it's sad.

Kelli (14:39.422)
Yeah. Right. And he might have known as a very close friend of Emmy's that Will did have an indiscretion and Emmy did forgive him and Emmy did get past it. And now he's weaponizing it against her on a show for a storyline. So he could be relevant.

Wendy (15:00.322)
Yeah, yeah, I think that that's what it, I definitely think that's what it was. And I even wrote down, like, you can tell that Maddie is really hurt about what happened. It's not that she's mad, it's that she's hurt. And the fact that Bradley was willing to take accountability for it, like that went so far with her. Like if TJ would just take accountability, she could move forward. But not only can he not take accountability, he like doubles down and says, we weren't even close.

Kelli (15:13.661)
Yeah.

Kelli (15:23.923)
Right.

Kelli (15:30.342)
And I am like that, like I, only one person has really, and you know, but I'm not gonna go into the story, has like been like so disloyal to me where it like affected my children. Unforgivable. So, you know, for certain reasons, I had to kind of put it aside and move past it, but you know, things will never be the same. But I am that.

Wendy (15:46.765)
Right.

Kelli (15:57.237)
type of person that if I find out you've been disloyal to me, I am extremely hurt because to me, like that's like the worst thing you could do to a person. And I'm not like that. I would never be like that.

Wendy (16:03.949)
Right.

Wendy (16:09.292)
Right. Right.

Wendy (16:14.55)
Right, and what happens is when Maddie gets hurt, it comes out as anger on her side. Like instead of just, it's just anger, it's just rage. It just goes from hurt to blind rage, which is not healthy. It's not healthy for her. It's not.

Kelli (16:21.043)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (16:33.02)
It's not healthy for her, but I'll tell you what, Joe Bradley's probably the perfect partner for her because let's face it, she's never gonna question him. She's never gonna think to herself, is there any way this guy's been disloyal to me? Because he's, for lack of a better phrase, upper ass. He's probably the best kind of partner for her. If she's not going to, and listen, I think Mandy's a great person. I don't think this is like, you

Wendy (16:48.525)
No.

Wendy (16:53.869)
He's a puppy dog.

Kelli (17:03.272)
But if she's not going to, like you said, go to therapy and kind of try to work through that, he's the perfect person for her to be with.

Wendy (17:12.034)
Yeah, no, I definitely think he is good for her. I just wish he would...

Maybe stand up to her a little bit and try and get her to go to therapy, you know?

Kelli (17:25.138)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (17:27.63)
So then the next thing we see is TJ goes over to Justin's house and Justin is telling TJ how he's had too many sleepovers lately with Jordan. I did not realize until later on the episode that Jordan actually worked at Republic with them. I just thought that Jordan was like his friends with benefits. Did you know that?

Kelli (17:45.926)
No, I completely agree.

Wendy (17:48.572)
okay. was like, did I miss something? Like I didn't realize that until later on in the episode.

Kelli (17:50.822)
No, no, she's who's Molly's roommate we find out

Wendy (17:56.206)
Yes, yes, Molly's roommate, exactly. Yeah, so that whole thing, I mean, TJ says, know, in his confessional, he's talking about, you know, how it went south with him with his girlfriend in Australia. But then we find out that they started threesome, right? Right. Yes, yes, because there was a threesome involved. I mean, come on.

Kelli (17:59.487)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (18:12.968)
Because they had a threesome! that was last episode. This came up in our prior episode.

Kelli (18:22.802)
Yeah, ended the relationship.

Wendy (18:27.746)
Don't have a threesome if you really love someone. Don't do it. Just don't do it. It's not. Someone always catches feelings. It's what happens. It happens. Someone catches feelings. Don't do it. Get yourself an inanimate object to be your threesome. Otherwise known as a sex toy. Yeah. Okay.

Kelli (18:27.89)
Not sustainable people. Yeah, it's not a good idea. It gets murky. It's murky waters.

Kelli (18:38.268)
Right. Right.

Right.

Kelli (18:49.288)
Right. Right. Or doll. Right. Right.

Wendy (18:58.146)
And then TJ says to Justin, have a gift for you. You need to close your eyes. my gosh. listen, I've never, honestly I've never.

Kelli (19:10.644)
I'm gonna get that for you for your next birth.

Wendy (19:12.962)
Do not get that from me. Do not get that from me. I actually wrote, I am speechless. I am speechless. TJ got Justin, it was disgusting. He got him a decanter with a dick and balls. A dick and balls decanter. What? It was disgusting. It was disgusting. It was absolutely disgusting.

Kelli (19:20.572)
It was gross looking.

Kelli (19:30.024)
Yeah, it was gross. It was kinda gross looking. Yeah. Yeah. I'm all for a good gag gift, but, ugh.

Wendy (19:37.602)
And then Justin, I don't, listen, I think Justin liked it to be quite honest with you. He said like, I'm already, right, he said I'm already fighting the gay rumors, like Jordan already thinks I'm gay and TJ's like, it's probably because like you kissed me and Michaels. He's like, yeah. In front of her, in front of her.

Kelli (19:43.661)
He said he's 30 % gay.

Kelli (19:54.014)
How about that?

Kelli (19:58.229)
I mean, listen, we've always kind of had this conversation. It's fluid and, you know, this is what makes me so angry at Sally on Southern Charm because like I said, if I would go that way, she is the, I mean, I just think she's stunningly beautiful, but she's annoying AF. But I think Justin, I think there might be a little bit more than 30 % there, but whatever, do you, Justin?

Wendy (20:06.744)
Right.

Wendy (20:21.965)
Yeah.

Wendy (20:25.568)
I think so too. Yeah, who cares? Like who cares? Why do we have to label everything? Stop labeling shit. Just go live your life and be happy. Be kind, be happy, live your life. That's it. That's what we need to do, right?

Kelli (20:29.393)
Exactly.

Right. Right.

Right. It's like that Sex in the City episode where she dates the guy who was bi and the title of the episode, think it was like Girl, Boy, Boy, Girl. It was cute. Yeah.

Wendy (20:48.874)
So I don't, oh god, I just forgot what I was gonna say.

Damn it, was something good too.

Kelli (21:05.236)
too many espresso martini.

Wendy (21:08.002)
mean, it's only one and a sip. Like it's not even two. Damn it. All right. Maybe it'll come back to me. All right. So Maddie goes to Republic and they're all getting ready for work. And it's so weird to see them there. Like they have these big fights and then all of a sudden they all show up at work together and they're like, okay, like here we are to work.

Kelli (21:13.362)
Yeah, it'll come back to you. It'll come back.

Kelli (21:29.652)
They're all in that room where they get pepped up before their shift.

Wendy (21:36.032)
Yeah.

Kelli (21:37.374)
But meanwhile, they were screaming in each other's faces last night.

Wendy (21:40.534)
Yeah, exactly, exactly. So Bradley's talking to Maddie and telling her that, know, Julie and him are celebrating their one year anniversary and that they're all gonna go to Follies, which is a place that is 30 minutes away from Charleston, and that they want to invite everybody, like to celebrate with them. And he wants to invite her, but he also wants her to kind of make up with TJ and Mia, and he wants her to be open to that.

Kelli (21:42.34)
You

Wendy (22:09.26)
And she's like, yeah, okay, like I'm open to that. I like that, I like that whole scene. I like that they are communicating.

Kelli (22:19.41)
Yeah, I-I-but Emy was watching the whole time. She looked pissed.

Wendy (22:24.214)
Yes, she does. She always looks pissed. when Maddie and TJ were fighting, I mean, Maddie said this when she was talking to Julia, literally, Emmy was like cowering. She was like shaking. She literally was shaking.

Kelli (22:42.278)
I think, and you know, I say this a lot, but I think that Maddie has extreme anxiety, I'm sorry, Emmy has extreme anxiety. She does not like confrontation.

Wendy (22:51.309)
Emmy.

Wendy (22:57.262)
Well, that's a fact.

Kelli (22:58.674)
Yeah, because I think we're going to see at this dinner next week. We didn't see it this week, but next week, I think we're going to really see her break down.

Wendy (23:03.658)
No, yeah.

Wendy (23:08.408)
So, Maddie agrees to hear them out, Emmy sees what's going on, and she's like, where's my apology from Bradley? What about all the bullshit he put me through after the reunion? And then we see Bradley talking to his girlfriend, Julia, and Julia's like, listen, you need to invite Emmy. If you don't invite Emmy, you're just as bad as she is. And I like that. I like that that Julia is the voice of reason. I do like that.

Kelli (23:33.94)
I agree, I think she's in, I don't know about this girl, because I feel like she might be in love with me, sir. I feel like, I mean, they've been together for a year, so that says something, but I feel like maybe she's with Bradley to be on the show. But we'll see. I hope not for his sake, because it seems like he really cares about her. I don't know, we'll see.

Wendy (23:38.625)
We don't know about her.

Wendy (23:49.016)
Right.

Wendy (23:58.114)
I like that at least she's the voice of reason and she can get through to him.

Kelli (24:01.406)
She gave him good advice. Yeah. Right.

Wendy (24:03.244)
Right, right. And he listens to her. So the next thing we see is that TJ meets up with Mia and Molly and they all do a shot together. And after Mia does the shot, she's like, I have some news for you. And Molly's like, you're pregnant. And TJ's like, she just did a shot.

Kelli (24:24.542)
She's like, girl, what's wrong with you? That was funny.

Wendy (24:26.976)
Yeah, I know. And me is like, well, Troy and I broke up and I was shocked too. I was shocked too. But then when she explained it, I got it. Like it made sense to me. She's like, listen, a hundred percent. She's like, we've been together two years. I said to him, like, you know, what's our end game? And he thought like, I was going to be like,

Kelli (24:32.591)
I was shocked.

Kelli (24:42.388)
It was very Craig and Paige.

Wendy (24:52.332)
you know, are we getting engaged? But I said no, like, when are you moving to Charleston? I can't keep doing this long distance thing. I don't even know where exactly does he live, do you know?

Kelli (25:02.3)
I don't know, but I believe he was a firefighter. And while she was saying all this, I just thought of Madison LaCroix and her husband, where he's also a firefighter in California. He didn't leave his job to move to Charleston. He goes there and works because of the retirement plan that he has. So I would imagine that, I'm almost positive this guy's a firefighter. He probably has the same deal, like...

Wendy (25:16.173)
I know.

Kelli (25:29.266)
Maybe he isn't gonna move to Charleston, but maybe he's gonna do what Brent does and be with you as much as possible. I don't know. I don't know if because Madison and her husband make it seem so easy. I'm not saying it's easy for them, but watching them, it just works where if it's the same situation with.

Wendy (25:49.64)
my God, Brent is fabulous. He loves Madison like no other. They are the cutest.

Kelli (25:53.169)
my God, like talk about the number one guy in the group.

Wendy (25:58.498)
They are couples goals, those two. They're couples goals. Right.

Kelli (26:00.607)
Couples goals. He's the number one guy in every group as far as I'm concerned

Wendy (26:06.816)
I think he's, I agree with you. I agree with you. And I didn't even watch the season, but the little bits I saw of it and last season, like he loves her and I love her. I love Madison. I love Madison. I love who she is. Yeah, she's true.

Kelli (26:15.357)
adorbs.

Kelli (26:19.852)
she's the best thing that ever happened to Southern Charm. Because I, like I said, I want it to be about the guys, because they make the show. The show has evolved into being about the guys, and I'm here for it. As long as Madison's there. And I don't think they'd want to do it without Madison. They all love Madison. And Madison and Austin used to date, and it ended horribly. And she hated Shep, and she hated Craig. So the fact that they're all like...

Wendy (26:31.511)
It's a boys club.

Wendy (26:41.454)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (26:48.69)
BFFs now, I love it. But that's what I was thinking about with this conversation. Like maybe this guy can't move to Charleston because of his job.

Wendy (26:53.069)
Yeah.

Wendy (27:00.27)
I didn't think he was a firefighter, to be honest with you, for some reason, and I could be wrong, we should look it up. I thought he had something to do in finance. Can you look it up?

Kelli (27:03.966)
Or is he a cop maybe?

Kelli (27:09.938)
Yeah, I really thought he was...

Wendy (27:16.13)
While you look it up, I'm going to talk about what happens with Joe.

Kelli (27:16.21)
I really thought he was a-

Kelli (27:21.33)
What's his name this guy?

Wendy (27:23.662)
Troy, I don't know what his last name is, but Troy, because Mia's heartbroken. She said he's definitely been the most serious boyfriend she's ever had. She thought that he was going to be her end game. And when he said that he couldn't give her an answer about when he could move.

I don't know why, I thought he had something to do with finance.

Wendy (27:52.12)
But I don't even know, like did we ever even really meet, Troy?

Kelli (27:55.669)
She's in finance. Yes, he was on at least one episode. Southern Hospitality's Mia Lario has a day job in finance. Okay, well what does he do?

Kelli (28:10.908)
I can't fight. Are they still together?

Kelli (28:22.27)
He lives in a different state. She met him on a dating app.

Wendy (28:22.582)
You can see shoot.

Wendy (28:29.464)
We don't know.

Kelli (28:31.752)
Yes, we are still dating. That was in 2024 though.

Wendy (28:39.47)
So we don't know. don't... That is annoying. We don't know what he does, but you could tell she was definitely heartbroken. She was definitely heartbroken because she really did... But I'm glad she had the conversation because listen, she's not getting any younger. She's got two years into this. If he has no intentions of meeting her in Charleston and moving, then why continue this?

Kelli (28:39.816)
That's annoying.

Kelli (28:47.069)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (29:02.406)
Yeah, I mean, I would imagine the long distance thing gets old. Like I said, it's very Craig and Paige. if, you know, she's not gonna leave Charleston and he's not gonna move from wherever he's from. So yeah, so some point you have to make a decision.

Wendy (29:10.157)
Yeah.

Wendy (29:16.866)
Right, right. So then the next thing we see is Joe goes to meet with Leva. I mean, my gosh, before he even meets with her, him and Maddie are talking about how he's gonna make this meeting happen. And Maddie's like, chat GBT it. And he's like, no, I'm not. And he just like sends her off a text. Can you meet with me? I was like, these men. I mean, yeah, and whatever. So he gets there and he starts out with, I'm so grateful to work here.

Kelli (29:38.002)
Yeah, I'd love to meet.

Wendy (29:45.834)
I'm Team Republic. I'm not going anywhere. Okay. I'm turning 30 in August and I have to do what's best for me and I want to grow professionally. Okay. But you're the one who disappeared. I mean, what the hell is wrong with you? I loved how Levvage is like said, like, I mean, what are you doing? Yes.

Kelli (30:06.526)
Well, we saw it. We saw it on one season. Cause remember he was very upset when Emmy was made whatever position they gave her that by the time they came back, even by the time they filmed the reunion, didn't have the position anymore. But Joe was very upset and felt that that should have been his position. And Levitt at that point said to him, this is what we need from you. This is what Lamar and I are looking for. He's never done it. Listen.

Wendy (30:18.104)
She, right, she didn't have it. Right, right.

Wendy (30:33.73)
No.

Kelli (30:33.886)
Joe Bradley became a very big personality on Bravo. He screwed Luanne. I mean, that's high status there.

Wendy (30:41.996)
while he was with Danielle from Summerhouse.

Kelli (30:45.274)
God, that's right. I forgot about her. Yeah, like.

Wendy (30:46.924)
Right, right, while he was with Daniel from Summer House. And he's bent out of shape that TJ got the Sir Wiener deal. TJ presented the Sir Wiener deal to Leva. You haven't presented anything. Right.

Kelli (30:57.308)
And it's totally separate from Leva's business. this is, she has to put probably very little money out to host these events and he's bringing business to her. She's making a shit ton of money because he's buying all the supplies and shit for his hot dogs and he's bringing business into her. Like this is a no brainer for Leva.

Wendy (31:08.462)
would say no money. She makes money. Right, she makes money.

Kelli (31:23.112)
This isn't her handing TJ something. This is TJ, like you said, presenting something to her. Like, this can benefit us both.

Wendy (31:32.632)
He is so immature. He's just so immature. And the fact that you are turning 30 in August and you haven't figured this shit out? I mean, wake the F up!

Kelli (31:35.476)
He's

Kelli (31:43.152)
He is the, you know, his mom, you know, he probably had everything done for him his whole life.

which I'm probably guilty of doing for my own kid, so I should be ashamed of myself for even saying that. No shame to his mother, because I'm the same way. But that's what I'm saying. You're telling her, this is what I'm gonna do, this is what I want, but you're not, and then she's reciprocating and saying, okay, well then this is what I need from you, and you're just not doing it. Yeah, he did follow Maddie all around the country with her.

Wendy (32:17.452)
Right. He's like, well, she needed me, her anxiety. Okay, so then that's on you then. That's on you. I like that Levis said basically, the door is closed. Like the door is closed. She did not mess around. She made it perfectly clear. The door is closed for you. You need to prove yourself. There's nothing here for you right now. Get your shit together.

Kelli (32:24.818)
Right. By the way...

Kelli (32:32.808)
Yeah. no, she shot him down. Yeah.

Kelli (32:45.843)
Yeah.

Wendy (32:46.318)
But I like how Joe compared himself to Brad Pitt. What?

Kelli (32:49.989)
my god.

Wendy (32:53.134)
Brad Pitt? my god. I mean listen, I'm not a huge Brad Pitt fan, but...

Kelli (32:58.642)
No, me neither. That was wild. That was wild.

Kelli (33:08.016)
Yeah, this is when, yeah, so then when Molly and TJ and are together, this is when we find out that Molly lives with Jordan, who is friends with Benefit with Justin, and Justin was out with Molly trying to hook up with her, sleeping with Jordan and saying how good looking he thinks Mia is.

Wendy (33:22.424)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (33:26.294)
Right, exactly. Like, Justin is another, like, boy toy player.

Kelli (33:33.448)
Justin is the new F-boy on Southern Hospitality.

Wendy (33:36.099)
Yeah.

I agree, I totally agree. But I did like, so actually Folly Beach is 20 minutes from Charleston. I did love the night that Julia and Bradley were there together and the gift that Julia gave to Bradley, the card with the handwriting from the journal. That was the most thoughtful gift I have ever seen in my entire life, to be quite honest with you.

Kelli (33:39.368)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (33:54.769)
my god.

Kelli (33:58.517)
That was a, that was.

Kelli (34:03.294)
You're right. You're right. I should be ashamed of myself saying she's a clout chaser. Because that really was, that was a extremely thoughtful gift. Extremely thoughtful.

Wendy (34:10.51)
my gosh. It really was. Honestly, that was the most thoughtful gift I've ever seen. And you could see Bradley really appreciated it, as he should. I think he should.

Kelli (34:23.698)
Yep. Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (34:28.162)
Kelli (34:29.406)
private chef he got for her.

Wendy (34:32.062)
my gosh, he did such a nice job. He really did.

Kelli (34:34.856)
Yeah.

Wendy (34:37.954)
Then everyone shows up and Maddie goes over and gives a hug to Mia. I mean, it's like, you're not gonna step on me today. And Maddie's like, well, like, what are you talking, like, Maddie was like, what are you talking about?

Kelli (34:48.614)
I always liked Mia and I think that that's why, like she does not hold back. Like even when she got fired with, with Levitt, like she called Levitt out for, for firing the other girl. cannot think of her name. but, and, and Mia was like, everybody drinks. And she was like, who? She's like me. And Levitt was like, well then I guess I got to fire you too. Like I just always liked Mia because she always just said, like she just says it.

Wendy (34:53.581)
No.

Wendy (35:12.52)
You're fired. Yeah. Right.

Wendy (35:20.118)
Yeah, so Mia says it and she said, she stands 10 toes down, she's not in that group chat and Maddie said, I was really hurt by you and TJ. And then when she's in her confessional, she starts looking, she's like, my God, I was in the group chat.

Kelli (35:38.836)
I

Kelli (35:42.836)
That was really funny.

Wendy (35:44.02)
I left, I left so hard. was like, boy. Great. But listen, they squash it. They agree to squash it, which is what needs to happen.

Kelli (35:46.834)
That was really funny. That was funny.

Kelli (35:55.186)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (36:00.641)
Maddie does say, and I think that this is it. She's like, I felt like I had a lot of pent up PTSD and I'm sorry that I knocked over your cardboard cutout. Maddie is learning not to see, she needs to learn not to see red all the time. Like she needs to just, she needs to find a therapist. She needs to stop going from zero to 10. Her hurt.

shows up as rage and anger. And she needs to just feel the hurt and move through it. She can't react that way. It is not going to serve her well. It's going to get her in trouble, like poor Grace Lilly, who keeps getting arrested for drugs.

Kelli (36:42.898)
Yeah, I don't know what that's all about. I mean, it must be something more than weed, I would imagine, right? Grace Lilly was there.

Wendy (36:46.476)
I mean, Grace Lilly was there too. Yes, it's definitely, they say a controlled dangerous substance. I don't know if weed is a controlled dangerous substance anymore, is it?

Kelli (36:56.766)
I don't think they refer to it.

Wendy (36:59.592)
No, I don't either. I like, I do like Grace Lilly. I mean, I mean, she had last time it was happy pills.

Kelli (37:02.324)
I mean, maybe it's Xanax?

Kelli (37:10.516)
I mean, I could refer to Xanax as happy pills.

Wendy (37:10.858)
and yeah, I could too. When Maddie was talking about TJ and how he called her when he was arrested for a DUI, I don't know if you caught this, he was never charged. He was never charged. Did you see that?

Kelli (37:27.486)
I did see that. I saw that. yeah.

Wendy (37:32.59)
Yeah. TJ, Maddie is actually your friend, so get your head out of your ass and go apologize to Maddie.

Kelli (37:33.342)
sure it ends with that.

Wendy (37:43.33)
Like, it's not cool, TJ. It's not cool.

Kelli (37:45.608)
No, no, and I really think he just goes with the wind where the wind takes him, like where he thinks he's gonna get the most attention or be the most relevant.

And it's not serving him now because look, now Maddie and Bradley are fine. So now what? So I guess maybe next week we'll see Maddie and TJ, but Emmy definitely breaks down at this dinner.

Wendy (37:59.778)
Yeah.

Wendy (38:06.104)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (38:14.156)
I mean, it's definitely there because you could see they're outside, right? And what we saw of Maddie breaking down, she was like full on hysterical. That's what, wait, did I say? Emmy, yeah, I knew you meant Emmy. Yeah, no, I knew you meant Emmy. So Emmy like breaks down like full on hysterical, like crying.

Kelli (38:18.708)
Yeah.

Kelli (38:22.866)
I Emmy, Emmy broke down, Emmy breaks down, yeah. No, I said Maddie and then, yeah.

Wendy (38:39.02)
I mean, it could be her anxiety. I shouldn't judge that. It could be her anxiety. Again, she maybe needs to see a therapist too. Listen, therapy is not a bad thing, kids. It is not a bad thing. See a therapist. It will make you happy. It will make you happy. I have been listening to, you're not watching it, but I'm watching Summer House. I'm loving Summer House. And Carl from Summer House has his own podcast. I forget what it's called. He just had Sierra on it. I love Sierra.

Kelli (38:41.0)
I think she has bad anxiety. I really do.

Kelli (38:49.812)
No. No. Yeah.

Wendy (39:09.902)
Sienna? Sierra?

Kelli (39:13.384)
Summerhouse of Sierra. Sienna was the girl from Southern Charm last year that dated Shep that lived in Bahamas.

Wendy (39:15.148)
Sierra, I'm sorry.

Okay, yeah, yeah, okay. Sorry, just got like a brain fart. So Sierra. So Sierra and Amanda have both attributed their new found leaving of the bed, because they were self-proclaimed bed bugs, right? To...

Kelli (39:21.914)
I know sometimes that happens.

Wendy (39:41.774)
Prozac, to Prozac. They are openly talk, and Sarah was openly talking about it, like, Carl's asking her these questions. And I think that is fabulous. I think that people, if you need to get Prozac, or you need to get whatever kind of antidepressant you need, or anti-anxiety medication that you need under a doctor's supervision to make you, right, it has to be under a doctor's supervision.

Kelli (39:49.46)
Good.

Kelli (39:54.472)
For sure.

Kelli (40:07.058)
Right, right.

Kelli (40:11.282)
Yes.

Wendy (40:11.286)
to make you happy and healthy, then just go do it. Just go do it. Life is too short to be spending time in bed and being miserable and not wanting to leave and not feeling good about yourself. I think that that's what a lot of these people need. I really, really do. I mean, we were talking about, just recently, about the new episodes of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives came on, and you said that...

Kelli (40:24.947)
Right.

Wendy (40:37.912)
People are saying how horrible it is. And I was saying, I haven't watched the new season yet, but what I've watched of seasons one, two, and three, these are the most traumatized individuals I have ever seen in my life. I mean, the trauma that they have gone through in their lives is really like gut wrenching. It's gut wrenching. And I don't think that that is uncommon. I don't, I really don't. I think that there's a lot of people who have been through trauma in their lives.

Kelli (40:50.739)
Yeah.

Kelli (40:58.355)
Right.

Wendy (41:06.786)
who just bury it or it comes out with anger or comes out with alcoholism or drug addiction or whatever it is. Like I think that people need to just go seek help, go see a mental health professional, a doctor, go to therapy if you need to, take medication if you need to. It doesn't mean you're weak. It just means you're making your life better. Life is too short to not be happy.

Kelli (41:10.184)
Sure.

Kelli (41:36.244)
All right.

Wendy (41:36.718)
That's what I want people to take away from this. Like, go be happy. Go be happy.

Kelli (41:43.218)
Yeah, and if that's going to help you, then why not?

Wendy (41:47.028)
as I have another sip of my espresso martini because you know what? Tonight that's making me happy because I spent all day in court for work and it was not a good day. It's okay, it's okay, it's okay. And listen, I've been to therapy, I'm not in therapy right now, but I've been to therapy and I've used therapists and it's okay, it's okay. It doesn't mean you're weak, it just means you're smart, that's all. Okay.

Kelli (41:52.264)
That's what makes you happy tonight.

Kelli (41:57.768)
Right. Right.

Kelli (42:05.758)
Yeah, me too. Yep.

Kelli (42:12.83)
Right, I need to go back.

Wendy (42:15.766)
It's not a bad thing, go back.

Kelli (42:17.298)
No, I know, I just need to find one. It's not easy to find one, by the way. It's not easy to find one.

Wendy (42:20.982)
It's not easy to find one. It's not easy to find one. And if you go to therapy and you don't click with your therapist, don't give up. Go find another therapist. You need to click with your therapist. You need to be comfortable. You need to vibe with your therapist. You need to trust your therapist. Just because one doesn't work doesn't mean another one won't work. It's just like medication. Just because one medicine doesn't work doesn't mean there's another one out there that won't work.

Kelli (42:30.642)
Right, right, that's a big thing, yeah.

Kelli (42:36.201)
Yeah.

Kelli (42:43.666)
Right. Right.

Wendy (42:50.518)
Life is like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get. The words of Forrest Gump. The words of Forrest Gump.

Kelli (42:53.94)
That's right. You gotta just keep eating the chocolate until you get one that works.

Alright, that's all.

Wendy (43:06.488)
That's it. Thank you for watching and listening. Bye.

Kelli (43:07.87)
Thank you for listening.

Bye.