Love Hotel: Navigating Relationships and Boundaries

Wendy (00:01.183)
And welcome to We Wine Whenever, I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:03.778)
I'm Kelly.

Lori (00:04.802)
And I'm Lori.

Wendy (00:06.803)
We are talking about Love Hotel, season number one, episode number four, Wreck-It Ralph. Totally appropriate name. Yep. We start out with the man all eating breakfast, and they're talking about what Ashley had said the night before, that she was kind of interested in Ralph and the look on Ralph's face.

Lori (00:15.233)
that's good.

Kelli (00:16.24)
Totally appropriate.

Lori (00:18.264)
Yeah.

Kelli (00:33.636)
What an ego boost for this guy, huh?

Wendy (00:35.769)
Yeah. Yeah.

Lori (00:36.718)
Come on, he's feeling himself. He's feeling himself. yeah. Feathers roll, flying on the tail.

Kelli (00:38.016)
Holy shit. Yeah, totally feeling himself. Chest was out, puffed out.

Wendy (00:44.433)
Yep, definitely was.

He was peacocking it. Luanne is the first one to enter, the first of the women to enter the room. And she goes right up to Earl and she asks like, what, you know, what was said to Shannon that you got her so upset because she wanted to protect Shannon. I think, I think it's interesting with Luanne. Like she says she wants to protect Shannon, but then in the little confessional, she thanks her for giving the key to James because she's really vibing with James and.

Kelli (00:49.52)
Totally peacocking. Totally.

Lori (00:50.712)
You speak, I can't.

Kelli (01:15.173)
Yeah.

Wendy (01:18.547)
Like Shannon being Shannon's like, if Luanne wants them, I'm never going to get them. know I mean? know, Earl says it was just a little blip and Luanne's like, well, it was a serious blip.

Kelli (01:19.012)
Yeah.

Lori (01:25.699)
Yeah.

Kelli (01:26.959)
Yeah.

Kelli (01:33.402)
bad blip. Well, she said it was a bad blip, because I have my own feelings about this. We'll get to it.

Wendy (01:38.897)
Okay. Ashley goes up to Jason and wants to talk to him about last night.

And she starts telling him that one of the reasons that her relationship didn't work, her last relationship was because of the whole throuple situation. Because Jason had mentioned that that's how he met his last girlfriend is that they were together. And...

Kelli (02:06.032)
know, Ashley and Michael were not in a throuple. Ashley and Michael were a married couple who let other people into their bedroom. And they had certain rules. But that's not a throuple. Like this guy was actually in a relationship with two women. That's a throuple. It wasn't like they had a revolving door of strangers who would come in and out of their bedroom.

Wendy (02:16.211)
Yeah, no, I know.

Wendy (02:25.427)
Right.

Wendy (02:29.905)
No, I agree, but I think it just for her, you know, she felt like that was a problem and that maybe that's not something she wants to do in her next relationship. She doesn't want to bring another person. She wants to have, she wants to feel special and she wants to be intimate with just one person that she wants to be their center of attention.

Kelli (02:39.514)
Yeah.

Kelli (02:46.382)
Yeah.

But do you think he was like indicating that he was interested in doing that again?

Wendy (02:56.719)
No, it just, it was just.

Lori (02:56.78)
right, that he was down for.

Kelli (02:58.98)
Just the fact that he'd done it once before.

Wendy (03:01.587)
Listen, she said that she didn't judge him and she thanked him for being honest with her. And I think, you know, she wasn't judging him. She just was thinking in her head, like, you know, the same thing she was thinking about while I is that, listen, first of all, these men have never had children and they don't know what I've experienced. You know, I did have a bad experience with my last marriage.

because we did bring other people into it. Maybe that's not how I want to start a new relationship. I just think she's really thinking, to be quite honest with you. I don't think she's, I don't think that she is just going after what her heart says. I think she's trying to use her head.

Kelli (03:35.269)
Yeah.

Kelli (03:43.876)
Yeah, I didn't think she was judging him. I just thought interesting she'd be triggered by that just because he said he had that experience. Because I feel like there was two, I think that their two experiences were totally different from each other.

Lori (03:44.461)
except for.

Wendy (03:51.825)
think she was triggered by it.

Wendy (03:57.895)
No, I agree. I agree.

Lori (03:59.502)
I think what Wendy's saying is true except for I think she's I think she's thinking with her coochie when it comes to Ralph. Definitely her coochie definitely

Kelli (04:09.73)
Sure.

For sure, but mine would be going after Wale or Jason, not Ralph. I think.

Lori (04:17.304)
Definitely pick Drow.

Wendy (04:19.677)
Yeah. Yeah. mean, listen, then Earl goes to Shannon's room to talk and he apologized for what happened. Shannon says that there was other people at the table that were listening and, you know, she was kind of embarrassed. don't, you she doesn't like to have those conversations in public. He was admitting the same thing. Like, you know, he said he could have

Kelli (04:38.03)
Now do you guys think that he needed to apologize to her?

Lori (04:42.766)
No, I didn't.

Kelli (04:44.718)
And do you think that anybody would have been talking about it? He was on the other side of the table. He was on the very end. Her reaction is what prompted people to start talking about it because she's the one who got loud.

Wendy (04:59.635)
I think he needed to apologize because he's the one who's trying to win someone's heart. I think for that reason alone, I think for that reason alone is why, right, is why he, I Shannon's not going anywhere. So if he wants to stay and he wants to try and win Shannon's heart, then he needs to go apologize, because that's how it works, right? You know, he said that he handled it poorly and he hopes that they can get past it.

Kelli (05:03.938)
Right, I agree with you. And to stay on the show, he needed to apologize. Right.

Kelli (05:17.166)
Yeah, no, that is true.

Lori (05:17.954)
Right.

Wendy (05:26.527)
And she kind of admits it. Like right now she's rethinking everything. Which, you know what, I think that's good. I mean, at this point, this is all she knew, right? From Love Hotel?

Kelli (05:33.988)
I think she's rethinking everything because Lou Anne said that he's not sophisticated enough for her. I think that's what got in Shannon's head.

Lori (05:39.534)
Possibly.

Wendy (05:43.753)
there's more than one thing too.

Lori (05:44.393)
It's yeah, it's just so much to do about vegetables. Just don't like how this is. So much to do about vegetables.

Wendy (05:49.555)
Ha

Kelli (05:50.298)
I mean, all this over vegetables. Her reaction was over the top to him saying, I don't eat vegetables. There's a lot of people out there who do not eat vegetables. Exactly. And we have never accosted you out of dinner because you didn't want to eat your vegetables.

Lori (06:01.432)
But I can understand.

Wendy (06:02.163)
one of them.

Lori (06:07.316)
No. Yeah, no. I mean, you can be like...

Kelli (06:11.253)
She looked at him like he was, you know, I don't even know.

Lori (06:16.174)
Evil incarnate. Yeah, you can just be like, wow, dude, you don't eat vegetables. That's I mean, you can be shocked by it. You can be, you know, but but it's not it's not an evil thing. It's not like he's not a total asshole because he doesn't eat vegetables. Like, OK, do good for you. You're a grown ass man. You don't eat your vegetables. Don't you vegetables? I'm going to munch on my carrots.

Kelli (06:31.64)
Exactly.

Kelli (06:37.325)
And he just said it very matter of fact. Yeah, he just said it matter of fact, like, I don't eat vegetables. He wasn't like, I don't eat vegetables. That's not how he said it.

Wendy (06:44.691)
Right. No, that is not how we said it. That's not how we said it.

Lori (06:46.19)
No, no, like I said, much ado over vegetables. As Shanna just needs to, she just needs to chill the fuck out.

Wendy (06:52.35)
Yeah.

Kelli (06:52.4)
Unbelievable.

Wendy (06:56.231)
I agree. Then Joel comes out and he asks how the date was under the stars. Shannon says it wasn't great. And then Giselle chimes in and says it was not good last night. She wanted to tell Earl to leave. Like she all of a sudden got very protective. But you know, wasn't her place to because she didn't give him the key. was like, whoa, Giselle, really didn't. I didn't see that coming from her. I really didn't. Yeah.

Kelli (06:56.56)
Sure, for sure.

Kelli (07:20.506)
Me neither, because I think it's ridiculous. You're to tell the man to leave because he doesn't like vegetables. I mean, it's insane.

Wendy (07:25.247)
I think it was more because I don't even I think it was more because Shannon was crying and It was yeah, it was because of Shannon's right it was because of Shannon's reaction, right?

Kelli (07:32.44)
It was because of Shannon's reaction to the whole thing, which again, I think was over the top.

Yeah, I'm I am definitely seeing a different side of Shannon on this show than we see on OC

Lori (07:39.448)
Now, I don't-

Lori (07:44.366)
Well, that's what I was gonna ask you. That's what I was gonna ask you guys. Because I don't watch that show, so I don't know. That's why I wanna ask you guys. Is this par for the course? she drama queen-esque? She just seemed like a little...

Wendy (07:44.604)
I think it's exact same Shannon. think she overreacts to everything. no, I think it's the same Shannon we've always seen.

Kelli (08:00.494)
No. You think she is?

Wendy (08:01.609)
think she is. I think this is the same Shannon. I think everything about her is the same. She's quirky. She likes things a particular way. I don't know. I just think this is the same Shannon.

Kelli (08:09.132)
Yeah, for sure.

Lori (08:17.016)
She just seems like somebody who gets her panties twisted quickly.

Wendy (08:21.821)
Over stupid shit. Over stupid shit.

Kelli (08:22.49)
feel like she's, and you know what, this is even silly for me to say, I feel like she's so judgmental on this show, because there's something else in my notes, we'll get there, but I guess you're on a dating show, you're trying to find somebody, so maybe you should be judged, so maybe she should be judgmental. Again, I think her reaction was over the tops of the vegetables, but I'm starting to feel differently about Shannon than I did with her on OC, but she also just had a

Lori (08:23.884)
Yeah, it was just...

Kelli (08:52.736)
amazing redemption season on OC coming off that DUI. She did all the right things. So I was just a huge fan of Shannon on the last season of OC.

Lori (09:04.022)
Maybe fresh onion and vegetables are a big meal.

Wendy (09:04.4)
And she stood up to Tamra.

Kelli (09:08.75)
Vegetables are clearly very important to Shannon. Lemons and vegetables.

Lori (09:08.891)
I don't

Wendy (09:13.375)
I think after listening to her talk to Earl, it's more of the things that were wrong in her old relationships. She felt that she would get ghosted by these people, they'd stop talking to her, they'd be mad at her. There was not an open line of communication. They were more in a power position. In every other relationship she's had, she's never been the one in the power position.

Kelli (09:21.935)
Yes.

Kelli (09:35.941)
Yeah.

Kelli (09:41.093)
Right.

Wendy (09:41.553)
And I think that now she's at a point where, listen, I'm on Love Hotel. I'm not gonna do this again. I'm not gonna be the one who's bending over backwards to make, if I don't like something, I'm gonna say it. Like that's just how she is. You know how she gets like with her little, right? And she should be doing that. Like I think she's doing fine. That's my opinion.

Kelli (09:53.806)
Yeah, like she's in the decision-making seat. Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (10:04.265)
So then Joel tells them that they're each gonna do an excursion and they're gonna get to do a one-on-one date for their excursion. And Luanne starts out and she asks out James. Ashley asks out Wale. Giselle asks out Phil. And Shannon asks out Adam because she's not been on a date with anyone except for Earl. And you could see Earl was crushed, but I think she made the right choice.

Kelli (10:30.128)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (10:33.893)
I do too.

Wendy (10:34.975)
I think she made the right choice.

Lori (10:35.522)
Yeah, absolutely. She needs to get out there.

Kelli (10:37.124)
Even if that didn't happen at dinner the night prior, she should have chosen somebody else just to kind of see what happens.

Wendy (10:40.894)
Yeah.

Lori (10:44.27)
Sure.

Wendy (10:44.371)
Yeah, that's why she's there.

Kelli (10:46.532)
Yes. Did you guys notice Jay's Hot Dad Summer T-shirt? Jay was wearing a Hot Dad Summer T-shirt. So awesome. I think we should all get those for our husbands. It was so funny.

Lori (10:46.872)
Read the love, baby.

Wendy (10:49.018)
Absolutely.

Wendy (10:53.267)
Who's? I did not notice that. That's so funny.

Lori (10:56.428)
No, I didn't notice that.

Wendy (11:00.991)
No, you're not getting one for Jamie. I'm sure Eric would wear it.

Lori (11:02.273)
now.

Lori (11:07.051)
No.

Kelli (11:07.212)
No, huh? He's not gonna have a hot dad summer?

Lori (11:11.304)
No. error could work. Yeah, okay. Error.

Kelli (11:12.61)
Eric would wear the shit out of that shirt. yes.

Wendy (11:17.759)
I don't know if Bill would wear it be honest with you. I don't know. yeah, well that is very true. He does listen.

Kelli (11:21.176)
If you told him to, he would wear it.

Kelli (11:26.532)
He would. Yes, he does. Especially about clothing.

Wendy (11:31.497)
So they go to Wild Canyon Park and Shannon and Adam are camel riding.

Kelli (11:39.598)
I love Luanne's tips for her.

Lori (11:40.141)
do that.

Wendy (11:42.227)
Yeah, I did too. Cause she's had... Yes. She almost died. Yes. Yeah. That was scary. I would ride a camel too.

Kelli (11:43.536)
Did you see the flashback of Luan on the camel? That was on one of the episodes of Old Roni. That was scary.

Lori (11:46.294)
huh.

Lori (11:53.752)
She wrote it well. She wrote it well.

Wendy (11:57.427)
Yeah.

Kelli (11:57.676)
I would ride a camel. would go in the ATV, I would ride a camel. I would not have done what Ashley and Wale did. That zip line. No, they did the swing bungee.

Lori (12:07.948)
Zip line thing. yeah, yeah, no. Yeah, no.

Wendy (12:10.611)
Yeah, they did the swing bungee. James and Luanne did the zip lining. And Phil and Giselle did the four wheel ATVs. I thought the giant swing thing looked kind of cool, to be honest with you.

Kelli (12:14.234)
Yeah.

Kelli (12:18.352)
Yeah.

Kelli (12:24.538)
I thought it looked great, I just don't have the balls to do it.

Wendy (12:27.679)
And I think I would, honestly, I think I would do all of them. I would, I would, I would try all of them. Why not? The four guys that stayed back were Ralph, Jay, and Jason. And they did their like own little confessional. It was a little awkward though. I thought. Adam and Shannon are talking about last night at the table that I love this about Shannon that she had noticed that three people at the table put their napkins on their laps.

Lori (12:41.006)
Yeah, it was awkward.

Kelli (12:41.146)
You had the three of them sitting on the couch? Yeah.

Lori (12:55.102)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (12:55.357)
and one of them was her, the other one was Luanne, and Adam was the third person. And that tells you a lot about Shannon, right there. That tells you a lot. If it's a cloth napkin, 100%. If it's a paper napkin, I do not put a paper napkin on my lap. I'm sorry, I just don't. You do? I just don't, because it always falls on the floor and it's stupid. I'm like, why am putting a paper napkin? Why is it on the floor and then I have no napkin?

Kelli (13:02.596)
Yep. I do that. Do you guys do that?

Lori (13:05.81)
yeah, that's something I would have noticed.

Kelli (13:13.904)
Okay, I think I do it for both.

Kelli (13:19.256)
It does, that's true. It's very flimsy, the wind picks it up, that is true. Exactly, then you're screwed and you gotta ask for another one.

Lori (13:21.217)
It does work,

Wendy (13:25.907)
And then there's no napkin. Exactly. I don't know that I would have noticed it though, to be quite honest with you. I don't think I would have noticed it. You think you would have, Laura?

Kelli (13:35.94)
I wouldn't have noticed it.

Lori (13:38.764)
Yeah, I think I would have noticed that actually, yes.

Wendy (13:41.477)
Okay. But I think that that was like a good indicator for what Shannon's looking for, right? James asks Luanne like what she's looking for and she said someone who's kind. I was like, kind? All right. Then James tells this really weird story. He says it's a true story.

Kelli (14:03.184)
Well, because she said she's looking for someone with a big pee pee. And Tess was watching this with me and I looked at her, I said, you know what she's talking about, right? She's like, no, I said private plane. And then, then Luanne said it. I think that's what prompted him to tell the weird story. But yes, go ahead, because it was weird.

Wendy (14:10.29)
Okay.

Wendy (14:20.799)
Okay, so yeah, he said, I have this story to tell you and it's a true story that him and his father were in Italy and his father went to the men's room and there was this guy in there and he came out of the men's room and he tells his son that the guy said to him, you have the arm of a baby. And the woman said, does that mean it's hereditary? And he said, well, maybe there's something we can explore. I was like, what?

Lori (14:20.886)
It was weird. It was cringy.

Kelli (14:49.87)
Yeah, well, I think they did that night, by the way.

Lori (14:50.103)
Yeah.

Wendy (14:51.923)
Well, she was not even put off by that at all. I mean...

Kelli (14:55.408)
It's Luann! Luann's like, yes. Did you watch Watch What Happens Live?

Lori (14:56.334)
That's the way.

Wendy (15:02.631)
I didn't finish, no, I just got like a little bit of it.

Kelli (15:04.634)
I'll just tell you this real quick because it's funny and it's appropriate. Ashley said that she feels like her, Shannon, Giselle, and Luann are the girls from Sex and the City. She's Carrie, Shannon is obviously Charlotte, Giselle is Miranda, and Luann is Samantha. Absolutely. Yep. So funny.

Lori (15:16.22)
yeah, that was funny, I saw that.

Wendy (15:19.795)
Yes.

Lori (15:23.87)
Samantha totally, totally Samantha.

Wendy (15:24.102)
I agree with that.

Yes, yes. It was, mean, listen, James says he wants to be with someone who has children and then she asks him how many children he has and he says four. Then we see Giselle and Phil, they're talking and he's talking, she's saying how she's like an empty nester and he's saying that he is kind of also, but his 20 year old son is still there with him right now. And.

That's one of the reasons that he really didn't do too much dating is because his focus was his kids, you know, which I admire that. Yeah.

Kelli (16:04.644)
Yeah, we got it. Not that we're in a position to date, but we would have put our kids first had we were.

Lori (16:04.864)
Absolutely. Now I want to ask you guys.

Wendy (16:10.162)
Yeah.

Lori (16:10.798)
Do you see them as a couple?

Wendy (16:13.982)
I do.

Kelli (16:14.124)
No, think Giselle sees dollar signs.

Lori (16:15.042)
You do? Yeah!

Wendy (16:16.681)
Well, yeah, because I think that that's what Gisele's

Kelli (16:20.378)
For sure. She's looking for a house in Bel Air. I don't see them together at all. I think he's a good catch. I think he's a handsome guy, but...

Lori (16:26.008)
Yeah, I don't.

Just, yeah, just to me, they just, yeah, they just don't, to me, they don't match. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think he's bad enough for her.

Wendy (16:29.343)
I think he's sophisticated.

Kelli (16:30.945)
I think he's too sophisticated and

I think Giselle likes a bad boy.

Wendy (16:37.725)
Yeah, no, I agree. No, I agree with that.

Kelli (16:40.28)
Right, he's not bad enough for her.

Not that she doesn't deserve someone sophisticated. That's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying she needs somebody with a little bit of an edge and he doesn't seem like he's got any edge. He's all smoothed out.

Lori (16:50.422)
And he didn't know he did. He has no edge. It's a round ball.

The awesome radar.

Wendy (16:58.439)
Yeah, no, I totally agree with that. I agree with that.

Ashley thinks that her and Wally needed time together. So I guess this is after they get, no, it's not after they get back. It must be because she says to him, yeah, yeah, cause then she says to him that she has not kissed anyone else here. And he gave her a note, another note, which was nice.

Kelli (17:16.9)
Well, yeah, because they're all sitting, okay, because then they were all sitting together talking about their dates.

Wendy (17:34.883)
And she likes that he's continuing to engage with her. And then they all go back and they're talking. And Luanne's really liking James. Ashley admits to them that she gave Wale some tongue today when they were kissing. And Shannon says that she likes Adam, but she thinks he's young. I don't even remember how old is Adam. I didn't think he was that young. He's gotta be in his 50s.

Lori (18:01.932)
Yeah, I'm not sure.

Kelli (18:01.936)
He can't be much younger than her. I mean, she's 60. Is she the oldest one there? Yeah, right, yeah.

Wendy (18:05.662)
Right?

Lori (18:06.594)
Yeah, thanks.

Wendy (18:09.543)
Yeah, Shannon is the oldest, yeah. Giselle says that Phil has an RR in his garage. Rolls Royce, I guess, not Range Rover, Rolls Royce. Then Ralph goes up to Ashley and says, you know, he wants to touch base with her about that comment that she made the night before. And they sit down and Ashley said, well, I meant when I said, and Ralph said, well,

Lori (18:10.69)
think so, yeah.

Wendy (18:38.687)
I never thought that this was even a possibility. And he said, if it's an option, I would like to pursue it. And Ashley said, well, that Gisele is her good friend. And then who comes up? Somebody comes up.

Kelli (18:55.248)
I think it's Adam. Wait, is it Adam?

Wendy (19:00.127)
Let me see.

Wendy (19:06.683)
Adam. Adam.

Kelli (19:07.48)
Yeah, yeah, because he's the one that winds up. Yeah, he tells somebody about the kiss.

Wendy (19:11.761)
So yeah, so Adam, Adam comes up and she kind of excuses herself and says that she's gonna, you know, she's gonna go to bed or she's gonna go upstairs. I don't know what she said, but then she starts to walk away and she's like, but I really like this guy and maybe I don't have a lot of time and maybe I should go back. And she goes back and they start making out.

Kelli (19:42.0)
So she said on Watch What Happens Live that when she started walking away, it hit her that Joel could come out in five minutes and say, okay, elimination round, who do you want to stay? And she was like, if I didn't go back and explore that, I would have wondered.

Wendy (19:53.182)
Right.

Lori (19:53.261)
Right.

Wendy (20:01.086)
Right.

Lori (20:01.934)
But this is my question to you guys. Like I know you're on a TV show. I know it's a dating game, blah, blah, blah. But I don't know. Like I want to just like suck face at the bar. I don't know. I don't know. I guess that's what you're supposed to be doing because it's a TV show.

Kelli (20:19.908)
think there's certain housewives who will do it and certain housewives who won't. And Ashley's the housewife that will do it.

Lori (20:24.716)
Yeah, that will do it. I don't know.

Wendy (20:27.668)
definitely. So is Luan.

Kelli (20:30.604)
and Luanne. I don't know if we'll see Giselle and Shannon doing that. I mean, we did see Shannon kiss Earl, but it wasn't like a full on, I mean, it was like, I don't necessarily want to see it, you know, but if it has to be there, fine. But Ashley's the one that will do it for sure.

Lori (20:31.544)
Yeah.

Lori (20:37.686)
Right. wasn't a full on.

Lori (20:44.31)
Yeah. Right. Right.

Wendy (20:47.134)
Yeah.

Lori (20:52.27)
I don't know, just not, hence why I'm not a housewife sucking face at the bar on TV. It's not my gig. Yeah.

Wendy (20:52.593)
Yeah, I agree. Ashley's the one that would do it.

Kelli (20:58.448)
You don't want a kiss on camera? I hear you.

Wendy (21:06.463)
Yeah, Ashley said she had to go to shower. That's what she said. So Shannon's talking to Adam and she's...

Kelli (21:12.034)
my God, I gotta tell you real quick, I'm sorry. so Tess was watching this with me and we see Ashley go back and Tess goes, come on man, she's not gonna kiss him. He's wearing earring aids for crying out loud.

Lori (21:25.857)
I never even noticed.

Wendy (21:26.047)
Ugh.

Kelli (21:28.622)
I don't know if you really was.

Wendy (21:30.79)
Yeah, I don't think he was.

Lori (21:30.874)
maybe she just meant his age. I was going to say, I didn't notice any hearing aids.

Kelli (21:34.692)
He's so old. He's so much older than her.

Wendy (21:36.037)
so old.

Wendy (21:41.225)
But, I mean, she doesn't know about Michael.

Kelli (21:41.294)
I'm have to look back. Not that there's anything wrong with wearing hearing aids, people, but she just meant he was so old.

Lori (21:44.167)
No, not that there's anything wrong with their hair. Right.

Wendy (21:47.507)
He's way better looking than Michael. I think Michael was just as old, wasn't he?

Kelli (21:51.792)
He's way better looking than Michael and they put a side by side on Watch What Happens Live, by the way.

Wendy (21:54.621)
I know.

Lori (21:57.565)
I saw that. I was like, ooh.

Wendy (21:58.143)
But Giselle said that Michael had a lot more money.

Kelli (22:03.51)
Yes. So maybe they did the side by side on this show. Maybe I'm wrong. Yes. She did say that Giselle.

Lori (22:04.15)
Yes.

Wendy (22:04.383)
Right?

Yeah, I think they did. I think they did.

Yeah, she said Michael had a lot more money.

Lori (22:19.01)
I guess it's all about the flow with Giselle.

Wendy (22:19.699)
Let's see. Yeah.

Kelli (22:24.08)
We're learning.

Lori (22:25.462)
Yeah, I know, watch what happens live. What do call it? Ashley also said that she would consider a lavender husband.

Wendy (22:35.564)
she did?

Lori (22:36.462)
Like a gay husband and she was so she was said Andy, you know, just thinking about you. So was like, okay.

Kelli (22:36.848)
What is that?

Wendy (22:38.376)
A gay husband.

Kelli (22:40.588)
Kelli (22:45.84)
Cha-ching. Cha-ching if you have Andy as your lavender husband.

Wendy (22:51.743)
Ashley admits to Giselle that she kissed Ralph in their confessional and Giselle asked how it was and she said it was very good.

We see Adam and James.

Lori (23:02.734)
So what do you think? Do you think Giselle is still interested in him, Ralph? You think so? Okay. That's curious. Okay.

Kelli (23:08.014)
Yeah, I do.

Wendy (23:10.943)
Yes, I think she's more interested in Phil. think she's, I mean, even when Luann heard that Ashley, when Ashley told Luann that she kissed and Luann's like, well, mean, Ralph said no to me for Giselle. like, so like, you know.

Kelli (23:11.972)
think she's a little more interested in Phil now.

Lori (23:18.508)
Okay.

Kelli (23:29.754)
Well yeah, she did say that. Yeah.

Lori (23:30.743)
Right, right.

Kelli (23:35.994)
I don't think any of them are gonna be after Ralph anymore because of Ashley. And they're all looking for the same thing, right? They're all looking to be number one. And he's got his feathers up and feeling himself and they're not gonna like that.

Wendy (23:40.787)
of Ashley.

Wendy (23:52.137)
Yeah.

Wendy (23:56.583)
No, I agree.

Kelli (23:58.03)
I mean it was weird when he goes to the room.

Well, we'll get there.

Wendy (24:03.401)
Well, Ashley in her confessional, when she is talking to Luanne, she's like, I don't know how to navigate this and be respectful. And that's when Luanne said that she was turned down and maybe that he's going to be the next Harry Dubin, which. So I don't, Laurie, you probably didn't know this, but in New York City, Harry Dubin was dated Aviva Drescher, dated. Right.

Kelli (24:17.551)
my god, that was the best.

Lori (24:18.112)
I dunno.

Kelli (24:29.092)
Married to her. They went through the whole thing. He married Aviva. He proposed to Sonia. He slept with Luan and he made out with Ramona. I mean, the only one he didn't hit was Bethany.

Lori (24:31.946)
Yeah, they went, yeah, I saw that on the show.

Wendy (24:32.925)
Yes.

Yes.

Lori (24:38.605)
Yeah, yeah.

Wendy (24:38.675)
Yes. Exactly. So I thought that was hysterical. Ashley's still admitting that she still needs to wait and see what she feels for Ralph. You know, was just a kiss at this point. She also said she still really likes Wale. And then all of a sudden Ralph knocks on the door while she's having this conversation. I'm like...

Kelli (24:48.602)
So funny.

Kelli (25:06.254)
Now whose room were they in? Do you remember?

Wendy (25:09.279)
don't know if it was Ashley's room or Louann's. Like, we don't, like...

Kelli (25:12.516)
Giselle. It was Ashley and Giselle. So I don't know whose room he went to.

Wendy (25:17.319)
right, right, was Ashley and Gisele. I don't know if it was Gisele's or Ashley's.

Lori (25:19.726)
It would be funny if it was Giselle.

Kelli (25:23.482)
Well, that's what I'm wondering. Like, I wanna know whose room did he go to? Who was he going to talk to? He was going to talk to someone and he didn't know the two of them were in there unless the producer said they're both in there. So here's your moment. Yeah, that's probably exactly what happened. All right, well, we cracked that case wide.

Wendy (25:23.997)
Lori (25:29.55)
All right,

Well, it is a produced show, so who knows?

Wendy (25:33.982)
Yeah.

I'm sure that's what happened.

Wendy (25:42.367)
Um, and Ralph admits that he did tell Wale what happened with Ashley, which I thought, listen, that's a standup thing to do. I mean, listen, he's going to find out everyone's talking about it. Right. Might as well be the standup guy, right?

Kelli (25:47.811)
Yeah.

Kelli (25:54.148)
Yeah, it's on camera.

Lori (25:54.21)
Right, right.

Lori (25:58.914)
Wale definitely was not digging the fact that she kissed him and then kissed Ralph. He just thought that lacked decorum.

Wendy (26:08.851)
That was his word, decorum. I agree with him, to be quite honest with you. I have to agree with him. know, she was wearing the same clothes, she didn't brush her teeth, then she kissed Ralph. Like, she had just kissed him. I mean, he... Ooh. I mean, he said right to her face, like, maybe you could have done it the next day. Like, you had to do it, like...

Lori (26:09.986)
That was his word.

Kelli (26:23.13)
brush in the teeth comment was like...

Lori (26:26.347)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (26:34.202)
That's what I was thinking, only because she made that comment to him earlier in the day on their date, I haven't kissed anyone else here. And then that night, I mean, she didn't know what was gonna happen, but yeah, like, couldn't it have waited? But like she said, she wanted to seize the moment because she didn't know what was coming the next day.

Lori (26:34.52)
Right.

Wendy (26:39.123)
Yeah. Right.

Lori (26:41.751)
Right.

Wendy (26:43.775)
Yeah.

Wendy (26:47.624)
Yeah.

Wendy (26:52.626)
Right.

Well, then Joel comes out and he says tomorrow there'll be another elimination. So tonight they can just, you know, spend time with whoever they want.

Lori (27:04.354)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (27:06.055)
And then Earl walks up to Shannon and asks her to take a walk and she's like, nope, Adam and I are going to go take a walk.

Kelli (27:12.624)
Yeah, she's ghosting him now.

Wendy (27:14.225)
You could see his face, he was so defeated.

Kelli (27:18.318)
Yeah, for sure. And then she brought Adam to her room and Luann brought James back to her room. And then Ralph and Ashley were kissing again.

Wendy (27:24.681)
Yep.

Yes, they were.

Lori (27:28.694)
yeah.

Wendy (27:31.283)
Yes, they were.

Kelli (27:32.29)
I think James and Luanne hit it that night.

Wendy (27:35.336)
You do?

Lori (27:37.588)
I would think so. Yeah, I would think

Kelli (27:37.722)
Sure do. Maybe not, maybe not, because even on Ultimate Girls Trip, she waited until the last night to hit it with the chef. So maybe not.

Wendy (27:39.409)
What about you, Zell and Phil?

Wendy (27:45.481)
That's right, did wait. She met, yeah, she did wait till last night. What about Giselle and Phil? I mean, they haven't even kissed yet.

Lori (27:47.704)
Maybe not.

Kelli (27:49.498)
Yeah.

Kelli (27:55.343)
Mm-mm.

Lori (27:56.67)
That's why I like just don't, I'm not feeling like a vibe between them.

Kelli (28:03.642)
feel like, listen, I kissed Eric, well, I don't even wanna tell you about our first date, because we laugh about it now. I mean, Eric and I definitely kissed on the first date. We did not have sex. That's not what I'm trying to indicate here. But.

Wendy (28:19.316)
You don't have to tell us this. You're not obligated.

Kelli (28:21.744)
I'm just saying I feel like all of them who went on those individual dates that day They all should have kissed you're on a date You should have kissed you should have kissed not only are you on a first date, but you're on a compressed schedule So she asked you out on a date and you're competing with other guys kiss her Find a moment and kiss her

Lori (28:31.223)
Right.

Lori (28:38.093)
Yes.

Lori (28:44.78)
Yeah, like, who was it that was with Shannon?

Wendy (28:50.887)
Adam.

Lori (28:51.699)
Adam, like, what are you doing? What are you doing?

Kelli (28:51.716)
Yeah, he didn't kiss her. Yeah. Even when she brought him back to her room, which I don't think she was looking to do anything, because that's not Shannon, but when he was leaving, he kissed her on the cheek.

Wendy (28:56.456)
Right.

Lori (28:58.254)
Yeah, no, but when they were sitting there, you could just tell she wanted him to kiss her. Like, what are you doing? Bust the move.

Kelli (29:10.244)
That's what I'm saying, you're on a date. All four of those guys should have laid one on them on those dates.

Wendy (29:10.505)
Yeah.

Wendy (29:18.385)
I agree. I definitely agree with that. mean, even when Adam and Shannon and Luanne were all like walking in the same direction, when Adam and Shannon were going back to their room and Luanne came up and Adam was between them and he said, I could take a little bit of each one of you and you'd make the perfect woman.

Lori (29:35.406)
Yeah, was a little weird. Yeah, a little weird.

Kelli (29:36.208)
That was a little fucked up, wasn't it?

Wendy (29:38.085)
my, that was horrible. And it was so nonchalant, but then Shannon referenced it after he didn't kiss her. She's like, well, maybe I'm not enough of a woman for him like Loran, but still. Yeah, yeah.

Kelli (29:50.576)
I how do you not feel that way when somebody just made that comment? Like, I don't want you just for you, I want half for you and half for her. Basically.

Wendy (29:58.673)
Right.

Wendy (30:02.173)
Yeah. Yeah. I mean...

Lori (30:03.244)
And Shannon definitely is not one to just take controlled situation. Like she would never like make the move. Cause I'm sitting there and watching the show going like, all right, so just bust over there, Shannon. Like, what are you doing? No, she doesn't know. She doesn't seem to be her style.

Wendy (30:08.179)
Make a move.

Kelli (30:09.668)
No.

Wendy (30:18.351)
No, she wouldn't do that. No.

Kelli (30:18.903)
No, not her style.

Wendy (30:23.343)
After that though, she does say maybe it's time to move on from both. And I hope she sticks to that. I hope she sticks to that. Then we see Ashley and Ralph are kissing again. James is playing the guitar and singing to Luann. What were your thoughts about that? Yeah, it's not so good.

Lori (30:37.294)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (30:43.118)
He sings as good as her. It's not great.

Lori (30:48.3)
can equally sing together.

Kelli (30:49.328)
I mean, I wonder if he's co-starring in her cabaret show right now. No, she's not sharing the stage with anybody, we know that.

Wendy (30:49.712)
you

No. No. No.

Lori (30:53.324)
Yes, yes, yes, yes, no, no, no, no, no, No, not great, no, no. I mean, it was cute. It was endearing.

Kelli (30:57.038)
I mean, not great. Not that I am, but he's not.

Wendy (31:02.675)
it was cute. It was different. It was different, right? It made him stand out.

Kelli (31:04.856)
It was cute. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yes.

Lori (31:09.027)
Yeah.

Wendy (31:10.781)
And I'm sure she loved it.

Lori (31:12.553)
I'm sure she loved it.

Kelli (31:12.676)
Yes.

Wendy (31:15.005)
Right, I mean, he was playing to the right audience, let's put it that way. Giselle was hanging out at the pool with Jay. I feel like they're just buddies. I feel like Giselle and Jay are just buddies.

Kelli (31:17.198)
Yes, for sure.

Lori (31:17.236)
Yes, yes, yes.

Lori (31:25.494)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (31:26.256)
But you know, with that, like that could be the start of something. Like they could vibe after that. But again, you gotta make a move, Jay.

Wendy (31:31.091)
I know, but they don't have enough time. Yeah, they could. If he makes it.

Wendy (31:38.429)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (31:39.064)
unless you really do just wanna have a hot dad summer.

Wendy (31:42.269)
Yeah, maybe.

Kelli (31:45.828)
Your call, Jay.

Lori (31:47.032)
That's right.

Wendy (31:47.979)
Shannon asks Earl to come have a talk with her and it's elimination day and she gives him a note and he says he didn't see this coming. He didn't see this coming. We don't know. We don't. what's in the note is that I'm sorry, Earl, this is not going to work out.

Lori (32:01.976)
So what's in the note?

Kelli (32:02.148)
What do you think is... What is in the note? We don't know yet. I know, I don't...

Lori (32:05.513)
I'm asking you to.

Lori (32:13.944)
But I'm sorry, Earl, you don't eat vegetables. I can't have it.

Kelli (32:14.533)
Yeah.

Wendy (32:18.367)
You

Kelli (32:19.816)
The vegetables were a deal breaker.

Wendy (32:21.023)
Listen, she doesn't owe him anything. She doesn't owe him anything. thought it was... Yes. Right. Yeah, so that was pretty much it, right?

Lori (32:22.434)
Yeah, that's what the note's going to say.

Kelli (32:26.404)
Now that was her Dear John letter.

Lori (32:35.81)
It'll be vegetables with a big X throw it and bye bye.

Kelli (32:36.057)
Yeah.

Wendy (32:40.255)
I mean he was actually crying, like he was sad. He was crying.

Kelli (32:42.923)
all this over vegetables.

Lori (32:44.727)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (32:48.784)
You know, you gotta, I think all of them would feel the same way. They don't wanna leave. Whether you're vibing with somebody or not, you're having a good time, you're on a show, the drinks are flowing, you're getting your meals cooked for you, you're on TV. It's upsetting when you have to go. They probably all thought that these women were ridiculous.

Lori (33:00.908)
Yeah! Not a tropical location.

Wendy (33:05.448)
Yeah, I get that.

Kelli (33:12.004)
but they like being on the show.

Lori (33:12.078)
Bye.

Wendy (33:14.099)
That could be. Well, we're on episode four. I don't know how many episodes we're gonna get, so we'll have to wait and see. It doesn't say, I tried to look it up a couple times.

Lori (33:20.814)
Mmm.

Kelli (33:24.77)
So now does it, from the coming, well, this is so funny, because I always say coming attractions also, and Delora said it on Two Tees in the Pod, and Tamara made fun of her. On the previews for the next week, did it look like more, like different guys were coming?

Wendy (33:35.711)
Hahaha.

Yes, different guys. Yes.

Lori (33:39.566)
Yes! Yes!

Kelli (33:42.5)
So I like this premise and I really hope that Bravo continues with this, with different housewives. Or different Bravo Bravo people. Yeah.

Wendy (33:48.755)
I do too. Yeah, different Bravo Labs.

Lori (33:52.792)
Well, they certainly need to pivot from the housewife deal.

Kelli (33:57.186)
I think that's what's happening. However, I mean, they always do this, but I am excited about Rhode Island.

Wendy (34:05.063)
I am too. But we have no idea when it's coming out. We didn't get a date, we didn't get a month, we have nothing. We don't even know what quarter it's coming out. I know, that's annoying to me.

Kelli (34:10.01)
I know they're hyping it up.

So annoying because they're just gonna keep saying how amazing it is because that's what Andy Cohen does. He always says every reunion's amazing. And it's not.

Wendy (34:23.209)
Yeah.

Kelli (34:25.85)
So.

Wendy (34:25.917)
I guess we'll just have to stay tuned.

Lori (34:29.006)
Well, you know, I don't think any of them are amazing,

Kelli (34:29.326)
Yeah.

Kelli (34:35.716)
They haven't been in a while. I mean, I don't even know, if I had to pick a favorite Bravo show right now, I don't even know if I could. Atlanta's up there though. Atlanta is up there.

Wendy (34:47.803)
I like Atlanta.

Kelli (34:50.862)
This is good, Love Hotel's good. I'm enjoying this.

Wendy (34:56.191)
I summer house still. I do still like summer house. I know.

Kelli (35:00.91)
I like it, but I really, really think they need to clean house and bring a younger crowd in.

Wendy (35:05.982)
think they need to change it. I think they need to change it up. I definitely think they need to change it up. I really would love to see a different show in New York City with some of the older Summer House people. I'd like to see Amanda in New York, Sierra in New York during the week. I'd like to see Kyle in New York during the week with his wife doing husband and wife things. I'd like to see not just partying.

on the weekends in the summer in the Hamptons. I'd like to see what's going on in their real lives in New York City.

Kelli (35:39.834)
So I think that that's what Summer House is. Summer House the show is young people partying on the weekends in the Hamptons. The show is not Kyle Cook. So I'm not a fan of his, I want him out of there. I want younger people at Summer House. But what you're saying would be a good segue to get them out of there, new young people in, and then give them something else and let people decide if they wanna watch.

Wendy (35:46.107)
Right. Like we'd have to call it something else.

Right, no, no, it's definitely not, Kyle. It's definitely not.

Wendy (36:06.909)
Right, give them something else. Right. That's what, I mean, I don't necessarily want to see Kyle, but I'd like Amanda. And I feel like if we're going to get Amanda, we should get Kyle too, because they are married. Right?

Kelli (36:10.681)
Yeah, I agree.

Kelli (36:22.478)
Yeah, but I wonder, listen.

It's very in...

Wendy (36:27.805)
I guess we'll wait and see what the big announcement is.

Kelli (36:30.522)
Let's see what the big announcement is. Amanda came on the show as, I know, but you know, she came on the show as Kyle's booty call in the first season.

Wendy (36:32.159)
All right, we're not gonna talk about this. We're gonna do, you and I, we're gonna do a separate show about Summer House and the Valley. Because Lori does not wanna talk. I know she did. I know she did. And she stuck in there, even after all the cheating. After all the

Lori (36:48.386)
Kelly's not feeling it.

Kelli (36:50.638)
I'm not feeling it. Because I really wonder if they would be together if it weren't for the show. I don't think they would.

Lori (36:51.723)
Thank

Lori (36:57.23)
Hmm?

Kelli (36:59.352)
I think she stays with him because of the show.

Wendy (37:02.367)
All right, we'll save it for the next episode. Until next time, thank you for watching and listening. Please give us five star reviews and subscribe, subscribe, subscribe. Bye.

Kelli (37:04.493)
Alright.

Lori (37:06.408)
Alright.

Kelli (37:07.394)
All right.

Kelli (37:14.596)
Bye.