Dorit vs Sutton EXPLODES 💥 | RHOBH S15 E17 Recap

Wendy (00:01.07)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever, I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:04.548)
I'm Kelly.

Lori (00:05.733)
and I'm Lori.

Wendy (00:07.662)
We are talking about Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, season 15, episode number 17, drama on the dance floor. But before we start, no, there wasn't.

Lori (00:17.735)
There was no drama. There was no drama. There was, was, there was a lame dance floor. And I don't understand why. Cause Rachel Zo's like a happening chick. She had a great party. Like, it was sad. It was a sad dance floor.

Kelli (00:37.756)
Well, hopefully they were dancing when the cameras weren't rolling, but you know, people online, I saw something today and I was like, this is so true. Like, love or hate Dorit? You would have had no season without her. Erica had no storyline. Kyle had no storyline. I don't care if her daughter's getting married. We saw like two scenes with her and her girls talking about it. Sutton had no storyline. Without Amanda and Dorit, the least like...

Lori (00:41.923)
I certainly hope so.

Kelli (01:06.382)
housewives this season, you would have had nothing. So love or hate them, they made the season.

Wendy (01:15.63)
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Lori (01:35.279)
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Wendy (01:38.808)
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Lori (01:41.927)
I should yes, okay, I will do that.

Kelli (01:42.78)
Yes, you should.

Wendy (01:43.262)
Lori. Yes. And you know what, Lori? Tell your family to subscribe. Everyone in your family.

Kelli (01:46.546)
Please do that.

Lori (01:51.944)
Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. I'll tell them. Okay. Good. Very good.

Wendy (01:55.02)
OK, thank you. All right, back to Beverly Hills.

Kelli (02:00.826)
Yes. How amazing was Tilly's hair?

Lori (02:05.069)
You know what Jennifer Tilly and Rachel Zoe are rock stars. Absolute rock stars. Rock stars.

Kelli (02:10.854)
Yes, for sure. But like Tilly's hair was like so Studio 54. I mean, Rachel's was too, cause she had like the boho like 70s, but Tilly's hair like the teased and like with the headband and then it poofs out. Amazing.

Lori (02:18.716)
I loved it all.

Lori (02:29.489)
Yes.

Wendy (02:30.04)
Tilly, she is iconic in every way. The reunion looks just came out. We are not gonna talk about them today. We are going to have Reality Runway on with us and we're gonna break it down with Reality Runway. So stay tuned for that. But I will say, and we all agree that Tilly won the contest for best reunion look, I think ever, to be honest with you, ever.

Lori (02:34.628)
Absolutely.

Kelli (02:34.928)
Yeah.

Kelli (02:54.578)
The reunion. She won the reunion. Tilly won the reunion. Yep.

Lori (02:56.576)
Hands down. Hands down. Yes.

Wendy (03:00.108)
Yeah.

Kelli (03:01.926)
This doesn't matter what she says during this reunion. She won it. She wins.

Wendy (03:05.664)
100%, 100%. Love, love, love her. And honestly, I love the fact that she jumped in the pool too. I mean, while we're talking about Tilly.

Kelli (03:15.578)
Absolutely. And I saw on social media that there was somebody there with a very short.

Wendy (03:17.866)
I'd love that you took...

Kelli (03:24.604)
Bob, and it said like TV personality. I didn't know who it was. One of Rachel's friends. She also jumps in the pool at the end, but it wasn't shown on the show. I saw it on social media. Yeah.

Lori (03:35.719)
okay, okay.

Wendy (03:39.404)
Well, Tilly said she jumped in the pool because she thought it would break the tension. Like she thought that Sutton was going to jump in with her. She thought that Sutton, yeah. And I love that she is such a good friend that she would do that. Right? I love that she did that. And Rachel's son jumped in too.

Lori (03:43.717)
Yes, she went to change the energy. Yeah, change the energy.

Lori (03:52.763)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Kelli (03:54.258)
Something wasn't jumping in that pool. Yeah.

Wendy (03:59.982)
Um, so Sutton's talking to Kyle about what she's going to, you know, what she's going to say to Dorit. Um, and she's, you know, she's at the point where she just doesn't have it in her to even go to this party. Like she's invited to the party and, you know, they left Italy on very bad terms. You know, there was no love loss there. Not the Studio 54 party, but the party that, um,

The book cover party. Yeah, Dory's book cover party. I don't blame her, to be honest with you. I really don't blame her.

Kelli (04:41.66)
You don't blame who.

Wendy (04:43.608)
Kyle for not wanting to go. I don't blame her for not wanting to go. You do?

Kelli (04:46.53)
I think it's bullshit that she didn't go. I think it's complete bullshit, absolutely. You're on a show, you're getting paid to do a job, show up to the party, stop. Everybody comes to your parties, Kyle, and not everybody's always on great terms with you, but everybody shows up, right? Even Camille Grammer came and gave you a book on etiquette, which now, looking back, you actually needed. Yeah, she should have went. They all should have been there.

Lori (04:48.976)
Well, I mean...

Lori (05:13.734)
They all should have went. They all should have just sucked it up. This is the thing, you don't have to stay long. It's like a wake. You get dressed up, you show your face, you know what I mean? Pay your respects, bing, bam, boom, shake the hand and you're out. That's all you have to do. That's all you have to do. Just be the bigger person. And I don't understand.

Wendy (05:24.987)
Ha!

Kelli (05:28.338)
Pay your respects.

Kelli (05:39.696)
Because if Kyle went, Sutton would have went and so would Erica. They are now Kyle's soldiers. For sure.

Lori (05:43.204)
Sure, they all would have went. They all would have went.

Wendy (05:47.448)
Well, that's how it came across for sure. That's how it came across. I did totally jump because what happened was is that Sutton was talking to Dorit at the party and all of a sudden Rachel walks up and Dorit stops talking to Sutton and just like turns her back on her and Sutton felt away about that. And I kind of don't blame her. I mean, she was having a conversation with her. I know it was Rachel's party, but

Kelli (06:14.738)
That's what I mean, it was Rachel's party and the host comes over to talk to you. mean, and I think that Rachel purposely went over there and was like, all right, we're done with this. I'm having a party. Right, I want everybody to dance and have a good time. That's the whole purpose of this party.

Lori (06:23.268)
Yeah, cause she could see. Right, I don't want this at my party. Yeah.

Lori (06:31.63)
And you know, yeah, and if you want to look at all the back behavior and what led up to this and that, but if you look at that, just that scene, okay. So Sutton just starts in on telling Duree what to do. You need to, you should apologize to Kyle because you didn't talk to her all week. Well, they're in an argument. It's not your argument. It's Kyle's argument. What do you care what Kyle does or doesn't do?

Wendy (06:32.237)
That's why she went over there too.

Kelli (06:53.896)
right. Right.

Lori (07:00.504)
And Durie just nicely said, look, I have a lot of stuff going on with my kids. You know, I'm not in head space to do it and blah, blah, blah. And Sutton just wanted to have that housewife conversation. And I think, like you said, Rachel saw it and was like, no, we're not doing, I'm not doing this. This is my party. I'm not doing this housewife bullshit at my party. She came over, broke the ice, stopped the vibe.

Said, hey, let's have some fun. Now, could Rachel have included Sutton and said, hey, you know, after she said to her, let's go dance, let's get a drink. Could she have said it to her? Yes. And I also, saw a post, I forget the girl's name, I'll have to look it up, but she was saying like, you know, there's a little bit of Sutton, I think probably always grew up as like the kind of like dorky girl a little bit. And Rachel Zoe.

Kelli (07:36.786)
Let's go dance.

Wendy (07:38.478)
Let's go dance. Right. Let's go dance.

Lori (07:58.755)
is like the popular girl in high school. She is the ultimate cool girl. And now here's the cool girl sitting next to somebody you're not getting along with. And they're like, ha ha ha ha. So, you know what I mean? But you can't.

Kelli (08:00.572)
Cool girl.

Lori (08:14.702)
I don't know. just think it was just, it was all high, it's all high school. I can't take

Kelli (08:18.682)
I think Sutton made a bad move because Dorit said she and Sutton are finally in a good place and now she's gonna throw it out the window just to get Kyle's approval and I think that that's exactly what's going on. I think and I've said it for years since Sutton's been on the show, she is desperate to be accepted by the Richards sister. doesn't matter that she's getting $300,000 a month from her ex-husband. She will never have to worry about money for the rest of her life. She can do.

buy, see, go, wherever, whatever she wants. She is desperate for these women's approval and it's very sad. So that checks out. She probably was kind of like a nerdy dorky kid, you know? I wasn't popular, so I feel like I have the right to say that. But you know what I mean? And she is like saying to Dorit, you owe Kyle an apology. No, she does not. Right.

Wendy (09:08.62)
Yeah, I mean I get that.

Lori (09:14.042)
Like, why are you getting into business? Why are you getting it unless you want to have your little housewife moment, you want to do your housewife thing? And Dorit was just like, nope.

Kelli (09:24.22)
Right.

Kelli (09:27.634)
And just the way Sutton got up to leave and Kyle goes running after her to console her, like she was doing your job. She was doing a job for you, Kyle, just the way you ran over there. She was 100 % doing a job for you. Kyle's got this all locked down. She's got it all figured out.

Lori (09:51.909)
And I'm not saying like, think Dorit is awesome. Do I think when Sutton went up to her and tried to speak to her again, do I think Dorit was rude? Yeah, yeah. She was rude. And okay. You know what I mean?

Wendy (09:52.664)
Well, I'm.

Kelli (10:03.204)
Yeah, she was. She was.

Lori (10:12.937)
It's a lot. This show's a lot.

Kelli (10:14.288)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (10:15.574)
It is a lot. And I do see what you're saying because when Sutton got up and said she was leaving, like she's not having fun and Kyle's like, you haven't, like we haven't even danced yet. And then her and Cathy go inside and sit down and talk to her. And even Cathy's like trying to be like the cheerleader. I do like that Cathy always tries to like, to build people up. I mean, even when she was talking to Dorie, like, you know, she, she wants them to all get along. I really think that that's really what she wants, right? I don't think she wants all this tension and this fighting.

Lori (10:16.56)
to law.

Lori (10:34.16)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (10:42.8)
I think that that's her, I think that she has made that her role on this show. And I think she's good at it because they're going to listen to anybody. They're going to listen to Kathy Hilton.

Lori (10:47.386)
Yeah, she's a good mom. You're right.

Wendy (10:48.974)
Yeah. Right. And she said, like, you know, you are Sutton Brown, like, go back in there and, you're going to go out there and you're going to have fun. Like, just say, you're not getting rid of me. Because she, you know, she started crying when she was in there talking to them. Because, like you said, she was, you know, she wasn't a cool girl. And now she feels like she's really, like, being shut out. And that's when she goes back in there. And that's when Dorit-

is rude to her again. at that point was like, that was her like last straw. She's like, I've tried and you know, what about Natalie doing splits like Kyle? What did you think about that?

Lori (11:17.318)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (11:29.33)
I said don't look now Kyle, Natalie can do splits too on the dance floor. If she put her hair up in a bony tail and started whipping it around, it would have been real awkward.

Lori (11:33.523)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Lori (11:41.944)
Yeah, Aureola. Yeah. So, so far we've got happy endings and splits. I'm like...

Wendy (11:42.508)
Yup.

Wendy (11:49.526)
Yeah, from Natalie, right? Yep.

Lori (11:51.962)
Yep, yep, yep, yep.

Kelli (11:54.756)
Yeah. Yeah.

Lori (11:57.937)
But I mean, I get that Sutton was upset about her son and everything.

Kelli (12:02.268)
That's what it comes down to though. She's sad she's alone and I don't blame her.

Lori (12:04.774)
Right, if you don't, I don't see you calling Dorit up on the phone and telling her that so she would know. Everybody's not a mind reader, you know what I mean? It's just so much miscommunication. I'm sure that's the show's supposed to be, but it gets aggravating.

Wendy (12:20.567)
No, I-

Kelli (12:24.284)
Well, but the bottom line is...

It's not in telling Dorit that she owes Kyle an apology. It's a joke. She doesn't owe Kyle an apology because she didn't call her. Why? Because she's Kyle Richards? Like they're not in a good place. And maybe she's not sorry. Right? And maybe she's not sorry. She said what she said to Kyle. Kyle said what she said to Dorit.

Lori (12:40.869)
she didn't call her because they're in an argument.

Wendy (12:48.845)
Yeah.

Lori (12:49.702)
Yeah, and what's it you, Why are you getting in somebody else's business?

Wendy (12:54.402)
Right. Now she shouldn't have, she should have not gotten involved. And you know, when she did go up to Dorit and told her that, you know, she hurt her feelings, Dorit, you know, she did apologize and you know, she's like, you know, I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings. And then Sutton's like, well, are you? Because honestly, it did seem flippant. It didn't seem like a sincere apology.

Kelli (13:15.258)
absolutely.

Lori (13:16.528)
No, absolutely, yeah.

Kelli (13:20.658)
And Sutton says Dorit lost her mind, but I don't think Dorit lost her mind. I think she's seeing what's going on. She sees that Kyle, Sutton, and really Erica are kind of doing Kyle's dirty work. It's Housewives 101. They're falling in line as soldiers. We've seen it plenty of times with other Housewives shows. And I think Dorit sees it and she's like, yep, I'm not playing anymore.

Wendy (13:20.808)
Kelli (13:50.566)
I'm not doing it.

Wendy (13:52.172)
Yeah.

Kelli (13:53.681)
I mean, I think that Dorique has her insufferable moments. Don't get me wrong. I'm not a huge fan. I'm just saying in this situation, you know.

Lori (13:57.413)
absolutely, absolutely. yeah.

Wendy (14:03.884)
It's so interesting. Have you watched the after show? Beverly Hills. So the most recent, the two most recent ones were in October of 2025. know, Dorit says that she thinks that PK does not want a divorce.

Lori (14:06.916)
Yeah, I did watch.

Kelli (14:22.022)
Really?

Wendy (14:23.598)
Yes. And I'm like, are we seeing the same thing? I mean, that's recent. I feel like that's pretty recent, right? And even Kyle.

Kelli (14:32.426)
Is she saying that because of financial reasons or like not that he wants her back, right?

Wendy (14:37.11)
I don't know. I don't know. then they're talking to Erica about it. Erica says, she wrote a book called Unburdened. She's talking about PK. She doesn't want him back. And then Kyle says on the same after show, I think she actually is burdened. I don't think that she's unburdened. And then she went on to say, well, there was a time when Mo said,

that PK did want her back, but I don't know if that's still true. So I think that's

Kelli (15:14.47)
I really don't like that Kyle and Mo are, especially in their own situation, even commenting on it. I I understand Kyle's commenting on it because they're doing an after show and that's her co-star. I get that, but her bringing up what Mo says, that PK says, this is part of the mess. This is why you're fighting with your friend. Yeah.

Wendy (15:34.99)
Oh, definitely. It definitely is. It is part of the mess, but I was shocked that really, don't know if that's, I don't get it. I don't get it. I can't see that PK would not want to get divorced after everything he's done to her and the way he's treated her. why? Why? Like I don't get it. I don't get it.

Kelli (15:56.145)
I know. I mean, financial reasons could be why. She's making money. She's got a book coming out. Yeah.

Lori (15:57.873)
Hey, maybe it's finance, maybe it's financial reasons, maybe.

There's all kinds of goings on, you know? Maybe there's certain skeletons he don't want shaken out at the moment. Like, who knows?

Wendy (16:15.352)
I mean, that's possible. I just was very surprised to hear that on the after show. I was surprised to hear that. But we do see Sutton.

Lori (16:16.678)
Who knows? Yeah, that is surprising.

Kelli (16:21.98)
By the way, did send Kathy a direct message on Instagram asking her what that lipstick was that Kyle was wearing. But this is what I got back. So I don't think we're gonna get an answer because I got back, this account can't receive your message because they don't allow new message requests from everyone.

Lori (16:29.144)
okay, good. Good, good, good.

Lori (16:44.208)
okay.

Wendy (16:45.422)
No, but maybe we can ask Reality Runway if they know, if they can help us find that out.

Kelli (16:45.926)
So I don't know.

Lori (16:48.197)
Yeah.

Kelli (16:48.946)
great idea. Great idea.

Wendy (16:55.694)
So Sutton FaceTimes with Reba and she's talking to her about what happened with her and Dorit and you know she's invited to this party and she's really upset and she doesn't want to go and Reba's like, so don't go. You don't want to go? Don't go. Listen, I like that she's on good terms with her mom. I like seeing her relationship kind of changing and evolving with her mom because honestly, right now that's who she's got.

because her kids are all out of the house, right? And I think it's important that she keeps this relationship with her mother strong.

Lori (17:25.318)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Lori (17:34.138)
I think it was funny how the mother said, are your feelings that shallow?

Kelli (17:34.492)
You know, I felt... go ahead.

Wendy (17:39.766)
Yeah.

Kelli (17:40.869)
I feel like Sutton was like baiting her mom to say something, not negative about Dorit, but like to agree with her like, yeah, you shouldn't go, you know. And Reba said that after Sutton's father died, she was very upset and that might be where Dorit is in life. Like I feel like Sutton was trying to get Reba on the Dorit hate train and she was not falling for it at all. But she's a therapist, she's a trained therapist. So she was treating it like that.

Lori (17:56.912)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (18:03.59)
Right,

Wendy (18:04.95)
right. She's a therapist.

Kelli (18:09.158)
which, and I feel bad for Sutton for being alone. I mean, first of all, I don't think she wanted her divorce, obviously, and now all her kids are out of the house like that. She's not even processed not having a husband anymore and now she's gotta process this. So I actually hope Sutton meets somebody. She should get on Raya, right? Isn't that where the rich men are?

Lori (18:09.542)
you

Lori (18:32.464)
But listen, this is the thing. You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar.

Wendy (18:33.12)
I hope so. Yeah.

Kelli (18:38.448)
Yes. Right. I think she needs to get over her divorce before she really tries to find somebody. Cause I feel like she's still hung up on it.

Lori (18:46.886)
But the bottom line with anybody is you're never going to be happy with anybody else if you're not happy with yourself. Sutton needs to fall in love with Sutton and be okay with whatever Sutton is. Wherever Sutton is right now, she needs to be okay with that and she needs to like it and she needs to like herself and be happy with herself and not need anybody's approval or anything. And then...

you can have other relationships with other people. But if you don't have that, it doesn't work.

Wendy (19:24.75)
I think Sutton definitely needs therapy and not her mother. I think she needs to get her own therapist and really process it. mean, she did say she's so glad that she started her business six years ago because she still has that, you know.

Kelli (19:24.818)
You're absolutely right.

Kelli (19:32.135)
Yeah.

Lori (19:36.806)
Mm-hmm. And now, too, she doesn't have Garcelle either. So there's another loss. There's no Avi.

Kelli (19:43.536)
Not only does she not have Garcelle, but she completely damaged that friendship. She'll never have Garcelle again.

Lori (19:50.031)
Right. Right. And there's no Avi. So there's she does have a lot of things going on, but you can't make you can't put all that on somebody else who's in their own fucked up, didn't this like you can't. What do you what do you.

Kelli (20:04.178)
Yeah, like, I just feel like Erica got way more grace with what she was going through when she was going through what she went through in the beginning.

Lori (20:13.72)
And she, and she, and I didn't even watch the show, but I have seen, she, I think, was like a viper, like super nasty. I mean, Dorit's been rude and, and, you know, just not receptive and not taking anybody's not, you know, but from things I've seen, like I said, not even watching the show, she was vicious.

Kelli (20:23.442)
Horrible horrible Yes

Kelli (20:43.378)
She told Garcelle's 13 year old son to get the F out of here or something like that. And then she asked her older son Oliver, who is very handsome by the way, if he wanted to have a threesome with her and his partner. She was wild. She was wild. And then had to do a whole redemption season afterwards.

Lori (20:43.759)
So like.

Lori (20:48.91)
Yeah, yeah, something. Yeah, yeah. Remember that.

Lori (20:59.952)
Right. She was like, right, wild out of control.

Kelli (21:07.654)
Like I agree with you, think Dorit, know, listen, Dorit was always one to make everything about herself. They all make everything about themselves. That's why they're housewives. Dorit takes it to another level, but this is a nasty divorce. And Mo and Kyle can be the best of friends with PK. He's still a manipulative guy. Like we see it, we know it. So.

Lori (21:19.365)
Right.

Kelli (21:33.124)
It's not like she's gonna have an amicable, easy divorce. This is gonna be a long road for her. And he's not even helping with the kids. He's a Disney dad.

Wendy (21:44.706)
No, I agree. Yeah, I agree. I agree. The next thing we see is Erica goes over to Rachel's house the day after the birthday party and Erica dressed in that head to toe red pantsuit was amazing. Like not everyone can pull that off, but boys, she, and then even Rachel in her black with the black leather jacket, the two of them looked.

Lori (21:45.921)
Disney, dad. Absolutely.

Kelli (21:51.034)
I... No, go ahead, go ahead.

Lori (22:02.341)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (22:02.374)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (22:10.368)
amazing like they needed to be going someplace else besides her couch in those outfits to be honest with you. I was like you're wasting this for the couch.

Lori (22:11.288)
absolutely. Yes. Yes. Yes. Somewhere besides us. Right.

Kelli (22:14.0)
I know.

Kelli (22:19.046)
But when Rachel said that her eye glitter eyeshadow was still on from last, I guess the night before was her party, they clearly were both hung over, as they should be.

Lori (22:25.359)
Yeah, yeah.

Wendy (22:27.5)
Yeah, they looked amazing though.

Lori (22:28.678)
Yeah, that was good.

Kelli (22:30.47)
They looked amazing.

Wendy (22:34.114)
But what Rachel's talking about is, know, because she's going through this thing with Roger, like her situation is completely different because she doesn't have to worry about money because she is financially set herself. Like she doesn't have to, she doesn't have the same struggles that Dorit has.

Lori (22:46.746)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (22:50.064)
And she's not gonna worry about where Dorit's getting her money to shop. Like, she shops with people who can afford to shop. So it's not like she's gonna look at Dorit and be like, I don't know if you should be doing that. Like, what does she care? She just goes shopping with her friends who can shop like she does.

Wendy (23:02.614)
Right, right.

Lori (23:06.374)
So let me ask you this.

If Kyle was so concerned...

Lori (23:17.926)
Why wouldn't you go to the party? Like that's been your whole thing that you're so concerned about her behavior and her spending. Okay, so you're concerned about her spending, but you wouldn't go and show your face for five minutes so that maybe she could have some financial security. So you're not making any sense. Because it's really not about that. It's not really about that.

Kelli (23:36.336)
Right, to support her.

That's what I mean. was BS that Kyle didn't Nope. It wasn't about that. Nope.

Wendy (23:50.082)
then we see Bose and Lael are going to dinner for their, mommy daughter, Dee. And they get there and they, obviously they see that, well, Bose sees that, you know, Keely's there and his whole family's there and her whole family's there. And she starts crying and.

He proposes, which is, her ring was gorgeous. Her ring, absolutely gorgeous.

I found out about that ring also.

Kelli (24:22.994)
Did you guys, okay, did you guys notice? At the end, Keeley's mom comes over and gives her a big hug, but as he's doing the whole ring thing, they flash to Keeley's mom and she gives some mad side eye.

Lori (24:39.11)
I did give her some weird looks.

Wendy (24:39.168)
I did not see that.

Kelli (24:42.672)
Yeah Yeah But then at the end she went over and gave her a hug and was like lovey-dovey so

Lori (24:47.054)
Yeah, I did.

Wendy (24:47.498)
I did not see that.

Lori (24:52.294)
All right.

Wendy (24:54.508)
I did not see that, on the after show she was talking about the ring. So he bought that ring in India. Now he had never been to India before in his life and they had been traveling together over the summer and then he said he was gonna stay in Europe. And then all of a sudden she found out he was in India. He said, I'm going to India. She's like, and he would only call me when he was at the hotel which I did think was a little odd.

She said, "'Cause he knows my connection with like jewelry and India." And then she talks about these two rings that she has. She had one ring on her finger that's like an eternity ring that she bought for herself after her husband had passed. And then she said she was in India for Priyanka Chopra's wedding to Joe Jonas. And the ring designer that did her ring

was so beautiful that Bose sat with her and she designed a ring for Bose. And that was the other ring that she wears. And both of the rings that she wears every day are from India. So he went to India, I assumed to that same jewelry designer, to get a ring for her. I mean, that takes like thoughtful, like to a whole other level. I thought, I was like very surprised to hear that.

Kelli (26:14.321)
Yeah.

Kelli (26:17.692)
Yeah. Yeah.

Lori (26:20.74)
Yeah, I wish her all the happiness in the world.

Kelli (26:23.31)
Absolutely. I thought that whole engagement was very staged, but I'm here for it I'm very happy for her. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. But it was nice and I'm happy for her. If that's who she wants to be with, God bless.

Lori (26:27.896)
yeah, we'll stay, of course, come on. Right. Yeah, yeah, no. Yeah, no.

Wendy (26:29.39)
It was definitely staged. mean, how else are you going to catch it on camera? We had to get that on camera. It was definitely staged.

Wendy (26:41.806)
She's also still doing the fertility as of October of 2025 when she was doing the after show. She's still doing it, which she said there's gonna be a time where I'm gonna have to stop and look at my other options. And Rachel says, your body will tell you. She's like, well, yeah, I mean, it's been over a year now. So I imagine at this point, she's not still doing it, but maybe we'll find out at the reunion, right?

Lori (27:07.024)
Mmm.

Kelli (27:07.463)
Yeah.

Kelli (27:15.772)
We get a two second scene with Kyle and her daughters. Two seconds.

Wendy (27:15.906)
Thank you.

Lori (27:15.919)
Okay, there is.

Wendy (27:19.373)
huh.

Lori (27:20.198)
Okay, okay. Wait a second. She's in her kitchen. She has the mask on.

Wendy (27:23.512)
Okay.

Lori (27:28.464)
Don't put a mask on with those lips. looked really, it looked really weird. Because she had the whole mask on her face and then her lips were just like...

Lori (27:41.847)
My husband was my husband was watching the TV and he was like, whoa, whoa, whoa

Kelli (27:42.002)
She probably just got them plumped up.

Kelli (27:46.928)
Ha ha ha!

Lori (27:49.519)
What's going on with her lips? They just looked really, it just looked really odd. Yes, because the whole, she had like the white mask on it, all you could see were the lips.

Kelli (27:50.002)
That's funny.

Kelli (27:54.876)
Turkish?

Kelli (27:59.837)
Yeah. Have you guys ever tried those collagen masks that melt into your face overnight? So I have done it and I thought it worked. I thought it did great, but Tess said that it's all BS. The collagen doesn't really soak into you. Who knows, but yeah.

Wendy (28:02.19)
actually didn't think it...

Lori (28:06.53)
No, I want to.

Lori (28:17.346)
Yes,

Right, who knows,

Wendy (28:23.854)
What she said it was like a whale sperm mask or something. Didn't she say that?

Kelli (28:27.214)
I thought she had done that and then this, I could be wrong. I thought she said that she had done that and then this was one of those collagen masks. But I could be wrong. Maybe it just looked like one of those collagen masks.

Lori (28:30.822)
I don't know.

Wendy (28:33.102)
Oh maybe, I know but I-

I was surprised that her daughter is getting married in four days, that the wedding was four days away. Like, that's right around the corner.

Lori (28:40.09)
just looked odd.

Lori (28:46.82)
Yeah, that's right.

Wendy (28:49.294)
But she says she's gonna text Dory and let her know that she's not gonna be able to make it to the...

Kelli (28:57.234)
Well, her assistant comes in and the first thing Kyle says is she's not going to Dorit's event. She physically cannot not talk about Dorit. Like your daughter's getting married in four days, your assistant's coming in, clearly you have other things to discuss. That's what you bring up first. I mean, I know the party was that night, but it's like she physically can't not talk about Dorit. This is Kyle's storyline this year because she refuses to share anything about her real

Wendy (29:30.734)
Well, then we see Amanda talking to her husband or fiance, and she's talking about how she doesn't really feel obligated to go to the, you know, she doesn't want to go. But, you know, she's like, I'm going to go, you know, if I don't, if I don't like the vibes and I feel weird, then I'm going to leave. Which honestly, I think was the right answer. I think that was the right answer.

Kelli (29:31.376)
Get, get rid of her.

Lori (29:33.414)
you

Kelli (29:51.794)
I mean.

Lori (29:52.614)
That's what I'm saying.

Kelli (29:54.739)
sure that's women supporting women.

Lori (29:58.641)
There you go.

Wendy (30:00.27)
I think that was the right thing to do. I do. I do.

Kelli (30:02.416)
And if anybody had any reason to not go, it would be Amanda because of what's going on between she and Dorit this season. And even she went.

Lori (30:06.687)
I end out right?

Wendy (30:10.198)
Absolutely.

Lori (30:10.342)
All right. Who is she like?

Wendy (30:16.078)
then we see, what do we see?

Kelli (30:21.052)
Sutton calls Bo's to tell her she's not going.

Wendy (30:21.666)
Boze is getting, yeah, right. I thought that was weird. Like why did she call Boze to tell her that she wasn't going?

Lori (30:30.106)
Yeah, it's weird. Stop it.

Wendy (30:32.994)
Right? Like, what did she think Bose was going to say? It's okay, don't go?

Lori (30:35.416)
All right.

Kelli (30:36.57)
Right, why didn't you call Doreen and tell her you weren't going?

Lori (30:39.75)
And I just thought it was really weird the way Erica had the conversation with Rachel. Basically, you look at that conversation and then you're like, okay, so Erica's just gonna go according to that conversation. And then all of sudden she's showing up at Sutton's and she's like, nope, I'm not going, I'm not calling, I'm not doing nothing. I'm like, okay.

Kelli (31:02.748)
Yeah, because she even said to Rachel at Rachel's house like, well, I will, I will call her. I will let her.

Wendy (31:10.444)
Yeah, I'm surprised that she, first of all, just showed up at Sutton's house and second of all, did not even call her or text her or anything. Like that's just, that's ridiculous. I think that's ridiculous. I also will have to say that I really did not like Dorit's oversized white suit for her party. I don't, I don't like, she's so tiny.

Lori (31:28.462)
No, no, no, and she got great clothes. Yeah.

Wendy (31:32.416)
She's so tiny, she's got such a great figure, and even like that cover where she was trying to do with the oversized brown suit, she should not be wearing any oversized suits. Right?

Lori (31:41.796)
No, no.

Kelli (31:42.642)
She just, she she gets lost in it.

Lori (31:45.392)
Yeah, no, it's like, don't dress in your dad's clothes. And it's, no, it's very counterproductive to what she's trying to put out there. Like, you're trying to sell a book that says you're unburdened, but yet you're walking around in an oversized man suit that's doing nothing for you and looks big. It just, it's weird.

Wendy (31:45.826)
Yes! Yeah.

Kelli (31:49.66)
Bye.

Wendy (31:49.9)
Yeah, it's not a good look for her.

Lori (32:14.191)
It's just, it's not working for what she wants to do. You know I'm trying to say?

Kelli (32:17.778)
Yeah. Yes.

Wendy (32:19.244)
No, I totally hear you. mean, it's the exact same thing. I was like, this is not like, you have such good fashion sometimes, but other times it's like, it's either a complete hit or a complete miss. I feel like she doesn't have a middle ground.

Lori (32:23.641)
Mm-mm. Yeah.

Lori (32:30.491)
math.

Kelli (32:32.046)
No, she doesn't. The hood with the squiggy piece of hair. That was horrible.

Wendy (32:35.84)
Yeah, did not like that either. No, no. So Rachel shows up with her Chanel bag that says, not disturb. Did you see that? I know. I know.

Lori (32:35.949)
that was horrible. was a mess.

Kelli (32:38.746)
No. Do you guys, yeah, yeah. I don't understand this.

Lori (32:47.557)
I love that bag. I love that bag. Loved it.

Kelli (32:49.404)
Yeah. Great bag. Great bag.

Lori (32:54.225)
It is the best.

Wendy (32:59.352)
So Rachel starts talking about what just happened about her birthday. And Roger's girlfriend's birthday is three days later. And he did this birthday message to her. And he posted, happy birthday to my love, and how that was so horrible. Well, I don't know if you saw on social media that she entered the chat, the girlfriend. Did you see that?

Kelli (33:23.66)
I didn't. But I didn't understand why Rachel was so jacked up about this. I mean, you know he's dating her. He wants to introduce her to your kids, whether you agree with that or not. He's clearly in love with this woman. He's going to put, if he's a poster, he's gonna put a post up saying, happy birthday, my love. I don't know why this is so shocking to you or anybody sending you the screenshots.

Lori (33:35.388)
Right.

Lori (33:40.648)
He's gonna post. Right. And I feel like, right. And I feel like he's gonna do that and if it's gonna piss you off, well then all more than better. You know what I mean? He's gonna like, you know, put the heart emoji. Like he's gonna...

Wendy (33:47.852)
Right. No, I agree.

Kelli (33:56.689)
he's going do it five times more. Absolutely.

Kelli (34:05.618)
You just shut up.

Lori (34:06.639)
Yeah, come on.

Wendy (34:07.436)
Yeah, yeah, so she entered the chat. She said her birthday is not three days after hers, it's one day after hers.

Kelli (34:08.722)
So what'd the girlfriends say?

Lori (34:15.911)
Keep it worse.

Kelli (34:16.786)
But I will tell you this, I thought at one point Rachel said her birthday is the next day, and then in another thing she said a couple of days later.

Wendy (34:29.528)
thought the same thing, to be quite honest with you. I thought the exact same thing. But then I saw that post and I was like, okay, that's interesting. But then she went on to say, is, you know, she knows who we, this has been going on. She knew about this. The kids had all known. Like she's giving her side of the story, which is totally different than Rachel's. She's saying this is Rachel's whole storyline. Stop talking about it. You yourself said you didn't want to be married to him. Like just kind of.

Kelli (34:31.203)
Absolutely.

Wendy (34:57.358)
putting it out there and I was like, I just kind of thought it was funny.

Kelli (35:00.326)
Yeah.

Lori (35:01.443)
Again, again, that's a weird to me. That's a weird thing to do. I am not a social media person. So to me, that's like, that's weird. That's weird to do. Yes, it's weird. Like just be you and go about your business and don't don't engage like don't

Wendy (35:12.494)
for her to respond?

Well.

Kelli (35:16.142)
I mean, listen, I probably...

Kelli (35:21.116)
Well, if somebody's putting a false narrative, it's hard enough when somebody puts a false narrative out about you when you're not a public figure, but when somebody is a public figure and they're doing that on national television, you might wanna defend yourself. So as long as she kept it factual and didn't make it dirty,

Lori (35:38.715)
Maybe.

Wendy (35:38.752)
I agree. mean, yeah, she didn't. No, she didn't. She didn't. She didn't. And I looked at her. I looked at her to see like, you know, like what does she look like? She's a very pretty blonde. She just looks like, be honest with you, a younger Rachel. And she also clarified that she's not a stylist. She is a business woman. And I look, she has her own like line of

Kelli (35:46.63)
Yeah, listen, I...

Wendy (36:07.82)
like fashion, she hires stylists, but she's not a stylist.

Kelli (36:12.562)
See, because that's the thing. The more negative things Rachel says about this woman online, on TV, Wendy was able to find her and find out what business she was in, I'm sure within a matter of less than five minutes. This could be damaging to this woman's business. This is what happens with fans of these shows, not us, but some of these fans go crazy and then they start, you know, disparaging businesses. And this is...

Wendy (36:18.518)
Right. Right.

Lori (36:29.019)
There you go.

Wendy (36:33.656)
Right.

Kelli (36:41.906)
This is her livelihood. I'm sorry that your husband left you, and I love Rachel, but I'm sorry your husband left you. I'm sorry he found somebody else. But by you putting false narratives out there, you could damage her business and her livelihood. And that's not right. She didn't sign up to be on the show, you did.

Wendy (37:01.632)
And right, we only have Rachel's side of the story. And the fact that we even see her kids means her husband had to sign off on that. So she really better watch it. She really better watch it.

Kelli (37:09.938)
Great.

Lori (37:09.948)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (37:12.698)
Right, right. Because next season could be a whole different ball game. And one of the likable things about her are the scenes with her children. And he could very easily take that away.

Wendy (37:17.944)
Right.

Wendy (37:23.852)
Yes.

Wendy (37:28.098)
Yes he could. He could. Jennifer Tilly shows up looking chic with the champagne glasses all over her, I love Jennifer Tilly, all over her dress.

Kelli (37:39.666)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (37:40.465)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (37:44.972)
She

Dorit starts talking about, you know, that Kyle's not coming, Sutton's not coming, and that Sutton sent the text message 30 minutes after the party started. Well, that would have been when you were showing up anyway, Dorit, because you are always late, so I'll give her that.

Lori (38:07.513)
Yeah, right. It was right on time. It right on time. And it was nice. It was nice that Tilly was speaking nicely about Dorit to her publishers. But she's just awesome like that. I saw she broke her pocketbook, though. Her like 40 her $40,000 like bear crystal bear pocketbook. Yeah.

Kelli (38:08.262)
Right. Right.

Wendy (38:26.488)
She did?

Lori (38:32.967)
I don't know what happened during the party. Maybe it was from the coming attractions or something online. Yeah, she breaks her fuck a book. Beer, yeah.

Wendy (38:38.67)
Wendy (38:44.8)
And Natalie was sick, so Natalie wasn't there, but nobody missed Natalie. We don't even know Natalie. I don't even know why Natalie's there.

Lori (38:48.551)
Yeah, no, no.

Kelli (38:50.939)
I didn't even realize Natalie wasn't there.

Lori (38:53.349)
Yeah. And Amanda's really not getting any screen time.

Kelli (39:00.506)
No, she's not, right.

Lori (39:01.255)
She's not.

Kelli (39:04.156)
So who was all there? it was, so Cathy went, Cathy, Tilly, Amanda, Boze, Rachel.

Wendy (39:09.528)
Jennifer Tilly.

Lori (39:12.508)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (39:13.09)
Yes. Yes.

Lori (39:17.199)
And it was kind of weird to have a book party with no book.

Wendy (39:23.266)
Yeah, I don't even know if she wrote the book yet. I still don't know if the book's written.

Lori (39:24.039)
This is weird. I don't think she did. I did not think she did. No, it's just weird. It's just a little weird.

Kelli (39:27.706)
I doubt you did.

Wendy (39:28.91)
I don't think she did either. Because honestly, she's saying, first of all, it's called unbothered, right? Her story is not told yet. She's still in the midst of it. How are you going to write a book about your life when you're still in the midst of it? Like, it doesn't even make sense.

Lori (39:36.455)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (39:41.958)
Right, saying you're unbothered.

Lori (39:46.937)
A divorce. No, doesn't make sense. No, it doesn't make sense. Of course not. It doesn't make sense.

Kelli (39:52.324)
It does not make sense.

Lori (39:54.939)
But I thought that was weird. was like, hey.

Wendy (39:56.43)
I mean, Boz said that she's gonna get the book, she's gonna pre-order the book, and she's going to buy the audio book, because Dorit's gonna be doing the audio book, and she's gonna read along with it while she listens to Dorit reading it. I was like, okay, Boz, you're really gonna be supporting her. And they also talked about the wedding. They talked about the wedding, Boz's wedding on the after show, and the producer said, are all the ladies gonna be invited?

Lori (40:12.699)
That's a lot.

Kelli (40:15.708)
his ride or die that post.

Wendy (40:24.854)
And Bo said, well, we'll see who I'm talking to at the time. And Jareed's like, well, I'm coming. And Rachel's like.

Lori (40:27.879)
You know, so I just like, we'll see who I like.

Wendy (40:31.776)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (40:33.66)
So I'm assuming that Dorit was not at Kyle's daughter's wedding.

Wendy (40:39.116)
I would assume not too, I don't know though.

Kelli (40:42.042)
It's interesting though, if they were filming, you would think that they would all be invited, but I wonder if, I don't think we're gonna say it. That's from what I've heard from other podcasts, we're not gonna say the wedding, but we'll see. I mean, who knows? I think I heard it from Heather McDonald though, and she, feel like she would know. She said the season, I don't think she, she wasn't at the wedding, but she was at the party at Kathy Hilton's house that does become the season finale.

Wendy (41:00.834)
Was she at the wedding? Was Heather McDonald at the?

Kelli (41:10.48)
That was what I gathered from the podcast. But we'll see. they, you know, they change, they could change things at any minute. If they film, they have the footage, so.

Lori (41:12.002)
Yeah, okay.

Lori (41:18.993)
Right. Yeah. So we'll see.

Wendy (41:21.356)
Yeah, we will see.

Wendy (41:25.484)
I don't know.

It's getting a little bit old.

Lori (41:30.191)
It's a lot. It's a lot.

Kelli (41:31.454)
It's got, the season has to end. And if we get a three, I mean, I'm sure it's gonna be a three-part reunion, but really, what are we gonna talk about for three episodes? I mean, it was the Dorit and Amanda thing, and then the Kyle and Dorit thing. What else do we have? We have nothing else. Yeah, but it's like, you know, exactly, like.

Lori (41:37.255)
the pain, the pain.

Wendy (41:42.317)
I don't know.

Lori (41:49.307)
You're eating there, good thing.

dream something.

Kelli (41:57.638)
What do we have? I don't think we have three episodes worth of reunion to film.

Lori (42:04.071)
We got, you know what we got? We got a whole lot of like early high school. That's what we got. Early high school. Yeah.

Wendy (42:04.93)
I don't know.

Kelli (42:09.318)
Yeah, exactly. We got a whole lot of Mean Girl, Pylon, Soldiers.

Lori (42:16.382)
Mm-hmm. I mean, even from the beginning, I didn't really agree with the whole Amanda pylon either. I mean, not that I'm a great fan of hers, but I thought that that was all messy too. I was like, are we doing here?

Kelli (42:23.427)
I agree. think that

Kelli (42:28.304)
Mm-hmm. Right.

Lori (42:31.345)
Go on.

Wendy (42:33.358)
All right, we'll have to wait and see what happens.

Kelli (42:33.948)
Yeah. Yep.

Lori (42:36.185)
Yeah, you could tell how thrilled I am.

Wendy (42:37.814)
I mean, they still didn't say season finale. Like, why didn't they say the season finale?

Kelli (42:41.094)
They still didn't say it. They didn't say it.

Lori (42:42.063)
to be continued.

Wendy (42:45.42)
that like I want to know I want to know what's going on

Kelli (42:47.726)
End it. End it, Bravo. End it.

Lori (42:49.169)
You're ended. Ended. Yes. Yes, ended. Shut it down.

Kelli (42:53.82)
Shut it down. We're done.

Wendy (42:57.57)
Alright, so until next time, thank you for watching and listening. Please subscribe and give us five star reviews. Bye.

Kelli (43:04.892)
Bye.

Lori (43:05.939)
Bye.